Moscow defense picture 1941

[nick_ua]

This is the scan from the book "Moscow November 1941" made on 1942 and immediately after release (3000 copies has been made) ban by the government due to the one of the pictures has General Vlasov on it.

http://www.ljplus.ru/img2/s/u/subayev/cover.jpg
http://www.ljplus.ru/img2/s/u/subayev/page1.jpg
I. Stalin Nov 7 1941
http://www.ljplus.ru/img2/s/u/subayev/page2.jpg
Moscow october 20 1941
http://subaev.com/m1941/15.jpg
http://subaev.com/m1941/16.jpg
http://subaev.com/m1941/17.jpg
http://subaev.com/m1941/18.jpg
http://subaev.com/m1941/19.jpg
http://subaev.com/m1941/20.jpg
http://subaev.com/m1941/21.jpg
http://subaev.com/m1941/23.jpg
http://subaev.com/m1941/22.jpg
http://subaev.com/m1941/24.jpg
http://subaev.com/m1941/25.jpg

[StukaJr]

Great Pics!

My grandmother was part of Civilian Volunteer Firefighting Brigade in Moscow - given the task to put out any firebombs on the rooftops.

Reconnaissance units came as close as 15 minutes by bus from where I was born.

[ReggayMC]

Nice pics! I can I'd everything but those AA machine guns. Can anyone tell what they are called?

[unit299_09]

Nice pics! I can I'd everything but those AA machine guns. Can anyone tell what they are called?
http://subaev.com/m1941/17.jpg

this ones??
...are a bunch of watercooled maxim-08 cal. 7.62mm



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Maschinengewehr_08_1.jpg
(i think this is the german version but i'm not sure)

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNRussian_7.62mm_Maxim_MG_Quad_pic.jpg

http://www.thetankmaster.com/images/AFV/MAXIM/PM1910_01.jpg

[StukaJr]

Nice pics! I can I'd everything but those AA machine guns. Can anyone tell what they are called?

Maxim

Edit: PwNeD!

[nick_ua]

http://subaev.com/m1941/33.jpg
http://subaev.com/m1941/34.jpg
http://subaev.com/m1941/35.jpg
http://subaev.com/m1941/36.jpg
http://subaev.com/m1941/37.jpg
http://subaev.com/m1941/38.jpg
http://subaev.com/m1941/39.jpg
http://subaev.com/m1941/40.jpg
http://subaev.com/m1941/41.jpg

[nick_ua]

There will some more soon

[SR15]

wow, somethng i dont see every day.
Thanks great pics.

[nick_ua]

http://subaev.com/m1941/17.jpg


are a bunch of watercooled maxim-08 cal. 7.62mm
yehp actually four of them

[AmericanImperialist]

What is this?

http://subaev.com/m1941/19.jpg

[StukaJr]

What is this?

http://subaev.com/m1941/19.jpg

It's an aerial baloon - to prevent low altitude bombing. Same were used by other nations, just looked a little different

[goldman]

Very Very Niice!!!woot

[Jenius]

http://subaev.com/m1941/22.jpg

http://subaev.com/m1941/24.jpg
http://subaev.com/m1941/38.jpg
Are these real pictures or drawings? Probably drawings, right? But you can't be too sure with those old cameras...

[GazB]

What is this?


Called barrage balloons, they were basically just hydrogen balloons that you left floating above expected flight paths of low flying bombers. The Balloons were tethered by steel cables, which the bombers flew into and hopefully crashed. A bit like very low flying bombers like the Mosquito had to be aware of power lines and a lot of aircraft were lost, the barrage balloon was an attempt to extend power lines up to make higher flying planes crash. Sometimes an observer went up in the balloons which were winched up and down for observation purposes.

Nice pics by the way...

[nick_ua]

Glad you like it.
According to the book, this is a real photos, not drawings.
GazB, great explanation I was straggling a bit with the right words to describe it.
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Here is a bit history about these book. One young journalist find it on antic book store in Moscow for the price ~450$. He liked it but barely can afford it.So several guys chip in and bought it.
Here they are
http://ljplus.ru/img2/balzam/PICT0117.JPG

[HUAH]

Most excellent! Thank You!

[Snoshi]

Nice pics !!!

[Marmot1]

so where is Vlasow pic?

[Uninen]

So close yet so far. :(

[Schizo]

So close yet so far. :(

???.........

