Hundreds slaughtered in Ugandan camp

[EvanL]

Survivors describe how rebels massacred over 200 civilians



BARLONYO CAMP, Uganda (AP) - Okao Lujino was herding his cattle at sunset when he saw rebels of the feared Lord's Resistance Army walking single file toward a refugee camp in northern Uganda.
A whistle sounded and the guerrillas fanned out - hacking, shooting and burning alive more than 200 unarmed civilians, including Lujino's wife and their five-year-old daughter.

Lujino and other survivors gave horrific accounts today of the rebel raid on Barlonyo camp, where the stench of burned flesh hung in the air and huts smouldered two days after one of the worst rebel attacks of a 17-year-old insurgency.

Government forces swept through the countryside today in pursuit of the Lord's Resistance Army, regional army spokesman 2nd Lt. Chris Magezi said.

In the town of Lira, 24 kilometres south of the camp, doctors treated dozens of wounded, some of whom writhed on the ground in pain.

"I heard dogs barking ... all of a sudden I looked back and saw many, many rebels in uniform," Lujino said, as nurses dressed a bullet wound to his thigh. "When they saw me they stopped. One of them blew a whistle. Then they started moving in a cow-horn shape around the camp. Then they started firing."

Crawling on his knees, Lujino took cover behind a tree before fleeing into the swamp as the rebels clashed with about 30 members of a local defence force charged with protecting the camp, home to about 5,000 people.

The defence force was quickly overwhelmed, and the rebels began burning alive entire families as they cowered in their homes, witnesses said. An Associated Press reporter saw six charred bodies today.

Legislator Charles Angiro said camp officials calculated that 206 civilians had been massacred.

Lujino, 42, said the rebels beat his wife, covered her with grass and set her on fire. They took a machete to his young daughter's neck, he said, mortally wounding her. Three of his children survived.

Today, the hospital in Lira was overflowing with wounded, including two badly burned young boys who sat in silence as doctors pulled dead skin from their bodies.

"When we tried to run outside the hut, they would shoot you; when you remain inside, they burn you," said George Okot, as he winced in pain from gunshot wounds to his leg.

The violence raised questions about the government's claims that it is defeating the rebel group, which has said it wants Uganda to be governed by the Ten Commandments.

"This is a real massacre ... we appeal to the international community to come in to intervene and to bring this carnage to an end ... The government has tried its best, but it seems it has failed," Angiro said while visiting the camp.

The International Criminal Court at The Hague, Netherlands, announced today it would investigate the attack, and Chief Prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo issued a statement promising "those bearing the greatest responsibility will be prosecuted."

It wasn't clear when the court would send investigators to Uganda; it would be the first time UN prosecutors have gone to gather evidence in the field.

In Ottawa today, Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham said in a statement that "Canada strongly condemns this deplorable attack against civilian men, women and children. This horror only compounds the misery of those who have been driven from their homes in the course of the conflict."

Graham urged the Ugandan government to end the conflict without causing further suffering to civilians and indicated that Canada and other countries are prepared to work with the government to explore ways of protecting internally displaced persons.

Magezi, the Ugandan army spokesman, said military attacks on the rebels prompted the deadly raid.

"They have been losing heavily and so they had to revenge by killing civilians," he said, adding that soldiers killed 26 rebels in a neighbouring district over the weekend.

The group rose from the remnants of a revolt by soldiers from the Acholi tribe after President Yoweri Museveni, a southerner, seized power in 1986 after leading his own five-year bush war. The Acholi is the dominant tribe in northern Uganda.

The Lord's Resistance Army, led by Joseph Kony, has abducted thousands of children to use as fighters, smugglers and *** workers, and estimates of its size range from hundreds to a few thousand.

Government and army officials often claim to be crushing the rebellion, and Museveni regularly visits the north to oversee military operations. But the attacks continue, and more than one million people from northern and eastern Uganda live in camps for fear of rebel raids.

