Russian Weapons (lots of them)

[RomanS]

One thing I would like to ask you all is to respect our copyrights.

The following photos were taken by me, and my friends (V.Makarov, B.Doan, J.Ancona E.Clark J.Jeffers)

I am always positive about mods for games, and finding my photos on other websites. Please ask me before puting those to use. I apreciate it a lot guys.

Another thing, some of the weapons are still in the prototype stage. I'm sure you all will have tons of questions, but I seriously don't have the time to explain all the features, details about those weapons. I know majority of this weapons inside out, only if i had the time to explain. Well I would have to write a book, and I have a full time job I have to take care besides this. I hope some friends here with knowledge can help me do the explanation job.

But on the other hand, if you all knew everything about this toys, than what is the point of MYSTIQUE and RARITY....

THANK YOU, AND please ENJOY.

This is a small portion of photos we have and took.




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Mikhail Dragunov (son of SVD) designer of KEDR and KLIN, my good friend with his baby.
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Myself with ABAKAN
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Myself and Eugene Dragunov (grandson of SVD) with his creation SV-98
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Thank you all again for respecting our copyrights.

Roman Stepanov aka PermskiiOMON

nice

[George W. Bush]

http://simondog.com/FSB/IMG_3797.jpg

This auto shotgun looks very interesting. Do you have any info on it?

[RomanS]

The shotgun is a custom made out of 23mm Anti-Aircraft barrel for Spetsnaz team .

I fired it, and said Holly ****.

It was nice

[Jack Mehoff]

PermskiiOMON

You live in Arizona, don't you?

[RomanS]

that is correct Jackmehoff

[Seoulstriker]

anti-aircraft??


VERY nice photos! woot woot woot woot

[Jack Mehoff]

How do you get to play with all that cool prototype Ruskie weapon while are in the U.S.?

I'm assuming those pictures were in Russia

How do you get to play with all that cool prototype Ruskie weapon while are in the U.S.?

I'm assuming those pictures were in Russia

What are you talking about, he uses those weapons for home security

[anonymous individual]

Permskii, can I use your pics around the Internet as long as I put the GunNetwork copyright on or with the picture?

[HooyahCQB]

Vintorez? aren't some of these full auto?

http://simondog.com/FSB/IMG_1020.jpg

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

How do you get to play with all that cool prototype Ruskie weapon while are in the U.S.?

I'm assuming those pictures were in Russia

What are you talking about, he uses those weapons for home security

Thats putting a new twist on the word "Homeland Security" if so :lol:
Great pics as always, PermskiiOMON thanks for the eye candy. Very interesting.

P.s. 23mm Anti-Aircraft barrel on an auto shotgun...I like that type of thinking woot

[Undo]

Vintorez? aren't some of these full auto?

http://simondog.com/FSB/IMG_1020.jpg

All Vintorez are full auto. Selector switch inside the triggerguard, visible in this photo. Same weapon as VAL assault rifle, more or less. Cycle rate is crazy 800 rpm. You can dump a 10 round Vintorez mag in a hurry if you aren't careful.

23mm Shotgun kicks powerful hard. Shoots slugs, too.

[TOTEM]

GREAT PHOTOS!!!!!
Two questions...Is the AN-94 still a prototype or its a production model??
Any field tests in chechnya??

Keep them coming plz!!!!

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

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gotta love taking target practice around kids playgrounds woot

[Ratamacue]

gotta love taking target practice around kids playgrounds woot

What better way is there of getting rid of those pesky little rodents we call "children?" ;)

[Vance]

http://simondog.com/FSB/248.jpg

Something tells me this isn't your normal family outing... ;)

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...And holy ****! Look at that bullet to the far left...

[RomanS]

AN-94 is still being tested

I personally know a team that used them in Chechnya, or to say baptized them in Grozny, Gudermes....

Vintorez is a lot of fun though. It shoots a 9x39 caliber SP5 ammo. It looks like a fat 7,62x39, but has almost no kick.

I remember the look on Undo's face when he psssssted the whole mag in less then 1 second.

That was good.


Jackmehoff, I live in US but was born in Russia. I grew up with MVD and was attending the AMVD for 3 years. Chechens got lucky when the first war was over, I WAS PISSED that I didn't get some. One trip to the border, and a drive through Hankala doesnt count.

Believe me I wanted some really bad. I had a chance to go in the second campaign on a contract base. They even wanted to attach me to Perm OMON. But the US had more doors open.