[nick_ua]

so where is Vlasow pic?
do you know ho Vlasov was?

[GazB]

According to the book, this is a real photos, not drawings.


You have to keep in mind this was the great patriotic war, and then the cold war. They almost certainly all started out as real photos but certain aspects or parts of photos were often removed or changed for political reasons. They might have had bits added, bits erased, or been changed in some way or another. Many of these changes make the picture look like a drawing because in many cases a lot of what is in the picture is drawn to cover the edit or change.

[Uninen]

???.........
Was the salvation of mankind, the towers of Kreml could already be seen, but it would be for another 50 years till the world would rid itself of curse of the USSR.

[Snoshi]

Was the salvation of mankind, the towers of Kreml could already be seen, but it would be for another 50 years till the world would rid itself of curse of the USSR.

Are u Ok, you nazi supporter...

[Brute]

So close yet so far. :-(



???.........



Was the salvation of mankind, the towers of Kreml could already be seen, but it would be for another 50 years till the world would rid itself of curse of the USSR.

Ahh, the f*cking Nazi scum confirms his true nature for everyone. Well done, b*tch! :cantbeli:

[Snoshi]

That means that he support the extermenation of civilians in SU as well as exermenation of Jews. In partisan thread he whined that 147 finns died while he support this ****

[Schizo]

Uninen, you've just showed your true nazi-finnish colors.
I hope you'll get banned, ****er.

[Uninen]

Oh wow, so saying id would have rather seen world without Stalin the murderer and without the communist oppression of the free peoples of the world make me a nazi? Think again.

[Snoshi]

No, u said that u wanted nazi Germany to win...

[Scrat335]

This pic has been modified somehow.

http://subaev.com/m1941/15.jpg

The Kremlin clocktower is in the wrong place. It looks to me that the soldiers are standing in front of Lenins tomb and the camera is in the area of the State History Museum close to where the clocktower is in real life.

St Basils in in the right place.

Am I right?

[Uninen]

No, u said that u wanted nazi Germany to win...
Dont read between lines, really you have no skills, nor i did say nothing of the kind nor mean it. Get a grip.

[Schizo]

Dont read between lines, really you have no skills, nor i did say nothing of the kind nor mean it. Get a grip.

So please, Mr "Einstein", tell us what you really meant.

[Brute]

Dont read between lines, really you have no skills, nor i did say nothing of the kind nor mean it. Get a grip.


Go ahead and dig a deeper grave, you Nazi prick.



Originally Posted by Uninen
Was the salvation of mankind, the towers of Kreml could already be seen, but it would be for another 50 years till the world would rid itself of curse of the USSR.

You wanted "salvation of mankind" through Nazi victory? Just be glad you are not standing in front of me right now! :fork:

[Brute]

Oh wow, so saying id would have rather seen world without Stalin the murderer and without the communist oppression of the free peoples of the world make me a nazi? Think again.

No, you're saying you would've rather seen Nazi win... :cantbeli:

[RomanS]

Dont reply to Uninen (he was banned before undername Unien)
just report his flame bates and trolling to mods ;)

Great photos nick

thank you !

[Argyll]

I think you're all getting too carried away,Uninen did not say he wanted Nazi's to win......what you all seem to forget here that Communism was the enemy right up until the collapse of the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact.....much the same way people believe that Islam is now the enemy.
The Nazi's and the Russians under Stalin were butchers,they killed Millions alike........so get of some moral crusade about who was worse.....both the Nazi's and the Russians were brutal Regimes,and just as bad as each other.

You've all been warned

[Uninen]

So please, Mr "Einstein", tell us what you really meant.

STALIN: Since "the margin of error" with regard to the number of Stalin's victims is virtually impossible to narrow down to a universally accepted figure, various historians have come up with extremely varying estimates of the number of victims, from under 10 to over 50 million deaths.
From 10 to 50 million.

COMMUNISM: Many historians have attempted to give estimates of the total number of people killed by a certain Communist state, or by all Communist states put together.

The number of people killed under Joseph Stalin's regime in the Soviet Union has been estimated as between 3.5 and 8 million by G. Ponton[18], 6.6 million by V.V. Tsaplin[19], 9.5 million by Alec Nove[20], 20 million by The Black Book of Communism[21], 50 million by Norman Davies[22], and 61 million by R.J. Rummel[23].

