The Lost Boys - Russian concripts in Chechnya

[RPG7]

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[RomanS]

what is a point of this THREAD?

[Ezra Coli]

Nice pics, good counter to the other post. Thanks

[Victrix]

aware of the copyright

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Nice pics...

[Snoshi]

I like how he always the worst looking pics

[Chuckie]

what is a point of this THREAD?

He's been trolling all morning.

[Chulo]

the real lost boys

[Bushman]

Good thread.

Show the bad side of war, thats the real side of war.

[MrScruff]

the real lost boys
I thought it was going to be about that too, that was the first DVD I bought :D

[Schizo]

He's just a ****ing retard, don't laugh at him.

[Roy Batty]

They are great pics so long as they are'nt accompanied by political bullspit.

[(AnUbIs)]

Why was RPG banned for 2 weeks ,and how did this post go from 6 pages i was looking at to 1 ? ..

[LibertyUnites]

how is this trolling? the pics make the soldiers look quite admirable especially for their age IMO... is it because he titled the thread "lost boys" ???

[El-Sefarad]

RPG7 whats wrong between you and russians?? :roll:

[cepera]

Nice pics, good counter to the other post. Thanks

yea, you just jealous. As for the thread ..nice to see the pics and even nicer to see him banned..

[Rictor]

I see no problem with this thread. There's some good pictures I haven't seen before, there's nothing wrong with that.

[kaizan]

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What causes injuries like that? Its not physical (as in punch).

[Uninen]

what is a point of this THREAD?
Look at the pics and figure it out.

Kids, should i say teens, injured, scared in middle of a ****hole, not know why they are there and what are they supposed to do.

Real tragedy.

Also is that one beat up the yes and so on or is the instructor there making some sick gay fantacy of his becoming reality? (some lipstick and eye color..?)

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Either way that ****ed up. :|

[Apathy]

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[G-Capo]

Why is every one hatting on RPG what has he done that is so bad!.

Thanks for the images once again RPG

[Apathy]

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[Marmot1]

I wonder why soe "ruskie's" are so mad? After all those are photos of their army, they are not fake, nor taken by enemy... ;-)

[Roy Batty]

I wonder why soe "ruskie's" are so mad? After all those are photos of their army, they are not fake, nor taken by enemy... ;-)

Because anything that show's the Russian military in a bad light pisses Roman off like mad. He seems to take it as a personal attack, which is odd considering, as far as I know, he is'nt a Russian soldier.

[Telnyashka]

Because anything that show's the Russian military in a bad light pisses Roman off like mad. He seems to take it as a personal attack, which is odd considering, as far as I know, he is'nt a Russian soldier.

it pisses people off because you know he is taken specific pictures to push his hidden agenda.

[BoyElroy]

it pisses people off because you know he is taken specific pictures to push his hidden agenda.

Que? What "hidden agenda" is that, you sly little conspiracy monger?

[Bia]

I like looking at pictures.
I have ZERO pollitical view outside my city...LOL

Thanks for sharing.

[Telnyashka]

Que? What "hidden agenda" is that, you sly little conspiracy monger?

Hidden agenda regarding his vendetta with Russians.

[rhino]

I like looking at pictures.
I have ZERO pollitical view outside my city...LOL

Thanks for sharing.

ehhh, so young, so blond


































p-)

[BoyElroy]

Hidden agenda regarding his vendetta with Russians.



And this is different from the uber-nationalist pro- Russians how?

[Roy Batty]

it pisses people off because you know he is taken specific pictures to push his hidden agenda.

These were candid photos of young Russian soldiers. If some guys "not so" hidden agenda on an open internet forum is that worriesome to you and the backers of the Russian forces then it would seem you may have deeper problems. Are you worried he will turn the populace against the Russian forces???Will I start supporting the Chechneyans now????? I mean come on it was some well taken military photos on a military photo forum. This thread wasent even accompanied by any political statement. The super-nationalism starts to smack of desperation after awhile boys. And before you fire your bow guns at me; I am a serving soldier who respects the Russian military (so aim your shots well).

[Telnyashka]

These were candid photos of young Russian soldiers. If some guys "not so" hidden agenda on an open internet forum is that worriesome to you and the backers of the Russian forces then it would seem you may have deeper problems. Are you worried he will turn the populace against the Russian forces???Will I start supporting the Chechneyans now????? I mean come on it was some well taken military photos on a military photo forum. This thread wasent even accompanied by any political statement. The super-nationalism starts to smack of desperation after awhile boys. And before you fire your bow guns at me; I am a serving soldier who respects the Russian military (so aim your shots well).

No offence but using the part "i am a serving soldier" does not suddenly add merit to any argument. Your argument however has merit due to the actual points you made. I simply believe due to RPGs past history, he is simply wishing to stir up trouble with other members.

[moughoun]

These were candid photos of young Russian soldiers. If some guys "not so" hidden agenda on an open internet forum is that worriesome to you and the backers of the Russian forces then it would seem you may have deeper problems. Are you worried he will turn the populace against the Russian forces???Will I start supporting the Chechneyans now????? I mean come on it was some well taken military photos on a military photo forum. This thread wasent even accompanied by any political statement. The super-nationalism starts to smack of desperation after awhile boys. And before you fire your bow guns at me; I am a serving soldier who respects the Russian military (so aim your shots well).
x2, funny how it's only the non soldiers on here who seem to have the problem, perhap's reality is not exactly like they want it, all nice and clean, HSLD kind of guy's doing cool ****, interesting photos all the same

[BoyElroy]

No offence but using the part "i am a serving soldier" does not suddenly add merit to any argument. Your argument however has merit due to the actual points you made. I simply believe due to RPGs past history, he is simply wishing to stir up trouble with other members.


So anyone who disagrees with you is "stirring up trouble"? Interesting view on free speech here.

[Roy Batty]

No offence but using the part "i am a serving soldier" does not suddenly add merit to any argument. Your argument however has merit due to the actual points you made. I simply believe due to RPGs past history, he is simply wishing to stir up trouble with other members.

The only merit it adds is that the military is not my hobby it's my proffession. I havent read alot of RPG's older posts I just know that this post seemed worthy of our forum. No more argueing my friend. It gets late here and my CO is going to run me into the dirt very early tomorrow.