But all my drill sgts, older operators who graduated before me, I keep a good contact with them.

ANONYMOUS INDIVIDUAL - what are you using them for? If you do use them, put the names mentioned above on the photos. Thanks man

The play ground in the back is for the SOBR team. They feel much better holding Vintorez, Bizon and a PKM while crawling around there.
But seriously its a rest area at their shooting range.

We had some KICK ASS Shashlik there with them, along with a case of vodka. After that the shooting began.
UNDO, what do you think, some videos next week lool?

[George W. Bush]

Drinking vodka and then shooting, that's real smart :roll:

[AFG]

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i think ya showed us this pic a while back in one of those AK vs M16 threads. its still pretty sweet nevertheless though :D

[RomanS]

well to you it might be stupid, but tradition in the world are different.

We Russians don't get drunk, we get buzzed and warm.

[16 OBr SpN]

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Permski, just looking at this beauty makes me want to remember the "good old" times. :)
My AK, my sweet NSPU-3, GP-25... and of course the RPO! ...And go bear hunting!! :lol:

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

[GazB]

...And holy ****! Look at that bullet to the far left...


Hehehe... that is the 14.5 x 114mm anti tank rifle round from WWII now used on HMGs and AMRs. The little round next to it is the Russian 50 cal... 12.7 x 107mm (The American 50 cal is 12.7 x 99mm).

The big round has more than twice the muzzle energy of a 50 cal round. For a long time it was considered the largest non cannon round in general service... and you could probably say it remains in that position today.

BTW I liked the pictures of the AKS-74U with the new fatter 60 round mags that are the same shape as the old 30 round mags. Quite a powerful little package for short range work.

...and also... 23mm for a shotgun!!! That is about an 8 gauge!!

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

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i think ya showed us this pic a while back in one of those AK vs M16 threads. its still pretty sweet nevertheless though :D

****...anything else you can possibly fit on there ( I know theres a can opener that the galil has...). :P

P.s. What type of scope is that it has to be some sorta night vision? Am I right?

p.p.s. Wouldnt the bayonet get in the way of firing the grenade from the grenade launcher? Please keep in mind I've never held a real Ak before never less seen one with a bayonet and grenade launcher ect ect.

[George W. Bush]

:lol: If someone tried to fire the GP25 with bayonet in place the results would be very messy!

[George W. Bush]

LOL How weird. The iron sights have been removed and the folding stock latch is missing.

/me is confused.

On another note, Russians build the sexiest guns ever made woot

[REMOV]

The shotgun is a custom made out of 23mm Anti-Aircraft barrel for Spetsnaz team .Very nice photos ;)

But I'm afraid you haven't right. It isn't custom made, but manufactured by TsNIITochmash (Central Scientific-Research Institute of Precision Machine Building or ЦНИИТОЧМАШ - ЦНИИ точного машиностроения) 23mm KS-23 Drozd (КС-23 Дрозд) shotgun, probably the most powerful shotgun in the world. It is fed by 23mm special shells (23mm x 75R) and accepted to the armament of the Russian Police and Ministry of the Internal Units (MVD) in 1985.

There are at least three versions I know - short barrel KS-23M, fixed stock and long barrel KS-23 and experimental bullpup design KS-23K.

http://www.gunsite.narod.ru/ks23.gif
23mm KS-23 Drozd
(Карабин Специальный 23мм Дрозд)

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23mm KS-23M Drozd
(Карабин Специальный 23мм Модернизированный Дрозд)

There is also another powerful shotgun based on KS-23, 4 ga called TOZ-123 Sieliezn (ТОЗ-123 Селезень)
http://faq.guns.ru/images/toz123.gif
TOZ-123

[16 OBr SpN]

P.s. What type of scope is that it has to be some sorta night vision? Am I right?



The scope is NSPU-3. It's a night vision scope.

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

[RomanS]

I use to own one here in USA.
My friend owns 2

[memphiz]

wow thank you very much PermskiiOMON, your pic's rule woot

[Dennis G]

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Tula arsenal right




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You should flip the flag around so it dont like your in retreat but advancing

[Dennis G]

BTW great photos

[RomanS]

Even civilians ?

[chamberlin]

PermskiiOMON, Mikhail Dragunov did not exactly design The KLIN and KEDER, he completed the work his late famous father started. Also, his son Eugene did not design the SV-98, but only did some testing on this rifle. Mr. Dragunov wanted me to make sure you knew this as so there wasn't false rumors floating around. Mikhail is a renowned designer, and I am sure Eugene will be as well... but just wanted to keep the facts straight. BTW, the 23mm TsNIITochmash KS-23 shotgun is about 6 gauge. It was fun to shoot....when it worked. That's a gun that having a drink to loosen up and be numb to was a good thing.

