CQB Tactics

[thsf121821]

I am lookign for any websites or pictures that have diagrams of correct CQB tactics for stack teams, fir squads, single men, etc.. Anything in picture form or simple text that gives the correct tactics for ffective CQB. thanks

[Seraphim]

http://www.netpresonic.com/lego/seals/02270058.jpg

[TriggerPuller]

I am lookign for any websites or pictures that have diagrams of correct CQB tactics for stack teams, fir squads, single men, etc.. Anything in picture form or simple text that gives the correct tactics for ffective CQB. thanksYou gotta be ****tin me!!!!!!!!
tell me the reason and i may have some leads for you.

TP

[MVSpartan117]

http://www.netpresonic.com/lego/seals/02270058.jpg

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

Thanks for the laugh!

Ok here's your first tip.

Send someone you don't like into the room, if they don't come out, don't go in.

[ibstolidude]

...here let me do your research for you,I hope this will suffice until I can find some FOUO:

I did not create it and some signals are specific but it was fwded to me by a Dallas SWAT officer (no joke) in prep for some SOP revision a long time ago...good luck I hope it helps.

http://www.petebevin.com/archives/signals.html

try a little intro and background it may go a long way to getting help.

[James]

That was funny.

[Midav]

http://www.netpresonic.com/lego/seals/02270058.jpg

rofl rofl rofl

Man, that was good!!

[thsf121821]

my airsoft unit has a big game this weekend in bridgewater, mass at a mock MOUT complex, they have multipe buildings, banks, chruches etc.. we were looking for some diagram to work with before we go do some shooting. thanks

[Seraphim]

2days of looking at my lego diorama arent going to help. Just play and have fun.

[Nondescript]

Just buy the Ranger Handbook (SH 21-76)

It contains a lot of useful information about everything.

[NcDeuce]

http://www.ranger.org/images/photoGallery/2001/cqb.jpg

Bang, bang, bang.

[OzMan]

Buy the book "The Art of High Risk Entry".

[ibstolidude]

my airsoft unit has a big game this weekend in bridgewater, mass at a mock MOUT complex, they have multipe buildings, banks, chruches etc.. we were looking for some diagram to work with before we go do some shooting. thanks
Thanks for the background see how much more helpful people can be.

I would suggest hitting up LE books and sources... only thing I can offer was .mil except for the usual comments about updated 7-8 etc so good luck.

[-=TFN=-Karab]

Here's a room clearing technique:
1) Team lines up outside the entrance (against the wall). First man faces towards door, second man too, third man faces 90 degrees from wall, last man covers the back. Do this very quickly. Second man throw in a flashbang (which I doubt you will have; skip that if not).

2) Move into the room very very quickly. First man follows the wall he entered by, and goes to the far corner of the room. Second member goes the opposite wall and goes to the far corner. Then third man goes in along the #1's wall and goes to the near corner. Last man follows #2's wall and goes to near corner. (Clear the place and fire when needed, secure the room.)

Here's a pic I drew for ya... Not great, but I think it gets the point across.
http://www.members.lycos.nl/sfkarab/images/CQB.JPG

As for MOUT... Stay low, don't pop your head above windows. Smoke the place if possible. Move quickly and stay in any shadows. Check all corners, and operate with your team.

Why don't you get a map of the place? That helps a lot, then you can plan what you will do. Plan where you clear first, get objectives (if you have any), etc.

[JiJoMacLE45]

Stoli, we have that diagram hanging up in our equipment cage. It's a classic

You want CQB tactics, crash course, get your pencil and paper. Here we go . . . . . shoot the bad guys, not the good guys. Simple enough.

[Beowulf]

Here's a room clearing technique:
1) Team lines up outside the entrance (against the wall). First man faces towards door, second man too, third man faces 90 degrees from wall, last man covers the back. Do this very quickly. Second man throw in a flashbang (which I doubt you will have; skip that if not).

2) Move into the room very very quickly. First man follows the wall he entered by, and goes to the far corner of the room. Second member goes the opposite wall and goes to the far corner. Then third man goes in along the #1's wall and goes to the near corner. Last man follows #2's wall and goes to near corner. (Clear the place and fire when needed, secure the room.)