[moughoun]

No offence but using the part "i am a serving soldier" does not suddenly add merit to any argument. Your argument however has merit due to the actual points you made. I simply believe due to RPGs past history, he is simply wishing to stir up trouble with other members.
I don't know the guy's past on here, but if he tried to start something negative with this thread, he failed, all he did was put up some interesting pic's, that's all I'm taking from it, if he has some agenda, he can keep it to himself

[asch]

to make it clean and simple:
RPG7 make some threads.
one about fvckin' terrorists (call them rebels, freedom fighters - that change nothing, the same animals as in 9/11) comments to photos was accented neitral. gory content availabe too, but this ok to thread author.
other side (he means federal forces) acquired very preconceived comments and selection of pics make me think about propaganda etc.
terrorist propaganda.
so, ban reason is clear.

[Roy Batty]

to make it clean and simple:
RPG7 make some threads.
one about fvckin' terrorists (call them rebels, freedom fighters - that change nothing, the same animals as in 9/11) comments to photos was accented neitral. gory content availabe too, but this ok to thread author.
other side (he means federal forces) acquired very preconceived comments and selection of pics make me think about propaganda etc.
terrorist propaganda.
so, ban reason is clear.


Come again????? I did'nt understand any of that...lol

[moughoun]

Come again????? I did'nt understand any of that...lol
I take it, he mean's the dude posted terrorist propaganda from some duchebag group, nothing to do with this thread, therefore he got banned.....and now I have a headache after translating that

[bigjeff]

I can't get the topic.Wat's the meaning of it?
btw,nice pics.

[asch]

haha, very funny.
some people don't know english well, so wtf?

[moughoun]

haha, very funny.
some people don't know english well, so wtf?
kudos to you on knowing what, wtf mean's

[Mr.K]

what is a point of this THREAD?
The point is that Russia is desperate and cruel and is losing the war. That evil decadent Putin regime based on KGB and the Anti-Christ himslef is sending little boys that can barely walk, and are unfed and untrained against the brave and allmighty chechen mujahadeen.
Man what i wrote is almost kavkaz-center worthy.

And for the slow people on this forum that was sarcasm.

Oh and if I started a topic with injured NATO soldiers you'd be pissed too.

[asch]

wtf, omg, lol, stfu etc. - that's basic internet english.
almost first english words person can learn from reading forums.
that's sick but true.

[CyberSpec]

No offence but using the part "i am a serving soldier" does not suddenly add merit to any argument. Your argument however has merit due to the actual points you made. I simply believe due to RPGs past history, he is simply wishing to stir up trouble with other members.
I'm pro-Russian on most matters, but I have to agree with "Canadian Sig" on this matter.

War is not just about action photos and glorious poses

You're acting childish by complaining and pestering the mods...try countering RPG with counter arguments...which shouldn't be too hard to do.

[F. De Saxe]

Oh and if I started a topic with injured NATO soldiers you'd be pissed too.
Topics with injured NATO soldiers (at ex. US from Iraq) exist and only few people behave in those topics like many Russians here.

Indeed - RPG's posts piss me off, 'cause he's looking for an argument in most cases.

However...:
Showing dead civilians, crying children or sth like that is no doubt terrorists propaganda, but showing wounded soldiers or destroyed vehicles is not so obvious a part of prop.

thus please don't flame only 'cause of any single destroyed tank or wounded trooper pic - it doesn't lead to anywhere

[RomanS]

Topics with injured NATO soldiers (at ex. US from Iraq) exist and only few people behave in those topics like many Russians here.

Indeed - RPG's posts piss me off, 'cause he's looking for an argument in most cases.

However...:
Showing dead civilians, crying children or sth like that is no doubt terrorists propaganda, but showing wounded soldiers or destroyed vehicles is not so obvious a part of prop.

thus please don't flame only 'cause of any single destroyed tank or wounded trooper pic - it doesn't lead to anywhere
I try to politely end it most of the times, but people tell me im a trolling flame warrior with patriotic overdose.

But funny those who tell me that spend 90% in Off topic and Humor, with ZERO contribution to the forum named MILITARY PHOTOS

[DE_Six]

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That's a good one.

[nick_ua]

with all do respect
I didn't see any offencive on that pictures .
however, the guy might have some agenda according to another his postings but clearly, you just helping him out

[Jippo]

Oh and if I started a topic with injured NATO soldiers you'd be pissed too.


We have had that with no one bitching about it. I also fail to see the problem of this thread.

I also say banning him is bs. I like to see quality photos, no matter what side, and he has quality photos.


-jippo

[cepera]

I'm pro-Russian on most matters, but I have to agree with "Canadian Sig" on this matter.

War is not just about action photos and glorious poses

You're acting childish by complaining and pestering the mods...try countering RPG with counter arguments...which shouldn't be too hard to do.

And why would you counter his arguments? He started a thread with a straight intention to flame..thus by contrebuting you do exactly that.


funny how it's only the non soldiers on here who seem to have the problem, perhap's reality is not exactly like they want it, all nice and clean, HSLD kind of guy's doing cool ****, interesting photos all the same

No, they dont have to be nice and clean..as a metter of fact most pics Roman posts of military in chechnya are anything but clean. Posting pics if injured soldiers, entitled "lost boys" is trolling.
How would the American forumers react if he were to a post injured or disabled soldiers from Iraq titled "little pussies" ?

[RomanS]

And why would you counter his arguments? He started a thread with a straight intention to flame..thus by contrebuting you do exactly that.


funny how it's only the non soldiers on here who seem to have the problem, perhap's reality is not exactly like they want it, all nice and clean, HSLD kind of guy's doing cool ****, interesting photos all the same

No, they dont have to be nice and clean..as a metter of fact most pics Roman posts of military in chechnya are anything but clean. Posting pics if injured soldiers, entitled "lost boys" is trolling.
How would the American forumers react if he were to a post injured or disabled soldiers from Iraq titled "little pussies" ?


Totally AGREE WITH YOU BROTHER!

Its one thing about posting photos, but another to tag them with obvious BLACK PAINT

Dont touch the TROOPS

[Sergei]

I'm pro-Russian on most matters, but I have to agree with "Canadian Sig" on this matter.

War is not just about action photos and glorious poses

You're acting childish by complaining and pestering the mods...try countering RPG with counter arguments...which shouldn't be too hard to do.

