Mi24 Hind in pics

[Chmiel]

http://www.heliplus.com/mi24.jpg

http://www.ifpa-fly.com/ifpa/images/mi24.jpg

http://naoruzanje.paracin.co.yu/mi24-4.jpg

http://ttjstk.myrice.com/elswq/lj/wzzsj/1/mi24-fly1.jpg

http://airbase.uka.ru/users/varban/files/mi24-stz.jpg

http://ttjstk.myrice.com/elswq/lj/wzzsj/1/mi24-fly2.jpg
polish :D

http://www.wallpaper.net.au/wallpaper/aviation/MI24%20Hind%20-%20800x600.jpg

http://naoruzanje.paracin.co.yu/mi24-5.jpg

http://www.barnstormerscards.com/cardimages/helicopter/Mi24-a.jpg

http://cs21.net/skyphoto/helicopter/mi24-hind-9.jpg

http://www.military.cz/army_cr/modernizace/pics/Mi24.jpg

http://www.lpds.sztaki.hu/~zsnemeth/airshow/szentkiralyszabadja/mi24_3.jpg
Apocalypse Now?

[mustamato]

http://airbase.uka.ru/users/varban/files/mi24-stz.jpg
Badass

And each one of those rockets is like one 81 mm mortar grenade, or more?

[calligula]

Algerian Mi 24 MKIII:
http://membres.lycos.fr/algaf/mi2400047.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/algaf/mi2400052.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/algaf/307.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/algaf/262.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/algaf/mi2400035.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/algaf/mi2400004.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/algaf/mi2400009.jpg

[Ian H]

Nice Hind pics.

I know this sounds wierd, but they are actually quite intimidating. There's one at Duxford, I was looking at something opposite it, I turned round and was stood straight in front of one. I came up to the front cockpit, and all the antennae sticking out and the sheer size of the thing actually made me take a step backwards. Very, very impressive.
(In case you're wondering, Duxford's came from the GDR.)

[Dennis79]

[quote="Chmiel"]
http://www.barnstormerscards.com/cardimages/helicopter/Mi24-a.jpgquote]

Great paint jobhttp://www.ironlife.com/forum/images/smilies/thumb.gif

[serbian boy]

The Hind is still probably the most useful helicopter around, this is mostly because the newest versions have technology comparable to AH-64, it can carry large weapon payload and has armor that can withstand 14.5mm hits in some places plus it can carry 6 fully loaded troops! :D

[MapleLeafInfantry]

ok im super interested in the hind, but I've heard different stories on the amounts of troops it can hold, from a section, to a russian platoon (24?)

Are there any different variants with different capacaties and roles?

thx!
mli

[RomanS]

only 8 my friend

[kutter]

Now this is intimidating!
Algerian Mi-24 upgraded with 20mm cannon and FLIR
http://membres.lycos.fr/algaf/mi2400020.jpg

[RomanS]

One of the best and the most famous helicopter on the planet.

OUR HIND - crocodile

[Fox2]

The Mi-24 is awesome. It's definitely one of the most versatile choppers around.




the newest versions have technology comparable to AH-64

Really?

Millimetre-wave radar, datalink capabilities, and multi-function displays? Radar-guided missiles, in addition?

I love the Hind, but I dislike it when someone makes claims such as that simply because of East/West rivalries. The Hind is an awesome bird, and has many strengths. But to say it has similar technologies to the AH-64 is daft.

No offense to you, Serbian boy, and I apologize. But it's ridiculous when someone tries oh-so-hard to make the tool of one country seem better than another because of simple nationalism. And in the process makes the bias obvious.

I mean, you don't see anyone writing "The AH-64, with comparable troop carrying capacity as the Mi-24!" do you? Two totally different birds with totally different missions.

[RomanS]

One of the latest MI-24 upgrades cockpit photo

http://cockpits.pp.ru/MI24_last.jpg

[Fox2]

Very nice.