Here's a pic I drew for ya... Not great, but I think it gets the point across.
http://www.members.lycos.nl/sfkarab/images/CQB.JPG



Over-penetration boys and girls...this is a good example of how not to clear a room, unless you wanna shoot your buddy...

[TriggerPuller]

Here's a room clearing technique:
1) Team lines up outside the entrance (against the wall). First man faces towards door, second man too, third man faces 90 degrees from wall, last man covers the back. Do this very quickly. Second man throw in a flashbang (which I doubt you will have; skip that if not).

2) Move into the room very very quickly. First man follows the wall he entered by, and goes to the far corner of the room. Second member goes the opposite wall and goes to the far corner. Then third man goes in along the #1's wall and goes to the near corner. Last man follows #2's wall and goes to near corner. (Clear the place and fire when needed, secure the room.)

Here's a pic I drew for ya... Not great, but I think it gets the point across.
http://www.members.lycos.nl/sfkarab/images/CQB.JPG



Over-penetration boys and girls...this is a good example of how not to clear a room, unless you wanna shoot your buddy...First we get a guy who has never been in the Military asking for CQC techniques and then a wannabe answering it and not getting it right!! When will the madness ever stop?

TP

[JiJoMacLE45]

I was thinking the same thing but I'd figure I'd let him find out the hard way.

[James]

1. Breach wall with SMAW/AT-4/breaching charge. Do not use existing doors or windows.
2. Toss frag through hole. Maybe two.
3. Enter and shoot everybody, regardless of their condition.

Wait, that's not CQB...

[Beowulf]

1. Breach wall with SMAW/AT-4/breaching charge. Do not use existing doors or windows.
2. Toss frag through hole. Maybe two.
3. Enter and shoot everybody, regardless of their condition.

Wait, that's not CQB...

...Marines...get to have all the fun ;)

[Apogee]

http://www.members.lycos.nl/sfkarab/images/CQB.JPG



Those interlocking fields of fire are going to interlock the good guys to death

[JiJoMacLE45]

That's about the only entry team I'd want to be the breacher on.

[James]

1. Breach wall with SMAW/AT-4/breaching charge. Do not use existing doors or windows.
2. Toss frag through hole. Maybe two.
3. Enter and shoot everybody, regardless of their condition.

Wait, that's not CQB...

...Marines...get to have all the fun ;)

That is the way low speed high drag grunts do it.

[ibstolidude]

1. Breach wall with SMAW/AT-4/breaching charge. Do not use existing doors or windows.
2. Toss frag through hole. Maybe two.
3. Enter and shoot everybody, regardless of their condition.

Wait, that's not CQB...

...Marines...get to have all the fun ;)

That is the way low speed high drag grunts do it.
What about the SAW around the corner technique?

For me to hit the wall with an AT4; A. I am too close or B. it is a big ****ing wall.
I was a dirt shooting mutherfarker with an AT4. Granted we were shooting up a fair distance and across a hill, but most of the shots hit nothing but dirt. Now that was a disappointment.

[TriggerPuller]

1. Breach wall with SMAW/AT-4/breaching charge. Do not use existing doors or windows.
2. Toss frag through hole. Maybe two.
3. Enter and shoot everybody, regardless of their condition.

Wait, that's not CQB...

...Marines...get to have all the fun ;).....and the Women!! :D

TP

[FallenAngel]

1. Breach wall with SMAW/AT-4/breaching charge. Do not use existing doors or windows.
2. Toss frag through hole. Maybe two.
3. Enter and shoot everybody, regardless of their condition.

Wait, that's not CQB...

"Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out" eh James? :lol:

Or, you could call in CAS. Get an F-16/18 to drop a Mk82 on it, take out the whole building- not just the room :D

[wyrm_142]

Personally I vote for the 2000# GPS guided strike from high and far variety. Heck JDAMs don't even click like LGBs do.

Edit to add: short fuze timing (<10ms) for anything less than three 'standard' floors.

[thsf121821]

how do you know i am not in the military?

[TriggerPuller]

how do you know i am not in the military?Anything is possible. But a Military man shouldnt need to ask such a question! If you are in the Military you are not an operator and really dont have a need for this type of info. And please dont tell me it is for airsoft games!

