Some more pics of Royal Marines

[papabear]

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[Andreas]

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/rn/data/gallery/medium/1050502099m.jpg

"Let me just jump of this thing, doesent look so soft that mud"

Have a nice day folks, im seriously bored att work.


Cheers
Andy

[kayaker]

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/rn/data/gallery/medium/1050580509m.jpg

Compare this to a US Marine. What a difference in appearance!

[bigjeff]

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/rn/data/gallery/medium/1050580509m.jpg

Compare this to a US Marine. What a difference in appearance!

I can always feel the classic taste when i look at the british solders.

[Mailman]

As in what? Different camo? Different background? What exactly am I supposed to be comparing?

Mailman

[Argyll]

I think he means which one looks more intimidating?

[littlefrench]

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/rn/data/gallery/medium/1050502099m.jpg

"Let me just jump of this thing, doesent look so soft that mud"

Cheers
Andy

rofl rofl rofl

[Geezah]

Well the Royal Marines are Commandos after all, and the US Marines are....well just Marines p-) :P

[MARINO]

British soldiers just rule woot

[tenda]

British soldiers just rule woot
....yesssssssssssss x 2 :P :P

[GothicSnake]

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/rn/data/gallery/medium/1050580509m.jpg

Compare this to a US Marine. What a difference in appearance!Yeah! Dude you're so right! Those US Marines have proper camouflage for the enviroment, a weapon that works, comm gear that works, and wear helmets! rofl :P

[VaLiancY]

Great pictures and lets not start a debate please.

[Royal]

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/rn/data/gallery/medium/1050580509m.jpg

Compare this to a US Marine. What a difference in appearance!Yeah! Dude you're so right! Those US Marines have proper camouflage for the enviroment, a weapon that works, comm gear that works, and wear helmets! rofl :P

Green biased DPM works just fine in the marshes around Al Fawr and Al Basrah - especially when mixed with some sand. The A2 works just fine thanks, the PRR is a US bit of kit (IIRC) and works very well. I believe the USMC use a similar radio. As to helmets, each to his own... If someones shooting at me, maybe. Otherwise I like to see, hear and not freak the f**k out of the natives...

But hey, I like MarPat, the M4's not bad (although the C8 is better) and the rest of Bowman is about as much use as **** on a fish.

[GothicSnake]

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/rn/data/gallery/medium/1050580509m.jpg

Compare this to a US Marine. What a difference in appearance!Yeah! Dude you're so right! Those US Marines have proper camouflage for the enviroment, a weapon that works, comm gear that works, and wear helmets! rofl :P

Green biased DPM works just fine in the marshes around Al Fawr and Al Basrah - especially when mixed with some sand. The A2 works just fine thanks, the PRR is a US bit of kit (IIRC) and works very well. I believe the USMC use a similar radio. As to helmets, each to his own... If someones shooting at me, maybe. Otherwise I like to see, hear and not freak the f**k out of the natives...

But hey, I like MarPat, the M4's not bad (although the C8 is better) and the rest of Bowman is about as much use as **** on a fish.It does look like a US radio, from what I can see, but I was just making a jab at the problems the Brit military has had with their own systems a few years ago and might still be having right now, ASFAIK. I can't remember the name of it but I remember hearing soldiers had to resort to using cell phones b/c it was so unreliable. And as for the L85, well, I'm sure everyone's heard the horror stories. :P I've heard mixed things about the A2 but anythings gotta be better than the original. Just good natured ribbing, my friend, I have the utmost respect for the British military, especially the Marines, it's not their fault the goverment gives them crap kit. :hug:

[Scrim]

it's not their fault the goverment gives them crap kit.

Well, its only in the last couple of years that we (USMC) have finally started getting good individual kit. Untill then the British individuals kit was about a thousand times better than the **** we had.

[GothicSnake]

it's not their fault the goverment gives them crap kit.

Well, its only in the last couple of years that we (USMC) have finally started getting good individual kit. Untill then the British individuals kit was about a thousand times better than the **** we had.To each his own, I guess. The Marines didn't really get newer kit much later than the army, the only thing I can really think of is the army having the interceptor vest when we went into Afghanistan and the Marines still mostly had the old flak vest. The ALICE system was good, just as good as the Brit LBE, IMO, and although I haven't fired an L85, after what I've heard about it I'd take an M16A2 over it any day of the week.

[Icarus1]

Good gear is a fine thing... but I like more to have good soldiers around me, than bad soldiers with good gear.