Like I said, the Mi-24 is awesome :D

EDIT: Seems very spacious, also...do they get pillows and other luxuries? :lol:

[mustamato]

What are all those switches on the left panel for? Hm, why just not automate
most of it so the pilot doesn´t have to worry?

http://www.canit.se/~griffon/aviation/draken/s35e/s35e-cockpit-3-caption.jpg
Even the swedish Drakens cockpit (J-35E) in the 60´s was automated as
far as was possible back in the days

[Russian Texan]

What are all those switches on the left panel for? Hm, why just not automate
most of it so the pilot doesn´t have to worry?

http://www.canit.se/~griffon/aviation/draken/s35e/s35e-cockpit-3-caption.jpg
Even the swedish Drakens cockpit (J-35E) in the 60´s was automated as
far as was possible back in the days


Mustamato, I am sure you have heard this before, but I will remind you - get a life...
Do you actually think before you post or you just start typing?
Do you realise that there isn't a single person on this board that likes you or even takes you seriously?
We all know that you don't like US, Russia and think that Sweden is "da ****"... Well, actually I start thinking because of people like you Sweden is "the ****"...
Please go away and stop wasting the bandwidth with brainfarts of yours...

[mustamato]

What are all those switches on the left panel for? Hm, why just not automate
most of it so the pilot doesn´t have to worry?

http://www.canit.se/~griffon/aviation/draken/s35e/s35e-cockpit-3-caption.jpg
Even the swedish Drakens cockpit (J-35E) in the 60´s was automated as
far as was possible back in the days


Mustamato, I am sure you have heard this before, but I will remind you - get a life...
Do you actually think before you post or you just start typing?
Do you realise that there isn't a single person on this board that likes you or even takes you seriously?
We all know that you don't like US, Russia and think that Sweden is "da ****"... Well, actually I start thinking because of people like you Sweden is "the ****"...
Please go away and stop wasting the bandwidth with brainfarts of yours...

да товарищ лидер, одним больше, одним меньше - это неважно

Just some brainfarting. The question is still, why not use a more automated
cockpit, I´m sure the russians have the know how etc. And by the
way your own contributions is usually as the one above. Impressive
my young friend :P

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/apache-helicopter-49.jpg
"Da automated ****", guess from where

[RomanS]

Here are photos I took of my best friends, when I took them to Russia.

My friend is a general director of the "Park of Victory' on Poklonnaya Gora in Moscow, Russia.

He owns most of the pieces in there.

When I took the guys to his masterpieces, he lets us explore each and everyone of them. He was kind enough to let us crawl over the Hind.
The only problem we had is the Gasoline, otherwise we would of flew the Krokodil around Moscow easely.

Enjoy our photos I took of them playing with the Hind.

http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/6673IMG_9160.jpg

http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/6673IMG_0042js.jpg

http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/6673IMG_0041.jpg

http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/6673IMG_0036rkt.jpg

http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/6673IMG_0035.jpg

http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/6673IMG_0034.jpg

http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/6673IMG_0033k.jpg

[RomanS]

What are all those switches on the left panel for? Hm, why just not automate
most of it so the pilot doesn´t have to worry?

http://www.canit.se/~griffon/aviation/draken/s35e/s35e-cockpit-3-caption.jpg
Even the swedish Drakens cockpit (J-35E) in the 60´s was automated as
far as was possible back in the days


Mustamato, I am sure you have heard this before, but I will remind you - get a life...
Do you actually think before you post or you just start typing?
Do you realise that there isn't a single person on this board that likes you or even takes you seriously?
We all know that you don't like US, Russia and think that Sweden is "da ****"... Well, actually I start thinking because of people like you Sweden is "the ****"...
Please go away and stop wasting the bandwidth with brainfarts of yours...