TP

[mustamato]

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v33/mustamato/CQB.jpg

How it can be done, if there is in example a man in the house that you want
to arrest. In a military situation you would just burn the house down. And
of course a good leader adapts to each unique situation, depending on how
big the room is, etc. Law enforcment = Flashbang first. Military = Handgrenade
first.

[ibstolidude]

then use the appropriate hand and arm signal:
http://www.petebevin.com/archives/signals/29down.gif
We haven't Got A Chance


http://www.petebevin.com/archives/signals/41column.gif
Stay in Front of me Where it is safe

[mustamato]

http://www.petebevin.com/archives/signals/41column.gif
"Wohooo boys, we whooped their asses, let´s go for a beer now"

[Salty Dog]

http://www.petebevin.com/archives/signals/41column.gif

*stereotypical gay voice* "grrrrrr, i'm a tiger, thats right, a big nasty tiger!grrrrrr....."

[FallenAngel]

And please dont tell me it is for airsoft games!

TP

Actually TP, he already did... :lol:


my airsoft unit has a big game this weekend in bridgewater, mass at a mock MOUT complex, they have multipe buildings, banks, chruches etc.. we were looking for some diagram to work with before we go do some shooting. thanks

[OzMan]

Here, I'm a wannabe, let's see how I do...

Try a Wall Flood, "the safest technique in existance" - Chuck Habermehl.

Odds always go left, evens always go right. #1 and #2 fill corners of door wall, first scanning side walls, then back walls as #3 and #4 enter the room. #3 and #4 enter scanning back walls. All 4 have distinct, straight firing lanes. No crossfires to deal with.

Half-ass description/diargram:

Corridor stack: 1234 or 4321, depending on which side of the door you're on, which "doesn't matter" - Chuck Habermehl.

Lanes:
1 3 4 2
All on door wall.

Need clarification? Let me know.

[ibstolidude]

dont forget the importance of the roll as you enter the room.
NEVER underestimate how effective and classy a good roll can be.

another good idea, if there are 2 of you; it is always also keen if one kneels and the other stands above the one, each facing to opposite side, yet still have their faces slightly towards the camera - umm, I mean the center of the room.

[James]

1. Breach wall with SMAW/AT-4/breaching charge. Do not use existing doors or windows.
2. Toss frag through hole. Maybe two.
3. Enter and shoot everybody, regardless of their condition.

Wait, that's not CQB...

"Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out" eh James? :lol:

Or, you could call in CAS. Get an F-16/18 to drop a Mk82 on it, take out the whole building- not just the room :D

I was a grunt. We did MOUT rather than CQB. Given the option, my weapons of choice would be a radio and a pair of binos.

[SABER 2-3]

Beowulf,
The "Most important rules" are classified! Now everyone is gonna look cool, next thing you know they all got a Ex-wife, a Rolex, a class ring,etc.

As for CQB, all of ya'll are making it way more complicated than it is...My team has a rotation and when its your turn you get the most high speed weapon available, some throwing knives (even our rambo knives have secondarys) and a backpack full of tools (you know, NVGs, super fireball grenades, electronic lock picker, whatever) and then we insert you. But only after we have established that its a suicide mission that only a raving lunatic would accept. Just remember when your done KATN's to call us so we can come in and clean/cover up what you have just done while you spout off stuff like " Negotiations were terminated" and " Figure it out, I quit"

[Herrmannek]

Throw greanade...if this doesn't help, call russian artilery...then change tactics from CQB to Open Spaces Battle...

[TriggerPuller]

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v33/mustamato/CQB.jpg

How it can be done, if there is in example a man in the house that you want
to arrest. In a military situation you would just burn the house down. And
of course a good leader adapts to each unique situation, depending on how
big the room is, etc. Law enforcment = Flashbang first. Military = Handgrenade
first.I think you better stick to your Liberal politics cause you dont know **** about CQC/CQB!

TP

[Beowulf]

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v33/mustamato/CQB.jpg

How it can be done, if there is in example a man in the house that you want
to arrest. In a military situation you would just burn the house down. And
of course a good leader adapts to each unique situation, depending on how
big the room is, etc. Law enforcment = Flashbang first. Military = Handgrenade
first.I think you better stick to your Liberal politics cause you dont know **** about CQC/CQB!

TP

:lol: I was waiting for that...