I agree with you completely.

Accidentally I don't see many photos on this forum titled "American Lost Boys" with pictures from Bethesda with guys amputated, or having lost all four limbs, or brain damage. That content would have been erased immediately, no? Freedom of speech, my ass. All I see is a double-standard approach - them "freedom fighters" cause they kill russkies, this is "terraist" cause he kills canadians and americans.
Say that I am wrong? I am also a "former soldier who served" if it adds anything to my reputation. :)

[Jippo]

I agree with you completely.

Accidentally I don't see many photos on this forum titled "American Lost Boys" with pictures from Bethesda with guys amputated, or having lost all four limbs, or brain damage. That content would have been erased immediately, no?


Actually most of the pictures showed no injuries. The injuries shown were minor injuries. There have been pictures of injured soldiers from other countries so what is the big deal?

In military people get injured and dead too, and this is in the militaryphotos.net. None of the pictures was distasteful in any way.


-jippo

[Uncle-Howie]

Oh yeah and what about the pics ?

[Lurps]

The pics were good, good to show the truth.

[Snoshi]

The pics were good, good to show the truth.

The prob is that he posting a pictures of well "equped" Chechen troops with pro rebel writings, then he is posting the WORST pics you can find about russian soldiers and writes a BS about them. If he would post the pics together with both good and the bad onces then there would be no trouble. like from here http://www.pbase.com/igor01/chechnya and not only from terrorist pages.

Remember Firepower he posted pics of terrorist's from Iraq and got tons of bad rep. What if someone posted a pics of them with descriptions like "good equiped resistance soldier standing next to a destroyed US tank" And the next topic that he would make would be US-OilTakers with destroyed US equp.

[Lurps]

Well i care for muslims terrorists as much as i care for russian terrorists:)

[Snoshi]

Well i care for muslims terrorists as much as i care for russian terrorists:)

Who are by your defenetion russian terrorists?

My defenition of terrorist is a person who targets civillians by purpose to achive some kind of goal.

[zealot]

I have seen all of these photos before. i think they are REALLY nice & powerful photos.

BUT the guy that posted them probably has a hidden agenda.... actually I am sure he has, he's named the thread "The Lost Boys - Russian concripts in Chechnya" - I think that is where the main "trolling" element lies ....

[Lurps]

Who are by your defenetion russian terrorists?

My defenition of terrorist is a person who targets civillians by purpose to achive some kind of goal. We agreewoot http://www.amnesty.org/russia/chechnya.html

[El-Sefarad]

We agreewoot http://www.amnesty.org/russia/chechnya.html

ahhh this good scandinavian humanists ... I love the way they think.. they love so much humanity... they are so well thinkers..

just too bad that they can't understand what kind of fight is to resist to muslim extremism...

[Jippo]

But what is there to resist if you are just as bad as the enemy? (a general comment, so don't freak out) you can resist just by being better than the enemy, and not to fall on his level.


-jippo

[Lurps]

ahhh this good scandinavian humanists ... I love the way they think.. they love so much humanity... they are so well thinkers..

just too bad that they can't understand what kind of fight is to resist to muslim extremism... Well they created the extremism (wich i dont accept any more than Russian imperialism) by their own actions. It wouldn matter to russians if they were cristian or jews. I should point out that im pro Israeli very strongly. I would be more concerned about Russia arming Iran or the growing anti semitism in Russia.. Could it be that Jews emigrated to Israel from Russia seem to have problems with their identity, opinion of a jewish friend of mine BTW..

[MalteseFalcon]

Well instead of going for Russia lets go for those gas stealing Ukrainians :D little bastards, as for the whole RPG thing seems more of a vandeta but hey look lets just get over this move and on.

[El-Sefarad]

But what is there to resist if you are just as bad as the enemy? (a general comment, so don't freak out) you can resist just by being better than the enemy, and not to fall on his level.


-jippo

thats what IDF try to do everyday.. just sad that the rest of the world dont appreciate that...compared to chechens, palestinians live in paradise!!

israelis are very patients.. sometimes too much! :fork:

but I understand russians reaction because chechens are a bunch of savages!!

[El-Sefarad]

Well they created the extremism (wich i dont accept any more than Russian imperialism) by their own actions. It wouldn matter to russians if they were cristian or jews. I should point out that im pro Israeli very strongly. I would be more concerned about Russia arming Iran or the growing anti semitism in Russia.. Could it be that Jews emigrated to Israel from Russia seem to have problems with their identity, opinion of a jewish friend of mine BTW..

yes I know very well that there is a strong anti semitism in russia, and also about all the other facts that you are talking.. and I agree..

but if I had to choose between russians and chechens, I'm pro russian without any hesitation! even if I know well that russia help Iran in their nuclear program...

[MalteseFalcon]

Difference in Politics bewteen Israel and Palestin to Chechnya and Russia as for the Iran Nuclear program money is money, but it sad cause Iran is probably helping the Chechens

[balkan_boy]

s*it... what happend in the 3rd picture?? is it a girl or a boy??
some nasty wounds... looks like he/she was POW

[Abakan94]

To all of these men who go into the field of battle, and forfill the duty that is given to them, I salute you.

I hope that God watches over them, heals their physical wounds, and heal any emotional wounds that they bear.


It's men like this that make my hheart go out to all veterans.

http://i1.tinypic.com/mipfmp.jpg

http://i1.tinypic.com/mipgev.jpg

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[Bia]

All this debate and argument is lame...

isnt that another forum...this is Pics N Vids and I like pics and vids
;)

[Gun commander]

ahhh this good scandinavian humanists ... I love the way they think.. they love so much humanity... they are so well thinkers..


Well, sometimes we just choke... And wonder why noone else think as good as we do. In the cold war era we thought that the US was as bad as the Soviet, despite the fact that Soviet repeatedly had submarines along swedish shores. Despite the fact that soviet invaded Tjeckoslovakia in ´68. Despite the fact that soviet had spies among the swedish military. And all along we had a hidden agenda with NATO, hoping that on the day of the soviet invasion everything would be forgotten and USMC were landing on the island of Gotland to maintain peace.

Nowadays, for examples, the swedish government has decided that noone, not even Russia, would dare to invade, therefore we can cut back on military budget. Noone are so bad sportsmen so they attack someone who don´t want a fight!