G.W.B., the AK-74M pictured had the rear site and latch missing because it just had a barrel change out and the parts had not been installed before the picture was taken.

-C

[Dennis G]

Even civilians ?

I don’t know I guess it’s up to you. Any of my jackets that have the flag on it are like yours. It might just be a military thing.

[George W. Bush]

So I gather the Russian armorer types use a hydraulic press with a jig that press out barrel and pins just like us Americans or they have a special custom machine made for them.

[el_kab0ng]

http://simondog.com/FSB/IMG_0992.jpg

Are my eyes deceiving me? Is that a double stack 545 mag? When can we expect those to make it to the US? ;)

[George W. Bush]

Those can come to the U.S. when George H. Bush's 1989 gun control law is somehow rescinded.

[He219]

Great post, PermskiiOMON

Very Nice indeed!

:D

[chamberlin]

So I gather the Russian armorer types use a hydraulic press with a jig that press out barrel and pins just like us Americans or they have a special custom machine made for them.

The Russians have this truck called Zil 130, or a Ural 4320 mobile work shop truck that they can do any on the spot armorer work. Yes it is all jigged and hydraulic of course.

Oh and yes, it is very bad to shoot VOG grenade with bayonet in place.
Bayonet is on for display only. Sight is 1PN51 night optic.

[Rtq]

Russians are crazy bastards when it comes to inventing weapons rofl
That is good thing.

[perdurabo]

Russians are crazy bastards when it comes to inventing weapons rofl
That is good thing.
tell that hteir enemies :)

[REMOV]

Russians are crazy bastards when it comes to inventing weaponsYou know Russians are only nation of the Earth that invented and build... circular warships. Only two were build Novgorod (1873) and Vice Admiral Popov (1875) and sometimes were called a Coast Defense Ships or a Floating Batteries, naturally it was a complety mistake - these circular monitors were impossible to control and just drifted around, so were used as floating batteries ;)

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Rear-Admiral Popov
Circular battleship (2f) L/D: 120.0 × 14.8 (36.6m dia. × 4.5m) Tons: 3,550 disp Hull: steel Comp: 206 Arm: 2 × 12.2 Armor: 1.8 belt Mach: compound engines, 4,500 ihp, 6 screws; 8 kts Des: Andrei Aleksandrovich Popov Built: New Admiralty Yard, St. Petersburg, Russia; 1874.

The larger and better known of two circular battleships built by the Russian Imperial Navy in the 1870s, Rear-Admiral Popov was laid down as Kiev but later renamed in honor of her designer, Rear Admiral Andrei Aleksandrovich Popov. Popov's idea was to create a stable platform for large-caliber guns to guard the shallow coastal waters around the Black Sea ports of Odessa, Nikolayev, and Ochakov. The ships mounted two 11-inch guns (they may have been fitted ultimately with 12-inch guns) mounted on a revolving turntable that could turn in an arc of thirty-five degrees on either side of the centerline. Novgorod, the first of the two ships, was constructed at St. Petersburg in 1872 and then taken apart and put on trains for reassembly at Nikolayev, where she was completed in 1874. Kiev was built from the keel up at Nikolayev. After reviewing the results of Novgorod's trials, Popov recommended that the second ship's diameter be enlarged by almost six meters. Kiev was renamed in honor of Popov before her launch, and by imperial decree both ships were designated as Popovkas, as was Livadia, a yacht of similar design. Both Rear-Admiral Popov and Novgorod performed well in their assigned roles, and during the Russo-Turkish War, the two ships served with the Danube Flotilla. Designated Coastal Defense Armor-Clad Ships in 1892, they later served as storeships until stricken from the naval lists in 1903. They were not scrapped until 1912.



See below - the orginal article is from 1874 ;)

Source: Naval Science Vol. III (1874), pp 1-4, 2 plates (http://www.bruzelius.info/Nautica/Ships/Naval_Science(1874)_p1.html)

Circular Iron-Clads in the Imperial Russian Navy.

We have been favoured with the following description of the Popoffka Novgorod, on of the new class of circular iron-clads designed by Admiral Popoff for the Russian Imperial Navy. This description faithfully represents both the ideas on which this class of vessel has been designed, and the manner in which the designer has embodied those ideas in the first circular iron-clad. The accompanying engravings exhibit bow and stern views of the ship, copied from photographs taken recently at Nicholaev.