In 2002, the Sudanese government - which Museveni had accused of giving support to the insurgents - agreed to permit Ugandan troops to enter neighbouring southern Sudan to destroy rebel bases.

But the operation drove the rebels into northern Uganda, where the attacks intensified, causing thousands of children to flee to towns each night.

"We are seriously pursuing the attackers, that's the only way, because they have refused to talk peace," Magezi said. "We shall hunt them militarily and kill them wherever they will be hiding."

[Skaman]

Jesus, this is horrible, this makes me absolutely sick to my stomach to read about such inhuman acts. The viciousness and mercilessness is unfathomable. What is truly sad is that this is a cyclical problem, reminiscent of the genocide in Rwanda some ten years prior. My head pounds with anguish and disgust knowing this goes on. What is wrong with the human race, are we destined to kill each other? I hope something is to be done; no-one deserves to live a life like this.

[Skaman]

No replies! Come on, this should be an important topic to discuss, or are we too enthralled with discussing our first ****** encounter? :cantbeli:

[EvanL]

its sad but dont expect replies too quickly.
Lets not go off topic from here duci. I dont want you to start arguing how americans have no compassion.

[Skaman]

its sad but dont expect replies too quickly.
Lets not go off topic from here duci. I dont want you to start arguing how americans have no compassion.


Agreed. May I ask, what do you think should be done to remedy this reemerging problem in Uganda?

[EvanL]

its sad but dont expect replies too quickly.
Lets not go off topic from here duci. I dont want you to start arguing how americans have no compassion.


Agreed. May I ask, what do you think should be done to remedy this reemerging problem in Uganda?
theres not much we can do. most of the problems in Africa are tribal, from hundreds of years ago.
I dont want to say leave it up to the continent of Africa as a whole, but develop a sort of all-african intervention force, backed by the UN or maybe EU.
or i could go into usa320 mode and suggest covert spec ops to take out the head rebel leaders, and set up HUMINT cells thorugh the CIA.
But thats not that easy. and wont solve much.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Ya its pretty sick that happened, ironically these "rebels" are fighting to get the government ruled by the ten commandments. When they've pretty much broken every commandment there is (except for adultry but who knows if they are willing to kill childern....).

I think its about time some other country steps in, and stabilizes the area. I couldnt care less what country goes in, as long as it gets done. NATO Peacekeepers would do, but they are often too slow to react to things like this. So unfortuneatly more will die while people sit on there thumbs, dogfawking on the idea of actually stepping in to do something.

[Skaman]

its sad but dont expect replies too quickly.
Lets not go off topic from here duci. I dont want you to start arguing how americans have no compassion.


Agreed. May I ask, what do you think should be done to remedy this reemerging problem in Uganda?
theres not much we can do. most of the problems in Africa are tribal, from hundreds of years ago.
I dont want to say leave it up to the continent of Africa as a whole, but develop a sort of all-african intervention force, backed by the UN or maybe EU.
or i could go into usa320 mode and suggest covert spec ops to take out the head rebel leaders, and set up HUMINT cells thorugh the CIA.
But thats not that easy. and wont solve much.


Education creates jobs which will create social stability and stabilize political restlessness. Military force is only a preliminary method in bringing peace. The same conflict will return unless the chain is broken. We must establish a market for these people so they can be self sufficient. Unless we contribute some serious financial attention to these nations, we will be consistently dumping military into these regions for the years to come. The chain must be broken, and the solution is education. Before we can educate them, we must earn their respect and appreciation, additionally, a long process.

[EvanL]

its sad but dont expect replies too quickly.
Lets not go off topic from here duci. I dont want you to start arguing how americans have no compassion.


Agreed. May I ask, what do you think should be done to remedy this reemerging problem in Uganda?
theres not much we can do. most of the problems in Africa are tribal, from hundreds of years ago.
I dont want to say leave it up to the continent of Africa as a whole, but develop a sort of all-african intervention force, backed by the UN or maybe EU.
or i could go into usa320 mode and suggest covert spec ops to take out the head rebel leaders, and set up HUMINT cells thorugh the CIA.
But thats not that easy. and wont solve much.


