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NcDeuce
02-23-2004, 01:49 PM
Marines to Protect U.S. Embassy in Haiti

By PAISLEY DODDS, Associated Press Writer

CAP-HAITIEN, Haiti - Fifty Marines headed Monday to protect the U.S. Embassy and its staff after rebels overran Haiti's second-largest city and threatened to attack the capital, Port-au-Prince.

Residents of Cap-Haitien went on a rampage of reprisal and looting for a second day as supporters of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide armed themselves and set up burning barricades outside Port-au-Prince. There were ominous but unconfirmed reports of rebels executing Aristide backers.

The Marines were dispatched to the capital to secure the embassy, according to Western diplomats and a Defense Department official.

Two police stations outside Port-au-Prince were attacked Sunday, leaving one passer-by dead, independent Radio Kiskeya reported.

A homemade bomb exploded overnight at Carnival celebrations at the Champs de Mars — Port-au-Prince's central plaza in front of the presidential National Palace, killing one teenager and wounding two people, radio stations reported.

The takeover of Cap-Haitien by about 200 fighters was the most significant advance by Aristide's opponents since the uprising began Feb 5. More than 70 people have been killed, including 17 on Sunday.

There were occasional bursts of gunfire Monday in Cap-Hatien, a city of 500,000 on Haiti's north coast. Rebels celebrated and detained supposed Aristide militants.

"I am a brick mason, I didn't do anything wrong!" Jean-Bernard Prevalis, 33, pleaded as he was dragged away, his head bleeding. Residents alleged he was an Aristide activist and a drug trafficker.

"We're going to clean the city of all 'chimere,'" said rebel Dieusauver Magustin, 26, using the Creole word "ghost" to describe pro-government militants.

It was not clear what would happen to those who were detained. One rebel said they were saving them from lynching. Another, Claudy Philippe, said: "The people show us the (chimere) houses. If they are there, we execute them."

Police in Cap-Haitien remained barricaded in their posts, saying they lacked the means and the manpower to fight off the insurgents. Some hardcore Aristide militants roamed the streets and terrorized the president's opponents until the rebels moved in.

Thousands demonstrated in favor of the rebellion, chanting "Aristide get out!" and "Goodbye Aristide."

Looters stole 800 tons of food at the U.N. World Food Program warehouse, according to the agency's Andrea Bagnoli, and people torched the home of pro-Aristide Mayor Wilmar Innocent.

Rebel leader Guy Philippe predicted a quick victory.

"I think that in less than 15 days we will control all of Haiti," he said at a Cap-Haitien hotel as he drank a bottle of beer.

Philippe said nothing could be done to stop the looting and blamed Aristide's government for leaving most of Haiti's 8 million people hungry and desperate.

The rebels also cut cellular telephone service in the city, saying they wanted no communication with Port-au-Prince.

Sources close to the government said several Cabinet ministers in Port-au-Prince were asking friends for places to hide should the capital be attacked by anti-government protesters.

On Monday, France urged its citizens to leave Haiti. The United States did the same Thursday.

There are about 30,000 foreigners in Haiti, including about 20,000 Americans, 2,000 French and 1,000 Canadians.

The political opposition has said it will respond by 5 p.m. Monday to a U.S.-backed peace plan that calls for Aristide to remain president while sharing some power with rivals until new elections are organized.

The Red Cross, meanwhile, was trying to avert a collapse of medical care in Haiti, a senior official said Monday.

"The situation is unraveling very quickly, probably more quickly than anybody would have thought," said Yves Giovannoni, head of operations for Latin America and the Caribbean at the International Committee of the Red Cross, speaking in Geneva. ICRC staff are reporting 30-50 people a day injured by the fighting.

The two-****ged rebel assault quickly engulfed key points in Cap-Haitien. The police station was burned, then looted, as was a pro-Aristide radio station. Thousands of people rushed to the port and carted off goods.

"We're all hungry," said Jean Luc, 11, who strapped four huge sacks of rice to his bicycle and was trying to pedal it home.

Residents also defaced posters of Aristide, who was wildly popular when he became Haiti's first freely elected leader in 1990 but lost support after flawed legislative elections in 2000 led international donors to freeze millions of dollars in aid.

Opponents accuse him of failing to help those in need in the Western hemisphere's poorest country, allowing corruption and masterminding attacks on opponents by armed gangs. Aristide denies the charges.

The rebels say they have no political agenda beyond ousting Aristide, but the man who started the rebellion, Gonaives gang leader Buteur Metayer, on Thursday declared himself the president of liberated Haiti.

