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King_Cobra
01-29-2006, 08:15 AM
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/8992/kargil15jw.jpg

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/9421/kagil20pv.jpg

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/2885/kargil33az.jpg

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/674/kargil47ai.jpg

I will post more pix soon....p-) p-) p-)

TacoDelRio
01-29-2006, 08:36 AM
VERY good post! Don't see that very often!

Thanks!

Uninen
01-29-2006, 10:48 AM
The machine gunners praying, moslem soldiers? Is the any where a chart of demographics of the Indian armed forces?

khukuri
01-29-2006, 11:13 AM
when I was in kargil and kashmir alot of the moslems told me it was hard to get in the military as a muslim. Even in kargil were the majority are shiites who oppose pakistan and whos well being is dependent on belonging to india.

King_Cobra
01-29-2006, 11:31 AM
Yes..They are Moslem Soldiers. Indian Army has both Moslem, Hindu & Christian soldiers embedded in every Regiment.

The irony is that the Moslem soldiers in the Pic were fighting Pakisthan sponsored Moslem Terrorists and elements of Al Qudea in Kargil Conflict (1999).

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4268/pak0qx.jpg

Clear-cut evidence of Pakistan's involvement in the conflict, as a Jawan*(*Indian Soldier) holds a 7.62mm round, with the inscription POF (Pakistan Ordnance Factory) embossed on the back.

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/9918/03018ea.jpg
Hindu Soldiers Parying before Assualt

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/6894/03014mr.jpg

Victory !!!

Uninen
01-29-2006, 11:38 AM
The irony is that the Moslem soldiers in the Pic were fighting Pakisthan sponsored Moslem Terrorists and elements of Al Qudea in Kargil Conflict (1999).
I dont know if its such irony, after all even Pakistani military is fighting against Al-Qaida and the tribemen that support them.

G-Capo
01-29-2006, 12:31 PM
Awesome images.More please and of Indian T-90 :)

Resurrection
01-29-2006, 12:35 PM
Very interesting pics, thanks. I'm wondering, how do you tell Pakistani soldiers apart from Indian soldiers? From what I see the Indians don't seem to have any standardized uniform.

earl
01-29-2006, 12:41 PM
I heard that Sikhs have more presence in the military (per capita) than other religious groups? Or maybe that's only historically.

These photos were shown before by another member, a long time aqo. I remember that pic with the D30's. Here's a link to the 114 helicopter unit, that operates the Chetan on Siachin glacier - the worlds most capable high altitude helicopter, specifically modified for support of the Kashmir conflict.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Images/Special/Leh/

Resurrection
01-29-2006, 12:44 PM
Here's a link to the 114 helicopter unit, that operates the Chetan on Siachin glacier - the worlds most capable high altitude helicopter, specifically modified for support of the Kashmir conflict.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Images/Special/Leh/

You sure? Looks pretty old... what do you mean by "most capable"?

khukuri
01-29-2006, 12:49 PM
Its has many high landing records.

Alot of buddhist ladakhis also serve in that part of the country. Sikhs have important part in their religion that tells them to serve in the army.

the fight btw indian muslims and pakistani are not ironic at all, its very similar the one being held in iraq btw moslems. Read what I wrote above.


By the way, nice pics!

khukuri
01-29-2006, 12:56 PM
I dont know if its such irony, after all even Pakistani military is fighting against Al-Qaida and the tribemen that support them.

Indians always like to mention alqaeda to westerners when it comes to that area. But thats far from truth. The organization is called Lashkar-E-toiba. Let, its also a fundemamentalist muslim organisation. But it doesnt "belong" to alqaeda. Its only known that theyve held contact, but not much more than that.

but i guess it gives more "effect" in the west if you call them al-qaeda which theyre not. Not saying theyre nice guys thou,


however to another point

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Images/Special/Leh/IAF13_Small.jpg

thats one of the choppers.

I actually recognized the sign on that hill! been there

earl
01-29-2006, 01:46 PM
Yeah, as for most capable - any other helicopter will struggle to lift its own weight at those altitudes (above 18,000 ft ?) while this helicopter is used to bring in equipment. The Cheetah is the only purpose-built high altitude helicopter because the Indians are the only ones with a battle to fight at such elevations.

I doubt if the Pakistanis have a comparible helicopter, and I don't know how capable the Mi8/Mi17 is, but I doubt if the power to weight ratio is anything close. There is an Mi17 that crashed near base camp on Everest (17,600ft) and I'm pretty sure it's still there because any helicopter that goes up there is at the edge of the envelope and can't lift the additional weight of the wreck. Actually, there are a few:

http://www.basecampmd.com/story/MI-17helicoptercrashesinbasecampagainJun22005.shtml

khukuri
01-29-2006, 02:19 PM
Yeah, as for most capable - any other helicopter will struggle to lift its own weight at those altitudes (above 18,000 ft ?) while this helicopter is used to bring in equipment. The Cheetah is the only purpose-built high altitude helicopter because the Indians are the only ones with a battle to fight at such elevations.

I doubt if the Pakistanis have a comparible helicopter, and I don't know how capable the Mi8/Mi17 is, but I doubt if the power to weight ratio is anything close. There is an Mi17 that crashed near base camp on Everest (17,600ft) and I'm pretty sure it's still there because any helicopter that goes up there is at the edge of the envelope and can't lift the additional weight of the wreck. Actually, there are a few:

http://www.basecampmd.com/story/MI-17helicoptercrashesinbasecampagainJun22005.shtml


Theres was one, when I was there, another one crashed. But they do landings there. Just risk very hi.

Dunno what pakistanis use but they recently made a new world record saving climbers? I think it was a colonel who flew the thing

edit; checked the link. Omg that the same one I was talking about, 2 june was during my trek up there. lol I was waiting that time to see the journos who was omboard that chopper to run down fast. No wonder I never saw them, they picked them up in another one.

khukuri
01-29-2006, 04:58 PM
http://vayu-sena-aux.tripod.com/pix/kargil-mi17-5.jpg

http://www.satribune.com/archives/august04/inset_jn.jpg

http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/pix/kargil_captured_arms.jpg

http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/pix/kargil_captured_arms.jpg
captured stuff

http://www.atributetohinduism.com/images/loc_kargil2.jpg
I think its from the movie LOC.

http://www.indianjawan.com/files/images/army-action_kargil_0.jpg


Beatiful place, this is the road to kargil from my trip.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/facit/valley.jpg

STIG
01-29-2006, 08:37 PM
awesome pics...

Gurkhas in action in Kargil...
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/8535/02198ap.jpg

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/6910/03482er.jpg

dazzler
01-31-2006, 01:49 PM
Very interesting pics, thanks. I'm wondering, how do you tell Pakistani soldiers apart from Indian soldiers? From what I see the Indians don't seem to have any standardized uniform.


no its not correct, Indian soldier have standard uniform...soldiers were issued sweaters,zipper,heavy jackets during kargil operation it depends entirely on individual soldiers what he wants to wear.

dazzler
01-31-2006, 01:57 PM
[quote=earl]I heard that Sikhs have more presence in the military (per capita) than other religious groups? Or maybe that's only historically.


its not only Sikhs but Jat and Rajput also who have large number of presence in the Indian army...main reason is the tradition they have been serving the nation for decades and the family feels proud in sending their son to the army and the places from where these people comes from are close to the border and they have seen wars...maximum people come from north india only..