The number of people killed under Mao Zedong's regime in the People's Republic of China has been estimated at 19.5 million by Wang Weizhi[24], 27 million by John Heidenrich[25], between 38 and 67 million by Kurt Glaser and Stephan Possony[26], between 32 and 59 million by Robert L. Walker[27], 65 million by The Black Book of Communism[28], and 72 million by R.J. Rummel[29].

The authors of The Black Book of Communism have also estimated that 9.3 million people have died as a result of the actions of other Communist states and leaders, distributed as follows: 2 million in North Korea, 2 million in Cambodia, 1.7 million in Africa, 1.5 million in Afghanistan, 1 million in Vietnam, 1 million in Eastern Europe, and 150,000 in Latin America.[30] R.J. Rummel has estimated that 1.6 million died in North Korea, 2 million in Cambodia, and 2.5 million in Poland and Yugoslavia.[31] The Black Book of Communism finds that roughly 94 million died under all Communist states while Rummel believes at least 144.7 million died under six Communist states. From a collection of the sources listed above, Matthew White also attempts to compose a total figure in his Historical Atlas of the 20th century[32], and arrives at the figure of 92 million.
From 92 to 144.7 million victims.

Also even if the Germans would have won in the east they still would have eventually lost the war. You must remember, millions of "Soviet citizens" not just from the newly liberated Baltic countries fought in German uniform against the communists. Partly because of this Stalin send in the end even legit Soviet POW to Siberia where many died even after all they had gone trough in hands of Germans.

I have no respect to somebody who glorifies system like that. Nor will i understand or tolarate it.

Just so that you folks understand and now i shall leave you to think about, dont want to piss of Argyll... ;)

[unit299_09]

So please, Mr "Einstein", tell us what you really meant.

dont call him Einstein..
Einstein was a Jew..
it is not necessary to offend the inheritance of Einstein...

[unit299_09]

I think you're all getting too carried away,Uninen did not say he wanted Nazi's to win......what you all seem to forget here that Communism was the enemy right up until the collapse of the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact.....much the same way people believe that Islam is now the enemy.
The Nazi's and the Russians under Stalin were butchers,they killed Millions alike........so get of some moral crusade about who was worse.....both the Nazi's and the Russians were brutal Regimes,and just as bad as each other.

You've all been warned

what is with capitalism??

what is with the billions of poor people, homeless, chanceless people who hungred to dead, died by cold in winter or sufferd to death because they had no money for medications all over the world since the 19th century??..?

oh by the way.. in russia, china or the warshaw-pakt states communism has never existed!!!

[L()Csta]

This pic has been modified somehow.

http://subaev.com/m1941/15.jpg

The Kremlin clocktower is in the wrong place. It looks to me that the soldiers are standing in front of Lenins tomb and the camera is in the area of the State History Museum close to where the clocktower is in real life.

St Basils in in the right place.

Am I right?
Strange......I think you are right, if I remember correctly there is more than one watch tower that looks like that one, but in this more recent pic from the same angle you can't see one there.
http://lamar.colostate.edu/~pwryan/rus-redsquare.jpg
This pic is taken from close to the same position on the opposite side of the square. I was facing SE and would have the soldiers on the right, facing the camera. This shows the tower on the opposite side of the square.
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/739/kremlinredsquare11ag.th.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kremlinredsquare11ag.jpg)

Interesting observation.

[nick_ua]

You have to keep in mind this was the great patriotic war, and then the cold war. They almost certainly all started out as real photos but certain aspects or parts of photos were often removed or changed for political reasons. They might have had bits added, bits erased, or been changed in some way or another. Many of these changes make the picture look like a drawing because in many cases a lot of what is in the picture is drawn to cover the edit or change.

You may have a point here, but the photos could be edited only in 1942. As I said about the book early before, it has been released on 1942 and baned at the same time. So there were no other additional prints had been mada after all.
the year on a second page is 1942
http://www.ljplus.ru/img2/s/u/subayev/page1.jpg

[nick_ua]

http://subaev.com/m1941/15.jpg

The Kremlin clocktower is in the wrong place. It looks to me that the soldiers are standing in front of Lenins tomb and the camera is in the area of the State History Museum close to where the clocktower is in real life.

St Basils in in the right place.

Am I right?