A good rifle does not make a bad shooter a good one... good shoes do not make a slow soldier fast etc etc

the brits invest very much in the training of the men, but they dont have as good gear as the americans.

i was very imprest by a delegation of SAS soldiers and their skills in improvisating gear and make the best with bad gear...

[PhillyMobster]

As was previously pointed out, the Royal Marines undergo commando training, so basically the only thing they have in common with US Marines is the name. Both are elite forces in their own right and deserve immense respect. Lets not get side-tracked on inter-military rivalries--after all, we're fighting the same enemy in Iraq right now. :)

If all goes well, I will be a US Marine in a few months, but I agree, the Royal Marines rock! :hug:

[Doomsayer]

The Enfield rifle is very accurate so in combination with the SUSAT and a good shooter (a German general from WW2 said the Brits are excellent shooters) that makes a very fine marksman and Royal Marines are hardasses so I'd say they deserve a great amount of respect ;)

[kayaker]

As in what? Different camo? Different background? What exactly am I supposed to be comparing?

Mailman

Equipment. US Marine with NVG clip on helmet, Wiley X goggles on top of that, Oakley sunnies, beacon on left shoulder, Camelback on back, GPS, sidearm with two spare mags on leg, M16+M203 combo, rangefinder, ACOG, Surefire, double mag clip, fighting knife on boot, etc

Equipment Royal Marine COMMANDO: SUSAT on weapon+see picture.

Undoubtly the US provides more equipment for its Marines. personally I have never seen a RMC as well equipped as their US counterparts thats all I meant with the statement. No offence meant. But I also know who I rather train with.

[Geezah]

As in what? Different camo? Different background? What exactly am I supposed to be comparing?

Mailman

Equipment. US Marine with NVG clip on helmet, Wiley X goggles on top of that, Oakley sunnies, beacon on left shoulder, Camelback on back, GPS, sidearm with two spare mags on leg, M16+M203 combo, rangefinder, ACOG, Surefire, double mag clip, fighting knife on boot, etc

Equipment Royal Marine COMMANDO: SUSAT on weapon+see picture.

Undoubtly the US provides more equipment for its Marines. personally I have never seen a RMC as well equipped as their US counterparts thats all I meant with the statement. No offence meant. But I also know who I rather train with.

I don't think all US Marines are issued a pistola along with long arm?

[Graeme]

As in what? Different camo? Different background? What exactly am I supposed to be comparing?

Mailman

Equipment. US Marine with NVG clip on helmet, Wiley X goggles on top of that, Oakley sunnies, beacon on left shoulder, Camelback on back, GPS, sidearm with two spare mags on leg, M16+M203 combo, rangefinder, ACOG, Surefire, double mag clip, fighting knife on boot, etc

Equipment Royal Marine COMMANDO: SUSAT on weapon+see picture.

Undoubtly the US provides more equipment for its Marines. personally I have never seen a RMC as well equipped as their US counterparts thats all I meant with the statement. No offence meant. But I also know who I rather train with.

I'm sorry, but you really can't compare Royal Marine Commando's to US Marines....they are in no way coutnerparts, as has already been said, the only thing in common is the name.

[Scrim]

I'm not talking about technical gear. Dont know about their old comms gear. Only fired a few blanks through an SA80 out in 29 Palms.
But as far as personal kit, IMO PLCE blows away old ALICE.
S95 clothing is way more comfortable than our old cammies.
British helmets have a far superior suspension system than our old kevlars. And I dont think any one would disagree that the 'SAS' Smock is a better piece of kit than our old field jackets.
I could go on. Im just saying the US Servicemans personal kit has come a long long way only in the last couple of years, further than it has in the past twenty.

[kayaker]

True few have one. But i do have pictures that some are indeed equipped with a sidearm. Yet I've never seen British with a Browning high power in combat conditions (not that I think it has GREAT value. Maybe in CQB)

[GothicSnake]

I'm not talking about technical gear. Dont know about their old comms gear. Only fired a few blanks through an SA80 out in 29 Palms.
But as far as personal kit, IMO PLCE blows away old ALICE.
S95 clothing is way more comfortable than our old cammies.
British helmets have a far superior suspension system than our old kevlars. And I dont think any one would disagree that the 'SAS' Smock is a better piece of kit than our old field jackets.
I could go on. Im just saying the US Servicemans personal kit has come a long long way only in the last couple of years, further than it has in the past twenty.Well the ALICE/PLCE debate is personal preference, I think they're pretty equal. Although I'm also an unqualified opinion as I've only worn the ALICE and the LBV :P.