да товарищ лидер, одним больше, одним меньше - это неважно

Just some brainfarting. The question is still, why not use a more automated
cockpit, I´m sure the russians have the know how etc. And by the
way your own contributions is usually as the one above. Impressive
my young friend :P

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/apache-helicopter-49.jpg
"Da automated ****", guess from where

We respect this http://www.hbc.bz/bad_wire_ksu.JPG


But prefer the simplicity of this

http://cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/Image2.jpg


its just the way we are

:lol:

[mustamato]

But prefer the simplicity of this

http://cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/Image2.jpg


its just the way we are

:lol:

http://www.duffeyk.fsnet.co.uk/su-30mkk_files/su-30mkk_22.jpg
SU-30MKK seems to have a more
"western cockpit" compared to the older
russian fighter cockpits, so it´s not like
Russia doesn´t know or want the stuff,
I just wonder why it´s not used on the
newly built Hinds. The less the pilot has
to concentrate on flying the plane, the
better he will be in combat I guess.

And yeah I prefer simplicity to, I will probably never fly anything, but if I
must choose in example a Kalashnikov or a Armalite I wouldn´t exactly
choose the Armalite. Russian simplicity rules. But flying is pretty advanced
****... so hm.

[GazB]

The Mi-28N is the all weather attack helo equivelent of the AH-64D.

It carrys more missiles and has a more powerful gun and its radar has greater range and is specifically designed to detect air and ground targets.

There is an upgrade for the Hind that adds all weather capability and most of the systems and weapons of the Mi-28N.

[juhae]

Just some brainfarting. The question is still, why not use a more automated cockpit, I´m sure the russians have the know how etc.
I'd guess it somehow relates to the "extent of modernizing" such would require. Hind is already a very old design (1960's aye?), and I guess they rather use the latest technology in new completely new designs.

And as PermskiiOMON said, simplicity helps in occasions. Keeping a huge gunship, such as Mi-24, as mechanical as possible, the repairs and maintnance will be much easier in zones of conflict, where the supply might falter from time to time.

(disclaimer: this is about as much guessing by general logic as it can get, I admit I know next to nothing about military helicopters.)

[serbian boy]

http://www.bulba.eu.org/mil/free/ka50/ka52(3).jpg
KA-52 Hokum B
http://www.bulba.eu.org/mil/free/ka50/ka52(12).jpg
KA-52 with full weapons load.

http://www.bulba.eu.org/mil/free/ka50/ka52(9).jpg
KA-52
http://www.bulba.eu.org/mil/free/ka50/ka50(11).jpg
KA-50 Hokum A (That is one mean looking helicopter) :P
http://www.bulba.eu.org/mil/free/ka50/ka50(5).jpg
KA-50 Hokum A firing it's 30mm auto cannon.
http://www.bulba.eu.org/mil/free/ka50/ka50(26).jpg
KA-50 Weapons Load Options (WLO) Decisions,Decisions :)
http://www.bulba.eu.org/mil/free/ka50/ka50(10).jpg
KA-50 Hokum A cockpit.
http://www.bulba.eu.org/mil/free/ka50/wichr(2).jpg
57mm FFR's and 9M121 WICHR Thermal-Radar guided missile (AT-16)
This is nice, heard they have about a dozen in chechnya at top secret locations.

[Russian Texan]

top secret locations.

:lol:

[RomanS]

Video of Black Shark in Chechnya

http://www.europeum-group.ru/foxbat/nar_is.AVI

http://www.europeum-group.ru/foxbat/ka50_ch.AVI


Hankala base
http://www.foxbat.ru/article/chech7/chechnya_02.jpg

[Fox2]

The Mi-28N is the all weather attack helo equivelent of the AH-64D.

It carrys more missiles and has a more powerful gun and its radar has greater range and is specifically designed to detect air and ground targets.

There is an upgrade for the Hind that adds all weather capability and most of the systems and weapons of the Mi-28N.

Does it also have target uplink capability? Can it share radar target information with other Havocs and inturn can those Havocs release radar-guided ordnance based on that passed information?

EDIT: Also, anyone know which the Russian military has decided to use? Has the Havoc even been fielded yet? I thought they had dropped it in favor the Kamov Ka-52 Alligator?

[Russian Texan]

No one knows for sure, even the Russian military :lol:

There are conflicting statements and reports regarding adoption of both helicopters.

The latest is that MI 28N is the winner but Ka was used more extensively in Chechnya.