Education creates jobs which will create social stability and stabilize political restlessness. Military force is only a preliminary method in bringing peace. The same conflict will return unless the chain is broken. We must establish a market for these people so they can be self sufficient. Unless we contribute some serious financial attention to these nations, we will be consistently be dumping military into these regions for the years to come. The chain must be broken, and the solution is education. Before we can educate them, we must earn their respect and appreciation, additionally, a long process.
It has to be stabilised first. You cant just go in and open up schools and expect things to change.

[ArmedPacifist]

What can we do? Stop their traditional tribal war and ****ounce their customs are unjust?

[Skaman]

its sad but dont expect replies too quickly.
Lets not go off topic from here duci. I dont want you to start arguing how americans have no compassion.


Agreed. May I ask, what do you think should be done to remedy this reemerging problem in Uganda?
theres not much we can do. most of the problems in Africa are tribal, from hundreds of years ago.
I dont want to say leave it up to the continent of Africa as a whole, but develop a sort of all-african intervention force, backed by the UN or maybe EU.
or i could go into usa320 mode and suggest covert spec ops to take out the head rebel leaders, and set up HUMINT cells thorugh the CIA.
But thats not that easy. and wont solve much.


Education creates jobs which will create social stability and stabilize political restlessness. Military force is only a preliminary method in bringing peace. The same conflict will return unless the chain is broken. We must establish a market for these people so they can be self sufficient. Unless we contribute some serious financial attention to these nations, we will be consistently be dumping military into these regions for the years to come. The chain must be broken, and the solution is education. Before we can educate them, we must earn their respect and appreciation, additionally, a long process.
It has to be stabilised first. You cant just go in and open up schools and expect things to change.

[Skaman]

What can we do? Stop their traditional tribal war and ****ounce their customs are unjust?

not at all, read my suggestion.

[SeanAshi]

I couldnt care less what country goes in, as long as it gets done. NATO Peacekeepers would do, but they are often too slow to react to things like this I would be for sending American troops there but its not up to me, someone needs to get in there before it ends up like Rwanda, The United States should have gotten involved in that, why we didn't :cantbeli:

[EvanL]

I couldnt care less what country goes in, as long as it gets done. NATO Peacekeepers would do, but they are often too slow to react to things like this I would be for sending American troops there but its not up to me, someone needs to get in there before it ends up like Rwanda, The United States should have gotten involved in that, why we didn't :cantbeli:Contrary to popular belief. Americans arent always wanted. No matte how much good the U.S. means, its not always best to send in the U.S. people see it as being an enforcer and become intimidated by its presence. Smaller countries like Norway would fare better. not in the hot weather of course though ;)

[Flagg]

I reckon people fall into two philosophical camps:

1.)People are inherently good :D

2.)People are inherently evil :-*$

I choose #2....and believe the only thing that keeps the fabric of a civil society together is the FEAR of punishment outweighing any gains from crimes committed.

As far as this incident goes....sounds like enthnic hatred making itself known once again.....hard to deal with when national boundaries on the continent don't necessarily make enthnic/cultural sense....

[Skaman]

I couldnt care less what country goes in, as long as it gets done. NATO Peacekeepers would do, but they are often too slow to react to things like this I would be for sending American troops there but its not up to me, someone needs to get in there before it ends up like Rwanda, The United States should have gotten involved in that, why we didn't :cantbeli:Contrary to popular belief. Americans arent always wanted. No matte how much good the U.S. means, its not always best to send in the U.S. people see it as being an enforcer and become intimidated by its presence. Smaller countries like Norway would fare better. not in the hot weather of course though ;)


, we must earn their respect and appreciation, additionally, a long process.