Rebels have driven government forces from half the country. As Cap-Haitien stood on the brink of falling, police were barricaded in their posts, saying they lacked the personnel and firepower to fend off the insurgents.

Many people expressed joy at the rebel victory.

"The people are happy. Finally we're free from terror," said Fifi Jean, 30, as she stood in front of the blazing police headquarters, which was burned after the police fled amid the rebel assault. As night fell, fires broke out in the homes of some Aristide supporters in Cap-Haitien.

Philippe said he wanted to see Aristide thrown in jail and put on trial, although he did not know what charges the president would face, saying it would be up to Haitian judges.

The rebel leader was an officer in the army when it ousted Aristide in 1991 and instigated a reign of terror that ended in 1994 when the United States sent 20,000 troops to end the military dictatorship and restore the president to power.

In taking Cap-Haitien, rebels said their force only met resistance at the airport, where Philippe said eight civilians loyal to Aristide were killed in a gunbattle. Seven other bodies were seen Sunday in Cap-Haitien.

Aristide supporters commandeered a plane from the airport, and witnesses said those who fled on it included seven police officers and former Aristide lawmaker Nawoum Marcellus, whose Radio Africa had been inciting violence against opponents.

"We came in today and we took Cap-Haitien; tomorrow we take Port-au-Prince," boasted Lucien Estime, a 19-year-old who joined the rebellion from the hamlet of Saint Raphael, south of Cap-Haitien. "Our mission is to liberate Haiti."

The United States blames Aristide for the crisis and has said it does not want to send troops to restore order.

The opposition coalition Democratic Platform insists any plan must include Aristide's resignation.

Aristide accepted the plan, but indicated he would not negotiate with the soldiers who had ousted him in 1991.


http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040223/capt.xwa10102231507.haiti_uprising_xwa101.jpg
A Haitian man, suspected of being a supporter of Haitian president Jean Bertrand-Aristide, is detained by rebels in the streets of Cap-Haitien, Haiti, Monday, Feb. 23, 2004. Rebels who overran Haiti's second-largest city of Cap-Haitien began detaining people identified as supporters of Aristide on Monday and said they would attack the capital of Port-au-Prince soon.

The poo is gonna hit the fan soon!

I forgot if it was a veteran on this forum or if it was a fellow prior-service cadet in my ROTC battalion that was involved in a prison uprising in Haiti a while back...

NcDeuce
02-23-2004, 06:23 PM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20040223/mdf478817.jpg
Men driving a stolen vehicle pass a body on a street in Cap-Haitien, Haiti on February 22, 2004. The United States is sending about 50 U.S. Marines to Haiti to protect its embassy in the Caribbean nation where armed rebels took control of the second largest city over the weekend, U.S. officials said on Feb. 23.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040223/capt.xwa12002232314.haiti_uprising_xwa120.jpg
A Haitian rebel shoots along side other rebels at a house where there are suspected supporters of Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide in Cap-Haitien, Haiti, Monday, Feb. 23, 2004. A bystander holds up his hands in background left.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040223/capt.xwa11902232319.haiti_uprising_xwa119.jpg
A Haitian rebel sets fire to a house the rebels suspect belongs to supporters of Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide in Cap-Haitien, Haiti, Monday, Feb. 23, 2004.

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TriggerPuller
02-23-2004, 09:49 PM
Fifty Marines.....why so many!!!!!! :D

TP

Apogee
02-23-2004, 09:52 PM
Fifty Marines.....why so many!!!!!! :D

TP

I agree, we could have sent one soldier to do the same job they'll be doing ;) Just kidding.


I say we just send TP down there and he'll take on the whole country

Ratamacue
02-23-2004, 10:05 PM
Fifty Marines.....why so many!!!!!! :D

TP

I agree, we could have sent one soldier to do the same job they'll be doing ;) Just kidding.


I say we just send TP down there and he'll take on the whole country

I'm not quite sure the US government is prepared to take responsibility for the extermination of every life form in Haiti. ;)

Salty Dog
02-23-2004, 10:07 PM
Fifty Marines.....why so many!!!!!! :D

TP

I agree, we could have sent one soldier to do the same job they'll be doing ;) Just kidding.


I say we just send TP down there and he'll take on the whole country

I'm not quite sure the US government is prepared to take responsibility for the extermination of every life form in Haiti. ;) rofl

Haiw
02-23-2004, 10:19 PM
Fifty Marines.....why so many!!!!!! :D

TP

I agree, we could have sent one soldier to do the same job they'll be doing ;) Just kidding.


