Canadian SAR Techs

[Roy Batty]

Canadian SAR (Search and Rescue) Techs are a small group of members of the Canadian forces whos job it is to walk, parachute, fly or swim into areas where lives are in danger and people are in need of rescue. The all attend the CSSAR at CFB Comox on Vancouver Island and it holds a reputation as one of the toughest courses in the military. They are all qualified jumpers, divers and medics. They work unarmed. Their motto is "So that others might live"
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[Roy Batty]

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[Resevoir Hogs]

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The Air Force is going to decide between these following two aircraft to replace the buffalo.
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or
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[Dakota435]

The Air Force is going to decide between these following two aircraft to replace the buffalo.
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or
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Neither one of them can fly in and out of a soccer field though. Or take off on sand with one engine.

[Roy Batty]

It would be a shame to see the Buff go. It's such a great aircraft. When I was young I got the chance to fly in one with 427 Sqn and it was something I won't ever forget.

[Hater of people]

I think the Buffalo will be around for awhile yet. We just hauled a complete aircraft from the graveyard in Ontario, so it'll give us lots of parts to use. Plus our local metal/machine shop (where I work) can fabricate almost any parts that we can't aquire off the parts plane.

[RoyalAir]

My window looks right at a SAR tech squadron, and I see them do drops once in a while...

[Whitcomb]

They have the same motto as the U.S. Air Force PJ's.....

Looks like a very well established fleet of SAR Techs, very nice

[Resevoir Hogs]

Neither one of them can fly in and out of a soccer field though. Or take off on sand with one engine.

You do realise that they are not required to do either of those things. That's what the Cormorant is for.

[NorthOf45]

I posted this one in another thread. However, it is better suited for here. It's a great shot IMHO ...

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[Resevoir Hogs]

I think the Buffalo will be around for awhile yet. We just hauled a complete aircraft from the graveyard in Ontario, so it'll give us lots of parts to use. Plus our local metal/machine shop (where I work) can fabricate almost any parts that we can't aquire off the parts plane.

The replacement program has been underway for quite a few years now. It is nearing completion so I'm affraid the buffalo's days will be a thing of the past.

[NorthOf45]

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Quite a pair ... Sudbury native Captain Mark Levesque, the Canadian Forces pilot with the most amount of flying time on a CH-113 Labrador helicopter ( 6000 hours ), gives "the old lady of SAR" one last pat prior to take-off from the Canada Aviation Museum in Ottawa on July 27, 2004. Photo: Holly Bridges, DND

Click on the following link for a hi-res image and check out the writing on the chopper ...

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[HoboWithAK]

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He's not wearing his Marathon TSAR... What a loser.

[Roy Batty]

He's not wearing his Marathon TSAR... What a loser.

That reminds me of buddies of mine who bought majorly expensive Tissot watches in Afghanistan. These watches did everything except blow you but they are so nice the guys never took them out of the boxes. My Timex Expedition, on the other hand, has been through a tour overseas and more exercises than I can count and it still works like the day I paid $40 for it.

[Kingswat]

Nice thread sig.

[MapleLeafInfantry]

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Quite a pair ... Sudbury native Captain Mark Levesque, the Canadian Forces pilot with the most amount of flying time on a CH-113 Labrador helicopter ( 6000 hours ), gives "the old lady of SAR" one last pat prior to take-off from the Canada Aviation Museum in Ottawa on July 27, 2004. Photo: Holly Bridges, DND

Click on the following link for a hi-res image and check out the writing on the chopper ...

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No way, he was recruiting at Laurentian University last week... small world.
told me to go pilot.

[Hater of people]

The replacement program has been underway for quite a few years now. It is nearing completion so I'm affraid the buffalo's days will be a thing of the past.
I work at 442 SAR Squadron, so you're preaching to the choir. It'll be awhile yet before we see a new plane, and because of that we have aquired a complete Buffalo parts aircraft.

[Resevoir Hogs]

I work at 442 SAR Squadron, so you're preaching to the choir. It'll be awhile yet before we see a new plane, and because of that we have aquired a complete Buffalo parts aircraft.