Nice catch. But i think you get it wrong here.
I don't think the soldiers lined up on Lenin Mavsoleium, and camera was nearby the Historical Museum (but at first I actually though about it too).
The only thing what got me confused is the buildings between Sobor Vasiliya Blagennogo and Kremlin. You can't see these building from this angel if the camera lined up from Historical Museum, to Sobor. And the building on othere side of the Moscow River (you might potentialy see) has differrent shape and far a way.
I think they made this shot from the river side, the place where the tourist buses parked today.
Take a look on this one
http://www.moskvarch.ru/show/images/09big.jpg

regards

[L()Csta]

http://subaev.com/m1941/15.jpg


Nice catch. But i think you get it wrong here.
I don't think the soldiers lined up on Lenin Mavsoleium, and camera was nearby the Historical Museum (but at first I actually though about it too).
The only thing what got me confused is the buildings between Sobor Vasiliya Blagennogo and Kremlin. You can't see these building from this angel if the camera lined up from Historical Museum, to Sobor. And the building on othere side of the Moscow River (you might potentialy see) has differrent shape and far a way.
I think they made this shot from the river side, the place where the tourist buses parked today.
Take a look on this one
http://www.moskvarch.ru/show/images/09big.jpg

regards
ahhh, that makes sense. Thanks

[Scrat335]

Okay, I see it now. This photo was taken more towards the river looking TOWARDS the Museum of Natural history PAST St Basils the Kremlin gate and Lenins tomb.

I was exploring that area last year but I was on my return trip from across the river and was more interested in the first warm place that was open than making note of landmarks. It was freaking cold that day!!!!:cantbeli:

[Scrat335]

You've all been warned

So Argyle has spoken on the subject. How nice.

So has Uinen apparently. :roll:

Do we have a pair of intellectual cowards amongst us?

Do these two refuse to look at the millions killed by Europeans and other westerners as a result of the wars of expansion these last few hundred years?

How many Iraqi children have died since 1990? 500,000? more? How many people died in Vietnam because of American agression?

Western capitalism is responsible for many millions of people dying horrible deaths, usually slow deaths simply because capitalism takes from a country and gives nothing back.

Capitalism is why 2/3rds of the worlds population lives on less than a dollar a day and have little to look forward to in life.

Capitalism, like Communism has its faults.

[unit299_09]

Capitalism, like Communism has its faults.

thanx for these words....

[Drako]

So Argyle has spoken on the subject. How nice.

So has Uinen apparently. :roll:

Do we have a pair of intellectual cowards amongst us?

Do these two refuse to look at the millions killed by Europeans and other westerners as a result of the wars of expansion these last few hundred years?

How many Iraqi children have died since 1990? 500,000? more? How many people died in Vietnam because of American agression?

Western capitalism is responsible for many millions of people dying horrible deaths, usually slow deaths simply because capitalism takes from a country and gives nothing back.

Capitalism is why 2/3rds of the worlds population lives on less than a dollar a day and have little to look forward to in life.

Capitalism, like Communism has its faults.


You don't like capitalism? So move to china where you have communism, maybe you'll feel better there. You're a free man and noone will stop you from doing it. Neither will anyone come to your house at night and take you away for brutal interrogations for couple of months, noone will arrest you and shoot you in the forest or drown in the river. I've known a guy who was in the UB (Security Bureau, polish arm of NKVD/KGB). After 2 years that guy acted like he's mentally ill and became alcoholic, just to make himself removed from active duty. He was like 25 back then. He's sacrificed his next 40 years of life to live in poverty and alcoholism just to stop killing and torturing. What can you know about communism? Some fairy tales from soviet era books? Try to actually talk to people who have suffered from it.

Anyway back on topic. Good pics. Thx for sharing.

[GazB]

Capitalism, like Communism has its faults.

First of all was it communism that actually killed all those people?

Communism has Stalin and Democracy has Hitler... the Russian people had the choice of the two and seem to have overwhelmingly voted for one... neither being Russian... Hitler was Austrian and Stalin from Georgia.
Considering the people that suffered the longest and the most under Stalin were the Russians I would rate their opinion more highly than anyone elses on the subject.

[GazB]

You don't like capitalism?

Do you have children? Do they have any faults at all?

If you do have children and they do actually have faults (like everyone does) does that mean you don't like your children? Are you going to give them up?

