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He219
02-22-2004, 06:21 PM
Haiti Rebels Seize Second-Largest City

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GONAIVES, HAITI: Guy Philippe (2R) the leader of the National Resistance Front to Liberate Haiti sits with other members of his movement as he speaks to journalist in Gonaives 20 February 2004. Since the armed insurrection started 05 February several small towns in the north of the country have experienced popular uprisings against President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. The UN General Assembly convened a special meeting Friday on the crisis in Haiti, where two weeks of deadly clashes have marked a growing rebellion. AFP PHOTO Roberto SCHMIDT (Photo credit should read ROBERTO SCHMIDT/AFP/***** Images)

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GONAIVES, HAITI - FEBRUARY 20: A Member of the National Resistance Front To Liberate Haiti loads his weapon at one of their headquarters buildings February 20, 2004 in Gonaives, Haiti. The rebels have been fighting for the ouster of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. The U.S. government has asked American citizens to leave the island nation where more than 50 people have been killed in the uprising.(Photo by Joe Raedle/***** Images) *** Local Caption ***

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GONAIVES, HAITI - FEBRUARY 20: Guy Philippe (C), one of the leaders of the new National Resistance Front To Liberate Haiti relaxes with his rebel soldiers at one of their headquarters buildings February 20, 2004 in Gonaives, Haiti. The rebels have been fighting for the ouster of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. The U.S. government has asked American citizens to leave the island nation where more than 50 people have been killed in the uprising.(Photo by Joe Raedle/***** Images) *** Local Caption ***

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GONAIVES, HAITI - FEBRUARY 20: Members of the National Resistance Front To Liberate Haiti look at a leaflet distributed showing Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide leaving the country February 20, 2004 in Gonaives, Haiti. The rebels have been fighting for the ouster of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. The U.S. government has asked American citizens to leave the island nation where more than 50 people have been killed in the uprising.(Photo by Joe Raedle/***** Images) *** Local Caption ***

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GONAIVES, HAITI - FEBRUARY 20: Louis Jodel Chamblain (C) and Guy Philippe (R), two of the leaders of the new National Resistance Front To Liberate Haiti, shake hands with a member of the International Red Cross who did not want to be identified February 20, 2004 in Gonaives, Haiti. The rebels have been fighting for the ouster of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. The U.S. government has asked American citizens to leave the island nation where more than 50 people have been killed in the uprising.(Photo by Joe Raedle/***** Images) *** Local Caption ***

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GONAIVES, HAITI: A member of the International Red Cross who did not want to be identified (L) speaks to Louis Jodel Chamblain (2R) and Guy Philippe (R), leaders of the National Resistance Front to Liberate Haiti in Gonaives 20 February, 2004. The leaders told the Red Cross that they could go anywhere in town. Since the armed insurrection started 05 February several small towns in the north of the country have experienced popular uprisings against President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. The UN General Assembly convened a special meeting Friday on the crisis in Haiti, where two weeks of deadly clashes have marked a growing rebellion. AFP PHOTO Roberto SCHMIDT (Photo credit should read ROBERTO SCHMIDT/AFP/***** Images)


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Louis Jodel Chamblain, a leader of the National Resistance Front to Liberate Haiti. A US-led diplomatic team arrived on a lightning mission to press embattled Haitian President Jean Bertrand Aristide and the opposition to quickly accept an emergency peace plan aimed at ending the country's increasingly violent political crisis.(AFP/File/Roberto Schmidt)

The Assault:

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A rebel soldiers from the Haitian National Revolutionary Liberation Front look on as Commandant Louis Jodel Chamblain(L), loads his rifle as the rebels were taking over the Cap-Haitien police station in Cap-Haitien, Haiti, February 22, 2004. The armed revolt in the poorest country in the Americas, capping months of political tension, has sent foreigners fleeing and posed the most serious threat to President Jean-Bertrand Aristide since he was ousted in a coup shortly after his first term began in 1991. Photo by Daniel Morel/*******

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Haitian rebel leader Louis-Jodel Chamblain shoots as the rebels take over the police station of Cap-Haitien, Haiti, Sunday, Feb.22, 2004. Rebels captured Haiti's second-largest city with little resistance Sunday, claiming Cap-Haitien as their biggest prize in a two-week uprising that has driven government forces from half the country. (AP Photo/Walter Astrada)

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Rebel Commandant Louis Jodel Chamblain fires towards of the buildings at the Cap-Haitian police headquarters in Cap-Haitien, Haiti, February 22, 2004. Columns of balaclava-wearing rebels attacked Haiti's second-largest city on Sunday and drove police from their headquarters in a bloody rebellion against President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Heavy gunfire rattled throughout the city as a rebel force of about 200 scattered poorly trained and outnumbered police before them and people ran for cover. Flights from the capital were suspended. Photo by Daniel Morel/*******

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Haitian rebel leader Louis-Jodel Chamblain is seen in front of the burning police station of Cap-Haitien, Haiti, Sunday, Feb. 22, 2004. Rebels on Sunday seized the government's last major bastion in the north, Cap-Haitien, shooting off celebratory rounds in the air as people looted and several torched buildings sent a pall of black smoke over the city. (Walter Astrada)

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A Haitian rebel shouts others take positions at the police station of Cap-Haitien, Haiti, Sunday, Feb. 22, 2004. Rebels on Sunday seized the government's last major bastion in the north, Cap-Haitien, shooting off celebratory rounds in the air as people looted and several torched buildings sent a pall of black smoke over the city. (Walter Astrada)

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A Haitian rebel shoots while taking over the police station of Cap-Haitien, Haiti, Sunday, Feb. 22, 2004. Rebels on Sunday seized the government's last major stronghold in the north, Cap-Haitien, shooting off celebratory rounds in the air as people looted and torched buildings.ae (Walter Astrada)

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Haitian rebels patrol a street in Cap-Haitien, Haiti, Sunday, Feb. 22, 2004. Rebels on Sunday seized the government's last major bastion in the north, Cap-Haitien, shooting off celebratory rounds in the air as people looted and several torched buildings sent a pall of black smoke over the city. (Walter Astrada)

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A rebel drinks a coke at the police station of Cap-Haitien, Haiti, Sunday, Feb. 22, 2004. Rebels on Sunday seized the government's last major bastion in the north, Cap-Haitien, shooting off celebratory rounds in the air as people looted and several torched buildings sent a pall of black smoke over the city. (Walter Astrada)

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An resident of Cap-Haitien embraces a rebel in front of the police station of Cap-Haitien, Haiti, Sunday, Feb. 22, 2004. Rebels on Sunday seized the government's last major bastion in the north, Cap-Haitien, shooting off celebratory rounds in the air as people looted and several torched buildings sent a pall of black smoke over the city. (Walter Astrada)

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Hatian people loot the police station of Cap-Haitien, Haiti, Sunday, Feb. 22, 2004. Rebels on Sunday seized the government's last major bastion in the north, Cap-Haitien, shooting off celebratory rounds in the air as people looted and several torched buildings sent a pall of black smoke over the city. (Walter Astrada)

