Weapon questions about british pathfinders and police

[psychonana]

British pathfinders are issued M16?:-(
and:oops:
Police in UK still uses high power? What the holster are they issued?

GREAT THANKSwoot

[BiZ]

British pathfinders are issued M16?:-(
and:oops:
Police in UK still uses high power? What the holster are they issued?

GREAT THANKSwoot


Mate one of the Poms will better answer this, but I think you'll find that most UK Police Forces issue Glocks in 9mm.

[Chops]

Not that I'm a Pom but...

I don't believe any forces still issue the BHP- London Met use the Glocks (17s last time I was there) as do Norwich (the two forces I'm most familiar with). Odd one out was Manchester (IIRC) with the Walther P99- someone must have needed to justify a budget! So yes Glocks are the general rule of thumb. RUC used to use Ruger revolvers (Security Six .357s IIRC?) but have gone over to the wondernines. Can't remember many others.

Pathfinders? C7s I believe (Canuck version of the A2) these days.

cheers, C

EDIT- Suffolk used the G17 from memory too

[martinexsquaddie]

police more or less all use glocks
pathfinders have the candaian m16 not sure if its the bog standard or the extra special special forces race turned one thats way better

[Beer Monster]

Not that I'm a Pom but...

I don't believe any forces still issue the BHP- London Met use the Glocks (17s last time I was there) as do Norwich (the two forces I'm most familiar with). Odd one out was Manchester (IIRC) with the Walther P99- someone must have needed to justify a budget! So yes Glocks are the general rule of thumb. RUC used to use Ruger revolvers (Security Six .357s IIRC?) but have gone over to the wondernines. Can't remember many others.

Pathfinders? C7s I believe (Canuck version of the A2) these days.

cheers, C

EDIT- Suffolk used the G17 from memory too

Yeah I think your're right. G17 and I still belive there are a few S&W .38 Model 10's kicking about too. MOD Police use Hi Powers and MP7s (http://www.mod.uk/dpa/news/pn2005/mar05/mdp.htm).

And as Chops said Pathfinders use C7 (link to pic (http://www.sasrogues.co.uk/Weapons/Assault/DiemacoC7/Pathfinder6.jpg)).

[Hydro]

I believe Kent Police issue Sig's...226 and 228's.

[Swedish Chef]

Some use S&W 9mm too.

[Para]

British Parachute Regiment Pathfinders use the Standard SA80-2.

[babydave]

virtually all police use glocks, some constabularies have different procurement strategies e.g. manchester have some more 'exotic' stuff, i think i saw cornwall police with steyr augs too.

as for the paras they are standard issued sa80's but as with marines ive seen some pictures of them with the odd m16....anyone know why you get random weapons issued unless they stole/borrowed them?!

[East Scout]

Why the C7 and not the M16?

[Arty]

Correct me if I'm wrong but British and European agencies in general prefer 9mms but in hollow point form instead of a .40

[Name Taken]

The Royal Marines that use the M16/C7 are the Recon Troop

[Royal]

The Royal Marines that use the M16/C7 are the Recon Troop

Are they indeed?

Get your facts right.

We don't have Recon anythings in the Royal Marines. We have Recce Troops, The Brigade Patrol Troop, The Brigade Recce Force, assorted Assualt Squadrons, Standby Troop and a few other bits and pieces - all use the C7 on occasion.

[baboon6]

Am I correct in saying the Brigade Recce Force is made up of the following (plus or minus depending on the situation):

Brigade Patrol Troop
Recce Troop from 59 Indep Cdo Sqn RE
Recce Troops from each Commando (3 in all- could have 0 to 3 under command)
1 or more teams from 148 Cdo Forward Observation Batt RA

[Loug]

British Parachute Regiment Pathfinders use the Standard SA80-2.
i have to contradict to you: the Pathfinders use a variety of equipment to preform their job. First, the standard British Army issued SA-80 and the heavier LSW version of the weapon are usually not desired. They have found that these weapons preform poorly, to say the least, in pretty much every environment that the pathfinders work in. Instead the M-16A2 is the standard rifle for the soldiers. I can also be fitted with the M-203 40mm grenade launcher, which results in a deadly package. The CAR-15 (or Colt Commando as the British call it) is also in limited use, primarily for Op work. The standard 7.62 GPMG (or gimpy as it is known) is the primary support weapon. Although heavy (about 25 pounds), it is a very important weapon as it is normally used as a "suppressive" weapon. The Browning 9mm Hi-Power is their primary side-arm.

[Royal]

i have to contradict to you: the Pathfinders use a variety of equipment to preform their job. First, the standard British Army issued SA-80 and the heavier LSW version of the weapon are usually not desired. They have found that these weapons preform poorly, to say the least, in pretty much every environment that the pathfinders work in. Instead the M-16A2 is the standard rifle for the soldiers. I can also be fitted with the M-203 40mm grenade launcher, which results in a deadly package. The CAR-15 (or Colt Commando as the British call it) is also in limited use, primarily for Op work. The standard 7.62 GPMG (or gimpy as it is known) is the primary support weapon. Although heavy (about 25 pounds), it is a very important weapon as it is normally used as a "suppressive" weapon. The Browning 9mm Hi-Power is their primary side-arm.

And I have to contradict you.

