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EvanL
02-24-2004, 11:29 PM
Guerilla commander named 'Cut-Throat' is blamed



KINSHASA, Congo (AP) - A government-allied militia led by a commander known as "Cut Throat" has massacred more than 100 civilians and soldiers in southeast Congo, the army said today, further underscoring the difficulties faced by the government and the United Nations in calming the country's lawless east.
The UN mission for Congo has sent a team to investigate the killings, in remote regions of Katanga province, UN spokesman Hamadoun Toure said in Kinshasa, Congo's capital.

Attacks reported in the past two months included an instance in which Mayi-Mayi traditional fighters threw a grenade into a church during a Sunday mass, killing 25 people inside, Congo Gen. Dieugentil Mpia Nzambe Nzambe told The Associated Press.

Congo's army and rights groups blame the killings on a Mayi-Mayi commander who goes by the Swahili name of Chinja-Chinja, or "Cut-Throat," and allegedly mutilates many of his victims for fetish rites.

"For us, this is a group of armed bandits who continue to kill, to loot the people and rape the women," Nzambe said. "We cannot understand why the Mayi-Mayi continue to act this way."

The UN mission and the government of Congo, a resource-rich nation the size of Western Europe, are trying hard in 2004 to assert the rule of law nationwide after a five-year war that split the country into regions controlled by rebels, the government and by both sides' foreign allies.

About 4,700 UN troops and military observers are deployed around northeast Congo's Ituri province.

Ethnic militias continue to attack civilians, one another and, increasingly, UN forces.

Combatants include the Mayi-Mayi, who fought on the government side during the war.

The term Mayi-Mayi is used for disparate groups in eastern Congo's forests whose fighters are often steeped in magical beliefs, such as that water can protect them from bullets. The Mayi-Mayi - known for their fierceness and dogged by rumours of cannibalism - were allied with the government during the war.

On Feb. 7, Mayi-Mayi fighters ambushed and killed seven Congo soldiers, a member of another security force, and one of the men's wives, Nzambe said.

Earlier, in January, fighters took hostage a delegation of Congolese officers who had gone to negotiate the group's disbanding, Nzambe said. Authorities paid a ransom for the officers' release, he said.

Cut-Throat's group is known for severing the tongues, fingers and other parts of their victims, said Bin Masudi, co-ordinator of the private Committee to Defend Human Rights in Kinshasa.

Masudi said the attacks had sent at least 15,000 civilians fleeing.

SeanAshi
02-24-2004, 11:32 PM
Tomahawk cruise missile would do just fine.

EvanL
02-24-2004, 11:39 PM
Tomahawk cruise missile would do just fine.
yeh and where do you supposed they send it?
USE YOUR HEAD CHILD!
How would that help anyways?
Lets fire a missile into the middle of the African continent. What afterwards?

Skaman
02-24-2004, 11:40 PM
repost everything from the Uganda thread here, and thats what I think.

SeanAshi
02-24-2004, 11:43 PM
Your so concerned about all this going on in Africa, just a suggestion on what todo with Guerilla commander Cut-Throat. Just forget the cruise missile comment and let Cut Throat continue happy now?

EvanL
02-24-2004, 11:48 PM
Your so concerned about all this going on in Africa, just a suggestion on what todo with Guerilla commander Cut-Throat. Just forget the cruise missile comment and let Cut Throat continue happy now?
First off. Where is cut throat? If you can find him sure, kill him.
But what next? You will have to take out all the people like that in africa and there are thousands of them. taking out one man wont change much. someone will just take over from him.

SeanAshi
02-24-2004, 11:50 PM
I don't have contingency plan, what I was meaning find out where he is, then....
taking out one man wont change much. someone will just take over from him.
Fund and give arms to the oppistion.

EvanL
02-25-2004, 12:00 AM
I don't have contingency plan, what I was meaning find out where he is, then....
taking out one man wont change much. someone will just take over from him.
Fund and give arms to the oppistion.
What opposition? Did you read about any? hes a rebel leader. he is the damn opposition.

SeanAshi
02-25-2004, 12:06 AM
If I could just snap my fingers and fix the whole situation I would, right now I bet everyone is standing around asking "whos going in to help?" "anyone?" Somthing needs to be done right now!

What opposition? Did you read about any? hes a rebel leader. he is the damn opposition.
The ones being killed, or anyone who wants to stop him. I'll just keep my mouth shut and you can converse with yourself on this, since you don't like my suggestions. People are dying and the sad thing is that there is alot of people out there who don't care, be angry at me for wanting to target and evil man. :|

EvanL
02-25-2004, 12:14 AM
If I could just snap my fingers and fix the whole situation I would, right now I bet everyone is standing around asking "whos going in to help?" "anyone?" Somthing needs to be done right now!

What opposition? Did you read about any? hes a rebel leader. he is the damn opposition.
The ones being killed, or anyone who wants to stop him. I'll just keep my mouth shut and you can converse with yourself on this, since you don't like my suggestions. People are dying and the sad thing is that there is alot of people out there who don't care, be angry at me for wanting to target and evil man. :|
Im not mad at you for wanting to target the man. But thats not going to solve everything.

Flagg
02-25-2004, 12:30 AM
Tomahawk cruise missile would do just fine.

Ummmm...why waste $1,000,000 of hard earned tax payers money to smoke some chucklehead when it would only take $1 worth of jacketed boattail in the ear to make a more effective (and deniable) point.

SeanAshi
02-25-2004, 01:00 AM
EU, UN, NATO, Arab League, who else is there? Africa is full of chaos, someone needs to get in there now, lives are at stake.

Trident-za
02-25-2004, 03:43 AM
Africa is full of chaos, someone needs to get in there now, lives are at stake.

This has been the case for decades, and will continue to be the case for a long time to come.... Nobody is mad cause you want to target an evil man, but it would be better if whatever intervention happens actually does something constructive. A tomahawk missle? Good grief....

I don't deny that you are interested in helping those people in Africa, but think a little first, please. Quick fixes and things that LOOK like success (i.e. sending a tomahawk to kill one bad guy) don't actually help Africa at all, although they probably make some people sit back and say "Wow, aren't we great? Just look what we did to help!"

If any military intervention does take place in Africa, it cannot be of the "stand-off and do things from a safe distance" variety - not if you genuinly want to help Africa. I don't know what the solution is, but I do not believe some half-assed military action is it..... This, in my opinion, is why there has been so little military intervention to date. To make a long-term difference, you need a LOT of boots on the ground for a LONG time. And most of Africa is not very easy to subdue (or at least considerably harder than Iraq) - the terrein does tend to minimize the usefulness of technological superiority. Laser guided weapons, for example, are tricky to use effectively in a jungle, or even a savannah grassland with 3 metre tall grass.

Nizark
02-25-2004, 03:59 AM
Score more points for UN "military observers!!!!"