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cepera
01-22-2006, 07:14 PM
Russia blamed for 'gas sabotage'

Saakashvili interview
Georgia's president has accused Moscow of serious acts of "sabotage" after gas blasts on Russian pipelines cut off supplies to Georgia and Armenia.
Mikhail Saakashvili told the BBC the near simultaneous attacks close to Georgia's border were pre-planned actions orchestrated by Russia.

An electricity transmission line was also destroyed as Georgia experiences extremely cold weather.

Russia's foreign ministry dismissed Mr Saakashvili's remarks as "hysteria".

Russian prosecutors earlier described the attacks as deliberate criminal acts and said an investigation was under way.

Georgia has no gas reserves and was due to run out of gas on Sunday evening, correspondents say.

Relations between Georgia and Russia have been tense since Mr Saakashvili was swept to power by the so-called "Rose Revolution" in 2003, pledging to lead his nation on a pro-Western course.

'Planned attacks'

The two explosions occurred on the main branch and a reserve branch of the Mozdok-Tbilisi pipeline in the Russian border region of North Ossetia at around 0300 local time (2400 GMT).

We've received numerous threats by Russian politicians and officials at different levels to punish us for basically for not giving them pipelines

Mikhail Saakashvili
Georgian President

The electricity transmission line in Russia's southern region of Karachayevo-Cherkessiya - also near the Georgian border - was brought down by an explosion just hours later.

Speaking to the BBC, Mr Saakashvili said there was now huge pressure on his country's energy system, as it was experiencing its coldest weather in more than 20 years.

He said all gas supplies to Georgia were now cut off as was 25% of the electricity supply.

We believe this situation should not be politicised

Gazprom spokesman Sergei Kuprianov

Mr Saakashvili said the gas pipeline was blown up in "an area fully under Russian control... with a heavy presence of Russian border guards", where there were no local insurgents.

"They happened at the same time, and basically they didn't affect supplies to Russia proper, so we can conclude that it was a very well-organised and very well-co-ordinated act.

"We've received numerous threats by Russian politicians and officials at different levels to punish us for basically for not giving them pipelines," the Georgian president said.

Prime Minister Zurab Noghaideli added that the "political motive was clear".

He told the BBC that Russia was seeking "to make a problem for Georgia in winter, to make the government angry and to create instability".

Neither politician offered any evidence to back their claims.

The Russian foreign ministry described Mr Saakashvili's comments as the product of "hysteria and bacchanalia".

Russia's prosecutor's office earlier said what happened were acts of sabotage and that explosive devices had been found, the BBC's Damian Grammaticas in Moscow reports.

A spokesman for Russia's gas monopoly Gazprom said the company was doing all it could to restore gas supplies.

"We believe this situation should not be politicised," Sergei Kuprianov was quoted as saying by the Russian Interfax news agency.

Reports say it could take several days to restore gas supplies, due to the site's remoteness and poor weather conditions.

Price hikes

Georgia is holding emergency talks aimed at securing supplies from Azerbaijan and Iran, but this could also take several days, said Georgian Deputy Energy Minister Aleko Khetagurov.



Russia also supplies gas through Georgia to Armenia, which in turn sends some electricity back to Georgia.

Gas prices to the two countries were doubled in January to $110 per 1,000 cubic metres, as part of a series of recent price hikes for former Soviet countries.

Armenian President Robert Kocharyan is expected to discuss the gas situation in a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin, during a visit to Moscow which starts on Sunday.

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01-22-2006, 11:19 PM
Saakashvili is a ****ing moron-there is nothing else to say

Mr.K
01-23-2006, 12:50 AM
Sakashvilli is a crazy puppet, i remember i was watching a documentary about those "democracy funds" and you see Sakashvili on air, saying something about freedom and bla bla bla, then he turns around ( in front of the cameras!)to a US "advisor" and says with a stupid smile: Did i say it right? - Yes carry on, replied the "advisor"

Lazarou
01-23-2006, 12:56 AM
Sakashvilli is a crazy puppet

Your problem seems to be that he's not your crazy puppet.

nick_ua
01-23-2006, 01:06 AM
it's just better to read the life story of this moron.
not the story created by his biographer but real story.

unfortunately I can't recomend any reading on english, but russian version covers a lot of interesting facts.
Some of them were : Acusing of raping and making **** when he was in University, thats actually made him move out from country for a while cause angry dad of some chick were promising to kill him.

so US find himself a nice friend.