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Haitian people push a car away from the burning police station of Cap-Haitien, Haiti, Sunday, Feb. 22, 2004. Rebels on Sunday seized the government's last major bastion in the north, Cap-Haitien, shooting off celebratory rounds in the air as people looted and several torched buildings sent a pall of black smoke over the city. (Walter Astrada)


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The body a firefighter lies dead at the fire station in Cap-Haitien, Haiti, Sunday, Feb. 22, 2004. Rebels captured Haiti's second-largest city with little resistance Sunday, claiming Cap-Haitien as their biggest prize in a two-week uprising that has driven government forces from half the country. (AP Photo/Walter Astrada)

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A Haitian looks the burning police station of Cap-Haitien, Haiti, Sunday, Feb. 22, 2004. Rebels on Sunday seized the government's last major bastion in the north, Cap-Haitien, shooting off celebratory rounds in the air as people looted and several torched buildings sent a pall of black smoke over the city. (Walter Astrada)

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The body of an Aristide supporter lies dead on a street in Cap-Haitien, Haiti, Sunday, Feb. 22, 2004. Rebels captured Haiti's second-largest city with little resistance Sunday, claiming Cap-Haitien as their biggest prize in a two-week uprising that has driven government forces from half the country. (Walter Astrada)

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People transport looted goods at the port of Cap-Haitien, Haiti, Sunday, Feb. 22, 2004. Rebels captured Haiti's second-largest city with little resistance Sunday, claiming Cap-Haitien as their biggest prize in a two-week uprising that has driven government forces from half the country. (AP Photo/Walter Astrada)

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A man carries a looted sack of rice at the port of Cap-Haitien Haiti, Sunday, Feb. 22, 2004. Rebels captured Haiti's second-largest city with little resistance Sunday, claiming Cap-Haitien as their biggest prize in a two-week uprising that has driven government forces from half the country. (AP Photo/Walter Astrada)

U.S. Citizens Warned To Leave Haiti
Last Updated: 22 Feb 2004 02:48 PM


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PORT- AU- PRINCE, HAITI - FEBRUARY 22: Haitians protesters run as they participate in a rock throwing demonstration demanding that President Jean-Bertrand Arisitde step down February 22, 2004 in Port-au-Prince, Haiti. Rebels on Sunday seized the northern city of Cap-Haitien. (Photo by Joe Raedle/***** Images)

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PORT- AU- PRINCE, HAITI - FEBRUARY 22: Photographers take pictures of a Haitian holding shell casing after policeman opened fire on rock throwing demonstrators demanding that President Jean-Bertrand Arisitde step down February 22, 2004 in Port-au-Prince, Haiti. Rebels on Sunday seized the northern city of Cap-Haitien. (Photo by Joe Raedle/***** Images)

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U.S. security agents wait at the airport in Port-au-Prince February 21, 2004 as U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs Roger Noriega, was due to arrive. International mediators led by the United States began urgent efforts on Saturday to broker an end to political turmoil in Haiti that erupted two weeks ago into an armed revolt in the poor Caribbean country. (Daniel Aguilar/*******)

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Roger Noriega (L), Washington's top diplomat for the Americas, arrives in Haiti. The international community will step up pressure on Haiti's political opposition to drop demands for embattled President Jean Bertrand Aristide's ouster and accept a plan to end the country's escalating political crisis, diplomats said.(AFP/Roberto Schmidt)

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Roger Noriega (4R), Washington's top US diplomat for the Americas, meets with members of the Haitian opposition (R) in Port-au-Prince February 21, 2004. Noriega heads the diplomatic team to press Haiti's President Jean-Bertrand Aristide and the opposition to quickly accept an emergency peace plan aimed at ending the country's increasingly violent political crisis. Haiti's embattled President Jean-Bertrand Aristide agreed on Saturday to a peace plan put forward by U.S.-led foreign mediators to try to end an armed revolt that has capped months of political tension. *******/POOL/Jaime Razuri

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Roger Noriega, right, top U.S. envoy for the Western Hemisphere, attends a news conference at the Montana Hotel, Port- au-Prince, Haiti, Saturday, Feb 21, 2004. President Jean-Bertrand Aristide agreed Saturday to a U.S.-backed peace plan calling for shared power with political opponents, a new prime minister and fresh legislative elections. (AP Photo/Pablo Aneli).

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A rebel soldier patrols the balley in Gonaives, Haiti Saturday, Feb. 21, 2004. President Jean-Bertrand Aristide agreed Saturday to a U.S.-backed peace plan calling for shared power with political opponents, a new prime minister and fresh legislative elections. (AP Photo/Rodrigo Abd)

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Rebel leaders Buteur Metayer, right, and Charles Blain, center, walk in Gonaives, Haiti, after a meeting, Saturday, Feb 21, 2004. Man at left in unidentified. Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide agreed Saturday to a U.S.-backed peace plan calling for shared power with political opponents, a new prime minister and legislative elections, but said he would not negotiate with rebels who have led a bloody two-week-old uprising that has killed more than 60 people and chased police from a score of towns.(AP Photo/Rodrigo Abd)

Dalleer
02-22-2004, 06:24 PM
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Enjoy - Coke...

Or should we say "I'm loving it" ?

mustamato
02-22-2004, 06:27 PM
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Itīs a tragedy going on in Haiti, and I canīt how much I try take it seriously,
they all look like they have been watching too much hip-hop videos or
something. Damn it, :( <- bashing myself.

Itīs not often I think this but US should really send in troops in a larger scale,
but the SF are perhaps there to prepare and recon just for that?

Dalleer
02-22-2004, 06:30 PM
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Itīs a tragedy going on in Haiti, and I canīt how much I try take it seriously,
they all look like they have been watching too much hip-hop videos or
something. Damn it, :( <- bashing myself.

Itīs not often I think this but US should really send in troops in a larger scale,
but the SF are perhaps there to prepare and recon just for that?

Come on, they make a revolution... in style.

Merik
02-22-2004, 06:37 PM
Damn, those are M1s the rebels are using.

Ngati Tumatauenga
02-22-2004, 07:01 PM
Itīs a tragedy going on in Haiti, and I canīt how much I try take it seriously,
they all look like they have been watching too much hip-hop videos or
something. Damn it, <- bashing myself.

Itīs not often I think this but US should really send in troops in a larger scale, :roll:
but the SF are perhaps there to prepare and recon just for that?

Looks like a perfect opportunity for europe to show the rest of the world how military interventions should really be done, with the added ironic bonus of being in the USA's back yard. I'm sure the EU could spare a few units from the 'eurocorp'.

mustamato
02-22-2004, 07:04 PM
Itīs a tragedy going on in Haiti, and I canīt how much I try take it seriously,
they all look like they have been watching too much hip-hop videos or
something. Damn it, <- bashing myself.

Itīs not often I think this but US should really send in troops in a larger scale, :roll:
but the SF are perhaps there to prepare and recon just for that?

Looks like a perfect opportunity for europe to show the rest of the world how military interventions should really be done, with the added ironic bonus of being in the USA's back yard. I'm sure the EU could spare a few units from the 'eurocorp'.

If **** like that was going on in our backyard it would sure as hell be taken
care of immediately. Also, Europe has the possibility to deploy troops in
neighbouring areas easily. Haiti is not exactly in our backyard.