[JiJoMacLE45]

I hope the bad guys are finding this same **** on the internet that you guys are and thinking that's how its really done. It'll make my job a little easier.

First off Mustamato, if we're talking about arresting a bad guy in a house, minus hostages w/ minimal threat to any surrounding residents, the chances we are going tactical is slim to none. The negotiators will talk the guy to death before we are allowed to tactically resolve the situation. Second, it is not as simple as tossing in a 'bang' and storming the freakin place and slapping on the metal bracelets. We only use flashbangs when we absolutely have too, maybe your going into a meth lab with flamable fumes, maybe there are small children being held hostage and we won't use a bang to avoid harming them, maybe HQ just doesn't want us using distraction devices b/c it will wake up the neighbors. The best tactical option, is never having to go tactical in the first place.

Not everyone room is a square twenty by twenty foot room where you can put four men inside and they have clear fields of fire with one bad guy sitting in a chair at the other end. Door position, the location of furniture, access to the area, the number of bad guys, the number of non-hostiles all determine how SWAT teams will approach a situation.

You've never been there, you've never done it. You want to learn CQB tactics, talk to your local recruiter. Four years from now come back and talk to me. Your playing airsoft for christ sakes, you're not a damned SEAL. Shut the f_ck up.

[mustamato]

I think you better stick to your Liberal politics cause you dont know **** about CQC/CQB!

TP

Didn´t you say that "I´m ignoring you now you bloody terrorist-
symphatizer, let´s hope our ways will cross one day mate". Indeed,
then you can show me how it´s done. I´m not law enforcement and have
never claimed to be either, when we trained shiat like this in the military
it was enough for me to understand that the best option is just to burn
the house down. A Iraqi freedom fighter in a house could shoot 100 like
you entering it. It´s not exactly difficult to defend.

So my guess on how it´s done is as good as yours I guess. Mate.



First off Mustamato... etc

Thus the, "this is how it can be done".

[JiJoMacLE45]

Then don't post your friggin 'guesses' if that is all they are. You said you have no idea how it's done, then don't attempt to show an attempt to get an idea.

[mustamato]

Then don't post your friggin 'guesses' if that is all they are. You said you have no idea how it's done, then don't attempt to show an attempt to get an idea.

Didn´t I exactly say "when we trained shiat like this in the military"?

[JiJoMacLE45]

JiJoMacLE45 wrote:

First off Mustamato... etc


Thus the, "this is how it can be done".

If 'how' you want to get it done is getting your own guys waxed, then fine by me. They obviously didn't teach you well enough in that military if your posting diagrams that are blatantly wrong.

[Beowulf]

Not everyone room is a square twenty by twenty foot room where you can put four men inside and they have clear fields of fire with one bad guy sitting in a chair at the other end. Door position, the location of furniture, access to the area, the number of bad guys, the number of non-hostiles all determine how SWAT teams will approach a situation.



:lol: I had the opportunity to do a mini-SFAUC course at a Mout city. One of the instructors put a metal bar just inside and to the right of the door, and elevated one end on a rock.

We had been doing entry on the same room all morning, over and over and over, rotating positions in the stack. It was my turn up front , and th eother team and instructor just sat in the back of the room waiting for me to come in and trip over that damned pole. They didn't even set up any targets, just that pole.

Luckily, by that point I had learned (edit: some useful stuff regarding movement and stance) and didn't trip and bust my ass, but it was pretty close. Good training though, I won't forget that anytime soon. I'd love to go to the real SFAUC course one day.....

[JiJoMacLE45]

I have a similiar story. I just finished CMTT(SWAT) selection the previous month and this is my first weekend of real training w/ the actual team. I'm jacked, cause here I am, brand new guy and I gotta make a good impression on the old dogs, right? Man was I wrong.

We're doing room entries and our team sgt is changing the variables every time we enter the room. It had gone pretty smooth all morning, now it's my turn to be #1. The door is the in the center of the wall so we've gotta peel going in as opposed to just scooting down the walls. 'All right, breath, breath, showtime.' Door get's kicked and I peel around the corner. The f_cking sgt had placed two easy chairs on either side of the door, so I go in hell bent for leather so focused on looking for hostiles/non-hostiles that I take this chair right in the thighs and go feet over ass right into the floor. The rest of the guys come in behind me and clear the room, but here I am, the cherry doing a two and a half into the pike position straight into the floor. I still hear about that one.