"If you don't love it then leave" is right up there with "If you're not with use then you are against us". Book burners around the world like Stalin and Hitler and the KKK loved such thinking. Black and White, Good and Evil. Nice clear lines for hate merchants.

[unit299_09]

So move to china where you have communism,

you should read some books about communism...

[Scrat335]

I'll live where I damn well please. It seems to me that China is doing very well right now. A very small group of the extremely wealthy and vast hordes of impoverished people, the result of their move towards capitalism. The situation is no different now than it was 30 years ago.

I do not care for either form of government because they are only 2 sides of a 3 edged sword.

Did you ever hear this saying?

''Discussion in conflict is a 3 edged sword. Their side, your side, and the truth"

I know what the truth is. Whatever system of government is in power is run and controled by people, GREEDY, CALLOUS, NARCISSISTIC people.

All that matters to them is having power, the welfare of the people that support them is secondary so long as they have just enough to survive and keep them from rebeling.

I assume you are Polish, I was recently in Warsaw. I spent 2 days there and the footprint of capitalism is very evident there. Huge new buildings built by corporations, banks whatever. I have a picture of the new building behind the trainstation down town across the street from the Palace Of Culture. Really nice building.

HOW ABOUT HEATING THE F*****G TRAINSTATION!!!! And the underground. A perfect example of the callousness of capitalism. If some corp can spend millions to build that then they can spend a million more out of goodwill to contribute to the community.

It seems that the Polish people I saw were struggling to get by, barely making it. A few (very few) are well off. The waitresses of the coffee house in the Arcadia mall working for long hours for vitually nothing. I paid a very high price for my Latte. And I tipped the beautiful Polish lass very well. She deserved it.

I also saw numerous homeless people there, dozens. A sharp contrast to Belarus where in a WEEK I saw 2. The filthy commies there can heat their trainstations on top of that.

Like I said, I don't care for either form of government. I strongly suggest you take a good close look at where you place your thanks though.

[Brute]

I think you're all getting too carried away,Uninen did not say he wanted Nazi's to win......what you all seem to forget here that Communism was the enemy right up until the collapse of the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact.....much the same way people believe that Islam is now the enemy.
The Nazi's and the Russians under Stalin were butchers,they killed Millions alike........so get of some moral crusade about who was worse.....both the Nazi's and the Russians were brutal Regimes,and just as bad as each other.

You've all been warned




He was finding the "salvation of mankind" in Nazis, who were standing outside of Moscow in 1941 and could see "the towers of Kreml". If that's not wanting the Nazis to win, then I don't know what is. :cantbeli:

Thanks for the warning, though... :-|

Regardless of who you believe the Russians of the period to be, trying to find an excuse for someone who's wishing for an erasure (and that's exactly what would've happened) of a country such as Russia from the face of this planet is low. Uninen might have as well wished I had never been born, I would've been equally as offended.


Btw Argyll, if Russia had ceased to exist in 1941 and the Nazis had gained access to its huge natural resources, the Holocaust would've continued for quite sometime, millions more Jews and other "untermenschen" would've been annihilated and the rest of the world, including the mighty USA, would have had a hell of a fight on their hands...

I'll take the 50 years of Communism over 1000 years of Reich, anytime. But to each his own... :roll:

[Scrat335]

First of all was it communism that actually killed all those people?

A very good question. I wonder what the wars and other things of that time had to do with it in Russia. It is very amazing just what was accomplished through all of that conflict. It is amazing that Russia is still whole at all.

[Scrat335]

Regardless of who you believe the Russians of the period to be, trying to find an excuse for someone who's wishing for an erasure (and that's exactly what would've happened) of a country such as Russia from the face of this planet is low.

Never would've happened. Russians are too onery, stubborn and defeat is a state of mind that is not part of the Russian psyche. Russians love to fight/brag too. rofl

I read a book about Russia in WWII. It seems that in Stalingrad in WWII the German generals ordered the winter clothing not to be shipped in the late summer of 1942 because they were afraid of the negative effects of morale on the troops. The German troops did not want to be there.

By contrast it was an honor for a Russian soldier to serve there and many requested transfers to the city from other fronts.

When it comes to a soldiers character there is not many that can match that.