Ngati Tumatauenga
02-22-2004, 07:16 PM
If **** like that was going on in our backyard it would sure as hell be taken
care of immediately.

Like you did in the balkans?.

George W. Bush
02-22-2004, 07:16 PM
LOL WHAT THE ****?

Check out the rebel drinking a coke. He's got a U.S. Air Force Master Sergeant insignia!

Dalleer
02-22-2004, 07:18 PM
LOL WHAT THE f***?

Check out the rebel drinking a coke. He's got a U.S. Air Force Master Sergeant insignia!

His the master sergeant o' da hood!

He be just chillin' wit da homiez...

He219
02-22-2004, 07:21 PM
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;)

Sam Kotzur, 3, from Sydney rests on a model of a giant crocodile at an exhibition at the Australian Museum in Sydney in this September 3, 2003 file photo. A controversial proposal by the Parks and Wildlife Commission of the Northern Territory could see 25 saltwater crocodiles killed each year by professional safari hunters. (Will Burgess/*******)

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A Colombian performs during the first day of carnival in Barranquilla, February 21, 2004. Thousands of people celebrate the carnival festivities in the Caribbean city of Barranquilla. *******/Albeiro Lopera

CARNIVAL!

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Brazilian model Gisele Bundchen, center, dances with samba school Mangueira dancers in Rio de Janeiro, Friday, Feb. 20, 2004. Carnival officially started today. (AP Photo/Renzo Gostoli)

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Young revelers sing during the second day of carnival in Barranquilla, February 22, 2004. Thousands of people are celebrating carnival in the Caribbean port city of Barranquilla and all across Colombia. *******/Albeiro Lopera

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:D

Two Colombians dance during the first day of carnival in Barranquilla February 21, 2004. Thousands of people are celebrating the carnival festivities in the Caribbean city of Barranquilla. *******/Albeiro Lopera

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Brazilian carnival revelers welcome a passenger from the worlds largest ocean liner, the Queen Mary 2, after its arrival to the Port of Rio de Janeiro, February 21, 2004. Cunard's QM2 left Fort Lauderdale, Florida on February 11 with 2,500 passengers. *******/Bruno Domingos

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A man dressed as a card out of the deck of America's most wanted list in Iraq, takes part in the traditional carnival parade in the southern Dutch city of Maastricht Sunday Feb 22, 2004. Name on card is a parody of his own name. (AP Photo/Peter Dejong)

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A natural spectacle was seen on Saturday, Feb. 21, 2004 in Lofer, Austria and in other parts of the alpine country . A violent storm from the south brought sand from the north African Sahara desert, turning the sky dark and yellow. The snow reflects the sky's yellow tones. (AP Photo/Kerstin Joensson)


Alright, back to the serious pic's ......


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A woman skies past a Russian destroyer stuck in the ice on the Moscow River in Moscow, Friday, Feb. 20, 2004. The Moscow city government has brought the mothballed destroyer and a submarine to the Russian capital to set up a naval museum. (AP Photo/Mikhail Metzel)

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Russian Interrior Ministry soldier stands at a checkpoint in Grozny. Russian officials say Chechnya is stablizing and that it's safe for refugees to return, but misery and fear still afflict the ruined republic. Poster at right reads "Driver! Stop the car, open the trunk and prepair everything to the check". (AP Photo/Ivan Sekretarev)


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Chechen women clean a sidewalk in Grozny. Russian officials say Chechnya is stablizing and that it's safe for refugees to return, but misery and fear still afflict the ruined republic. (AP Photo/Ivan Sekretarev)

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Chechen police officers flirt with girls in a newly built park in downtown Grozny. Russian officials say Chechnya is stablizing and that it's safe for refugees to return, but misery and fear still afflict the ruined republic. (AP Photo/Ivan Sekretarev)

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An unidentified Chechen boy plays with pistol toys in his family tent in refugee camp in Karabulak, Ingushetia. Russian officials say Chechnya is stablizing and that it's safe for refugees to return, but misery and fear still afflict the ruined republic. (AP Photo/Ivan Sekretarev)

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An Israeli soldier is carried by comrades to Hadassah Ein Kerem hospital, in Jerusalem, Friday Feb. 20, 2004. Three Israeli soldiers were wounded by friendly fire while the troops were conducting a training exercise in the West Bank city of Hebron. The shooting happened in a road known as Worshippers Way, leading from Hebron to the nearby Jewish settlement of Kiryat Arba, an area where tensions run high, with some 500 Jewish settlers living in small enclaves in the city of 130,000 Palestinians. (AP Photo/Oded Balilty)

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A Palestinian man negotiates his way through an Israeli Border police officers checkpoint, in the southern West Bank city of Hebron, Friday Feb. 20, 2004. (AP Photo/Nasser Shiyoukhi)

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Israeli army soldiers block the road to Palestinian and foreign protesters demonstrating against Israel's construction of a massive barrier sealing off parts of the territory, in the northern West Bank village of Masa, Saturday Feb. 21, 2004. Palestinians turned out for noisy street demonstrations across the West Bank on Saturday, to protest Israel's construction of the barrier. (AP Photo/Mohammed Azba)

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A Palestinian militant member of the Al- Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, an offshoot of Yasser Arafat (news - web sites)'s Fatah (news - web sites) movement, holds his gun during a demonstration against Israel's security barrier in the West Bank city of Nablus(AFP/Samer Ashtiyeh)

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A Palestinian woman with her child walks next to an Israeli solider as he takes up a position in the West Bank town of Hebron February 21,2004. The Palestinian Authority (news - web sites) on Saturday criticized 12 Arab countries for not submitting legal arguments to the World Court asking it to declare Israel's West Bank barrier illegal. *******/ Loay Abu Haykel

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Israel began dismantling a small section of its West Bank barrier on Sunday, a day before the World Court opens hearings into the legality of the project. This general view shows the concrete wall around West Bank city of Baqa el-Sharqiya which separates the area from Israel and rest of the West Bank February 21, 2004. *******/Reinhard Krause

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A view of the partially constructed 8-meter-tall cement wall , part of the barrier Israel is building to separate the outskirts of Jerusalem, foreground, from the West Bank, seen in the Palestinian village of Abu Dis Saturday Feb. 21, 2004. On Sunday, Israeli workers will begin removing a part of the barrier - about 8 kilometers (5 miles) of fencing, razor wire and trenches - that has isolated the Palestinian town of Baka al-Sharkia from the rest of the West Bank. (AP Photo/Lefteris Pitarakis)

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Amnah Al-Mghairi, right, the mother of slain Osama Al-Mghairi, is comforted by her other son, name not available, after identifying his body at the hospital of the Al-Bureij refugee camp, in the central Gaza Strip (news - web sites), Saturday, Feb. 22, 2004. Israeli soldiers shot and killed Al-Mghairi, a policeman with the Palestinian Authority (news - web sites), before dawn in an off-limits military zone near a fence between Israel and the Gaza Strip, the Israeli military said. (AP Photo/Hatem Moussa)