[Trigger]

Screw that JiJo, they should just have you walk straight into the room.

The bad guys would be all 'hey, it's Ron Jeremy! WTF?' meanwhile your backup secures the room. Simple.

[JiJoMacLE45]

RJ*'d be a hell of UC. Nobody would suspect he's the heat.

*I refer to Mr Jeremy as RJ b/c over the years he and I have formed a bond that has helped me few quite a few tough(read lonely) situations.

[Trigger]

Shut up! You'll lure Seoulstroker in here and everyone will leave. :P

[JiJoMacLE45]

"Fitting my fat ass into a closet w/ a Hawaiian shirt and track pants on"

[ibstolidude]

Not everyone room is a square twenty by twenty foot room where you can put four men inside and they have clear fields of fire with one bad guy sitting in a chair at the other end. Door position, the location of furniture, access to the area, the number of bad guys, the number of non-hostiles all determine how SWAT teams will approach a situation.



:lol: I had the opportunity to do a mini-SFAUC course at a Mout city. One of the instructors put a metal bar just inside and to the right of the door, and elevated one end on a rock.

We had been doing entry on the same room all morning, over and over and over, rotating positions in the stack. It was my turn up front , and th eother team and instructor just sat in the back of the room waiting for me to come in and trip over that damned pole. They didn't even set up any targets, just that pole.

Luckily, by that point I had learned (edit: some useful stuff regarding movement and stance) and didn't trip and bust my ass, but it was pretty close. Good training though, I won't forget that anytime soon. I'd love to go to the real SFAUC course one day.....



It was my turn up front , and th eother team and instructor just sat in the back of the room waiting for me to come in and trip over that damned pole. They didn't even set up any targets, just that pole.

What kind of assholes would do that! :oops:

Too bad "glenda" wasn't with you - as much as I love that guy, it would have been great for him to be first in. Perhaps he would have done his special SCARS technique on it?

[Beowulf]

Holy sh*t...."glenda" would have definitely busted his ass, that sorta stuff was definitely not his strong point. i.e. bragg live fire :cantbeli:

I was just pissed b/c we would have gotten to go back to the hotel, instead of staying out there.

[ibstolidude]

Holy sh*t...."glenda" would have definitely busted his ass, that sorta stuff was definitely not his strong point. i.e. bragg live fire :cantbeli:

I was just pissed b/c we would have gotten to go back to the hotel, instead of staying out there.
what you don't prefer the "just sleep in the freezing damp cold, without any real gear, till you get it right, learning methods"

Supposedly a story about someone :roll: "smacking" him or some **** during that didn't bode well with the new Det O, when it was overheard from other people. And **** Mac he was pay hurt and left way early (right after the "incident") for a Casa jump, never to return.

[Beowulf]

good times.....can't believe mac got a Casa jump and got to avoid that cluster-f-.... :roll:

[CX20]

Here's a room clearing technique:
1) Team lines up outside the entrance (against the wall). First man faces towards door, second man too, third man faces 90 degrees from wall, last man covers the back. Do this very quickly. Second man throw in a flashbang (which I doubt you will have; skip that if not).

2) Move into the room very very quickly. First man follows the wall he entered by, and goes to the far corner of the room. Second member goes the opposite wall and goes to the far corner. Then third man goes in along the #1's wall and goes to the near corner. Last man follows #2's wall and goes to near corner. (Clear the place and fire when needed, secure the room.)

Here's a pic I drew for ya... Not great, but I think it gets the point across.
http://www.members.lycos.nl/sfkarab/images/CQB.JPG

You are an idiot.


thsf121821 wrote:
how do you know i am not in the military?


Well? Are you? Yes or no. You can't make a post hinting like that, then run away and disappear off the rest of the thread.

JiJo, congratulations on getting on your team. How was your selection? Over here we have to complete an assault course wearing a respirator, as well as being abseil and shotgun trained, all as part of selection before even undertaking the training course. (Over here shotguns are only used for breaching, not for general use and are considered a specialist weapon only used by tactical firearms officers)

[Rakki]

Just out of curiosity... what would you guys do if the occupants decide to place a coupla planks with nails hammered through them in the corners and the doorway?

