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EvanL
02-24-2004, 11:32 PM
Vote on BQ motion is first test of loosened party discipline



OTTAWA (CP) - About 30 Liberal MPs voted against their government today in support of a Bloc Quebecois motion demanding that Ottawa refuse to participate in talks related to the U.S. missile defence program.
The motion was defeated 155 to 71, but more than one-third of the nay votes came from the Liberal caucus.

Canada and the United States have been talking for several weeks about the prospects of Canada joining the defence system, which is scheduled to be operational this fall.

Defence Minister David Pratt hasn't ruled out the possibility interceptor rocket launchers and radar stations could be based in Canada as part of the program.

Among the Liberals who voted for the Bloc motion today were MP Yvon Charbonneau, who serves as parliamentary secretary to Public Security Minister Anne McLellan.

Charbonneau, who joined at least six Quebec Liberal MPs in support of the motion, said he was happy to freely express his opinion on the U.S. plan.

"This vast (missile) program is somewhat ill-conceived and unjustified," Charbonneau said in an interview.

"What are the real reasons for creating such a huge program that will cost billions and will lead to weapons being sent to space?"

He added: "I don't see where these enemies are who would be targeted by this type of program."

The vote today was the first opportunity for government members to take advantage of the free-vote system implemented recently by Prime Minister Paul Martin.

Martin has set out new rules that would loosen party discipline and make it easier for backbenchers to vote as they choose on many bills.

Pratt attempted to minimize the significance of the vote, pointing out fewer than 20 per cent of the Liberal caucus voted with the Bloc.

The Bush administration hopes that developing a global shield against ballistic missiles will protect it against potential threats from countries like North Korea.

The current plan involves missiles based in Alaska and California, with targetting radars in Alaska, Greenland and possibly Australia.

martinexsquaddie
02-25-2004, 03:25 AM
maybe we should just get the russains to sell there cough :D HI tech icbms to rouge states :lol:
the Eu could even subsidise them
result everyones happy
Russians get hard cash
evil dictators get big shiny rockets
the us can publicly rant all they like safe in the knowledge the only threat said rockets pose is if they fell on you rofl

Nizark
02-25-2004, 03:57 AM
the Canadian military have no money anyway...hell, there was even a report on the AP wire today saying that 5 bases may be needed to be closed. Maintaining some kind of base like this would cost money...where would they get it from?

EvanL
02-25-2004, 11:41 AM
the Canadian military have no money anyway...hell, there was even a report on the AP wire today saying that 5 bases may be needed to be closed. Maintaining some kind of base like this would cost money...where would they get it from? I dont think the money would be coming from the militaries budget. I think most likely the government would be funding this program seperately seeing as it would cost the military too much.

Lone Predator
02-25-2004, 11:47 AM
the Canadian military have no money anyway...hell, there was even a report on the AP wire today saying that 5 bases may be needed to be closed. Maintaining some kind of base like this would cost money...where would they get it from? I dont think the money would be coming from the militaries budget. I think most likely the government would be funding this program seperately seeing as it would cost the military too much.

exactly,


granted I wonder if NORAD is military funded,

cut
02-25-2004, 11:57 AM
whatever happened to ABM?

Durandal
02-25-2004, 07:24 PM
I am sure you can the United States to foot the bill...

I mean, the whole world should be worried about...

China! :)

Falco
02-25-2004, 09:10 PM
At least the motion was defeated. It is time that we improve our relationship with our southern neighbours.

Va_Dinger
02-25-2004, 10:13 PM
"Missile Defence" shield to defend against what threat?

Operation Ivy
02-25-2004, 10:16 PM
missiles ;)

Durandal
02-25-2004, 10:46 PM
missiles ;)

rofl

Maybe he forgets China is puching REALLY hard to become a legit world power, rather than simply the country with the most people.

Then again, I always thought the best missle defense against China was for Canada and the United States to stop selling them wheat and rice...

Nuke us and 1/3 of your population starves...

Of course, their givernment might not care either, so who knows.

Va_Dinger
02-26-2004, 12:03 AM
Maybe you forget that China's economy would dry up in about a month without the U.S. Chinese NUC's are no real threat to the United States. Certianly not a threat worth spending billions of dollars to defend against.