Thats why we have opions about everthing and really think that Bush and Putin gives a **** what PM Göran says...

[AnniHilatoR]

In the cold war era we thought that the US was as bad as the Soviet

Actually, it would be a mistake to say all Scandinavians are anti-Russian. I find Swedes to be more neutral. Fins however (in these forums), try to attack Russia in any way they can, even if it means supporting the bastard mujaheeds who want to make Chechnya an Islamic Republic. Sorry to burst your bubble Lurps, but that ain't happenin'. So STFU and stop bringing up 'Russian war crimes'.

[Jippo]

Finns and Chechnyans are the bastards for sure, Russians are way better.


-jippo

[Abakan94]

Finns and Chechnyans are the bastards for sure, Russians are way better.


-jippo
was that really necessary? Don't insult people

[Scyth]

call them rebels, freedom fighters - that change nothing, the same animals as in 9/11)

That's exactly the reasoning that landed you in so much trouble in Iraq. You have no clue about what the world is all about. How on earth is a Chechen linked to 9/11? They were all Saudis, and you guys still have excellent realtions with them. Please explain.....

[Scyth]

I also would appreciate a motive from the Mod who banned RPG7, so that we set the record straight.

[Hukatus]

Actually, it would be a mistake to say all Scandinavians are anti-Russian. I find Swedes to be more neutral. Fins however (in these forums), try to attack Russia in any way they can, even if it means supporting the bastard mujaheeds who want to make Chechnya an Islamic Republic. Sorry to burst your bubble Lurps, but that ain't happenin'. So STFU and stop bringing up 'Russian war crimes'.and what good has russia done for Finland?
nothing in the world happens just for no reason.

[Jippo]

was that really necessary? Don't insult people

You're right, but I'm Finnish. But it was stupid irony, I just hate it when people go: "Finns that..., Swedes are..., Germans so..., and so on and so on..."

It is never like that, peoples consist of persons and persons are always different and not a like. The above is just racism...


-jippo

[Kekkonen]

Those particular boys do indeed look lost.


I also would appreciate a motive from the Mod who banned RPG7, so that we set the record straight.

Probably disagreed with some of them.


what is a point of this THREAD?

What is the point with your threads where you only show pictures of the Russian army where they look good? To get a somewhat balanced view we need pictures from both extremes.

[Schizo]

Probably disagreed with some of them, that's usually enough to get banned.

You think what you wanna think. He is a terrorist supporter. He supported terrorists aka Chechen rebels.

[Dexx]

Being a conscript in the Russian Army is one of the worst things I can imagine. You are worthless. You gotta be a tough guy not to kill yourself.

[Snoshi]

Being a conscript in the Russian Army is one of the worst things I can imagine. You are worthless. You gotta be a tough guy not to kill yourself.

Well then pretty many guys are pretty tough

[Smok]

Showing dead civilians, crying children or sth like that is no doubt terrorists propaganda, but showing wounded soldiers or destroyed vehicles is not so obvious a part of prop.


Why? War is war. Showing dead civilians, crying children etc. is showing the true face of every war.
It doesn't matter if it is war in Iraq or WW2. War is always terrible.

[Lurps]

Actually, it would be a mistake to say all Scandinavians are anti-Russian. I find Swedes to be more neutral. Fins however (in these forums), try to attack Russia in any way they can, even if it means supporting the bastard mujaheeds who want to make Chechnya an Islamic Republic. Sorry to burst your bubble Lurps, but that ain't happenin'. So STFU and stop bringing up 'Russian war crimes'. So lets just bring up the other side only? Living in as a free man in a free country with long tradition in both, in can say that theres no way that any panslavist ultra nationalist can shut my mouth. Come and get us, dont hurt yourselfsrofl

[Snoshi]

So lets just bring up the other side only? Living in as a free man in a free country with long tradition in both, in can say that theres no way that any panslavist ultra nationalist can shut my mouth. Come and get us, dont hurt yourselfsrofl

flame bait?? Because that last sentence will sure start a discussion. No wonder Finns are living in 1939

[Lurps]

flame bait?? Because that last sentence will sure start a discussion. No wonder Finns are living in 1939 He said STFU.. Im not titled to reply?

[Snoshi]

He said STFU.. Im not titled to reply?

Who said STFU

[Lurps]

Actually, it would be a mistake to say all Scandinavians are anti-Russian. I find Swedes to be more neutral. Fins however (in these forums), try to attack Russia in any way they can, even if it means supporting the bastard mujaheeds who want to make Chechnya an Islamic Republic. Sorry to burst your bubble Lurps, but that ain't happenin'. So STFU and stop bringing up 'Russian war crimes'. Him. He even trys to say they havent killed civilians on purpose, or maybe a real man kills everybody thats not armed.

[Lurps]

flame bait?? Because that last sentence will sure start a discussion. No wonder Finns are living in 1939 Who are allways saying , never forget?

[Snoshi]

Who are allways saying , never forget?

little differnt this aint it

[Lurps]

little differnt this aint it How? We should have let them kill our people and taken to camps? Thats what they would have done. They killed allmost all Finns on their side of the border before the war. Massgraves are still found. We lost our second largest city and lot of property. Stalin was allied with Hitler. :roll: Finnish Jews wouldnt like your comments..

[Snoshi]

How? We should have let them kill our people and taken to camps? Thats what they would have done. They killed allmost all Finns on their side of the border before the war. Massgraves are still found. We lost our second largest city and lot of property. Stalin was allied with Hitler. :roll: Finnish Jews wouldnt like your comments..

SU started a war agaisnt Finland to kill finns? Finland was allied to Hitler, SU had no agression pact. Yeah finnish Jews probably like to ride this tanks

http://www.missing-lynx.com/library/other/finland/inaction/finland-9.jpg

[Lurps]

SU started a war agaisnt Finland to kill finns? Finland was allied to Hitler, SU had no agression pact. Yeah finnish Jews probably like to ride this tanks

http://www.missing-lynx.com/library/other/finland/inaction/finland-9.jpg They started the war to invade Finland. Did Hitler start his war to kill Jews, a new theory.. Actually the Molotov-Ribbentrob pact was more than we ever had with Germany. Germany promised Finland to Russia. We were only after what was stolen from us. We didnt attack Leningrad even after Hitler insisted, we could have broken the siege. We didnt cut the Murmansk railway when Churchill asked us not to. We refused to hand over Jews, they fought in the front, probably even in those tanks. Finnish svastika has nothing to do with the Nazi one. http://www.sodatkuvina.cjb.net/hakaristi.htm

[Gun commander]

Actually, it would be a mistake to say all Scandinavians are anti-Russian. I find Swedes to be more neutral.