[TriggerPuller]

I have a similiar story. I just finished CMTT(SWAT) selection the previous month and this is my first weekend of real training w/ the actual team. I'm jacked, cause here I am, brand new guy and I gotta make a good impression on the old dogs, right? Man was I wrong.

We're doing room entries and our team sgt is changing the variables every time we enter the room. It had gone pretty smooth all morning, now it's my turn to be #1. The door is the in the center of the wall so we've gotta peel going in as opposed to just scooting down the walls. 'All right, breath, breath, showtime.' Door get's kicked and I peel around the corner. The f_cking sgt had placed two easy chairs on either side of the door, so I go in hell bent for leather so focused on looking for hostiles/non-hostiles that I take this chair right in the thighs and go feet over ass right into the floor. The rest of the guys come in behind me and clear the room, but here I am, the cherry doing a two and a half into the pike position straight into the floor. I still hear about that one.Hey hedge hog FWIW you are OK by me!!

TP

[duck]

The fire support section would be hammering ahead of the advancing troops anyway. Heavy machineguns, snipers, MK 19:s, possibly mortars/artillery or CAS. AND there would be a smoke screen in a wartime situation. After a few HE shells any planks and nails are not an issue anymore.

[JiJoMacLE45]

I was lucky in that I had a large selection class. We received a federal grant that allowed us to double our team in size from 15 to 30 guys, so I went through with ten other officers, as opposed to two or three as it usually is. So I received a little less flack seeing as that there were more of us to harass. But I heard all the "well in my day they killed half the guys going through and up hill both ways in the snow" and all that crap.

Anyway, it was a kick in the balls. After passing all the sundry physical, psychological, and other wise BS tests then came the fun part. Selection day. It's actually two days. Being on the team is additional duty so we have to beg, borrow, and steal time from our regular functions. Those of us going through, along with about half of the team members, were able to get an entire weekend off where we got put through all types of fun activities like O course runs, stress shooting courses, distance runs, PT sessions, we went down to state fire school for some time in the smoke tower, etc. Luckily everyone passed.

It's a blast though. Our team sgt is super squared away as are all of our TLs. We're still doing alot of the follow on training, we spent a week down south at a shooting school learning some tricks of the trade in the spring, our state level tac team has hosted some training evolutions, all in all its a blast. I've only been onboard for about seven months but it's been a great ride so far.

Now I just have to put in enough time to get off the damn perimeter team.

[JiJoMacLE45]

Hey hedge hog FWIW you are OK by me!!

TP, considering your background and experience level, that means alot.

[TriggerPuller]

Hey hedge hog FWIW you are OK by me!!

TP, considering your background and experience level, that means alot. Got a lot of respect for the guys that put their ass on the line everyday and you post well,unlike me who screams and yells at everyone!
I actually hung(no pun intended) out with RJ at a party in the Hollywood hills one night,absolute nice guy and funny!!

TP

[JiJoMacLE45]

Guys like me only get to put our asses on the line b/c guys like you have been out in the weeds putting your ass on the line. The respect is mutual.

Now on a lighter note, back to yelling a liberals.

[SABER 2-3]

Now I just have to put in enough time to get off the damn perimeter team.

I feel for you brother!!! You will be stoked out of your head when you get assigned to a Assault Element (on our team you move up to Breacher on the secondary assault element, usually doing Breach and Hold/ Break and Rake and Emergency Assault Team). And don't feel bad about the chair (I hope you yelled COVER on the way to the ****e) I got one even better. Try being the F-up newbee breacher assigned to distraction device deployment, on his first real world operation, who after performing a text book device deployment; in a not so quite way announced "BOOM!" right before the device did. I'm sure you can figure out why I...ERR...he did that. Just remember, those perimeter/containment are people too....on second thought I take that back. 1*

[JiJoMacLE45]

Yeah thanks, Saber. I'm biding my time in containment purgatory until the powers that be think I'm old enough to play with the big kids.

I did get in on one entry towards the end of summer, we did a joint raid with the state's SORT team on a series of mobile homes with known drug activity. Four entry teams, simultaneous hit. My house was a dry hole, but the other three were crawling with fun stuff. But being in that briefing beforehand with forty other guys, everybody's kitted out, you can taste the adrenline, you know these guys would walk into hell with you and kick the devil in the balls just b/c it would be fun. I've never been so nervous, scared, and excited at the same time. Awesome feeling.