Anyhow, upgraded Mi 24 is going to be the workhorse for some time to come.

Here is a thread regarding the rivalry
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3839&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[Catch22]

Recently I have read a report that Russian MOD ordered some 52 Mi28N - this to be completed until 2009. Im not sure about Kamov's - I know there are still some struggle to prepare and promote "westernized" version of it with two seated, tandem cockpit and western avionics - some were demonstrated in Turkey.

About Ka 50 there's one problem - as far as I know Russia wanted to have small, fast attack helo, capable not only of attacking ground units but also of taking down other helicopters. The main drawback of Kamov bureau project was the basic idea of single seater - test pilots complained that Ka 50 was far too demanding AH to fly - you have to care about piloting, countermeasures and weapons (guided esp) at one time. Also some assumptions - like the classic Kamov twin rotor, which gave Black shark its maneuverability led to certain problems - 30mm AT/HE gun was then side mounted and controlable only vertically - Ka50 was supposed to turn its whole body when targeting with it... well as you can see soon Ka52 twinseated version was developed, some things were corrected, some new problems arised. It seems that Mi28 - as a classical "flying tank" conception is far better suited to modern battlefild conditions - I see Kamov future as a recon chopper when fitted with more specialized electronics.

Permskii - I know Ka50 was one of the first AH to have a jet-like catapult for its pilot (I remember there were tests of such systems for helicopters since Mil Mi4 back in 50's - firing off the rotor blades and so on). Got any more info or photos how effective it was and how it worked actually?

[GazB]

Does it also have target uplink capability? Can it share radar target information with other Havocs and inturn can those Havocs release radar-guided ordnance based on that passed information?

Yes, and the Ka-52 does too.

Even the Mig-29 has full digital secure datalinks, as do most other PVO interceptors like the Mig-31, Mig-23, and Mig-25, as well as the various Su-27 variants.

The Ka-50 single seat helo was only made possible because it received target data via a datalink. The Mi-28 was a two seater because teh more conservative Mil design bureau wanted two crew for night flying (a full time job and not something you can do and look for targets at the same time).


EDIT: Also, anyone know which the Russian military has decided to use? Has the Havoc even been fielded yet? I thought they had dropped it in favor the Kamov Ka-52 Alligator?

The Ka-50 was selected over the Mi-28A in the early 90s, but the subsequent focus on all weather and night capability lead to a more recent reversal with the Mi-28N beating the Ka-52 as the Russian army attack chopper. The Ka-52 will be used by Special forces and 12 have been ordered, but an order for 50 Mi-28Ns has also been made and the Mi-28N will be built in greater numbers later on.


About Ka 50 there's one problem - as far as I know Russia wanted to have small, fast attack helo, capable not only of attacking ground units but also of taking down other helicopters.

The Ka-50 was never designed as a helicopter "fighter". A normal medium sized fighter aircraft with BVR missiles and a decent look down shoot down radar is 1,000 times better than any helo... much faster too.


The main drawback of Kamov bureau project was the basic idea of single seater - test pilots complained that Ka 50 was far too demanding AH to fly - you have to care about piloting, countermeasures and weapons (guided esp) at one time.

It is actually very easy to fly and use and was very popular in Chechnia where it was tested. The problem is that at night flying a helo is a full time job and that is where a singel seat helo has problems engaging targets. The new focus on night and bad weather combat... to reduce losses meant that the Ka-50 wasn't an option and the Ka-52 was developed but lost to the Mi-28N


30mm AT/HE gun was then side mounted and controlable only vertically - Ka50 was supposed to turn its whole body when targeting with it... well as you can see soon Ka52 twinseated version was developed, some things were corrected, some new problems arised.

The positioning of the gun at the side greatly increases its accuracy as it is mounted very close to the helos centre of gravity. Its positioning had nothing to do with the rotor design of the aircraft.


I see Kamov future as a recon chopper when fitted with more specialized electronics.

It weighs 10 tons... It is an attack chopper. The recon chooper will be the Ka-60 variant (it looks like a "Dolphin" helo).