Yeah, you must know. A 18-year old student living in the US!

[Jippo]

Yeah finnish Jews probably like to ride this tanks

http://www.missing-lynx.com/library/other/finland/inaction/finland-9.jpg

This sign has nothing to do with nazis. I doubt Finnish jews would have any problems fighting in such tank. It is a very nice historical emblem and I wish we still could use it. Too bad that nazis ruined the whole thing...


-jippo

[Hukatus]

In Finland the swastika was used as the official national marking of the Finnish Air Force and Army between 1918 and 1944. The swastika was also used by the Lotta Svärd organisation. The blue swastika was the good luck symbol used by the Swedish Count Eric von Rosen, who donated the first plane to the Finnish White Army during the Finnish Civil War. It has no connection to the Nazi use of the swastika but represents the Cross of Freedom, the oldest order in Finland. It also still appears in many Finnish medals and decorations and also on the flag of the president of Finland who is Grand Master of the Cross of Freedom. In the much respected wartime medals of honor it was a visible element, first drafted by Axel Gallen-Kallela 1918–19. Mannerheim cross with a swastika is the Finnish equivalent of Victoria Cross, Croix de guerre and Medal of Honor. Due to Finland's alliance with Nazi Germany in World War II, the symbol was abandoned as a national marking, to be replaced by a roundel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Finland

[Lurps]

Thanks bro.

[turska]

SU started a war agaisnt Finland to kill finns? Finland was allied to Hitler, SU had no agression pact. Yeah finnish Jews probably like to ride this tanks

http://www.missing-lynx.com/library/other/finland/inaction/finland-9.jpg

300 Jews served (out of 1500) in the Finnish army during the world war 2. 23 of them died during the war and bodies of nine couldnt be recovered and delivered to his home town for burials.

Even 3 finnish jews were awarded the iron cross by the germans.

Doctor Leo Skurnik got it after saving lifes of many wounded germans.

Captain Salomon Klass commanded a finnish batallion and his batallion rescued a german unit wich was cut off and surrounded by the russians.

Dina Poljakoff from Lotta Svärd organization was also awarded.

Altough none of them accepted it and refused to go into awarding ceremony.

[Scyth]

@Snoshi

I understand you are an Israeli of Russian origin (if I'm wrong about that my apologies). Your posts show that you still have very strong feelings about Russia. I read sthg the other day about Israelis of Russian/East European origin who still consider themselves East Europeans/Russians first and Isralei/Jewish second. Is this an accurate view? Doesn't it present some conflict of interest? Just curious thank you.

[Snoshi]

@Snoshi

I understand you are an Israeli of Russian origin (if I'm wrong about that my apologies). Your posts show that you still have very strong feelings about Russia. I read sthg the other day about Israelis of Russian/East European origin who still consider themselves East Europeans/Russians first and Isralei/Jewish second. Is this an accurate view? Doesn't it present some conflict of interest? Just curious thank you.

I dont consider myself east european, if Russian and Israeli intrests clash together i will be on the Israeli side.

[Saranof]

Yeah, you must know. A 18-year old student living in the US!

He is right about that, even though generalisation is stupid.

Man, this is fun.
People who don't live in Russia vs People who don't live in Russia but love the place loads!

[twominds]

thats what IDF try to do everyday.. just sad that the rest of the world dont appreciate that...compared to chechens, palestinians live in paradise!!

israelis are very patients.. sometimes too much! :fork:

but I understand russians reaction because chechens are a bunch of savages!!

There is just no way the conflict between the palestinians and the Israelis will ever end until people can stop looking at things in either or.. both sides have committed horrible autrocities in that conflict, Israel mass displacement of civillians, the wall being a flagrent violation of international law accuitting soldiers after killing innocent young girls - palestinians through countless attacks on purely civillian targets... Same goes for every conflict, even chechnya.. and as long as only one side is permitted to portray the "truth", which is the first casualty in any conflict, you cannot resolve the conflict in a lasting and consillatory manner... I agree that some of the pics RPG has posted earlier, and i pointed this out to him and hi did put up warnings, were unnecessary and from questionable sources and he has probably been provoking and wrong in his statements.. None the less, this last post contained only pictures and no comments.. not alone reason for a ban in my oppinion...
there done ranting...back to masters thesis..

[AnniHilatoR]

It is never like that, peoples consist of persons and persons are always different and not a like. The above is just racism...

Sorry 'bout that, I wasn't trying to be. It's just most Fins in these forums like bashing up Russia. I back up Russia even though I'm not even East European. Because of this, you guys think I'm a Russian student living in the US. And because I'm 17 I must be a moron. If I'm not mistaken, Silencer87 is not a veteran himself.

[Gun commander]

It's just most Fins in these forums like bashing up Russia.

Yeah, I have also notices that. I wonder how that can be... :roll:

[keimo lantio]

flame bait?? Because that last sentence will sure start a discussion. No wonder Finns are living in 1939

Please,don't humiliate yourself anymore by talking about history between Finland and former Soviet Union. You don't have any idea how common Finn thinks about it's neighbours. This board does not represent any joint opinions among Finns. Actually, doing conclusion about that based on posting on this forum is...retarded.

[Apathy]

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5126/eb7055b654b61781d860cdcef3b87e.gifhttp://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5126/eb7055b654b61781d860cdcef3b87e.gif

[BoyElroy]

lol...I was thinking more along the lines of Bubjar Gree.

[IRISH RANGER]

Nice Picks

[)I(EHbKA.]

8 pages of arguements, wtf is that all about?

[Schizo]

8 pages of arguements, wtf is that all about?

Don't bother to read. Just some regular terrorist propaganda.

NEXT.

[Ria]

Thanks for the pics. I am currently watching a documentary called "Soldat," about Russian boys fresh into the military (thanks Kekkonen). Quite terrible and eye-opening.