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Relatives and comrades of slain Osama Al-Mghairi, sit outside the hospital of the Al-Bureij refugee camp, where his body had been brought, in the central Gaza Strip (news - web sites), Saturday, Feb. 21, 2004. Israeli soldiers shot and killed Al-Mghairi, a policeman with the Palestinian Authority (news - web sites), before dawn in an off-limits military zone near a fence between Israel and the Gaza Strip, the Israeli military said. (AP Photo/Hatem Moussa)

Construction Workers Dismantle parts of Israeli Seperation Wall
Last Updated: 22 Feb 2004 07:51 AM

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BAQA AL SHARQIYA , WEST BANK - FEBRUARY 22: (ISRAEL OUT) Israeli contraction workers dismantle part of Israel's controversial separation barrier next to the Palestinian village of Baqa Al Sharqiya in the west bank. The section of wall that is being removed will return Baka al-Sharqiya back inside the West Bank, after a year of isolation (Photo by Uriel Sinai/***** Images)

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An Israeli security man guards workers as they dismantle a small part of an eight - kilometer stretch of Israel's separation fence, east of the West Bank village of Baka al-Sharkia, near the Palestinian village of Kafin Sunday, Feb. 22, 2004. Israel has come under increasing pressure, even domestic legal challenges, to reroute the barrier to more closely conform to its border with the West Bank and lessen the impact on the lives of Palestinians. (AP Photo/Ariel Schalit)

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Israeli workers using a crane remove a watchtower from the separation barrier as they start tearing down a small part of an eight - kilometer stretch of the fence, east of the northern West Bank village of Baka al-Sharkia, Sunday, Feb. 22, 2004. On the eve of world court hearings in the Hague, Netherlands, Israel's West Bank barrier took center stage Sunday with Israel tearing down sections of fence in an effort to reroute the barrier closer to its border with the West Bank and lessen the impact on the lives of Palestinians. (AP Photo/Muhammed Azba)

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This is an aerial view of a Jewish settlement in the northern West Bank, Tuesday Feb. 17, 2004. Israel will seek to retain major settlement blocs in the West Bank, but will dismantle settlements close to Palestinian towns and villages ``wherever possible,'' Israel's vice premier Ehud Olmert said Friday Feb. 20, 2004. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites) has said he is ready to remove virtually all the Gaza Strip (news - web sites) settlements and several in the West Bank as part of a unilateral ``disengagement'' from the Palestinians. (AP Photo/Lefteris Pitarakis)


Suicide Bomber Attacks Bus In Jerusalem
Last Updated: 22 Feb 2004 12:00 AM

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Rescue personnel and police gather around a bombed bus, center, struck by a suicide bombing attack, as seen in this aerial view of the scene, in Jerusalem Sunday Feb. 22, 2004. A suicide bomber blew himself up on the crowded Jerusalem bus, killing at least seven people and wounding more than 60, 11 of them seriously, police and rescue workers said. The Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, a militant group loosely affiliated with Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement, claimed responsibility for the attack and identified the bomber as Mohammed Zool, 23, from the village of Hussan near the biblical city of Bethlehem. (AP Photo)

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Medical workers carry a wounded Israeli soldier, still holding his automatic rifle, to an ambulance at the scene of a suicide bombing attack in a Jerusalem bus Sunday Feb. 22, 2004. A suicide bomber blew himself up on the crowded Jerusalem bus , killing at least seven people and wounding more than 60, 11 of them seriously, police and rescue workers said. There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the attack. (AP Photo/Oded Balilty)

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Police investigators work at the scene of a suicide bombing attack on a Jerusalem bus, Sunday Feb. 22, 2004. A suicide bomber blew himself up on the crowded Jerusalem bus , killing at least seven people and wounding more than 60, 11 of them seriously, police and rescue workers said. The Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, a militant group loosely affiliated with Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement, claimed responsibility for the attack and identified the bomber as Mohammed Zool, 23, from the village of Hussan near the biblical city of Bethlehem. (AP Photo/Oded Balilty)

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A police investigator stands in front of the shattered windows of a bus that was struck by a suicide bombing attack, in Jerusalem, Sunday Feb. 22, 2004. A suicide bomber blew himself up on the crowded Jerusalem bus , killing at least seven people and wounding more than 60, 11 of them seriously, police and rescue workers said. The Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, a militant group loosely affiliated with Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement, claimed responsibility for the attack and identified the bomber as Mohammed Zool, 23, from the village of Hussan near the biblical city of Bethlehem. (AP Photo/Kevin Frayer)

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In this picture released by the family Sunday Feb. 22, 2004, in the West Bank village of Hussan, Mohammed Zool, 23, the suspected suicide bomber of Sunday's blast in a Jerusalem bus is seen. The suicide bomber blew himself up on the crowded Jerusalem bus , killing at least seven people and wounding more than 60, 11 of them seriously, police and rescue workers said. The Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, a militant group loosely affiliated with Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement, claimed responsibility for the attack. (AP Photo)

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Soldiers mourn at a gravesite during the funeral of Israeli army Staff Sgt. Netanel Habshush, 20, at Mt. Herzl military cemetery in Jerusalem, Sunday, Feb. 22, 2004. Habshush was killed when a suicide bomber blew himself up on a crowded Jerusalem bus , killing at least eight people and wounding more than 60, 11 of them seriously, police and rescue workers said. The Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, a militant group loosely affiliated with Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement, claimed responsibility for the attack and identified the bomber as Mohammed Zool, 23, from the village of Hussan near the biblical city of Bethlehem. (AP Photo/Kevin Frayer)

RIP
:(

Seoulstriker
02-22-2004, 07:31 PM
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priceless! :D

He219
02-22-2004, 07:59 PM
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Volunteer waitresses wait for pancakes to be cooked for free distribution, while a cook flips a pancake, during a festival to mark the end of an entire week devoted to pancakes in Moscow's Red Square, Sunday, Feb. 22, 2004. Eating pancakes before Lent begins is a tradition in Russia, where it is called Maslyanitsa (derived from the Russian word for butter). St. Basil's Cathedral cathedral is seen in the background. (AP Photo/ Sergey Ponomarev)

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Haitian rebel leader Guy Philippe is greeted as he arrives at Mon Joli Hotel in Cap-Haitien, Haiti, Sunday, Feb. 22, 2004. Rebels captured Haiti's second-largest city with little resistance Sunday, their biggest prize in a two-week uprising that has driven government forces from half the country. Man front left is unidentified. (AP Photo/Walter Astrada)

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Orthodox Jewish Rabbis stand in front of the Peace Palace at The Hague, Netherlands Sunday Feb. 22, 2004. Monday the International Court of Justice will render an advisory opinion on the legal consequences rising from the construction by Israel of the security barrier. (AP Photo/Serge Ligtenberg)

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Soldiers in an armored vehicle look for weapons and munitions on a former Iraqi Army Base in Ramadi, Iraq. The Soldiers are assigned to the 1st Infantry Division's Company B, 1st Battalion, 116th Infantry Regiment. U.S. Army photo by Sgt. Lee Davis.