I say we just send TP down there and he'll take on the whole country

I'm not quite sure the US government is prepared to take responsibility for the extermination of every life form in Haiti. ;)
And the pregnacy of all women in a 25 mile radius... ;)

AFG
02-23-2004, 10:24 PM
Fifty Marines.....why so many!!!!!! :D

TP

I agree, we could have sent one soldier to do the same job they'll be doing ;) Just kidding.


I say we just send TP down there and he'll take on the whole country

I'm not quite sure the US government is prepared to take responsibility for the extermination of every life form in Haiti. ;)
And the pregnacy of all women in a 25 mile radius... ;)

arent contraceptives standard issue? ;)

Haiw
02-23-2004, 10:27 PM
Not in the Marines, pregnacy normally isn't a problem when you're 'helping eachother out'. ;)
Just kiddin' p-)

TriggerPuller
02-23-2004, 10:40 PM
Fifty Marines.....why so many!!!!!! :D

TP

I agree, we could have sent one soldier to do the same job they'll be doing ;) Just kidding.


I say we just send TP down there and he'll take on the whole countryWas actually asked to go by a friend who runs security down there for Steele. I already worked in Liberia and this seemed very similar so I didnt need the de javue(sp?).

TP

cut
02-23-2004, 10:43 PM
deja vu (without accents)

have the rebels reached port-au-prince yet?

He219
02-23-2004, 10:57 PM
have the rebels reached port-au-prince yet?
Two police stations outside Port-au-Prince were attacked and the city is setting into siege mode;burning tires, barricades, roadblocks by hundreds of armed Aristide supporters on the road leading north.

Rebel leader Guy Philippe said they would attack the capital 'soon', probably after 'mopping' up in Cap-Haitien.

cut
02-23-2004, 11:30 PM
cheers

James
02-23-2004, 11:35 PM
The USMC owned Haiti from 1915 to 1934. Apparently that wheel has turned again... ;)

cut
02-23-2004, 11:45 PM
The USMC owned Haiti from 1915 to 1934. Apparently that wheel has turned again... ;)

and yet the US refused trukey as a colony after WWI and criticized Britain, on the principle of the united states being an anti-imperialist state? :-*$

James
02-23-2004, 11:52 PM
The USMC owned Haiti from 1915 to 1934. Apparently that wheel has turned again... ;)

and yet the US refused trukey as a colony after WWI and criticized Britain, on the principle of the united states being an anti-imperialist state? :-*$

What are you talking about?

ibstolidude
02-24-2004, 12:06 AM
[quote=TriggerPuller]Fifty Marines.....why so many!!!!!! :D

TP

I agree, we could have sent one soldier to do the same job they'll be doing ;) Just kidding.


I say we just send TP down there and he'll take on the whole country - Nah AIDS/HIV rate is way to high!!

Hey risk assesment has to come into play.

Seraphim
02-24-2004, 02:37 AM
Extra U.S. Marines on the ground to defend American embassy

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4244322/

Jack Mehoff
02-24-2004, 02:53 AM
[quote=TriggerPuller]Fifty Marines.....why so many!!!!!! :D

TP

I agree, we could have sent one soldier to do the same job they'll be doing ;) Just kidding.


I say we just send TP down there and he'll take on the whole country - Nah AIDS/HIV rate is way to high!!

Hey risk assesment has to come into play.

Risk assessment. What's that? hahahaha

Top: "Temperature is 110*F today, possible of heat injuries is high"
Me: "Yeah, no ****"

Kilgor
02-24-2004, 03:12 AM
Why arnt the french cleaning up the mess they made ?

cut
02-24-2004, 10:21 AM
The USMC owned Haiti from 1915 to 1934. Apparently that wheel has turned again... ;)

and yet the US refused trukey as a colony after WWI and criticized Britain, on the principle of the united states being an anti-imperialist state? :-*$

What are you talking about?

after WWI the colonies of the losers, germany et al, where shared amongst the victors, namely, Clemanceau, Lloyd George and Woodrow Wilson. This was when Britain got palestine/jordan and France got Syria. One of the other colonies up for grabs was Turkey, which was offered to the US, they said no (although if they hadn't imagine the implications of turkey being american in the cold war).

And Woodrow Wilson ****head that he was went on to preach about his anti-imperialism, in fact one of his 14 points was that freedom of the sea should be restored, i.e. the British should stop controlling it, that's like saying the US should get rid of it's carriers.