PM me w/ which PD you are with.

[Trigger]

How come you guys are all so cool? :D

Congrats JiJo woot

[JiJoMacLE45]

I was born this way. But if I got half the ass that you graphic artists get . . .

[Trigger]

I was born this way. But if I got half the ass that you graphic artists get . . .

...You'd be spending a lot more 'quality time' with Ron Jeremy and his friends.

[California Joe]

I was a cop AND a graphic artist. Chicks dig me. Course there was the time I nearly shot a mirror while investigating a B&E. ;)

Back in the academy we were doing practice traffic stops with the detectives playing the bad guys. Me and this not so bright recruit walk up to the vehicle and they're hurriedly stuffing a little bag of powder under the seat. So we yank them out of the car and put them on theire knees and I tell him to watch them while I look in the vehicle. He decides to "question them, they respond "fock you n*gger* He in turn places his pistol against the head of one of the detectives and says "You want to die MOTHERF*CKER" The instructors didn't care for that approach much. ;)

[ibstolidude]

Now I just have to put in enough time to get off the damn perimeter team.

I feel for you brother!!! You will be stoked out of your head when you get assigned to a Assault Element (on our team you move up to Breacher on the secondary assault element, usually doing Breach and Hold/ Break and Rake and Emergency Assault Team). And don't feel bad about the chair (I hope you yelled COVER on the way to the ****e) I got one even better. Try being the F-up newbee breacher assigned to distraction device deployment, on his first real world operation, who after performing a text book device deployment; in a not so quite way announced "BOOM!" right before the device did. I'm sure you can figure out why I...ERR...he did that. Just remember, those perimeter/containment are people too....on second thought I take that back. 1*

yea, ever umm ahh seen someone else follow one into the room from being over zealous - toss, follow, BANG, oops.

[JiJoMacLE45]

At least you didn't toss the pin into the room and hold onto the bang Stoli.

Oh how I remember simulations & scenarios in the academy CA Joe.

Did you ever have to go toe to toe w/ the red man? We're doing baton training and our training sergeant decides he's gonna be 'red man'. He's only about 5'6 or 5'7 but a solid 220lbs, type of guy with no neck and has to turn his whole body like an owl to see. Nobody f*cked with this guy, just a hard dude. So he he jocks up the in the big padded suit and me being the youngest guy in the class I get thrown to the proverbial lion. So I've got a padded baton and I've got to last a minute with red man, using defensive strikes to keep him off me and then offensive strike to get him to submit to restraint striking only the green zones(upper arms, thighs) of the body. Stay away from the red(head, groin), they friggin drill this into our skulls while we're there. Stay away from the red. I've gotta yell "Stop resisting" the whole time and treat the situation just like I was on the street. So the clocks starts and he comes at me and I'm wailing on him and he just keeps coming, I go for a forehand chop, to hit his arm/shoulder, but I've got about 6 or 7 inches on this guy and I clock him right up side his head. It was like Mark McGwire crushing a baseball. I knock the red man helmet sideways on his face. I swear to God I could see his eyes cross. Holy sh*t I'm dead. He was only out of it for a second and before I had the chance to say something, he charges and knocks me backwards into a table where a bunch of other recruits were sitting, the table goes flying back pinning these guys to the wall. I'm throwing knees into his chest and elbowing him on the top of his head and it's hard for him to throw punches with all the padding but he keeps slamming me into the table and I can hear it cracking and the guys behind me are trying to unpry themselves from the wall and duck my flailing arms. I mean we went at it for about 40 seconds.

At 60 seconds, another instructor yells time, sarge stops, lets me go. Straightens his brain bucket, walks away, and says "next volunteer". Needless to say, someone had to be selected as opposed to volunteering to go against the sarge. After that day he kinda took a liking to me. I don't if it was b/c I never stopped fighting or b/c he was afraid I might clock him in the head again.

[MVSpartan117]

http://www.unconventional-airsoft.com/information/handSignals.php

[ibstolidude]

http://www.unconventional-airsoft.com/information/handSignals.php
already posted in this thread.

but funny none the less

[SABER 2-3]

Now I just have to put in enough time to get off the damn perimeter team.