[RomanS]

Thanks for the pics. I am currently watching a documentary called "Soldat," about Russian boys fresh into the military (thanks Kekkonen). Quite terrible and eye-opening.

They showed a case that happened in some little regiment somewhere, and generalized the ENTIRE RUSSIAN MILITARY AS ONE

I have a lot of friends in different branches, divisions, and even agencies. They all say the same thing - "It happens, but not on the scale they try to show."

[Hukatus]

Don't bother to read. Just some regular terrorist propaganda.

NEXT.sorry but this must be one of the most retarded comments ever :cantbeli:

no one can hide the truth.


Case Study:
Military conscription/ Impressment
http://www.gendercide.org/case_conscription.html

Military conscription is a variant, perhaps the most destructive one, of corvée (forced) labour, an institution that has led to millions of overwhelmingly male deaths throughout history. As with corvée and imprisonment/incarceration, Gendercide Watch does not consider military conscription in and of itself to be a gendercidal institution. It is clearly a profoundly gender-selective one, however. And in many historical and current cases, the coerciveness of the conscription campaign (e.g., the use of "press- gangs" to round up draft evaders), and/or the sheer death-toll among conscripted males (particularly lower-class and less-educated males), warrants use of the term "gendercide." Conscription should also be understood as a major means by which ordinary men are brutalized and indoctrinated into committing atrocious and genocidal acts against civilian populations or disarmed enemy forces.

Russia



Russia offers possibly the worst case of abuses and atrocities against conscript troops, though its pursuit of draft "dodgers" is not as savage as some other countries'. Most of the worst cases are found within the Russian military itself, where murders, suicides, starvation, and torture are rife. In a 1998 feature, The Economist described life and death in the brutal Russian army:

For an entrance to a death-machine, the conscription centre in eastern Moscow looks remarkably inoffensive. The 1.5m-strong Russian armed forces killed 1,270 of their own young men last year according to official figures, though some observers say the number could be five times higher. For comparison, nine years [of fighting] in Afghanistan cost -- officially -- 15,000 Soviet lives. In recent years, some have even died of cold or malnutrition. Yet the new conscripts and their mothers, strolling recently through these warm, well-painted corridors at the start of the autumn call-up, provide dutiful explanations of why they want to serve their country. "It'll make a man of him," says one mother, whose younger son is among the autumn's total of 158,000 conscripts. As a means of manly education, two years in Russia's army leave a lot to be desired.

Dedovshchina, the routine bullying of new conscripts by their seniors, is so brutal that it produces dozens of suicides. Officers can behave horribly: not long ago one of them had two soldiers thrown into a three-metre-deep pit -- as was revealed when the pit cover collapsed in the night, killing one of the soldiers.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4148/foto28049vg.th.jpg (http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=foto28049vg.jpg)

For modern warfare, which generally requires small armies of ready-to-go professionals, there is little military point in conscription. Russia sticks with it chiefly because the country cannot afford a fully professional force. Soldiers spend much of their time foraging for food. Recently, the defence ministry advised them to catch fish and pick wild mushrooms to supplement their winter diet. ... Some of the more senior [officers] act as brokers for their juniors' forced labour on building sites or in the fields. ...

"The army is slavery, and we are slaves," says Vladimir Skripkin, of the Anti-Militarist Radical Association, which campaigns against conscription.

As the above account illustrates, one of the biggest problems is dedovshchina (hazing), the rituals by which younger and weaker conscripts are humiliated and brutalized by their officers and peers. According to Le Monde, the practice may be traced back to the 1980s, "when the army began to allow into its ranks common-law criminals who introduced practices they had learnt in labour camps. Others see the phenomenon as an integral part of Russian society, which is excessively hierarchical." One soldier's letter, described as typical, read as follows: "Dear Mother ... Shortly after I joined the regiment on October 27 I was beaten up in the canteen by Sergeant R. because he thought I'd given him 'a dirty look.' Next day, although I had got leave for family reasons, I was prevented from leaving by the commander of our battalion because my bruises were too visible. They shut me up for a week on a diet of bread and water. A week later, five of the dyadi [soldiers who have served for more than a year] hit me with their belt buckles because I'd washed the floor of their barrack-room without permission. I got hit repeatedly on the head, in the ribs and in the genitals. I passed out." (Marie Jego, "Missing, presumed bullied to death," Le Monde, May 2 1996 [in the Manchester Guardian Weekly, June 9 1996].)



Daniel Williams of the UK Guardian Weekly described "Volodya, a young man with boyish fuzz on his lean cheeks," who, fearing death, "deserted, fled to St. Petersburg and hid in the anonymous high-rise neighborhoods of the city's periphery":

Volodya has joined the legion of deserters and draft dodgers on the run from the army, a once-proud institution that has become a chamber of horrors spread across 11 time zones. Unrestrained hazing and material deprivation await youths who answer their country's call to serve. Killings, suicides and abuse are the backdrop of a soldier's life. ... The Defense Ministry says 42,000 deserters are on the lam at any time. Officials are defensive or dismissive about complaints that the service is brutal. But hardly a month goes by without some scandal reaching the public eye.

Williams interviewed Volodya at the offices of the Soldiers' Mothers Committee in St. Petersburg, where "mothers and sons learn how to avoid the draft":

Co-chairman Ella Poliakova opened a recent lecture with a brief eulogy for Pvt. Sergei Floch, 18, who his officers say hanged himself with his leather belt in his barracks. Poliakova had investigated and found the explanation wanting. Floch had written to his parents of beatings and abuse, imploring, "Don't let my brother join the army." Poliakova and an assistant inspected Floch's zinc box when his remains were returned to St. Petersburg and found that he was not dressed in his own uniform and had scratches on his hands and slashes on his neck. At the base, Poliakova said, soldiers told her that a barracks bully had been arrested and spirited off the day Floch's body was found. An initial death certificate included descriptions of blows to the head and internal injuries. Then another certificate was issued saying his death was caused by hanging. "If it is a suicide, the army does not have to pay for the burial. So it is always a suicide," Poliakova told the audience. (Williams, "Russian Conscripts Fear Enemy in Own Ranks," Guardian Weekly [date unavailable].)