Well my point was if it is true that "the USMC owned haiti between 1915 and 1934" it's a strong case for hypocrisy.

Smoothie104
02-24-2004, 10:38 AM
Anyone know who is backing/supplying the rebels?

TriggerPuller
02-24-2004, 11:37 AM
Anyone know who is backing/supplying the rebels?The French!! :D

TP

A Soldier
02-24-2004, 12:20 PM
Damn those saber rattling French!!!!!! :-*$

BlackRain
02-24-2004, 12:53 PM
If, as you eloquently put it,


Woodrow Wilson ****head

What is "Peace For Our Time" Neville Chamberlain?


"My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time...
Go home and get a nice quiet sleep."

California Joe
02-24-2004, 02:01 PM
Anyone know who is backing/supplying the rebels?

In the films and photos I've seen it looks like we supplied them. In the 50's. The jokers are all carrying around M1 Garands and M14's occassionally.

XASA
02-24-2004, 02:59 PM
Why arnt the french cleaning up the mess they made ?

Kilgor, do some research before making such a strong statement. Haiti was a French colony more than 200 years ago and they haven't been involved in that country aside from language and culture (well language anyway :P ) since then. The U.S., as has been already noted on this thread, has intervened several times in Haiti and, as also noted, it was virtually a U.S. colony throughout the 20th Century.

James
02-24-2004, 07:42 PM
after WWI the colonies of the losers, germany et al, where shared amongst the victors, namely, Clemanceau, Lloyd George and Woodrow Wilson. This was when Britain got palestine/jordan and France got Syria. One of the other colonies up for grabs was Turkey, which was offered to the US, they said no (although if they hadn't imagine the implications of turkey being american in the cold war).

And Woodrow Wilson ****head that he was went on to preach about his anti-imperialism, in fact one of his 14 points was that freedom of the sea should be restored, i.e. the British should stop controlling it, that's like saying the US should get rid of it's carriers.

Well my point was if it is true that "the USMC owned haiti between 1915 and 1934" it's a strong case for hypocrisy.

What I meant was "What does that have to do with the U.S. intervening in Haiti in 2004?"

Haiti wasn't a U.S. colony from 1915 to 1934. The Marines were (take a guess)... Fighting Haitian rebels! The U.S. had some commercial and economic interests in Haiti that were threatened. The Marines took care of business. When the situation was stabilized, the Marines came home.

During this same time period, the Marines were busy in Nicaragua and the Dominican Republic.

TriggerPuller
02-24-2004, 09:40 PM
after WWI the colonies of the losers, germany et al, where shared amongst the victors, namely, Clemanceau, Lloyd George and Woodrow Wilson. This was when Britain got palestine/jordan and France got Syria. One of the other colonies up for grabs was Turkey, which was offered to the US, they said no (although if they hadn't imagine the implications of turkey being american in the cold war).

And Woodrow Wilson ****head that he was went on to preach about his anti-imperialism, in fact one of his 14 points was that freedom of the sea should be restored, i.e. the British should stop controlling it, that's like saying the US should get rid of it's carriers.

Well my point was if it is true that "the USMC owned haiti between 1915 and 1934" it's a strong case for hypocrisy.

What I meant was "What does that have to do with the U.S. intervening in Haiti in 2004?"

Haiti wasn't a U.S. colony from 1915 to 1934. The Marines were (take a guess)... Fighting Haitian rebels! The U.S. had some commercial and economic interests in Haiti that were threatened. The Marines took care of business. When the situation was stabilized, the Marines came home.

During this same time period, the Marines were busy in Nicaragua and the Dominican Republic. yep. The Banana Wars. The Cacos(sp?) rebels if iam correct!

TP

Uncle Sam
02-24-2004, 09:48 PM
I was in Haiti a few moons ago (AIDS is rampant) and they would try and spit on us, like in our faces, to try and give us the virus, when we were doing crowd control. Then we would unleash and get the instigators, and they would run away...It was kinda funny. Haiti SUCKS ! I personally wore two pair of surgical gloves when touching these dudes and would always take them to the ground, face first, so they wouldn't spit on me. Haiti SUCKS ! Did I mention that already?

ibstolidude
02-24-2004, 09:51 PM
I was in Haiti a few moons ago (AIDS is rampant) and they would try and spit on us, like in our faces, to try and give us the virus, when we were doing crowd control. Then we would unleash and get the instigators, and they would run away...It was kinda funny. Haiti SUCKS ! I personally wore two pair of surgical gloves when touching these dudes and would always take them to the ground, face first, so they wouldn't spit on me. Haiti SUCKS ! Did I mention that already?
You miss the soo sweet smell, don't you.
not to mention the wonderful beaches/water - oh yea **** mixed with mercury = nasty.
well the open air sewers are nice, yes? Help keep you awake.
What about the little naked boys trying to hang off your vehicle?
surely you miss that place.