No one wants to be helped by the “school bully” or what one commonly perceives as the ‘schoolyard bully’. Send a European contingent, or Canadian, or Commonwealth. Don’t send the yanks alone though.

[EvanL]

I couldnt care less what country goes in, as long as it gets done. NATO Peacekeepers would do, but they are often too slow to react to things like this I would be for sending American troops there but its not up to me, someone needs to get in there before it ends up like Rwanda, The United States should have gotten involved in that, why we didn't :cantbeli:Contrary to popular belief. Americans arent always wanted. No matte how much good the U.S. means, its not always best to send in the U.S. people see it as being an enforcer and become intimidated by its presence. Smaller countries like Norway would fare better. not in the hot weather of course though ;)


, we must earn their respect and appreciation, additionally, a long process.

No one wants to be helped by the “school bully” or what one commonly perceives as the ‘schoolyard bully’. Send a European contingent, or Canadian, or Commonwealth. Don’t send the yanks alone though.
Canada doesnt have the resources to commit itself to another mission at this time.
Like i said, an african intervention force. Nigerians, Safricans, and some of those smaller west african countries. Give them someone they are familiar with.

[Skaman]

I reckon people fall into two philosophical camps:

1.)People are inherently good :D

2.)People are inherently evil :-*$

I choose #2....and believe the only thing that keeps the fabric of a civil society together is the FEAR of punishment outweighing any gains from crimes committed.

As far as this incident goes....sounds like enthnic hatred making itself known once again.....hard to deal with when national boundaries on the continent don't necessarily make enthnic/cultural sense....



Morality is learned, it is not inherent. We are by nature as Jacques Rousseau puts it, a people governed by 'state of nature'

French author and philosopher Jean-Jacques Rousseau (1712-1778) published The Social Contract, perhaps his most influential work, in 1762. In this treatise, Rousseau suggests that man once lived in a "state of nature," enjoying complete freedom. Rousseau argued that people had to fashion a civil society that they could control and in which they could be free.

[SeanAshi]

How many were killed in Rwanda?

[Skaman]

I couldnt care less what country goes in, as long as it gets done. NATO Peacekeepers would do, but they are often too slow to react to things like this I would be for sending American troops there but its not up to me, someone needs to get in there before it ends up like Rwanda, The United States should have gotten involved in that, why we didn't :cantbeli:Contrary to popular belief. Americans arent always wanted. No matte how much good the U.S. means, its not always best to send in the U.S. people see it as being an enforcer and become intimidated by its presence. Smaller countries like Norway would fare better. not in the hot weather of course though ;)


, we must earn their respect and appreciation, additionally, a long process.

No one wants to be helped by the “school bully” or what one commonly perceives as the ‘schoolyard bully’. Send a European contingent, or Canadian, or Commonwealth. Don’t send the yanks alone though.
Canada doesnt have the resources to commit itself to another mission at this time.
Like i said, an african intervention force. Nigerians, Safricans, and some of those smaller west african countries. Give them someone they are familiar with.


The force must do more than 'restore stability', and frankly, a South African or Nigerian force does not posses the financial backing to develop these backwards nations. When one nation is rebuilt, it can in-turn support the next, creating a domino affect of sorts. Ultimately, wealthy G-8 nations must take the burden of this effort.

[Skaman]

How many were killed in Rwanda?


800, 000 as I recall

[Flagg]

No one wants to be helped by the “school bully” or what one commonly perceives as the ‘schoolyard bully’. Send a European contingent, or Canadian, or Commonwealth. Don’t send the yanks alone though.

I'm shocked Duci....that you would even consider the Europeans...as they are the ones who defined the national boundaries that often defy logic and act as a catalyst for enthnic infighting on the continent.

I reckon Africa needs a disciplined AFRICAN force paid, trained, equipped, led, and sanctioned to be "The Law" in Africa, where there is no law....but when leaders like Quaddafi and Mugabe are respected by their peers in Africa....I can't help but think that continent is F'd until they get decent leadership.