I work in Ottawa so all I'm saying is I know the program has been on for a while and that it is down to these two choices. However long it may take at least we both know that the replacement you'll be getting will be a very good one. I'm putting my money on the C-27J Spartan. At a recent defence industry showcase I had the chance to speak with the guys at their table and they seemed to be bery confident in that respect. I think because it has a lot of commonality with the C-130J Herc that it is a shoe in. That and the fact it is faster than the casa and has a longer range. And I believe it is more fuel efficient too. In either case it is a great choice and my personal favourite for the buffalo replacement.

[redneckundercover]

So do you guys have a CSAR unit up there cause unless they change out of the orange I dont see these guys running through the streets, desert or jungle to save the day. They do have a very cool job however sounds like a great deal of fun.

[Resevoir Hogs]

So do you guys have a CSAR unit up there cause unless they change out of the orange I dont see these guys running through the streets, desert or jungle to save the day. They do have a very cool job however sounds like a great deal of fun.

Good question to which I don't entirely know the answer. I have however seen some Griffon helicopters at Bagotville with winches and crews training to do SAR missions. And they have been used domestically for SAR missions when Labradors were not available. I'm assuming that Griffons, equiped with that capability are what we use for CSAR. But during those they probably wear the green flightsuits.
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[PaulClift]

The American para rescue jumpers have the same "so others may live motto", theres a good book by the same name, they are armed but then they do combat search and rescue aswell.

Do these Canadian teams not do CSAR if there not armed?

[earl]

You might have seen this, but fits here. It's the same CH113:

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[Roy Batty]

The American para rescue jumpers have the same "so others may live motto", theres a good book by the same name, they are armed but then they do combat search and rescue aswell.

Do these Canadian teams not do CSAR if there not armed?

These guys job is not CSAR. They don't even carry pistols. IIRC the SAR birds carry a small orange .308 cal rifle for bears and thats it. As far as I know nobody in the forces is specificly tasked to do CSAR. There was some rumor and speculation awhile back about it becoming a trade but nothing has come of it yet.

[morkev]

The American para rescue jumpers have the same "so others may live motto", theres a good book by the same name, they are armed but then they do combat search and rescue aswell.

Do these Canadian teams not do CSAR if there not armed?

We took the motto from you guys. We just cut it down and called it our own.

Apart from rescues there is no simularities between the PJ's and the SAR Techs. And no we have no CSAR capability.

[Resevoir Hogs]

Too bad, although I'm sure when the CDS gets around to it he'll make it a trade. It really should be a part of what the SAR techs do. Kinda like the difference the MPs experience when at home and overseas.

[Roy Batty]

Too bad, although I'm sure when the CDS gets around to it he'll make it a trade. It really should be a part of what the SAR techs do. Kinda like the difference the MPs experience when at home and overseas.

Most of the MP's on the tour I did never left the camp. They hung around giving speeding tickets inside the fence line.

Also I wouldn't be suprised if it became a totaly different trade (CSAR I mean).

[Resevoir Hogs]

Most of the MP's on the tour I did never left the camp. They hung around giving speeding tickets inside the fence line.

Also I wouldn't be suprised if it became a totaly different trade (CSAR I mean).

Ha so not much different from what the meatheads do here.

Yea perhaps it would be better to seperate them. It still should be a Air Force trade though.

[Roy Batty]

Ha so not much different from what the meatheads do here.

Yea perhaps it would be better to seperate them. It still should be a Air Force trade though.

Agreed and agreed...lol

[Resevoir Hogs]

I've been developing the idea lately of putting a bait car in a parking spot and letting the MP go over to ticket it. Then having a arty-sim attached to the bottom of the car with a string to the pin. Pull it when they get close and watch the hilarity unfold.

Aww but that would be too mean.

Not like when they throw arty sims at our heads and feet. That's completely fine.