Salty Dog
02-24-2004, 09:56 PM
personally wore two pair of surgical gloves when touching these dudes

you touch dudes huh? :P sorry couldn't resist. anyway, what kind of stuff (specifics)did you do in haiti?

NcDeuce
02-24-2004, 09:58 PM
I was in Haiti a few moons ago (AIDS is rampant) and they would try and spit on us, like in our faces, to try and give us the virus, when we were doing crowd control. Then we would unleash and get the instigators, and they would run away...It was kinda funny. Haiti SUCKS ! I personally wore two pair of surgical gloves when touching these dudes and would always take them to the ground, face first, so they wouldn't spit on me. Haiti SUCKS ! Did I mention that already?

Spitting, that's f*cked up! :bash: :bash: :bash:

TriggerPuller
02-24-2004, 10:00 PM
I was in Haiti a few moons ago (AIDS is rampant) and they would try and spit on us, like in our faces, to try and give us the virus, when we were doing crowd control. Then we would unleash and get the instigators, and they would run away...It was kinda funny. Haiti SUCKS ! I personally wore two pair of surgical gloves when touching these dudes and would always take them to the ground, face first, so they wouldn't spit on me. Haiti SUCKS ! Did I mention that already?

Spitting, that's f*cked up! :bash: :bash: :bash:Yep that's what I told HER!!!! :D

TP

Salty Dog
02-24-2004, 10:08 PM
I was in Haiti a few moons ago (AIDS is rampant) and they would try and spit on us, like in our faces, to try and give us the virus, when we were doing crowd control. Then we would unleash and get the instigators, and they would run away...It was kinda funny. Haiti SUCKS ! I personally wore two pair of surgical gloves when touching these dudes and would always take them to the ground, face first, so they wouldn't spit on me. Haiti SUCKS ! Did I mention that already?

Spitting, that's f*cked up! :bash: :bash: :bash:Yep that's what I told HER!!!! :D

TP

bahahahahahaha, weird guy

Uncle Sam
02-24-2004, 10:24 PM
I was in Haiti a few moons ago (AIDS is rampant) and they would try and spit on us, like in our faces, to try and give us the virus, when we were doing crowd control. Then we would unleash and get the instigators, and they would run away...It was kinda funny. Haiti SUCKS ! I personally wore two pair of surgical gloves when touching these dudes and would always take them to the ground, face first, so they wouldn't spit on me. Haiti SUCKS ! Did I mention that already?
You miss the soo sweet smell, don't you.
not to mention the wonderful beaches/water - oh yea **** mixed with mercury = nasty.
well the open air sewers are nice, yes? Help keep you awake.
What about the little naked boys trying to hang off your vehicle?
surely you miss that place.

I do miss it...Really !

TriggerPuller
02-24-2004, 10:26 PM
I was in Haiti a few moons ago (AIDS is rampant) and they would try and spit on us, like in our faces, to try and give us the virus, when we were doing crowd control. Then we would unleash and get the instigators, and they would run away...It was kinda funny. Haiti SUCKS ! I personally wore two pair of surgical gloves when touching these dudes and would always take them to the ground, face first, so they wouldn't spit on me. Haiti SUCKS ! Did I mention that already?

Spitting, that's f*cked up! :bash: :bash: :bash:Yep that's what I told HER!!!! :D

TP

bahahahahahaha, weird guy Dont get me started Ive been very civil today!!!

TP

Uncle Sam
02-24-2004, 10:31 PM
I was in Haiti a few moons ago (AIDS is rampant) and they would try and spit on us, like in our faces, to try and give us the virus, when we were doing crowd control. Then we would unleash and get the instigators, and they would run away...It was kinda funny. Haiti SUCKS ! I personally wore two pair of surgical gloves when touching these dudes and would always take them to the ground, face first, so they wouldn't spit on me. Haiti SUCKS ! Did I mention that already?

Spitting, that's f*cked up! :bash: :bash: :bash:Yep that's what I told HER!!!! :D

TP


bahahahahahaha, weird guy Dont get me started Ive been very civil today!!!

TP

"Civil"...Isn't that your middle name?? :lol:

Ratamacue
02-24-2004, 10:39 PM
More like "Civil War Instigator."