As for the clothing, that is one thing I can definitely agree with, I've never tried on a pair of Brit combats, but US BDU's are extremely uncomfortable, they're heavy, too hot in the summer, and too cold in the winter, and this was just in ROTC! I can't imagine how uncomfortable they must be in combat conditions, IDK, maybe we just had crappy old ones but I did not dig the utilities. I've never put on DCU's. I hear MARPAT is much better and the Army's ACU (although plagued with an ugly and ineffective color scheme) is even more comfy, like pajamas I saw one soldier describe them.

I dont know the suspension system in Brit helmets but I know the setup on the old PASGT sucked ass. Uncomfortable as hell, the helmet kept rocking around on my head and when you go ****e it flops down and covers your LOS. Horrible system or, once again, we just had old defective ****.

The M16A2 is an amazing weapon, best assault rifle I've fired. I figure the modularity of the A4 makes it twice as effective. The L85 sounds really good, but the unreliabilty problems I've heard about make me not trust it.

But anyway, like I said, most respect to the Brits. Although I dont find them to be tougher or 'better' than US Marines, they're just more specialized in the light infantry special ops role, kinda like Rangers.

[USMC-Congbuster]

Marines are just marines? Dude i bet you wouldnt say that to even a POG's face

[dr_newstead]

Worth mentioning that it's not unknown for Royal Marines to use M16A2 either. Like so:

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[Name Taken]

Those are probably RM Recon platoon. There's no doubt US forces have a lot more money to throw at gear, but do ALL US Marines get issued with Oakleys, Wiley X goggles, camelbak, and a GPS unit? A lot of that stuff, similiar to Brits, have to buy it themselves.

[GothicSnake]

Those are probably RM Recon platoon. There's no doubt US forces have a lot more money to throw at gear, but do ALL US Marines get issued with Oakleys, Wiley X goggles, camelbak, and a GPS unit? A lot of that stuff, similiar to Brits, have to buy it themselves.I'm not sure as I'm not in yet, but I think it all depends on who you are. The goggles, camelbak are standard for everyone, I believe, whereas you buy oakleys on your own I think and GPS, AFAIK, is only issued to officers and such.

[MEGR]

I hear nothing but praise for the Royal Marines. In terms of comparing them to USMC, I'm not sure if you're comparing apples to apples.

[dr_newstead]

I think the one thing Britain is famous for is it's navy :) That's why the RMC's are held in such high regard.

All of our Lads are top drawer, but you think of Britain, you think of Nelson, Trafalgar, Hornblower, Jutland, the sinking of the Bismarck etc. I think maybe that's why the Royal Marines are so esteemed. We are an island nation, and we always have been p-) And where we've had ships, we've had the Marines :)

(1664. A bad year for lager. A good year for Britain ;) :D)

[dr_newstead]

http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/images/sea/conway_visit.jpg

http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/images/sea/cdo_trg.jpg

http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/images/sea/wmik_ranges.jpg

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[Geezah]

I think the one thing Britain is famous for is it's navy :) That's why the RMC's are held in such high regard.

All of our Lads are top drawer, but you think of Britain, you think of Nelson, Trafalgar, Hornblower, Jutland, the sinking of the Bismarck etc. I think maybe that's why the Royal Marines are so esteemed. We are an island nation, and we always have been p-) And where we've had ships, we've had the Marines :)

(1664. A bad year for lager. A good year for Britain ;) :D)

Also that the RMs are one of Britains oldest units aren't they?

[andreen]

I most say tha a tink this discusion is fukt up.

The RMC and the USMC is not the same form of unit.
The USMC is a unit tha have more armor. and have more of its own firesuport units. Cobras, Hariers and so on. The RMC is a lither unit that have a hier mobilety an dont take that muth time to relocate. They have les of its own firesuport an must reliy on other unit for its suport.

The units have there + and -

The RMC can be more manoverbul, from one spot to a nother in the field than the...let say 24th MEU SOC, but the 24th can hit harder and with more firepower wen on site. as I sad + and - on both sides

sorry for the bad speling my english grama it that god, I hohe you got the idé of wat I was tying to say.

[szr]

Anyone who tries to compare the the USMC with the Royal Marines either doesn't understand the purpose of each force or choses to ignore their purposes. Either way, you do a disservice to both maritime services.