The Soldiers' Mothers of Russia was founded by Lyubov Lymar "after the body of her son, Oleg, an army sergeant, was found with his tongue cut off." The organization claimed (in 1992) "40,000 cases each year of murders, maimings and suicides of junior military conscripts. The group also wants the government to pay compensation to the families of victims." ("Mothers protest deaths in Russian army," The Globe and Mail, August 4 1992.) During the disastrous Russian war in Chechnya (1994-95), the organized carried out what one Committee member referred to as "the biggest unauthorised kidnapping of soldiers by their mothers" yet attempted. They succeeded in securing the release of many of their children captured by Chechen separatists (Jego, "Missing, presumed bullied to death"). Similar strategies were attempted during the renewed Russian campaign in Chechnya in 1999.

Recent news:

http://www.cbsnews.com/images/2006/01/26/imageMOSB82501261902.jpg

Have you seen this man?

It's a photo of Andrei Sychev, until recently a 19-year-old conscript at a tank academy in the eastern town of Chelyabinsk.

Concern grows over abuse and beating of conscripts
Nick Paton Walsh in Moscow
Friday February 3, 2006
The Guardian

(...)

He was reportedly beaten and tortured by his superior officers during a drunken rage on New Year's Eve, during which he was tied to a chair and repeatedly hit. He did not receive medical treatment for several days, by which time gangrene had set in, forcing doctors to amputate his legs, genitals and fingers.

On February 3, The Russian military was facing growing public anger when, amid a flurry of high-profile cases of abuse, a senior officer was convicted of hiring his troops out as slave labour and pocketing the fees. A Russian military court fined Vladimir Kontonistov 60,000 roubles (Ł1,200) and barred him from command for three years.

Kontonistov was deputy commander of a division of the Strategic Rocket Forces in Siberia's Novosibirsk region, a unit that services Russia's nuclear missiles.

The cases have drawn attention once again to the wretched conditions suffered by military conscripts. All Russian men are supposed to serve two years in the military between the ages of 18 and 28. Reports of brutal initiation ceremonies and bullying are common.

The media reported 10 serious incidents in the past 24 hours. In one case, Yevgeny Koblov, a soldier serving in Khabarovsk in the Russian far east, was heavily beaten in May last year, but lay in a basement for 24 days before receiving medical treatment. He may also have to have his legs amputated, as may another conscript from Ekaterinberg who reportedly has similarly serious leg injuries.

While few are now sent to serve in the violent North Caucasus, near Chechnya, it is estimated that hundreds die each year through accidents or through the ritualistic bullying inflicted by superior officers. Forty-six soldiers died of non-combat injuries in one week alone last year.

40,000 cases each year of murders, maimings and suicides of junior military conscripts - but hell yeah, let's make a man out of 'em!

[Nickel1106]

All this debate and argument is lame...

isnt that another forum...this is Pics N Vids and I like pics and vids
;)
AGREE
threads abt russia or China etc on MP.net pics and vids section always trend to a political flame war,and dudes seems love to have rap battle in here more than in P & R section.....

[Holycrusader]

sorry but this must be one of the most retarded comments ever :cantbeli:

no one can hide the truth.



40,000 cases each year of murders, maimings and suicides of junior military conscripts - but hell yeah, let's make a man out of 'em!

They have 300 suicides per year. Oficial quata...
In Poland we have circa 30, but we have smaller army

Ido not know anything about maiming and murders numbers

If you believe in 40 000 cases. Ok let it be :)

[Schizo]

sorry but this must be one of the most retarded comments ever :cantbeli:

no one can hide the truth.



40,000 cases each year of murders, maimings and suicides of junior military conscripts - but hell yeah, let's make a man out of 'em!

Sorry, but you're dumbass. Where the hell did you see me talking about what you've just posted ?!
My comment was aimed towards the maker of this thread and his propaganda pictures.

Thanks for showing the forum your great "wisdom".

[Roy Batty]

They showed a case that happened in some little regiment somewhere, and generalized the ENTIRE RUSSIAN MILITARY AS ONE

I have a lot of friends in different branches, divisions, and even agencies. They all say the same thing - "It happens, but not on the scale they try to show."

I don't want to start an argument with you my friend but if it happens to ONE soldier, that is ONE to many. If any soldier in my army was beaten by superiors and it was found out about the outcry would be deafening.

[nick_ua]

If any soldier in my army was beaten by superiors and it was found out about the outcry would be deafenin
so how many soldiers in Your army, general

[JTAR7242]

so how many soldiers in Your army, generalIs that even relevant?

He could be part of the Lichtenstinian Army and that would still be outrageous.


We're not talking about some simple hazing in good fun like pinning, or blood striping.

[homerj109]

Great article thanks!! I have seen a few documentaries and talk shows on how bad they have it but I wasnt aware of the exact statisitics till now.

The number of conscripts killed and injured by their own is horrific.

There have been around 2,000 US military deaths in Operation Iraqi Freedom, 1,000 of them combat related. Thats is basically 1,000 deaths in a 3 year period of hard fighting. Whereas 1,270 Russian Conscripts have been KILLED BY THEIR OWN, not to mention all the suicides. And all of this is in boot camp or while just living on base.

Obviously something needs to be done, what a sad article, yet it does put things in perspective and should open some eyes.


sorry but this must be one of the most retarded comments ever :cantbeli:

no one can hide the truth.



40,000 cases each year of murders, maimings and suicides of junior military conscripts - but hell yeah, let's make a man out of 'em!

[asch]

40,000, omg!
and Elvis was an alien.

bull(s)hit.

[sergey31]

I heard that a lot of Russian soldiers have nothing to eat and thus resolve to cannibalism...... At first they ate their own and then it moved to captured Chechen youth.

Sick I tell you, What is this world coming to? And to think I was going to visit Russia this summer...Forget that, not with this shiet going on.

[nick_ua]

We're not talking about some simple hazing in good fun like pinning, or blood striping.

in a mtter facts it is important.
So what are we talking here, do you know.
Do you know a subject do you know how the things going on over there, General.

I can find a lot sh*t going in a world which are outregeous, like mom, cut the ears of the disabled son, or amreican soldiers torturing some people in irag, or making ****, or other crazy shi*, but hey you prefer to bul**** about something you have no idea.
Why is that? Cause you fell knowledgeble enough to do that.
I don't think so.
So what are you talking about general?