Pathfinder Coy use the L85A2 extensively. They also use the C7. The Colt Commando hasn't been used by anyone in the UK armed forces for the best part of 10 years. M16A2s have been withdrawn throughout the UK armed forces. The UGL used with both the L85 and the C7/8 is the Heckler Koch version , not the 203. The primary support weapon (as you describe it) used by the pathfinders is the Minimi - the GPMG with sufficient ammo for effective supressive fire is too heavy to jump with, Although the GPMG is still available. Pathfinder Coy do not have a 'primary side-arm' - they're not scaled for it. Should they wish such a weapon for a particular role, they would have access to the Glock 17, 19 or the Sig P226 or P229.

[Loug]

can you show me where you have founded these information please? i didn't know that, and i would like to deepen more in this argoment. thank you

[Royal]

Too many years of service and not surfing the net.

Check out a few Airborne websites or speak to some of our Airborne brethren. I'm not going to start posting UK military documents on the web...

[Chops]

can you show me where you have founded these information please? i didn't know that, and i would like to deepen more in this argoment. thank you

Dude, unlike most here, Royal does this **** for real. I really would recommend you 'contribute' to the board with some caution for your first few posts. Your post on kit was pure bollocks I'm afraid to say and your 'authoritive' tone when talking bull**** about gear that you obviously have zero idea about kinda doesn't really endear yourself to the board.

Most of your previous posts seem to revolve around airsoft. Please don't confuse real deal with your little em... hobby.

C

[Loug]

Dude, unlike most here, Royal does this **** for real. I really would recommend you 'contribute' to the board with some caution for your first few posts. Your post on kit was pure bollocks I'm afraid to say and your 'authoritive' tone when talking bull**** about gear that you obviously have zero idea about kinda doesn't really endear yourself to the board.

Most of your previous posts seem to revolve around airsoft. Please don't confuse real deal with your little em... hobby.

C

I've not understood the reason of this post, sorry if the things i wrote was wrong. this is a community where all can say his opinion. I wrote these things because I was sure of theirs veridicity. Yes it's true that i havent got many message in this forum, but this is because im not so shod with english languages, but i considered myself enough expert in this field, obviously not like a military....otherwise, sorry for my presumptuosusness, it will want to say that i'll not post before having 3000 post under my nickname

goodbye and sorry for my english spaghetti style

[Loug]

I'm afraid to say and your 'authoritive' tone when talking bull**** about gear that you obviously have zero idea about kinda doesn't really endear yourself to the board.


last thing, i dont think to have used any "authoritive tone" before....if it is not like i say, sorry.
royal, i didn't want to teach something to you, i wanted only talk about this argoment.

[East Scout]

last thing, i dont think to have used any "authoritive tone" before....if it is not like i say, sorry.
royal, i didn't want to teach something to you, i wanted only talk about this argoment.

Myabe it was just a lack of language skills that caused confusion in the tone....

.

[Loug]

ops, it could be, sorry again

[East Scout]

ops, it could be, sorry again

No harm....No need to be sorry..These lads have a thick skin. Im sure you didnt offend them much..The more you post the better you will become.

I like your avatar..

[Loug]

ok thanks for the sugestion, i like your too ;)

ps. i think we're goin a little OT

[East Scout]

ok thanks for the sugestion, i like your too ;)

ps. i think we're goin a little OT

Im still waiting for an answer to my question as to why they selected the C7 over the M16...:-)

[Royal]

Im still waiting for an answer to my question as to why they selected the C7 over the M16...:-)

Because it's better.

[East Scout]

Because it's better.

<---issues the most blank of blank looks...

[psychonana]

Great THANKSwoot

Does anyone have pics of those police using holster?

[Chops]

@ Loug

Yeah fair enough- twas a little harsh on my part dude <bet folks never thought they'd see me admit that!>. Apologies- we get a lot of people here who speak in very authoritive tones about weapons which the closest they've got to is airsoft.

take care

C

[Jag]

i fhink it is all abaut aur maccheroni inglish:oops:



p.s. sorry for my little ot....and thanks for all your suggestion:hug:



bye Piero

[Loug]

@ Loug

Yeah fair enough- twas a little harsh on my part dude <bet folks never thought they'd see me admit that!>. Apologies- we get a lot of people here who speak in very authoritive tones about weapons which the closest they've got to is airsoft.

take care

C

ok don't worry, all ok now! it's clear that we've had a little incomprehension.Thank you for your Apologies, and sorry again :hug:

[Scottie]

Royal Marines:

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8049/royalmarines39afghanistan1fg.th.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/my.php?image=royalmarines39afghanistan1fg.jpg)

[privatecowboy]

Correct me if I'm wrong but British and European agencies in general prefer 9mms but in hollow point form instead of a .40

More or less but I am aware that the Police Service of Northern Ireland have issued a few specialised units with .40 chambered Glock's.

The units in question carry out surveilance predominatly and were using MP5's and Glock 17 9mm the decison was taken to drop the SMG's and go over to a harder stopping .40 chambered pistol. The reason for this it would seem is that a lot of the work is vehicle based and the SMG's were to impractical for each man to carry.

The feedback is that the .40 round is very well liked particularly amongst officers who formarly used the Ruger 6 and like a heavier round.

Tests are being considered on the .40s potential usage in a wider spectrum but if you ask me it wont happen as they have just spent a fortune rearming and training with the 9mm Glocks.

Regarding the original question I belive the "Mod Plods" Ministry of Defence Police still use the HP as general issue. I have a contact there I can ask about the type of holster on issue.

[Para]

Loug....My old Company is the Pathfinder Company belonging to 1 Para along with the Snipers and Mortars. Now I normally get to visit them, and last time was last year. I was allowed to handle all their equipment and fire it so I think I am in far better postion than you are to say what equipment that they are using.