It should be clear to anyone with two eyes that beyond the word 'Marine' they are two totally different forces whose similarities are their maritime traditions and combat records.

The British Royal Marines are a traditional Marine Corps--amphibious light infantry with rigorous training. There are many Marine Corps' like the Royal Marines but they are the best in the world.

There is no other Marine Corps on Earth like the USMC. There is no other fighting force on Earth like the USMC. Its structure and approach to warfighting are unlike any other military service. The USMC is essentially a military within a military, complete with everything but its own strategic bombers, all able to deploy and fight from ships or improvised bases and airfields.

There are other forces (in the US Army) that provide the US with similar capabilities to the Royal Marines. But it's not the USMC's job to be like the Royal Marines.


Thanks for the pictures.

[Bluezoo]

Great pictures! US and Royal Marines rock! woot

[dr_newstead]

I wasn't comparing anyone to anyone I'd just like to clarify. I was just saying why I reckon the Royal Marines have quite a bit of prestige attached to them (and that's just a layman's opinion). And I found that picture of a USMC officer chatting to RMC's because it shows they both have something to share with eachother B)

[Royal]

Ive noticed that US marines always look more well built that Royal Marines, same with special forces.....hmm.....

Our friends across the pond place more emphasis on strength and we more on CV fitness (a wild generalisation - but largely true in my experience) - hence the differering types of musculature.

[James]

Ive noticed that US marines always look more well built that Royal Marines, same with special forces.....hmm.....

Our friends across the pond place more emphasis on strength and we more on CV fitness (a wild generalisation - but largely true in my experience) - hence the differering types of musculature.

Yeah,

In 1995 or 1996 a bunch of Royal Marines were out at 29 Palms for training. They were more wiry than us.

BUT... THe toughest Marine who ever worked for me was a little fellow about 5'5" and maybe 140 lbs (10 stone). He could outmarch anyone I knew who spent a lot of time in the gym lifting weights.

I've known and worked with a few SF guys in my time, and they tended to be little compared to me. I'm 5'11" and 200 lbs, for whatever that's worth.

[IMARA]

Yeah! Dude you're so right! Those US Marines have proper camouflage for the enviroment, a weapon that works, comm gear that works, and wear helmets![quote]

:D [/quote]

[Doomsayer]

rofl

so funny how (unclever) people judge soldiers by their equipment

[kayaker]

Whose judging? AFAI am aware we just mentioned how different the two look in terms of equiipment carried. Or am I losin the plot??

[GothicSnake]

People taking a light comment too seriously.

[kayaker]

WHO, WHAT, ME?!! you !"£$%^&*( :D ;p

[king_nothing100]

Worth mentioning that it's not unknown for Royal Marines to use M16A2 either. Like so:

As far as I know they're C7's.

[Doomsayer]

WHO, WHAT, ME?!! you !"£$%^&*( :D ;p

not me either :D ;)

just find it funny ;)

[Maschinengewehrschutze]

The Enfield rifle is very accurate so in combination with the SUSAT and a good shooter (a German general from WW2 said the Brits are excellent shooters) that makes a very fine marksman and Royal Marines are hardasses so I'd say they deserve a great amount of respect ;)

The RM marksmanship training is sub par if compared with USM's Table 1 500yd program.
The closest they shoot is 200yds.....STANDING on a 12 inch target.

[Maschinengewehrschutze]

but you think of Britain, you think of Nelson, Trafalgar, Hornblower, Jutland, the sinking of the Bismarck etc. I think maybe that's why the Royal Marines are so esteemed. )



No, you think that. Most other people think of Yorktown 1781, New Orleans 1815 or the defeat at Fort Carillon in 1755 when they think of England.

Somme...the mass surrender at Singapore in 42 are also some dates that come to my mind.


As far as your Marines go...theyve had anywhere from 3-6 disbandings in their existance and still claim 1664 as their year of origin. In 1882, they adopted the American design dark blue tunic as their own. So quite original of them.
And if you've ever wondered why the Royal marines cant have a motto like Semper Fidelis...look up the 6th RMLI Murmansk mutiny of 1919.

When I think of the RMs I still think of this image.

[wotsnext]

You're a fvcking idiot.

[Maschinengewehrschutze]

You're a fvcking idiot.


Id rather be an idiot than a self indulging narcissist. But please do go ahead and make a rebuttal, or continue with ad hominem.

[Maschinengewehrschutze]

Anyone who tries to compare the the USMC with the Royal Marines either doesn't understand the purpose of each force or choses to ignore their purposes. Either way, you do a disservice to both maritime services.