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A paratrooper communicates through a tactical radio during a response to shots being fired in Fallujah, Iraq. The Soldier is assigned to the 82nd Airborne Division's Company B , 1st Battalion, 505th Parachute Infantry Regiment. He was helping provide security for a meeting between Gen. John Abizaid, commander of the U.S. Central Command, and the Al Fallujah Council. U.S. Army photo by Staff Sgt. Charles B. Johnson.


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A US Army convoy drives on a highway South of Kuwait City on Saturday, Feb. 21, 2004. A quarter of a million soldiers are passing through Kuwait on their way to or from Iraq in the coming weeks, the largest such rotation of U.S. forces in history according to military planners. (AP Photo/Gustavo Ferrari)

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Soldiers from the 25th Infantry Division’s 2nd Brigade Combat Team recently convoyed more than 500 miles in a four-day period before arriving at their command posts in Northern Iraq. About 600 vehicles made the journey from Kuwait to Kirkuk and arrived safely with all personnel and equipment. They did not receive any enemy contact probably because they traveled in well-organized groups with combat power focused throughout the group, presenting intimidating force at every stop. The possibility of hazards along the route wouldn't have stopped any groups from moving, since convoys are the best solution to haul vehicles and equipment to forward operating bases.

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ROBINS AIR FORCE BASE, Ga. -- Strategic airlift directorate officials here are at the center of an ongoing effort to step up aircraft and parts production to support Air Mobility Command during the largest rotation of U.S. forces since World War II. The effort is scheduled to last several months. (U.S. Air Force photo by Sue Sapp)

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BAGHDAD, IRAQ - FEBRUARY 22: U.S. Army Maj. David Vacchi (C), with the Fourth Infantry Division, speaks with Sunni and Shia Muslim community leaders at a weekly lunch with the U.S. military and Iraqis February 22, 2004 in Baghdad, Iraq. At the lunches, which feature lavish displays of local food, complaints, suggestions and community development projects are discussed. (Photo by Spencer Platt/***** Images)

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BAGHDAD, IRAQ - FEBRUARY 22: Soldiers with the U.S. Army Fourth Infantry Division eat lunch with Sunni and Shia Muslim community leaders at a weekly meeting with the U.S. military and Iraqis February 22, 2004 in Baghdad, Iraq. At the lunches, which feature lavish displays of local food, complaints, suggestions and community development projects are discussed. (Photo by Spencer Platt/***** Images)

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BAGHDAD, IRAQ - FEBRUARY 22: Soldiers with the U.S. Army Fourth Infantry Division eat lunch with Sunni and Shia Muslim community leaders at a weekly meeting with the U.S. military and Iraqis February 22, 2004 in Baghdad, Iraq. At the lunches, which feature lavish displays of local food, complaints, suggestions and community development projects are discussed. (Photo by Spencer Platt/***** Images)

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BAGHDAD, IRAQ - FEBRUARY 22: Under a portrait of former Shia leader Al Hakeem, U.S. Army Col. David Hogg (C), with the Fourth Infantry Division, eats lunch with Sunni and Shia Muslim community leaders at a weekly meeting between the U.S. military and Iraqis February 22, 2004 in Baghdad, Iraq. At the lunches, which feature lavish displays of local food, complaints, suggestions and community development projects are discussed. (Photo by Spencer Platt/***** Images)

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Iraqis pick over the remains of a civilian car which was attacked near Haswa, 40 kilometers (25 miles) south of Baghdad Saturday Feb. 21, 2004. Insurgents fired on a U.S. military convoy killing an Iraqi translator and wounding four American soldiers, the U.S. command in Baghdad said. No other details were available. (AP Photo/Brennan Linsley)

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Iraqis remove the remains of a civilian car which was attacked near Haswa, 40 kilometers (25 miles) south of Baghdad Saturday Feb. 21, 2004. Insurgents fired on a U.S. military convoy killing an Iraqi translator and wounding four American soldiers, the U.S. command in Baghdad said. No other details were available. (AP Photo/Brennan Linsley)


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An unidentified Japanese official (center) is escorted back to his vehicle under an Iraqi Police security following his meeting with local officials and Dutch military in Samawa, 360 kilometers southeast of Baghdad, Iraq Saturday Feb. 21, 2004. The Japanese forces are here on humanitarian mission in Iraq following the ouster of dictator Saddam Hussein and listed health, education and water as their top three priorities in rebuilding Samawa.(AP Photo/Bullit Marquez)

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Two Afghan soldiers guard a helicopter that a lone attacker opened fire on Sunday, Feb. 22, 2004 in Thaloqan, 65 kilometers (40 miles) southwest of Kandahar, southern Afghanistan. The attacker opened fire on the helicopter as it sat on the ground Sunday, killing the Australian pilot and wounding an American woman who was helping set up health clinics in the region, officials said. (AP Photo/Noor Khan)

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Sgt. Maj. Thomas Capel, with the 82nd Airborne Division, 1st Brigade Command, says a prayer on Wednesday in front of a memorial set up for Pvt. Bryan Nicholas Spry at Forward Operating Base Steel Falcon in Baghdad. Spry, 19, of Chestertown, Md., died when his Humvee rolled into a water-filled ditch in Baghdad. He was a member of the Fort Bragg, N.C.-based Delta Co., 1st Battalion, 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment.

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Pvt. Kyle Servedio, with Co. A, 2nd Battalion, 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division, plays “Taps” as members of the 504th salute during a memorial for Pvt. Bryan Nicholas Spry, on Wednesday. Spry had been in the military only since he graduated from Kent County High School in Maryland last spring.

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Spc. Paul Worsley welcomes back Sgt. Eric Jackson from duty in Iraq on Thursday in Fort Lauderdale, Fla. Dozens of reservists with the 724th Military Police Battalion returned to South Florida on Thursday following a year spent managing the largest U.S.-run detention facility in Iraq.

Skaman
02-22-2004, 08:00 PM
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priceless! :D


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THIS is PRICELESS.

mustamato
02-22-2004, 08:14 PM
If **** like that was going on in our backyard it would sure as hell be taken
care of immediately.

Like you did in the balkans?.

Exactly, as was done in Macedonia in example. Europe has learned its lesson,
a war like the one in Yugoslavia canīt be ignored anyway. It affected Europe
with millions of refugees and so forth. It was mainly because of the lessons
learned that the Eurocorps was formed in the first place.

http://www.eurocorps.org/

venture160
02-22-2004, 08:42 PM
hmmm look at Hati, a rebel takeover is goin on right now in our own backyard and the us isn't doing ****

George W. Bush
02-22-2004, 08:50 PM
Not our backyard. They can declare independence any time they want. They just won't be getting any money from us.

Vance
02-22-2004, 08:52 PM
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You don't see many Palestinians packin' this kinda heat, where do you think he got it?

MVSpartan117
02-22-2004, 08:55 PM
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You don't see many Palestinians packin' this kinda heat, where do you think he got it?

Yeah that is kind of odd...

MVSpartan117
02-22-2004, 08:57 PM
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Do you think they got that Blackhawk (That is blackhawk right?) riot vest from a killed Haitian police officer?

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02-22-2004, 08:58 PM
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Royal Navy explosive ordnance disposal experts cleared Second World War shells from a Norfolk beach in February as part of a continuing programme both to provide training for the personnel and to dispose safely of wartime munitions still to be found on old ranges.