Kilgor
01-23-2006, 01:48 AM
Your problem seems to be that he's not your crazy puppet.

X 2

Anyone who doesnt follow the exact kremlin line is automatically denouced as a western puppet.

Azide
01-23-2006, 01:57 AM
Anyone who does follow the exact kremlin line is automatically denouced as a evil commi-bastard supporter.

asch
01-23-2006, 03:16 AM
Your problem seems to be that he's not your crazy puppet.
of course.
there is no innocent, idealistic and clean political force ever.
but that idiot make me laugh every time i see his words in press.

2 Azide
right. some people not flexible enough to get rid their scrupulously grown stereotypes. ;)

cepera
01-23-2006, 03:17 AM
Anyone who does follow the exact kremlin line is automatically denouced as a evil commi-bastard supporter.

X2

It's a morron's wet dream that US will ever come and drag them out of a **** hole....world doesnt work that way and the "freedom-loving" uncle Sam knows of no such thing as charity..except to build a few more NATO bases beside Russian border. Their nation must learn to work towards expanding their GDP and not cry on someone's shoulder to do it for them. Times have changed and Russia is in no position to be feeding it's neighbours like it use to. Same goes for Ukraine.

Sergei
01-23-2006, 04:28 AM
USchenko and Sukashvili - same ****, different assholes.

Sergei
01-23-2006, 04:29 AM
it's just better to read the life story of this moron.
not the story created by his biographer but real story.

unfortunately I can't recomend any reading on english, but russian version covers a lot of interesting facts.
Some of them were : Acusing of raping and making **** when he was in University, thats actually made him move out from country for a while cause angry dad of some chick were promising to kill him.

so US find himself a nice friend.

Btw, I love your avatar. :) Nice work.

Kilgor
01-23-2006, 04:43 AM
X2
Times have changed and Russia is in no position to be feeding it's neighbours like it use to. Same goes for Ukraine.

Then why do you expect them to stay loyal to you ?
And the days of soviet troops stomping any uprising like in hungry are far in the past. Not Carrot nor stick.

asch
01-23-2006, 05:13 AM
And the days of soviet troops stomping any uprising like in hungry are far in the past
have some data on "Soviet suppression of Georgian uprisings"?
no?
why i know that, eh?
oh, maybe you mean their inner post-soviet, hmm, "tenses"?

Sergei
01-23-2006, 08:45 AM
Then why do you expect them to stay loyal to you ?
And the days of soviet troops stomping any uprising like in hungry are far in the past. Not Carrot nor stick.

Good riddance. Let the US Government pay the bills of this failed state. Sukashvili and his government receive paychecks from Washington anyways.

Holycrusader
01-23-2006, 09:19 AM
USchenko and Sukashvili - same ****, different assholes.

I like that. Sukashvili :)
How do you spell Kaczyński?

hunyadi
01-23-2006, 09:49 AM
have some data on "Soviet suppression of Georgian uprisings"?
no?
why i know that, eh?
oh, maybe you mean their inner post-soviet, hmm, "tenses"?

Depends what date you have for post-soviet doesn't it?

Maybe the reference was to the 1989 nationalist demonstration in Tblisi that clashed withSoviet troops. 20 or so people died with more wounded. Don't think Georgia's referendum for independence was until 1991. So some may view that that as 'Soviet suppression of Georgian uprisings'

You could go back to the 1921 Red Army invasion of the sef-proclaimed Democratic Republic of Georgia to reinstate rule from Moscow. It's all a matter of perception isn't it? Was that a Soviet invasion of an independent nation or a delayed (they were busy elsewhere beforehand) suppression of a Georgian uprising p-)

Sergei
01-23-2006, 11:46 AM
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Mr.K
01-23-2006, 11:55 AM
agitka.com is pure evil.
http://agitka.com/images/33.jpg
Y: it's not.. getting in...
S: Who gives a ****, Geroge says the important part is the fun!

cepera
01-23-2006, 12:01 PM
Then why do you expect them to stay loyal to you ?