[EvanL]

How many were killed in Rwanda?
I think 2million.
I just got the book by the Canadian General in charge in Rwanda (gen. Romeo Dallaire)
You should check it out if your interested. Its called shaking hands with the devil. the collapse of humanity in Rwanda or something like that.

[EvanL]

No one wants to be helped by the “school bully” or what one commonly perceives as the ‘schoolyard bully’. Send a European contingent, or Canadian, or Commonwealth. Don’t send the yanks alone though.

I'm shocked Duci....that you would even consider the Europeans...as they are the ones who defined the national boundaries that often defy logic and act as a catalyst for enthnic infighting on the continent.

I reckon Africa needs a disciplined AFRICAN force paid, trained, equipped, led, and sanctioned to be "The Law" in Africa, where there is no law....but when leaders like Quaddafi and Mugabe are respected by their peers in Africa....I can't help but think that continent is F'd until they get decent leadership.
Amen to that my Kiwi brethren.

[Skaman]

No one wants to be helped by the “school bully” or what one commonly perceives as the ‘schoolyard bully’. Send a European contingent, or Canadian, or Commonwealth. Don’t send the yanks alone though.

I'm shocked Duci....that you would even consider the Europeans...as they are the ones who defined the national boundaries that often defy logic and act as a catalyst for enthnic infighting on the continent.

I reckon Africa needs a disciplined AFRICAN force paid, trained, equipped, led, and sanctioned to be "The Law" in Africa, where there is no law....but when leaders like Quaddafi and Mugabe are respected by their peers in Africa....I can't help but think that continent is F'd until they get decent leadership.

We MUST earn their respect. Read the post about Rosseau as well.

[Skaman]

How many were killed in Rwanda?
I think 2million.
I just got the book by the Canadian General in charge in Rwanda (gen. Romeo Dallaire)
You should check it out if your interested. Its called shaking hands with the devil. the collapse of humanity in Rwanda or something like that.


Although the exact number killed in the genocide is still unknown, it is estimated that at least 800,000 people were killed during the 13 weeks of slaughter in mid-1994 in Rwanda. Among the dead were three fourths of Rwanda's total Tutsi population.

http://www.fatherryan.org/holocaust/rwanda/prevent.htm

[SeanAshi]

Rwanda
Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 39.33 years
male: 38.51 years
female: 40.18 years
- Thats terrible, thats not even half the life expectancy most other countries have.

[Flagg]

We MUST earn their respect. Read the post about Rosseau as well.

WE??? Not me mate....unless ordered by NZDF

And if by THEIR, you mean Mugabe and the rest of the brain trust of criminals leading Africa..you are insane....I don't want or need THEIR respect......I want them gone so Africans can one day stand a chance at a decent standard of living and "luxuries" like death from something other than a bullet, starvation, or AIDS and maybe, just maybe, outliving all of their children.



Morality is learned, it is not inherent. We are by nature as Jacques Rousseau puts it, a people governed by 'state of nature'

Unfortunately, any philosophy more complicated than basic fight/flight responses is wasted on Africa...as most Africans are not yet able to enjoy reading philosphy in Starbucks as their continent was savaged by imperial colonization, resource exploitation, and coldwar rivalry.

[Skaman]

We MUST earn their respect. Read the post about Rosseau as well.

WE??? Not me mate....unless ordered by NZDF

And if by THEIR, you mean Mugabe and the rest of the brain trust of criminals leading Africa..you are insane....I don't want or need THEIR respect......I want them gone so Africans can one day stand a chance at a decent standard of living and "luxuries" like death from something other than a bullet, starvation, or AIDS and maybe, just maybe, outliving all of their children.



Morality is learned, it is not inherent. We are by nature as Jacques Rousseau puts it, a people governed by 'state of nature'

Unfortunately, any philosophy more complicated than basic fight/flight responses is wasted on Africa...as most Africans are not yet able to enjoy reading philosphy in Starbucks as their continent was savaged by imperial colonization, resource exploitation, and coldwar rivalry.