The men from Southern Diving Unit 2, based in Portsmouth, searched the beach near Holme-next-the-Sea, which saw use during the war as an artillery training range. A number of old shells, both inert practice rounds and live 25pdr high explosive rounds, were successfully located and disposed of safely. As well as providing 24 hour Explosive Ordnance Disposal expertise around the country, often in support of the police, EOD teams from all three Services maintain a programme of routine clearance work at former military ranges to dispose of any potentially hazardous legacies.


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Marines from 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit’s Maritime Special Purpose Force execute a helicopter borne raid using the fast rope technique during the MEU’s Interoperability Exercise here at the Military Operations in Urban Terrain (MOUT) facility, Feb. 13. The purpose of the raid was to allow the MSPF Marines to combine what they learned in the fast rope course and in urban training and apply it to a real world scenario.

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Maj. Shane Conrad, Marine Tactical Electronic Warfare Squadron 4 pilot, receives a warm welcome as he arrives in Thailand Feb. 11, as a participant in Exercise Cope Tiger 2004.

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Sgt. Sherry D. Williams, Marksmanship Training Unit, Headquarters Battalion, is the only female precision weapons repairer in the Marine Corps. Willismas underwent three years of on the job training at Quantico, VA before being stationed in Twentynine Palms, Calif.

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CAMP GONSALVES, Okinawa, Japan – Led by Seaman Frederick Brodie, a team of five corpsmen from 1st Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment makes their way through the jungles surrounding Camp Gonsalves. The single and double canopy jungle terrain at JWTC helps to build confidence in servicemembers.

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Daytona, Fla. (Feb. 14, 2004) – Aircrew assigned to the Naval Air Station Oceana-based “Tomcatters” of Fighter Squadron Three One (VF-31) take an opportunity to meet with the Commander-in-Chief, President George W. Bush during opening events at the 2004 Daytona 500. U.S. Navy F-14D “Tomcats” completed a ‘flyover’ during the opening ceremonies. U.S. Navy photo. (RELEASED)

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Pacific Ocean (Feb. 19, 2004) – An F/A-18F Super Hornet assigned to the “Diamondbacks” of Strike Fighter Squadron One Zero Two (VFA-102) catches the Number three arresting wire becoming the first Super Hornet to land aboard USS Kitty Hawk (CV 63). Lt. Cmdr. Stephen Higuera, with Capt. Joey Aucoin, Commander, Carrier Air Wing 5, in the rear seat, piloted the notable achievement. The Super Hornet is replacing the F-14 Tomcat on carrier decks throughout the Navy. Currently under way in the 7th Fleet Area of Responsibility (AOR), the aircraft carrier Kitty Hawk is the World's only permanently forward-deployed aircraft carrier, operating from Yokosuka, Japan. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer’s Mate Airman Theron Godbold. (RELEASED)

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Members of an elite Greek Navy unit aboard a speedboat conduct a security exercise near the island of Fleves near Athens on Wednesday Feb. 18, 2004. A six-man team of frogmen took part in a live-ammunition exercise in preparation for the Aug. 13-29 Olympics, when they will be deployed at several ports during the games. (AP Photo/Dimitri Messinis)

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Members of an elite Greek Navy unit exit the water during a security exercise on the island of Fleves near Athens on Wednesday, Feb. 18, 2004. A six-man team of frogmen took part in a live-ammunition exercise in preparation for the Aug.13-29 Olympics, when they will be deployed at several ports during the games. (AP Photo/Dimitri Messinis)

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Members of an elite Greek Navy unit, dressed in camouflage, conduct a security exercise on the island of Fleves near Athens on Wednesday, Feb. 18, 2004. A six-man team of frogmen took part in a live-ammunition exercise in preparation for the Aug.13-29 Olympics, when they will be deployed at several ports during the games. (AP Photo/Dimitri Messinis)


http://wwwi.*******.com/images/2004-02-21T160931Z_01_HAT01D_RTRIDSP_2_HAITI.jpg

A U.S. special forces soldier motions journalists away at the airport of the Port-au-Prince, Haiti, February 21, 2004, as Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs Roger Noriega, was due to arrive to broker an end to political tensions that have erupted into armed revolt. Noriega and delegates from Canada, France, the Americas and the Caribbean were holding talks with President Jean-Bertrand Aristide and his political opponents in the capital. The armed revolt that began on February 5 has killed more than 50 people. *******/Daniel Aguilar

ArmedPacifist
02-22-2004, 09:09 PM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040221/capt.sge.mhw53.210204194913.photo02.default-395x258.jpg

You don't see many Palestinians packin' this kinda heat, where do you think he got it?

Yeah that is kind of odd...

He's also got an IDF vest on.

This stuff is not impossible to get....

He219
02-22-2004, 09:11 PM
hmmm look at Hati, a rebel takeover is goin on right now in our own backyard and the us isn't doing ****


http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040222/i/r973634042.jpg
A U.S. special forces soldier guards the car of Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs Roger Noriega, as he leaves inconclusive talks on February 21, 2004, in the Haitian capital Port-au-Prince, with the government and opposition leaders. Noriega, and delegates from Canada, France, the Americas and the Caribbean presented a peace plan to President Jean-Bertrand Aristide and his political opponents to end political tensions that erupted over two weeks ago in an armed revolt in which more than 50 people have died. Aristide agreed to the peace proposal, but the opposition was reluctant to sign up because it did not involve the president stepping down. *******/Daniel Aguilar

Rebel commander Jean-Baptiste Joseph, formerly head of an association of ex-soldiers, declared Haiti's disbanded army had liberated Cap-Haitien.

"It's the army that's in charge here. It's the army that will free Haiti."

He confirmed the attackers were led by Philippe, a former police chief who has threatened for days to attack Cap-Haitien.

Also in town was Louis-Jodel Chamblain, co-leader of an army death squad that killed hundreds.

Philippe also was an officer in the army when it ousted Aristide in 1991 and instigated a reign of terror until the United States sent 20,000 troops in 1994 to end the military dictatorship and halt an exodus of boat people to Florida.

The United States, which blames Aristide for the crisis, has made clear it has no appetite for a new military adventure in Haiti.

Instead, diplomats on Saturday presented a U.S.-backed peace plan that was accepted by the beleaguered Aristide but resisted by the opposition coalition Democratic Platform, which says any plan must include Aristide's resignation.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=589&ncid=716&e=2&u=/ap/20040223/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/haiti_uprising

fred_engles
02-22-2004, 09:11 PM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040221/capt.sge.mhw53.210204194913.photo02.default-395x258.jpg

You don't see many Palestinians packin' this kinda heat, where do you think he got it?Unfortunately, the most likely scenario is that he got it off the body of an Israeli soldier. Quite possibly SF at that (just judging by the accessories on the rifle).