[Roy Batty]

I've been developing the idea lately of putting a bait car in a parking spot and letting the MP go over to ticket it. Then having a arty-sim attached to the bottom of the car with a string to the pin. Pull it when they get close and watch the hilarity unfold.

Aww but that would be too mean.

Not like when they throw arty sims at our heads and feet. That's completely fine.

My favorite is when they land in a puddle beside you...shower time

[Gauntlet]

We took the motto from you guys. We just cut it down and called it our own.

Apart from rescues there is no simularities between the PJ's and the SAR Techs. And no we have no CSAR capability.

Actually the SAR Techs and PJs are nearly identical. SAR Techs don't have combat training.
I'm reading the book "So Others May Live", and it mentions the SAR Techs and how the PJs worked with them.

A SAR Tech played a prank on a PJ by throwing a smoke flare into an outhouse. The flare lit the methane. The PJ wasn't hurt, but he wasn't happy.

[Kingswat]

There was a show on OLN called "Truth, Duty, Valor" that followed a bunch of different traits in the Canadian Forces around on their training. The show about SARTECH's was propably the best, but they said that Canada has no official CSAR, however the SARTECH's can be used in that role if they are needed.

[Resevoir Hogs]

There was a show on OLN called "Truth, Duty, Valor" that followed a bunch of different traits in the Canadian Forces around on their training. The show about SARTECH's was propably the best, but they said that Canada has no official CSAR, however the SARTECH's can be used in that role if they are needed.

Been a while since they were or if they ever were.

[Roy Batty]

There was a show on OLN called "Truth, Duty, Valor" that followed a bunch of different traits in the Canadian Forces around on their training. The show about SARTECH's was propably the best, but they said that Canada has no official CSAR, however the SARTECH's can be used in that role if they are needed.

They may say that but not all SAR Techs have any combat training (some are ex-combat arms guys)and combat training of CSAR calibre would'nt happen in a hurry.

[Resevoir Hogs]

It would be a good role for them to undertake and it seems to me to be a necessity for a modern air force.

Also some army infantry could train in doing these missions as well. When we get the medium and heavy lift helicopters in service that is. My buddy who was a US Marine was a part of the helicopter extract who got that USAF F16 pilot out of the balkans. They went in with almost a full platoon to get him back. Different circumstances sometimes require a more forceful response. Plus it would further increase the things our infantry are trained to do.

As for the medium and heavy lift helicopters I mentioned, I personally hope these two win the contracts.

Heavy Lift
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[morkev]

[quote=Resevoir Hogs]I've been developing the idea lately of putting a bait car in a parking spot and letting the MP go over to ticket it. Then having a arty-sim attached to the bottom of the car with a string to the pin. Pull it when they get close and watch the hilarity unfold.

Aww but that would be too mean.

Not like when they throw arty sims at our heads and feet. That's completely fine.[/quote

The bait car could be a Mobile Donut Wagon. That's sure to attract them. Only thing is it might attract some hungry Motarmen too.:) ]

[morkev]

[quote=Gauntlet]Actually the SAR Techs and PJs are nearly identical. SAR Techs don't have combat training.
I'm reading the book "So Others May Live", and it mentions the SAR Techs and how the PJs worked with them.

A SAR Tech played a prank on a PJ by throwing a smoke flare into an outhouse. The flare lit the methane. The PJ wasn't hurt, but he wasn't happy.[/quote


Rescues only. I don't consider combat training a small difference. I agree our SAR Techs are well trained but they do not have a combat function. They rescue people, military (aircrew) and civilian in Canada only.
We don't deploy them on overseas tours where our helos are. I never saw them on any of my tours. But they are needed in Canada because they play a major part in SAR nation wide
Like was mention before it would great if they had a combat role. But then we would have to paint over the yellow and that would look too aggressive.

[Resevoir Hogs]

Agressive is the way of our future.

[morkev]

I hope you are right.

[Resevoir Hogs]

I hope you are right.

IF you ever get a chance to talk to the CDS, you'd see what I mean.

[Kingswat]

yeah, aggressive would be nice, now we just need some leo 2's to help project that.