Three years ago the first design for a circular iron-clad was submitted by Admiral Popoff to the Imperial Russian Admiralty with the object of obtaining a ship of small dimensions which should carry an armament of a few guns of the heaviest class, be capable of steaming at a speed sufficient for all purpose of coast defence, and at the same time be well protected by armour-plating. The principle on which the design was made is -- that, in comparison with ships of ordinary form, circular vessels have greater displacement with the same weight of hull, and therefore increased means for protecting the water line with a strong belt of armour, the decks with thick plating, and the guns with a strong armoured breastwork, thus insuring, in accordance with modern principles of design, the highest attainable amount of safety for ship and crew. The great advantage of the circular form is that it enables a vessel to be built of small draught of water, with the greatest displacement as compared with weight it is possible to give her. From this account it is evident that the present idea of a circular vessel has nothing in common with any project of the kind which has hitherto appeared, but is in fact an extraordinary development of the principle, carried out by Mr. Reed in the British Navy, of shortening ships for the purpose of obtaining handiness and reduction of weight, and broadening them to increase the displacement.

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Having thus shortly stated the broad principle of circular ship design, we pass on to a description of the first Popoffka -- that being the name given to this type of vessel by the Emperor of Russia to perpetuate the name of the inventor. Popoffka Novgorod was launched in May last, in the presence of the Grand Duke Constantine, to whom, as High Admiral of the Fleet, and to Admiral Krabbe, Minister of Marine, belongs the credit of accepting the design, and ordering the construction of this vessel in accordance with it.

The extreme diameter of the hull of the Novgorod is 101 feet, her draught of water with all weights on board 12 feet 6 inches; to which draught must, however, be added the depth of the longitudinal false keels. Her displacement is 2,491 tons. The form of the midship (and of any radial) section may be best understood from the following description: -- The bottom is circular and flat, and parallel to the load water line, with a diameter of 76 feet; and from the turn of the bilge round the bottom the sections are curved, ascending in the form of quadrants of circles whose semi-diameters are equal to the depth of the vessel. The framing of the hull is composed of a network made of radial frames and circular stringers, plated both outside and inside. The armour extends 1 foot 6 inches above, and 4 feet 9 inches below, the load water line; the plates being placed upon a compound backing formed of T. Hughes' patent hollow girders, 7 inches deep, with the spaces between and within them filled in with teak. The plates of the upper strake are 9 inches, and of the lower 7 inches thick. Hollow girders are riveted to the plates behind armour, which are worked in two thickness each of 3/4 inch, and are supported from behind by strong frames, forming continuations of the deep beams of the upper deck: 7 hollow girders are equivalent in resisting power to two additional inches of armour; thus the thickness of solid armour plates is reduced to 9 inches instead of 11 inches, so that superiority in the material of which the solid armour-plates are made is secured, and at the same time good support is afforded to the armour from behind, and the general strength of the ship increased.

The upper deck beams run radially, and are connected with circular carlings. The protective deck plating is 2" 3/4 thick, and is worked in three thickness. In the centre of the ship stands the breastwork, 30 ft. 9 in. in diameter, and 7 ft. high. The sides of the breastwork are composed of the same skin and hollow girders as the belt along the load water line and the armour plates are 9 in. thick. The breastwork is open at the top to allow the guns to be fired over it en barbette, thus facilitating accuracy of training and giving an all-round fire. Two 11-in. 26-ton guns, firing projectiles 550 lbs. (Russian weight), with a charge of 91 lbs. (Russian weight), are mounted on separate platforms which can be moved independently or together when it is required to point both guns at the same time on one object. For that purpose there is a hollow cylinder in the centre, which serves as a scuttle through which powder, shot, and shell may be taken within the breastwork, and forms the axis round which each of the platforms with its carriage and guns rotates. The rollers on which the platforms rest move in two concentric circular paths., the motion being regulated by a special circular brake, which will stop the gun at any moment. The recoil of the guns is governed by a frictional compressor, worked by hydraulic power, and partly by wedges placed in the after part of the platform on which the carriage slides. The men who work the guns are completely under the protection of the breastwork.