He219
02-22-2004, 11:14 PM
http://www.centcom.mil/galleries/Front_Page_Photos/February/02_22_04.jpg

A soldier assigned to Company B , 1/505 Parachute Infantry Regiment 82d Airborne Division scans the rooftops looking for anticolition insurgents at the Al Fallujah Youth Center Complex while providing security for a meeting with General John Abizaid Commander United States Central Command and the Al Fallujah Council during Operation Iraqi Freedom. (U.S. Army photo by Staff Sgt. Charles B. Johnson)

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A US F-15C fighter, bottom, and an Indian Sukhoi-30 fighter fly in air combat maneuver during a joint air exercise over Gwalior, India, in this undated Feb. 2004 photo. Indian and American fighter aircraft soared over the central Indian city in their biggest ever-joint air exercise as part of widening military cooperation between the two nations, media and officials said. (AP Photo/Indian Air Force/Handout)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040221/capt.xdel10102211558.india_us_air_exercises_xdel101.jpg

An U.S. F-15C fighter, front, and two Indian Sukhoi-30 fighter planes fly in close formation during a joint air exercise over Gwalior, India, in this undated Feb. 2004 photo. Indian and American fighter aircraft soared over the central Indian city in their biggest ever joint air exercise as part of widening military cooperation between the two nations, media and officials said. In the background is the River Chambal. (AP Photo/Indian Air Force/Handout)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040220/capt.sge.lwv99.200204062839.photo00.default-384x224.jpg

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=545158

An Indian Air Force personnel stands near the wreckage of a crashed MIG-21 fighter near the village of Lakha Paval, 16 kilometers (10 miles) north of Jamnagar, in the western Indian state of Gujarat, Friday, Feb. 20, 2004. (AP Photo/Divyakant Solanki)

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Indian Air Force personnel stand near the debris of a Mig-21 fighter that crashed into a village in Lakhabawal, 350 Km (217 miles) west of the western Indian city of Ahmedabad (news - web sites) February 20, 2004. Three people were killed and 15 others injured on Friday when the jet crashed into a village, authorities said. *******/Amit Dave

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An Indian Air Force officer looks at the debris of a Mig-21 fighter that crashed into a village in Lakhabawal, 350 Km (217 miles) west of the western Indian city of Ahmedabad (news - web sites) February 20, 2004. Three people were killed and 15 others injured in the accident, authorities said. *******/Amit Dave

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=539130

An Israeli army officer walks next to part of the wreckage of a military Skyhawk jet which crashed in an olive grove near the West Bank village of Yatta, south of Hebron. An Israeli air force jet on a routine training mission crashed near Hebron on Wednesday, and the pilot ejected safely, the military said. (AP Photo/Nasser Shiyoukhi)

http://www.centcom.mil/galleries/Front_Page_Photos/February/02_21_04.jpg

Ltc. Gaffer, commander of the Afghan Militia Forces (AMF) Frontier Battalion shakes hands with Col. Hussein, commandant of the Pakistani Army's Touchi Scouts upon completion of a border security meeting held on the afghan side of border checkpoint #3 in the Khowst Province, February 14th, 2004. The U.S. brokered meeting was held to improve relations between Afghanistan and Pakistan, and stop the cross border flow of terrorist and their means of support in this region. Border security is crucial to operation Enduring Freedom, the global war on terror. (U.S. Army Photo by Sgt. 1st Class Joe Belcher)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040222/capt.sge.mjc26.220204052213.photo00.default-307x384.jpg

Reports (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/britain_us_attacks) say that US and British special forces have cornered Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) in a mountainous area in northwest Pakistan(AFP/File)

ExtraT
02-22-2004, 11:16 PM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040221/capt.sge.mhw53.210204194913.photo02.default-395x258.jpg

You don't see many Palestinians packin' this kinda heat, where do you think he got it?Unfortunately, the most likely scenario is that he got it off the body of an Israeli soldier. Quite possibly SF at that (just judging by the accessories on the rifle).

This is just stuff for show. Pals have all sorts of weaponry (we made sure of that, in our time :( ), so there is nothing special about it.

mustamato
02-22-2004, 11:17 PM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040221/capt.xdel10302211547.india_us_air_exercises_xdel103.jpg

Whoa nice pic. Wasnīt the Su-27/Su-30 pretty much developed to counter
the F-15? And these Su-27 vs F-15 debates on Internet forums are quite
common as well. Didnīt know that India had the Su-30īs though.

Ngati Tumatauenga
02-22-2004, 11:28 PM
Exactly, as was done in Macedonia in example. Europe has learned its lesson,
a war like the one in Yugoslavia canīt be ignored anyway. It affected Europe
with millions of refugees and so forth. It was mainly because of the lessons
learned that the Eurocorps was formed in the first place.


Thats interesting because I could have sworn the situation in the balkans was for all intents and purposes ignored or perhaps underestimated by 'greater europe' to begin with and even when the EU, etc did wake up it was the Americans who were finally able to sort it out both militarily (IFOR) and politically (Dayton peace accord). They certainlly didn't achieve it single-handed, but........

mustamato
02-22-2004, 11:32 PM
Exactly, as was done in Macedonia in example. Europe has learned its lesson,
a war like the one in Yugoslavia canīt be ignored anyway. It affected Europe
with millions of refugees and so forth. It was mainly because of the lessons
learned that the Eurocorps was formed in the first place.


Thats interesting because I could have sworn the situation in the balkans was for all intents and purposes ignored or perhaps underestimated by 'greater europe' to begin with and even when the EU, etc did wake up it was the Americans who were finally able to sort it out both militarily (IFOR) and politically (Dayton peace accord). They certainlly didn't achieve it single-handed, but........

Yes and do you realize the difference between then and now? If not, read
my post one more time. Then it was not taken seriously before it got out
of hand, now it will be taken care of before it does get out of control.

Ngati Tumatauenga
02-23-2004, 12:06 AM
If **** like that was going on in our backyard it would sure as hell be taken
care of immediately.

and


Exactly, as was done in Macedonia in example. Europe has learned its lesson,
a war like the one in Yugoslavia canīt be ignored anyway. It affected Europe
with millions of refugees and so forth. It was mainly because of the lessons
learned that the Eurocorps was formed in the first place.


Oh, so your saying that europe couldn't or wouldn't then but that it can now?. Irrespective of which it still came down to the US taking the lead in solving the problem. Not to mention removing Serbia as a threat to the greater balkans, again not single handed however how much could have been done without them?, or perhaps more to the point when would anything have been achieved

mustamato
02-23-2004, 12:12 AM
Oh, so your saying that europe couldn't or wouldn't then but that it can now?.

Yes. And more importantly the will is there today, I donīt think any
european politican is interested in seeing his country being flooded
by hundreds of thousands of refugees, that costs billions and billions
to take care of. Not to mention the billions of billions to rebuild the
country which comes as good as all from EU-countries. Simply, today
the will to stop it before it gets out of hand is there. It wasnīt then,
because the consequenses was not understood fully.

The difference then and now is simply spelled Eurocorps that is available
as a rapid reaction unit with 60.000 soldiers, this has been available since
the beginning of the new millennium. So comparing with the situation in the
90īs is pretty much irrelevant.

He219
02-23-2004, 12:19 AM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040221/capt.sge.mhw53.210204194913.photo02.default-395x258.jpg

You don't see many Palestinians packin' this kinda heat, where do you think he got it?Unfortunately, the most likely scenario is that he got it off the body of an Israeli soldier. Quite possibly SF at that (just judging by the accessories on the rifle).

