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ed316
01-20-2006, 11:22 AM
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German spies' Iraq role defended
The German foreign minister has strongly defended two German intelligence agents whose role in the Iraq war has been questioned by MPs.
In a heated parliamentary debate, Frank-Walter Steinmeier dismissed claims that the agents had helped the US military to select bombing targets.
The agents had given "no support for the pursuit of war", he said.
Opposition parties are pushing for an inquiry into the role of German intelligence in the 2003 Iraq war.
A decision on whether to hold such an inquiry has been put off until next week, the BBC's Ray Furlong in Berlin says.
The passionate parliamentary debate reflects the fact that the Iraq war is still haunting German political life, our correspondent says.
Suggestions of a German role in the war have caused concern, especially because of the country's strong opposition to the US-led invasion.
Parliament 'deceived'
Mr Steinmeier cut short a tour of the Middle East to take part in the debate in the lower house of parliament, the Bundestag.
In a speech to MPs, he said the agents of the German intelligence service, the BND, remained in Baghdad during the hostilities merely to keep the government in Berlin informed.
He also repeated the government view that there was no need for an inquiry.
Mr Steinmeier was one of the closest aides of the then-Social Democrat (SPD) Chancellor, Gerhard Schroeder.
However, opposition MPs suggested that Mr Schroeder's government deceived parliament over the matter.
They also pointed to recent allegations that German intelligence agents had interrogated prisoners held in Syria and Guantanamo Bay - saying an inquiry into BND activities was necessary.
The case of a German man allegedly kidnapped by the CIA and claims that Berlin allowed CIA planes to use German airports to fly terror suspects to secret prisons for interrogation were also raised as a further subject for scrutiny. Together, the opposition - the Free Democratic Party, Greens and Left Party - do have enough votes to force an inquiry over the issue. But it is not clear whether they can agree on a united front, our correspondent says.

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Published: 2006/01/20 15:45:45 GMT

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Laworkerbee
01-20-2006, 01:07 PM
They also pointed to recent allegations that German intelligence agents had interrogated prisoners held in Syria and Guantanamo Bay - saying an inquiry into BND activities was necessary.

Whoa! if true there is going to be hell to pay.

ed316
01-20-2006, 01:09 PM
They also pointed to recent allegations that German intelligence agents had interrogated prisoners held in Syria and Guantanamo Bay - saying an inquiry into BND activities was necessary.

Whoa! if true there is going to be hell to pay.

Ze Germans are very crafty and not to be takin lightly History has proven that.

Atlantic Friend
01-20-2006, 01:17 PM
They also pointed to recent allegations that German intelligence agents had interrogated prisoners held in Syria and Guantanamo Bay - saying an inquiry into BND activities was necessary.

Whoa! if true there is going to be hell to pay.

What's the big deal ? French intelligence officers asked for authorization to interrogate French citizens held there, were first denied then granted that authorization, IIRC. There wasn't any kind of political uproar about the fact French officers could fly there and interrogate people.

Laworkerbee
01-20-2006, 01:40 PM
What's the big deal ? French intelligence officers asked for authorization to interrogate French citizens held there, were first denied then granted that authorization, IIRC. There wasn't any kind of political uproar about the fact French officers could fly there and interrogate people.

Yes but the French government knew of and approved their actions no? it seems Germanys government was kept in the dark of these activities except for a select few.

Weasel
01-20-2006, 01:53 PM
Yes but the French government knew of and approved their actions no? it seems Germanys government was kept in the dark of these activities except for a select few.
I am pretty sure that a few of our politicians, even those you would consider as "leftists", knew about this matter. They will keep this knowledge in the dark.:|

Politicians promise you heaven, if you look away they steel your baby´s lollipop.
:bash:

JoaMei
01-20-2006, 01:57 PM
Jedenfalls hat unser Polizistenverprügler die Sache angeordnet und außerdem gegen den Untersuchungsausschuss gestimmt, warum wohl? :roll:

Weasel
01-20-2006, 02:02 PM
Jedenfalls hat unser Polizistenverprügler die Sache angeordnet und außerdem gegen den Untersuchungsausschuss gestimmt, warum wohl? :roll:
Chorgeist. :|

Laworkerbee
01-20-2006, 02:07 PM
Choir spirit rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

Weasel
01-20-2006, 02:10 PM
Choir spirit rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
I give you a A+. But don´t laugh about this serious matter. :bash:

p-)

Laworkerbee
01-20-2006, 02:13 PM
Sorry it just evoked a funny image in my head :hug:

Atlantic Friend
01-20-2006, 02:17 PM
Yes but the French government knew of and approved their actions no? it seems Germanys government was kept in the dark of these activities except for a select few.

The Intelligence Service reports to the Pm, yes, but I'm pretty sure the government is brought into the loop AFTER the operatives have struck a rich motherlode of information. It makes selling the operation to their political "masters" so much easier.

Weasel
01-20-2006, 02:34 PM
Sorry it just evoked a funny image in my head :hug:

Which one? Enlighten us. :)

Vandervahn
01-20-2006, 02:51 PM
Chorgeist. :|
??? Not rather Korpsgeist - Esprit de Corps?

Weasel
01-20-2006, 03:35 PM
??? Not rather Korpsgeist - Esprit de Corps?
Of course. It was a joke of a cabaretist I once saw. Since then I use this "joke" but it´s not funny for others. :oops:

Vandervahn
01-20-2006, 03:55 PM
Now that you speak of it, I think I once saw that sketch, too ;)