[nick_ua]

was more interested in the first warm place that was open than making note of landmarks. It was freaking cold that day!!!
yehp can't blame you.
the nearest warm place is far away

[nick_ua]

you should read some books about communism...

let me correct you a bit,
he should read books first, and then read books about communism.
What the hell is wrong with the people, they have no ****ing clue what are they talking about and yet they keep on talking.
And by the way what it has to do with the picture of Moscow in1941

[Drako]

I assume you are Polish, I was recently in Warsaw. I spent 2 days there and the footprint of capitalism is very evident there. Huge new buildings built by corporations, banks whatever. I have a picture of the new building behind the trainstation down town across the street from the Palace Of Culture. Really nice building.

HOW ABOUT HEATING THE F*****G TRAINSTATION!!!! And the underground. A perfect example of the callousness of capitalism. If some corp can spend millions to build that then they can spend a million more out of goodwill to contribute to the community.

It seems that the Polish people I saw were struggling to get by, barely making it. A few (very few) are well off. The waitresses of the coffee house in the Arcadia mall working for long hours for vitually nothing. I paid a very high price for my Latte. And I tipped the beautiful Polish lass very well. She deserved it.

I also saw numerous homeless people there, dozens. A sharp contrast to Belarus where in a WEEK I saw 2. The filthy commies there can heat their trainstations on top of that.

Like I said, I don't care for either form of government. I strongly suggest you take a good close look at where you place your thanks though.

First off, PKP (our railway company) isn't government's property. Trainstations (especially in Warsaw) were built 20+ years ago when they were state's property, are big, cold and don't keep the heat. Heating them would cost fortune and PKP is in a bad financial condition.

As to the people you saw on the railwaystation - rich people don't use trains in here. Homless people? Yes, Central Railwaystation is the place where they come from all over the Warsaw cos it's easy to beg for money there. We don't have slums or ghettos here so they are more visible.

How would you know how much the waitress earns? My friends are waiters and they earn quite a lot of money especially as for someone who has no qualifications. How much did you pay for latte? 5$? 10$? Don't you think that customers can afford it if prices are like that?

And Palace of Culture is as ugly as it can be.

Most poor people are the product of our past when having a degree wasn't needed cos no matter what you would get job because noone cared if you did your job well, working by itself was more important. They have no qualifications, they basically can do nothing. Who you want to blame for that?

If you want to discuss it more, PM me. This thread isn't the right place for that.

[Mr.K]

Another interesting thread with pictures ruined by who? An idiot from Finland.

[Hawk of prairie]

very good pics!they recon the good old days of RUSSIA!

[DeltaWhisky58]

Dont reply to Uninen (he was banned before undername Unien)
just report his flame bates and trolling to mods ;)

Great photos nick

thank you !

I can actually find no trace of the username Unien, but no doubts on the flaming/trolling.

[RomanS]

Love it,
JUST LOVE IT

lets all grab eggs and tomatoes and throw it at bad ol' Soviet Union.

Some people say they were as bad as Nazis, and a lot of our western friends acuse Soviets of horrible crimes against German civilians during WW2.

I am sure its easy to do, you just say it "Soviets were no better than Nazis."

But for some (in example Soviets) it takes a courage to push the hordes of hitlers thugs back to Germany, and finish the war there. Fighting street to street, corner to corner.

But for some it only takes 2 atom bombs to drop in the middle of Japan killing who gives a crap how many innocent people and ending the pacific war.

oh and yeah, and than saying USSR is evil for arming herself with nuclear weapons. Thank god my grandfathers and fathers did. Otherwise who knows... I know Patton wanted to keep going East after Hitler was out. Maybe couple of atom bombs on Moscow, and the evil commies would drop their flags?

Nope.

USSR proved the world that US is not the only toughest kid on the block, and proved to everyone that we won't take orders. Thats why we are evil.

PEACE

[sir-chimp]

I read your posts and always I get the picture of some angry kid thumping his chest and beating his keybord.

[RomanS]

I read your posts and always I get the picture of some angry kid thumping his chest and beating his keybord.

sounds like a personal issue
get help

[sir-chimp]

sounds like a personal issue
get help

I was thinking along the same line for you, but hey thanks for looking out for me too.

[RomanS]

I was thinking along the same line for you, but hey thanks for looking out for me too.

i dont need help trust me

[sir-chimp]

i dont need help trust me


lol ok .

[RomanS]

lol ok .

if i do, it aint gonna be from you !

peace

[sir-chimp]

if i do, it aint gonna be from you !

peace


lol ok .