This is just stuff for show. Pals have all sorts of weaponry (we made sure of that, in our time :( ), so there is nothing special about it.

What type of NV is on that M4?

http://www.idf.il/idf_in_pictures/images/2003/december/dotz-23.12.03-02.jpg
http://www.idf.il/idf_in_pictures/images/2003/december/dotz-23.12.03-05.jpg

Rifles belonging to the three IDF soldiers killed by terrorist gunfire in Ain Yabrud on Oct. 19, 2003, and an additional rifle of an IDF soldier killed in Ain Yabrud were found in the possession of 22 Hamas operatives. - IDF December 23, 2003 (http://www.idf.il/newsite/english/122303-5.stm)

He219
02-23-2004, 12:44 AM
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South Korean soldiers salute the national flag at a ceremony marking the formation of the unit for dispatch to Iraq (news - web sites) in Kwangju, Kyonggi province, some 40 km (25 miles) southeast of Seoul, February 23, 2004. The 3,000 troops, in addition to the 600 already stationed in Iraq, will be deployed to the oil-rich region of Kirkuk in April for reconstruction work. *******/Lee Jae-Won

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The commander of the United States Forces Korea, General Leon LaPorte, salutes the South Korean national flag at a ceremony to mark the Korean troop's formation for additional dispatch to Iraq (news - web sites) in Kwangju, Kyonggi province, about 40 km (25 miles) southeast of Seoul, February 23, 2004. The 3,000 troops, in addition to the 600 already stationed in Iraq, will be deployed to oil-rich region of Kirkuk in April for reconstruction work. *******/Lee Jae-Won

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040223/i/r1302729452.jpg

South Korean female soldiers carry rifles at a ceremony to mark the unit's formation for additional dispatch to Iraq (news - web sites), in Kwangju, some 40km (25 miles) southeast of Seoul, February 23, 2004. The 3,000 troops, in addition to the 600 already stationed in Iraq, will be deployed to oil-rich region of Kirkuk in April for reconstruction work. *******/Lee Jae-Won

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040223/i/r4145291387.jpg

South Korean soldiers cheer at a ceremony to mark the unit's formation for additional dispatch to Iraq (news - web sites), in Kwangju, some 40km (25 miles) southeast of Seoul, February 23, 2004. The 3,000 troops, in addition to the 600 already stationed in Iraq, will be deployed to oil-rich region of Kirkuk in April for reconstruction work. *******/Lee Jae-Won

ibstolidude
02-23-2004, 01:16 AM
Itīs a tragedy going on in Haiti, and I canīt how much I try take it seriously,
they all look like they have been watching too much hip-hop videos or
something. Damn it, <- bashing myself.

Itīs not often I think this but US should really send in troops in a larger scale, :roll:
but the SF are perhaps there to prepare and recon just for that?

Looks like a perfect opportunity for europe to show the rest of the world how military interventions should really be done, with the added ironic bonus of being in the USA's back yard. I'm sure the EU could spare a few units from the 'eurocorp'.

If **** like that was going on in our backyard it would sure as hell be taken
care of immediately. Also, Europe has the possibility to deploy troops in
neighbouring areas easily. Haiti is not exactly in our backyard.Really? Unfortunately history does not agree with you about your own "back yard".

ibstolidude
02-23-2004, 02:01 AM
If **** like that was going on in our backyard it would sure as hell be taken
care of immediately.

Like you did in the balkans?.

Exactly, as was done in Macedonia in example. Europe has learned its lesson,
a war like the one in Yugoslavia canīt be ignored anyway. It affected Europe
with millions of refugees and so forth. It was mainly because of the lessons
learned that the Eurocorps was formed in the first place.

http://www.eurocorps.org/
You have no idea what you are talking about.

Eurocorp was founded in 1992 at the La Rochelle Summit and was based off the 1989 French-German Brigade. The formation of Eurocorps had NOTHING to do with the Balkan conflict. It was based on german-franco reconciliation (beginning talks in 1963 w/Elysee treaty) and then ultametly to defense cooperation.
And they moved into Macedonia and to KFOR 3 HQ at the request of NATO. Which is key as they exist as an RRC (NATO Rapid Reaction Corp) & rely on NATO logistics and C2. Granted they also fall under the ESDp (European Security and Defense Policy)/ CFSP under pillar 2 of the EU; but even the ESDP relies heavily on NATO and the UK, as they did both when deployed as the HQ for KFOR3(2000). They only made up 350 or so troops spread between Pristina (film city), Albania, other balkan states, Skopje (Gazella) and few LNO postings around. The reason Eurocorp was present as the insurgents pushed into FYROM out of Presevo is because FYROM / Skopje area (in particular) was a main location of their forces (as was the US base Camp Able Sentry). That is the reason why the forces were utilized, as were US forces operating under a Status Of Forces Agreement at the request of the FYROM gov. I have some great friends that were all fuuckered in Tetova during this time. The operations in Northern Macedonia were NATO operations: 2001 Task Force FOX/amber FOX, Essential Harvest and Allied Harmony . The NATO mandate ended and the EU (not EUROCORP) was given the mission (Concordia) USING NATO Logistics in 2003 and ended in December of the same year! Several NATO Advisory teams reamained with them as did/does an HQ from NATO's KFOR. The mission began with NATO 2 years prior! The EU under the ESDP has the ERRF the is not EUROCORP.

Now the EU's EDSP have deployed POLICE OFFICERS in support of ongoing operations and training in the Balkans to include replacing UN IPT in areas of Bosnia and ISO of Macedonia after the conclsion of the EU's Concordia.

Ngati Tumatauenga
02-23-2004, 02:12 AM
A technique known as 'selective memory' I believe stoli.

Interesting that you appear mostly concerned with money being spent and 'foreigners' 'flooding' your country mustamato. Heaven forbid that finland's, or the EU's, gene pool become tainted by refugees.

How humanitarian of you.

mind you....


Itīs a tragedy going on in Haiti, and I canīt how much I try take it seriously

Steve Andrews
02-23-2004, 06:16 AM
I bet he:
http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=545751

would love to be here:
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040222/i/r3664697205.jpg

Haiw
02-23-2004, 08:33 AM
http://www.centcom.mil/galleries/Front_Page_Photos/February/02_21_04.jpg
bastardchild is so gonna drool on these.... :)

ExtraT
02-24-2004, 12:57 AM
What type of NV is on that M4?


Probably an Aquila.

http://www.isayeret.com/optics/aquila/aquila.htm

They don't mount them on M4's though (at least not in my days). Usually designated marksmen use them on M16A3.

He219
02-24-2004, 02:02 PM
What type of NV is on that M4?


Probably an Aquila.

http://www.isayeret.com/optics/aquila/aquila.htm

They don't mount them on M4's though (at least not in my days). Usually designated marksmen use them on M16A3.

http://www.isayeret.com/photos/sf-169.jpg
CAR-15 w/ Aquila X4
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040221/capt.sge.mhw53.210204194913.photo02.default-395x258.jpg

Yep! That's exactly what it is. Thanks for the link ExtraT!
:D