I think you are missing the point.

[Flagg]

I think you are missing the point.

How ironic! I was thinking the SAME exact thing.....and we're both speaking English and live in comparable and "friendly" nations/cultures....just imagine how difficult it would be if we were from divergent, hostile tribes speaking different languages...those would be fightin' words....now where's my RPG?

[Flagg]

whoops...double post edit

[Seiyuuki]

No one wants to be helped by the “school bully” or what one commonly perceives as the ‘schoolyard bully’. Send a European contingent, or Canadian, or Commonwealth. Don’t send the yanks alone though.

So...this after preaching about how the Yanks aren't doing enough in the "Savior of the World Department" for Uganda?

Who's worse? The "school bully" or their former "colonial's boss?"...Choose wisely child.

[Seiyuuki]

Jesus, this is horrible, this makes me absolutely sick to my stomach to read about such inhuman acts. The viciousness and mercilessness is unfathomable. What is truly sad is that this is a cyclical problem, reminiscent of the genocide in Rwanda some ten years prior. My head pounds with anguish and disgust knowing this goes on. What is wrong with the human race, are we destined to kill each other? I hope something is to be done; no-one deserves to live a life like this.

I have to say, I don't sense too much sincerity in that.

You're like the preacher's wife in the "Simpsons" that scream..."Somebody think of the children!!!" but we all know how she is.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Education creates jobs which will create social stability and stabilize political restlessness. Military force is only a preliminary method in bringing peace. The same conflict will return unless the chain is broken. We must establish a market for these people so they can be self sufficient. Unless we contribute some serious financial attention to these nations, we will be consistently dumping military into these regions for the years to come. The chain must be broken, and the solution is education. Before we can educate them, we must earn their respect and appreciation, additionally, a long process.


Instead of throwing buzz words around, how about concrete solutions to the problems. How exactly are you/we/us going to earn their respect and appreciation?.


May I ask, what do you think should be done to remedy this reemerging problem in Uganda?


Start by understanding that far from 're-emerging', the 'problem' has been around for eighteen years. At least in that particular country.


No one wants to be helped by the “school bully” or what one commonly perceives as the ‘schoolyard bully’. Send a European contingent, or Canadian, or Commonwealth. Don’t send the yanks alone though.


As far as Africans in general are concerned, anyone who has paler skin than they is a 'bully'. Which kind of narrows down potential candidates.


We MUST earn their respect.

HOW

Have your served in or spent any time at all on the African continent ducimus?, it doesn't sound like it. I think you would find your intellectual arrogance

these backwards nations would end up having any Africans you came into contact with stereotyping you as the typical white man in their eyes.

You think no one has ever tried to help Africa?. Trillions have been spent on aid; education, horticulture, medicine, public works etc. Hundreds of thousands of people have devoted themselves to helping Africa in a practical sense and many thousands have paid for it with their lives.

The majority of the problems have already been highlighted in this thread and quite eloquently to by the way Flagg and EvanLoyd.
Solutions need to be realistic, useing one liners like 'stabilize political restlessness' or 'create social stability' is pointless and shallow.

Go and visit Africa ducimus, not a package holiday at a resort, but the REAL Africa. Then see if it matchs the perspective your ivory tower has given you.

I'd like to see how long your naivety lasts............

[fisheyestudio]

Hey howdy hey!

This sort of slaughter makes me sick. When it is done in "the name" of the "Lord" it is even worse. Does anyone know any more details about the rebels and their religious beliefs. I agree with the post about how ironic it is that they want to be ruled by the ten commmandments and yet are breaking about all of them...this is "religion" at its best/worse.

I also agree with the idea that humanity is now inherently "evil". Sure, there are moments when even the worst criminals see a cute puppy and say "aaaawwww", but at the heart of it, the dead nature always does what it does for selfish reasons. The ironic thing about the Ten commandments in this situation is that they were given to point out that very nature and cause people to cry out for "help".