I know Ka50 was one of the first AH to have a jet-like catapult for its pilot (I remember there were tests of such systems for helicopters since Mil Mi4 back in 50's - firing off the rotor blades and so on). Got any more info or photos how effective it was and how it worked actually?

You mean the ejection seat? It has a rocket attached to a cable tha drags the seat out of the cockpit. Explosive bolts jetison the rotor blades first then the rocket drags the pilot clear. This means there are some limits on formation flying with this aircraft, but otherwise there are no problems.

[Kingpin]

Correction: Not only during night times but also (and more important) - in mountains. Since helicopter fly very low over terrain pilot busy all time in mountains watching for altitude and obstacles. Also difficult weather conditions such as strong winds, fog, rain, snow. Finally Russian military decided that two seater much better suits for this purpose and chose Ka-52 and Mi-28N.

[obd]

hehe, way to go Russian Texan. I love the direct and forceful Russian approach to dealing with ****s like Mustamoto. All he does all day long is spout off anti-American and anti-russian crap. What do you say to this idea: We fly an antonav and Hercules with 60,000 gallons of pig **** over his house and drop it. I know its a shame to dirty such great aircraft but I find it necesarry and desirable to give him just a taste, a very small taste, of the bullcrap he feeds to America and Russia!!!!

[wholagun]

I was watching a show on the Hind in Afghanistan, the Mujahadin were so scared of it that they dubed it the "Devils Chariot", that is until they got US stingers. Still pretty cool nickname "devils charriot".

[chamberlin]

I was watching a show on the Hind in Afghanistan, the Mujahadin were so scared of it that they dubed it the "Devils Chariot", that is until they got US stingers. Still pretty cool nickname "devils charriot".

Maxim Machinegun was called the Devil's paintbrush, the RPG the Devil's finger. Yea, it is a pretty effective weapon if it get's that Devil's annotation.

-C

[wholagun]

I was watching a show on the Hind in Afghanistan, the Mujahadin were so scared of it that they dubed it the "Devils Chariot", that is until they got US stingers. Still pretty cool nickname "devils charriot".

Maxim Machinegun was called the Devil's paintbrush, the RPG the Devil's finger. Yea, it is a pretty effective weapon if it get's that Devil's annotation.

-C

really I didn't know that -- hhmm interesting. Thanks for the follow up and info.

[perdurabo]

I was watching a show on the Hind in Afghanistan, the Mujahadin were so scared of it that they dubed it the "Devils Chariot", that is until they got US stingers. Still pretty cool nickname "devils charriot".
In Poland attack helos are sometimes caled "chariots of fire" :) (but also when your parachute drags you al around airfield ... ;-) )

[GazB]

I was watching a show on the Hind in Afghanistan, the Mujahadin were so scared of it that they dubed it the "Devils Chariot", that is until they got US stingers. Still pretty cool nickname "devils charriot".


They had similar names for any effective weapon an enemy uses against them... the ZSU-23-4, the Hind are two.

[webfoots]

http://www.barnstormerscards.com/cardimages/helicopter/Mi24-a.jpg

That's some sweet camo work.

Chechnyan tank driver: "Hey, is that a helicopter flying toward us?"

Chechnyan tank commander: "No, it just a goose."

BOOM!

[pfclee]

Guys, just letting you know.

I, as a pilot, need to tell you that all that ditigal multi-function displays are no better than you see in the older pictures which uses needles for indication.

It's all about training and how you interpret the information indicated on the gauge.

Plus, needle indications could be safer than LCD, since LCD rely on electrical system more than needle indications.

[AK-Lover]

We fly an antonav and Hercules with 60,000 gallons of pig **** over his house and drop it. I know its a shame to dirty such great aircraft but I find it necesarry and desirable to give him just a taste, a very small taste, of the bullcrap he feeds to America and Russia!!!!
Hey I a better idea!http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Russia/Tsarbmb.jpg
Tzar Bomba, world largest nuclear device, 50 MEGATONS! =
http://www.disastershelters.net/images/resources/bomb.jpg
That should take care of him! :P