It should be clear to anyone with two eyes that beyond the word 'Marine' they are two totally different forces whose similarities are their maritime traditions and combat records.

The British Royal Marines are a traditional Marine Corps--amphibious light infantry with rigorous training. There are many Marine Corps' like the Royal Marines but they are the best in the world.

There is no other Marine Corps on Earth like the USMC. There is no other fighting force on Earth like the USMC. Its structure and approach to warfighting are unlike any other military service. The USMC is essentially a military within a military, complete with everything but its own strategic bombers, all able to deploy and fight from ships or improvised bases and airfields.

There are other forces (in the US Army) that provide the US with similar capabilities to the Royal Marines. But it's not the USMC's job to be like the Royal Marines.


Thanks for the pictures.


Neither the RM commandos nor basic USM infantry are SF operators.
The USMC has more tier 1 personnel than there are Royal Marines total.
There is no equivalent of a commando title in the USMC, why? because the closest comparison, the recon Marines, overlap the capablities of the RMs two fold.
Recon Marines recieve both jump and amphib recon training, while the RM commandos are nothing more than light infantry.
The commando title itself is just something the British took away from Rogers Rangers of 1750s, and the Boers after getting their asses kicked in S. Africa's 1st Boer War.


It should also be noted that the most basic non infantry US Marine (females too) shoots out to 500yds and runs a full 3 mile PFT. A female supply clerk or cook could be held to the same PFT standard as a recon Marine.

The RMC rifle qual goes out to a mere 300 meters. PFT run is 3 miles, 2x 1 1/2 mile strings.

You'll rarely see RMs operating with anyone else besides basic USM infantry or recon units.

[SchnitzelHunter]

Neither the RM commandos nor basic USM infantry are SF operators.
The USMC has more tier 1 personnel than there are Royal Marines total.
There is no equivalent of a commando title in the USMC, why? because the closest comparison, the recon Marines, overlap the capablities of the RMs two fold.
Recon Marines recieve both jump and amphib recon training, while the RM commandos are nothing more than light infantry.
The commando title itself is just something the British took away from Rogers Rangers of 1750s, and the Boers after getting their asses kicked in S. Africa's 1st Boer War.


It should also be noted that the most basic non infantry US Marine (females too) shoots out to 500yds and runs a full 3 mile PFT. A female supply clerk or cook could be held to the same PFT standard as a recon Marine.

The RMC rifle qual goes out to a mere 300 meters. PFT run is 3 miles, 2x 1 1/2 mile strings.

You'll rarely see RMs operating with anyone else besides basic USM infantry or recon units.

You really have no clue what you are talking about.

[Stormz_STA]

Id rather be an idiot than a self indulging narcissist. But please do go ahead and make a rebuttal, or continue with ad hominem.

I think wotsnext is wrong. You're not an idiot. You're just a mean, insecure little troll.
Troll some more, please. Maybe one of the mods will take a closer look at your posts.

[Maschinengewehrschutze]

You really have no clue what you are talking about.

According to you neither does the HM Forces website. The PFT and rifle qual stats come from there, not me.

So yes it can be said that a female supply clerk US Marine outshoots and outruns a british commando.

[Maschinengewehrschutze]

I think wotsnext is wrong. You're not an idiot. You're just a mean, insecure little troll.
Troll some more, please. Maybe one of the mods will take a closer look at your posts.

Someday I will waste as much time as you did here and my post count will be in the thousands.

[Stormz_STA]

Someday I will waste as much time as you did here and my post count will be in the thousands.

I don't think you'll last that long here.

[SineJustitia]

Wow. Reviving a 7 year old thread just to get it closed.

[wotsnext]

Someday I will waste as much time as you did here and my post count will be in the thousands.

171291

Cant wait for that.

[w0nder]

No, you think that. Most other people think of Yorktown 1781, New Orleans 1815 or the defeat at Fort Carillon in 1755 when they think of England.

Somme...the mass surrender at Singapore in 42 are also some dates that come to my mind.


As far as your Marines go...theyve had anywhere from 3-6 disbandings in their existance and still claim 1664 as their year of origin. In 1882, they adopted the American design dark blue tunic as their own. So quite original of them.
And if you've ever wondered why the Royal marines cant have a motto like Semper Fidelis...look up the 6th RMLI Murmansk mutiny of 1919.

When I think of the RMs I still think of this image.


You sir, are a complete douche