[nick_ua]

I heard that a lot of Russian soldiers have nothing to eat and thus resolve to cannibalism...... At first they ate their own and then it moved to captured Chechen youth.
or you have no idea how the things are bad overthere.
and when they run out of the bodies between the soldiers, in a midnight when the moon is full the go out and eat some citisenzs, the siping blood from the people, taking the skin, kids, they are still alive, but these soldiers so hungry they don't care.

don't go back, they might take you too, cause they aware about what horrible things you are writing on this board.
watch out

[homerj109]

:(

"Official figures acknowledge that so far in 2003, 2,500 servicemen have been the victims of bullying. Sixteen have died.

A further five have been killed by their commanders.

Military observers believe that the real figure may be higher than this. The Russian military has a history of disguising deaths from bullying as accidents, or even suicide.

The officially issued figure for suicides among servicemen has been around 300 a year over the past few years.

While some of these are officers and warrant officers who have become disillusioned with what appears to be the hopelessness of military life, 70% are conscript soldiers in their first year - the most common victims of bullying. "

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/10/20/russia9525.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3756866.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3931801.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3106368.stm

http://www.cdi.org/russia/328-12.cfm

[Holycrusader]

:(

"Official figures acknowledge that so far in 2003, 2,500 servicemen have been the victims of bullying. Sixteen have died.

A further five have been killed by their commanders.

Military observers believe that the real figure may be higher than this. The Russian military has a history of disguising deaths from bullying as accidents, or even suicide.

The officially issued figure for suicides among servicemen has been around 300 a year over the past few years.

While some of these are officers and warrant officers who have become disillusioned with what appears to be the hopelessness of military life, 70% are conscript soldiers in their first year - the most common victims of bullying. "

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/10/20/russia9525.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3756866.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3931801.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3106368.stm

http://www.cdi.org/russia/328-12.cfm

Better numbers here
so 2500 NOT 42000
and
16 not 2000

As to the HRW read their report about Americans human rights violations :D

[asch]

how touching. there is a people who use HRW as reliable source.
i'm impressed.

[Roy Batty]

in a mtter facts it is important.
So what are we talking here, do you know.
Do you know a subject do you know how the things going on over there, General.

I can find a lot sh*t going in a world which are outregeous, like mom, cut the ears of the disabled son, or amreican soldiers torturing some people in irag, or making ****, or other crazy shi*, but hey you prefer to bul**** about something you have no idea.
Why is that? Cause you fell knowledgeble enough to do that.
I don't think so.
So what are you talking about general?

Your right, the world is full of crazy ****e. What do I know? Well first off it's not General, it's Corporal and I know there are 60,000 troops in the Army that I serve in ( hence "my army" ). You say I'm bull****ting about something I know knothing about well I never said this crap happens in the Russian army all I said was if it happens to ONE ( read my fu@king lips) soldier then that is one to many. As for it happening in my army, well I serve everyday in the military so I have an educated opinion about what happens in uniform in this country. I suggest you learn to re-read posts before you jump abourd someone and step back and calm your Nationalistic pride before jumping to conclusions "general".

Sig

[sergey31]

don't go back, they might take you too, cause they aware about what horrible things you are writing on this board.
watch out

I wont go back....Not after all the scary and disturbing information coming out from there.
I live in California, do you think those "Russian soldier" can get to me here?
...... I might invest in good home security.

[Kekkonen]

Better numbers here
so 2500 NOT 42000
and
16 not 2000

Official Russian figures... hmmmmm.

[Abakan94]

Never mind. I wont stoop down this low

[VISTREL]

I wont go back....Not after all the scary and disturbing information coming out from there.
I live in California, do you think those "Russian soldier" can get to me here?
...... I might invest in good home security.

LOL, sarcasm ?!..:D

I don't think anyone can deny that army is in poor shape whether you're russian or not. We need more criticism of army so they do something about it. Hell, even during USSR times, back in 1989 I was in my father's airbase in Kaliningrad, and we were trading apples for bullets to some soldiers cos they were hungry.

[rhino]

LOL, sarcasm ?!..:D

I don't think anyone can deny that army is in poor shape whether you're russian or not. We need more criticism of army so they do something about it. Hell, even during USSR times, back in 1989 I was in my father's airbase in Kaliningrad, and we were trading apples for bullets to some soldiers cos they were hungry.

but transparency is not the "russian way", the "russian way" is to suck up and cary on!

seriesly, denying or minimizing the problem is not going to make it go away

[Kekkonen]

but transparency is not the "russian way", the "russian way" is to suck up and cary on!

Russian way is to blame everything on others, and not taking responsibility for own actions, a cultural heritage from the Soviet times perhaps.

[rhino]

Russian way is to blame everything on others, and not taking responsibility for own actions, a cultural heritage from the Soviet times perhaps.

shiite, I tought that had changed with Pieriestroyka

[Sergei]

To bring order to the ranks is to produce professional sergeants, and I mean professional, who do it on a daily basis and not some cheap-ass 2-year serving sergeants who yesterday was dukhi themselves and decided to be cool guys today. And I am not talking about only russian army but ukrainian as well.
Time to bring professionalism into the corps. I haven't heard a single case of hazing in the 5th Motorised brigade which was in Iraq, maybe because everybody was doing what they had to do, and people going there were on a contract rather than recruited to serve.

[nick_ua]

You say I'm bull****ting about something I know knothing about well I never said this crap happens in the Russian army all I said was if it happens to ONE ( read my fu@king lips) soldier then that is one to many

that's right. this is exactly what I'm saying, you don't know **** about that army you talking about.
And I never said the russian army doesn't have any problems, I never said that. It does, and a lot of problemm, but it's not your fu**g bussines to fix this problem right.
So bul****ing about somethiong you got from your newspapers is not a good idea.
Got my point. It's pretty much like I would start shi***g about US army based on this scandals brought up by media or British army about based on a recent article too
Do I do that? No. Do you see anybody doing that? I don't.
So what makes you think you can?


I live in California, do you think those "Russian soldier" can get to me here?
...... I might invest in good home security.

Hell yeh, they can get you here I know couple in northern Ca.
I can hook you up with the good security, depends what city are you visiting

[homerj109]

Better numbers here
so 2500 NOT 42000
and
16 not 2000

As to the HRW read their report about Americans human rights violations :D


Aw man I didnt even touch on their report in Chechnya. ;p