The only answer is the one that Jesus express to Nicodemas, "you" must be "born again". Gotta get a new "want to". Thats my prayer for Africa and this whole world. That people who know the good news would stop with all the "religious crap" and share with the world the way to Life.

My prayers go out to that whole continent.
Jesus blessings!
chris holloman

[Skaman]

No one wants to be helped by the “school bully” or what one commonly perceives as the ‘schoolyard bully’. Send a European contingent, or Canadian, or Commonwealth. Don’t send the yanks alone though.

So...this after preaching about how the Yanks aren't doing enough in the "Savior of the World Department" for Uganda?

Who's worse? The "school bully" or their former "colonial's boss?"...Choose wisely child.


We need American help, but we must act collectively. Unfortunately, without American economic assistance, international effort would be weakened.

I think most European states have changed quite a lot since the days of "Cecil Rhodes" :roll:

[Trident-za]

Good post, Ngati Tumatuenga

Solving Africa's problems is an incredibly complex task, and quite frankly I've got no idea how to go about it. All the points raised by Ducimus are fine, except that as Ngati has pointed out - its one thing saying "create social stability and stabilize political restlessness", its another thing entirely to effectively implement that. How do you remove hundreds of years of tribal hatred and distrust? (this is just the obvious example to use, but it would be a big mistake to blame all the violence purely on tribalism - its a lot more complicated than that)

Even removing the obvious bad guys won't necessarily help. Mugabe and people like him should be removed, but there are always others just like them as replacements. And more important, the social conditions that allow these guys to get in power and stay there are not removed just because you toppled a dictator.

[martinexsquaddie]

a start would be to take an ac 130 on a whirlwind tour and give the good news to the LRA.

[California Joe]

Or Bruce Willis and a SEAL team on a secret mission.......

[Trigger]

...and a hot Italian doctor.

What?

[HooyahCQB]

Send the 22nd GS Brownie Troop.

No but really, this is very important, because this stuff goes on every day in Africa. I did a report on Rwanda one time. The genocide in 1994 was terrible (yeah, stating the obvious). The US didn't get involved much because of what happened in Somalia.

[Skaman]

Education creates jobs which will create social stability and stabilize political restlessness. Military force is only a preliminary method in bringing peace. The same conflict will return unless the chain is broken. We must establish a market for these people so they can be self sufficient. Unless we contribute some serious financial attention to these nations, we will be consistently dumping military into these regions for the years to come. The chain must be broken, and the solution is education. Before we can educate them, we must earn their respect and appreciation, additionally, a long process.


Instead of throwing buzz words around, how about concrete solutions to the problems. How exactly are you/we/us going to earn their respect and appreciation?.


May I ask, what do you think should be done to remedy this reemerging problem in Uganda?


Start by understanding that far from 're-emerging', the 'problem' has been around for eighteen years. At least in that particular country.


No one wants to be helped by the “school bully” or what one commonly perceives as the ‘schoolyard bully’. Send a European contingent, or Canadian, or Commonwealth. Don’t send the yanks alone though.


As far as Africans in general are concerned, anyone who has paler skin than they is a 'bully'. Which kind of narrows down potential candidates.


We MUST earn their respect.

HOW

Have your served in or spent any time at all on the African continent ducimus?, it doesn't sound like it. I think you would find your intellectual arrogance

these backwards nations would end up having any Africans you came into contact with stereotyping you as the typical white man in their eyes.

You think no one has ever tried to help Africa?. Trillions have been spent on aid; education, horticulture, medicine, public works etc. Hundreds of thousands of people have devoted themselves to helping Africa in a practical sense and many thousands have paid for it with their lives.

The majority of the problems have already been highlighted in this thread and quite eloquently to by the way Flagg and EvanLoyd.
Solutions need to be realistic, useing one liners like 'stabilize political restlessness' or 'create social stability' is pointless and shallow.