I feel for you brother!!! You will be stoked out of your head when you get assigned to a Assault Element (on our team you move up to Breacher on the secondary assault element, usually doing Breach and Hold/ Break and Rake and Emergency Assault Team). And don't feel bad about the chair (I hope you yelled COVER on the way to the ****e) I got one even better. Try being the F-up newbee breacher assigned to distraction device deployment, on his first real world operation, who after performing a text book device deployment; in a not so quite way announced "BOOM!" right before the device did. I'm sure you can figure out why I...ERR...he did that. Just remember, those perimeter/containment are people too....on second thought I take that back. 1*

yea, ever umm ahh seen someone else follow one into the room from being over zealous - toss, follow, BANG, oops.

Oh...you mean were not doing that!?! Well that explains why I got all those spots in my eyes. I've seen that one alot, gotta be for the same reason I yelled "BOOM". Because, as we do in training.....

[Dominique]

I am lookign for any websites or pictures that have diagrams of correct CQB tactics for stack teams, fir squads, single men, etc.. Anything in picture form or simple text that gives the correct tactics for ffective CQB. thanks

I'll do you one better. I can put on a live demo for you, but there are a few requirements.

1) Get arrested
2) Don't make bond.
3) Be placed in one of our local lock-ups.
4) Perform any of the following actions:
a) Take a staff member or fellow inmate hostage in the jail, van, or car.
b) Baricade yourself in a cellblock, room, or area of the jail, court house, or magistates office.
c) Escape
d) Anything else you can think of that may require a tactical reslolution.

At this time you get to see most of the tactics you requested up close and personal.

If you miss any of them, you can rewatch the tape of the incident at your trial. I'm the second guy in the stack holding a Remington 870 with a Surefire lightmount, and a whole lot of less lethal shot gun shells.

:bash: Come on. lets get real here. No one, and I mean NO ONE with any brain cells left alive (that actually knows what they are talking about) is going to post that type of information on the net. :roll:

[JiJoMacLE45]

Good post Dominique.

[Beowulf]

That reminds me, in the stan we had a stack of LBG's (little brown guys), and the number two or three guy had an RPG..... :cantbeli:

Also, whenever we had new muj working for us, we had to make sure they wouldn't run the other way when the 18C blew the door. That was always kinda funny....

[SABER 2-3]

Now thats what I call a distraction device! RPG's may not be as effective as a H-tool and a Ram but I'm sure they would be more fun...once.

[Apogee]

That reminds me, in the stan we had a stack of LBG's (little brown guys), and the number two or three guy had an RPG..... :cantbeli:



And when do we recieve the room clearing w/ RPG training? I knew there was a reason I joined the Army.

[ibstolidude]

That reminds me, in the stan we had a stack of LBG's (little brown guys), and the number two or three guy had an RPG..... :cantbeli:

Also, whenever we had new muj working for us, we had to make sure they wouldn't run the other way when the 18C blew the door. That was always kinda funny....
Hey atleast one of those guys didn't blow his leg to **** an bakc by loading it with the back sitting on his knee...or laying down and leaving his legs in the backblast...

oh yeah never mind.

some of those dudes were frightening with RPG...I always liked the RPG's rounds stuffed into the tubes on the back of the Hilux - like a bouquet of grenades.

[Iceman]

:lol: Don´t mess with the SF Lego. Funny...

[NcDeuce]

That reminds me, in the stan we had a stack of LBG's (little brown guys), and the number two or three guy had an RPG..... :cantbeli:

Also, whenever we had new muj working for us, we had to make sure they wouldn't run the other way when the 18C blew the door. That was always kinda funny....

rofl

[FDF_Hemppis]

I am lookign for any websites or pictures that have diagrams of correct CQB tactics for stack teams, fir squads, single men, etc.. Anything in picture form or simple text that gives the correct tactics for ffective CQB. thanks

Well, look for "small unit leaders guide to urban combat", I think it was called something like that. It was published by The Center for Army Lessons Learned (CALL), and among other things, it contained room clearing techniques for 2,3,4 man groups. Those are almost 1:1 with the one's they teached us in the FDF, so I guess they didn't just make them up?

It makes me mad that I don't have it anymore, and now I can't find it anywhere!

My #1 post, btw :D