Russia has done quite a few things in the past..things Georgians should be thankful for. When Turks were cutting off their heads they came to Russia and asked us to be part of our empire so our Czar took em in and beat off the Turks. In the soviet times their life standard was higher then of ordinady Russians..they were practically being fed and didnt do jack - a giant parasite, if you will. Russians have cured them from a malaria outbreak. We schooled them..and tought them how to use a fork and a knife.
If they want an independant state by all means that's fine..even better but some appreciation of the past would be nice.

RomanS
01-23-2006, 12:15 PM
Your problem seems to be that he's not your crazy puppet.
take him, we dont need him and his country of thiefs

but if he talks ****, No gas for you

Sergei
01-24-2006, 06:21 AM
I order to find out who blew up the pipeline, first of all we have to find out, who has an interest in this?
The variants are:
1 Russia
2 Saakashvili "new friends".
3 Bearded fellows, temporary residing on the territory of Georgia.
4 Georgia.

1. To blow up on your own territory is like stealing money from your wife to whom you just gave your own salary. Too evident.

2. new friends are of course interested that a good Shvili boy was friends with them only, and not with the guys living next door. In order to do this, it is quite possible to put some crap in front of Shvili's front door, and tell him that this was done by those bad guys living next door. Since Shvili is a very naive sonofabitch he will trust this idea! It is possible but somehow looks shallow.

3. The bearded fellows are comfortably living in Pankisi gorge until citizens Shvili and Putin do not reach and agreement and cut their oxygen. Such terrorist acts may strengthen the idea that an agreement between citizen P and S will never be reached. Possible.

4. How much can the georgian government elite can take out of this, nobody will tell. Beside the representative of this very elite:
"the deputy said that the situation can be estimated very easily, «everything is at face value». According to his words, the present situation can be a very positive trend for Georgia in the regard, that "if somebody had any hopes that Russia could be a good neighbor and partner, now understands, that it is not possible. Russia is a hostile country and we should act accordingly" underlined Targamadze.

Lurps
01-24-2006, 07:10 AM
Russia has done quite a few things in the past..things Georgians should be thankful for. When Turks were cutting off their heads they came to Russia and asked us to be part of our empire so our Czar took em in and beat off the Turks. In the soviet times their life standard was higher then of ordinady Russians..they were practically being fed and didnt do jack - a giant parasite, if you will. Russians have cured them from a malaria outbreak. We schooled them..and tought them how to use a fork and a knife.
If they want an independant state by all means that's fine..even better but some appreciation of the past would be nice. Then show some, they seem to have a longer history than Russia. Old culture, second oldest church in the world, own alphabet.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Georgia_(country)#Ancient_and_medieval_Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Georgia_%28country%29#Ancient_and_medieval_Georgia)

Lurps
01-24-2006, 07:21 AM
USchenko and Sukashvili - same ****, different assholes. You must be pissed that he survived? rofl http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/The-man-who-survived-Russias-poison-chalice/2005/01/22/1106334263427.html

asch
01-24-2006, 08:53 AM
You must be pissed that he survived?
very trollish.

asch
01-24-2006, 09:03 AM
You could go back to the 1921 Red Army invasion of the sef-proclaimed Democratic Republic of Georgia to reinstate rule from Moscow. It's all a matter of perception isn't it? Was that a Soviet invasion of an independent nation or a delayed (they were busy elsewhere beforehand) suppression of a Georgian uprising
well, let's see who's give orders to troops...
oops, Stalin and Beria.
and who was them? georgians, of course.

Soviet invasion of an independent nation in your dreams. all that "soviet invasions" was approved by vast majority of populations of "invaded" countries.

Baltic
01-24-2006, 10:11 AM
well, let's see who's give orders to troops...
oops, Stalin and Beria.
and who was them? georgians, of course.


Uhu. Stalin was a criminal in Georgia wanted for bank robery.



in your dreams. all that "soviet invasions" was approved by vast majority of populations of "invaded" countries.


Bull****. We approved your invasion with 40 000 people in the forests.

Baltic
01-24-2006, 10:14 AM
Huhuhu...

Looks like FSB has lost common sence

" Эксперт ФСБ считает, что взрывы (http://newsru.com/russia/22jan2006/mozdo.html) газопровода и опоры ЛЭП организовали власти Грузии. "Эти два взрыва - диверсия, заказанная официальным Тбилиси и осуществленная местной агентурой."

Expert of FSB thinks that explosions were made by Georgian authorities. Lol Now lets wait and see whne they will find first witnesses that Saakashvili planted all bombs himself. :DDDD