Go and visit Africa ducimus, not a package holiday at a resort, but the REAL Africa. Then see if it matchs the perspective your ivory tower has given you.

I'd like to see how long your naivety lasts............



I won’t attempt to dissect the idiocy of this post yet I will allude to a pertinent story you would seem to overlook.
I have friends who have traveled to Africa, built windmills and wells in Tanzania. The people welcome the aid workers with open arms. The villages begged them to stay. They lived among the locals for seven months, and cried when they left. They had become part of the family unit, respected and loved, not feared and loathed as ‘white kids’. I have not been there unfortunately, but have you ever heard of something called 'appeal to authority?"

We have made mistakes in the past and now it is time we made amends for the burden we caused Africa. We stole their people as slaves, we segregated them, we hunted them, we colonized them, and we abused them. Nonetheless, a lot has changed since the days of Cecil Rhodes and now its time to make a decent contribution to that beautiful continent.

[ibstolidude]

I won’t attempt to dissect the idiocy of this post yet I will allude to a pertinent story you would seem to overlook.
I have friends who have traveled to Africa, built windmills and wells in Tanzania. The people welcome the aid workers with open arms. The villages begged them to stay. They lived among the locals for seven months, and cried when they left. They had become part of the family unit, respected and loved, not feared and loathed as ‘white kids’. I have not been there unfortunately, but have you ever heard of something called 'appeal to authority?"

We have made mistakes in the past and now it is time we made amends for the burden we caused Africa. We stole their people as slaves, we segregated them, we hunted them, we colonized them, and we abused them. Nonetheless, a lot has changed since the days of Cecil Rhodes and now its time to make a decent contribution to that beautiful continent.

When are you going to shut up already and go? You seem soo eager to tell everyone else how to resolve the world's problems. When are you going to cowboy the **** up, belly up to the bar and do something yourself? Just ****ing go...stop the damn whining and go do something about it. Contrary to your belief, your internet contributions are not aiding the world. Sorry dude, but it has become a broken record of whining and bitching.... stop telling the world how to fix the problems, go fix them.

[Flagg]

When are you going to shut up already and go? You seem soo eager to tell everyone else how to resolve the world's problems. When are you going to cowboy the f*** up, belly up to the bar and do something yourself? Just f*** go...stop the damn whining and go do something about it. Contrary to your belief, your internet contributions are not aiding the world. Sorry dude, but it has become a broken record of whining and bitching.... stop telling the world how to fix the problems, go fix them.

Well done.....

I'll pitch in $50 bucks for the plane ticket to Kampala......I hope you DON'T take me up on it as you'll need to provide your own CSAR.

[Jack Mehoff]

I'll pitch in $100

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

I won’t attempt to dissect the idiocy of this post yet I will allude to a pertinent story you would seem to overlook.
I have friends who have traveled to Africa, built windmills and wells in Tanzania. The people welcome the aid workers with open arms. The villages begged them to stay. They lived among the locals for seven months, and cried when they left. They had become part of the family unit, respected and loved, not feared and loathed as ‘white kids’. I have not been there unfortunately, but have you ever heard of something called 'appeal to authority?"

We have made mistakes in the past and now it is time we made amends for the burden we caused Africa. We stole their people as slaves, we segregated them, we hunted them, we colonized them, and we abused them. Nonetheless, a lot has changed since the days of Cecil Rhodes and now its time to make a decent contribution to that beautiful continent.

Won't or can't?.


a pertinent story you would seem to overlook.

How can you overlook something you've never heard........ rofl

So you've got 'friends' who've been to Africa. Well i'll see your second hand experience, raise you my first hand experience and reiterate the fact that your talking through a hole in your arse.
Which has not gone unnoticed.

I'll ask you again ducimus, give us some valid, workable solutions to the continents problems.

Without the buzz words.

If you can.

Or have you run out of books and magazines to plagiarise.............

Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity

How ironic........