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The engines for propelling the ship, 6 in number, each of 80 nominal horse-power, working in the aggregate up to 3,000 indicated horse-power, give motion to 6 independent screws, having parallel shafts placed in a longitudinal directions. There are two principal reasons for this arrangement: -- First, the draught of the ship is so small that with fewer screws the large engine power required could not be developed; and, secondly, ships which are made to depend solely on steam as the motive power should be provided with as many independent engines as possible in order to reduce to a minimum the chances of breaking down by any cause which might stop their action. The engine and boiler-rooms in the Novgorod occupy the after half of the ship. In the middle are the powder-magazines and the shot and shell rooms. In the forepart, below the lower deck, are chain lockers and holds for provisions, water, and warrant-officers' stores. Two separate boiler-rooms, with four boilers in each, are placed symmetrically on each side of the diameter. Coal-bunkers are fitted alongside the boiler-rooms close to the wing-passage, which runs round the side of the ship. Under the breastwork on the lower deck are two parallel rows of officers' cabins, with a middle passage between them, running longitudinally, uniting the men's quarters in the forepart of the lower deck with the engine-room in the aft-part. The ward-room and captain's cabins are placed inside of the light superstructure built over the armoured deck at the forepart adjoining the breastwork. In this superstructure most of the space is allotted to the crew. In front of the superstructure, under the jack-staff, are placed the arms of the old Russian town Novgorod, and on each side of it Martin's anchors are stowed. The cables are carried through the side of the superstructure at its lower part and thence to the lower deck, where they are worked by steam windlasses. In the after part of the ship is a hurricane-bridge on a level with the deck of the superstructure and the top of the breastwork. The engine-hatch is fitted with high coamings which reach up to the hurricane-bridge. All openings in the deck are provided with armoured covers of the same thickness as the deck, and when these are closed the ventilation is maintained in an efficient state by forcing large volumes of air through the bottom of the breastwork and distributing it in all directions inside. Steam-fans are employed for this purpose. Two steam-launches and two other boats are usually carried on the deck, but are stowed on elevated supports whenever the ship goes to sea. The bottom of the ship is sheathed with wood and copper similarly to the Inconstant. The materials were all prepared at St. Petersburg, and were sent by rail to Nicholaev and there put together. It may interest our readers to know that a second ship of the Popoffka class, named the Kiev, has been recently built at Nicholaev, and will soon be ready to join her sister ship in the Black Sea.

When the Novgorod was lying at Sevastopol the Emperor honoured her with a visit, and examined all the details of her construction and her qualities during a cruise round the bay which he took in her. Last August she made a successful passage from Nicholaev to Sevastopol, and several times since Admiral Popoff has taken her out to sea to test her behaviour, taking advantage of high winds and heavy seas. The results of the trials, both as regard speed and other performance, have in all cases given great satisfaction to the Russian authorities.

[mack pl]

:cantbeli:

[mack pl]

:cantbeli: They cannot be so smart ;)

[NOKIA--G21]

woot woot nice pics

[andreuha]

Nice pics.
BTW, just a coincidence (I got hotlinked here from AR15.com), but I belive I know you as Kaiber from WHIMIT.com :D

[BlackRain]

PermskiiOMON - Excellent photos. I guess the obsession with firearms is not an unique American disease.

Is that a AK47SU in some of the photos with the double stack mag?

[anonymous individual]

PermskiiOMON - Excellent photos. I guess the obsession with firearms is not an unique American disease.

Is that a AK47SU in some of the photos with the double stack mag?

60 mag

technically permskii is an american...

[RomanS]

didnt i promice to post something tonight ?????

[RomanS]

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[chamberlin]

Yea, I thought it was kinda wierd too.... definately interesting....but probably deserves it's own thread....no?
-C

[RomanS]

Who is this chamberlin guy lool

[Chris196]

http://simondog.com/FSB/IMG_0992.jpg

How many rounds does that hold??

[GazB]

Chris196

As mentioned a few times... it holds 60 rounds.

The same place I saw it first they also had a flat horizontal 90 round drum for an RPK-74... have you played with one of those permskiiomon?

(I guess it was flat to make it easier to use in the ****e position... a problem with the old 45 round RPK-74 mags)

[HELEX]

Firing the grenade launcher with bayonet attached ist probably a very bad Idea...

[catchv22]

http://simondog.com/FSB/P7310542.jpg

What is this?

[thatguy96]

Appears to be one of the new modernized Saiga 12Ks...

[Undo]

http://simondog.com/FSB/P7310542.jpg

What is this?

Saiga 12guage shotgun. Big fun. Especially with the stock folded.