[Resevoir Hogs]

yeah, aggressive would be nice, now we just need some leo 2's to help project that.

We can only hope. When I had a chance to ask Gordon Occonor, (the most likely incoming defence minister) he said he'd like to see some MBT in service. Along with the airlift and sealift to move them.

[Kingswat]

It would be nice to still have a MBT along with the LAV's they are developing.


The leo2 would be a nice addition, especially if they got more then 100.

[NorthOf45]

As for the medium and heavy lift helicopters I mentioned, I personally hope these two win the contracts.

Heavy Lift
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Medium Lift
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I'm sure we'll see the Chinooks in Canada. However, the medium lift contract has been awarded to the Sikorsky H92

http://www.sikorsky.com/Images/SAC_Sikorsky_Aircraft_Corporation/US-en/H92_0002L.jpg

I too was hoping that the EH-101 would be selected. Apparently, the new Conservative government might get stuck with a $1 billion penalty for the liberals' political games in issuing the RFP.

[Hater of people]

IF you ever get a chance to talk to the CDS, you'd see what I mean.
morkev has spoken with the CDS, and on more than one occassion. He has more time on operational deployments with 2PPCLI than you have in the reserves. He is the author of the Corporals Report, published in the Infantry Journal and read by all senior members of the army. Don't try to sound so superior when you don't know who you're talking to.

[Roy Batty]

morkev has spoken with the CDS, and on more than one occassion. He has more time on operational deployments with 2PPCLI than you have in the reserves. He is the author of the Corporals Report, published in the Infantry Journal and read by all senior members of the army. Don't try to sound so superior when you don't know who you're talking to.

Hogs did'nt come off as trying to sound superior as far as I could tell.

[Johnny_H02]

It would be a shame to see the Buff go. It's such a great aircraft. When I was young I got the chance to fly in one with 427 Sqn and it was something I won't ever forget.

Yeah the Buffalo is incredible, I watched one of those almost fly to a standstill it was insane how slow they can fly that thing, it will be greatly missed.

[morkev]

Hogs did'nt come off as trying to sound superior as far as I could tell.


Actually that was a pretty big IF. I was also at SPS 7 (Strategic Planning Session 7) in Cornwall. One of only two enlisted men ever invited. This was by Gen Hillier also.
Not bragging, just to point out that some of you are not the only "Know It Alls" from Canada on this forum.


Hater, ya took my words

[Resevoir Hogs]

morkev has spoken with the CDS, and on more than one occassion. He has more time on operational deployments with 2PPCLI than you have in the reserves. He is the author of the Corporals Report, published in the Infantry Journal and read by all senior members of the army. Don't try to sound so superior when you don't know who you're talking to.

First of all I wasn't claiming to "know it all" or sound superior. On here there's no way for me to know who I'm speaking to unless they state so, and I don't mind taking people at their word. Secondly I was simply saying to Morkev that if he gets a chance to speak with Gen.Hillier (which I now know he has) then he'd understand why I said that about the future of the CF. He obviously does as I have now learned.

[Resevoir Hogs]

I'm sure we'll see the Chinooks in Canada. However, the medium lift contract has been awarded to the Sikorsky H92

http://www.sikorsky.com/Images/SAC_Sikorsky_Aircraft_Corporation/US-en/H92_0002L.jpg

I too was hoping that the EH-101 would be selected. Apparently, the new Conservative government might get stuck with a $1 billion penalty for the liberals' political games in issuing the RFP.

I believe that the contract for the medium lift helicopter hasn't been awarded yet. I think your refering to the Maritime Helicopter project. At least the picture you posted is from that role.

[NorthOf45]

I believe that the contract for the medium lift helicopter hasn't been awarded yet. I think your refering to the Maritime Helicopter project. At least the picture you posted is from that role.

So there is a medium lift contract over and above that to replace the Sea Kings? I guess I thought they were one and the same. If so, my bad.

[ENSIGN FOREVER]

They may say that but not all SAR Techs have any combat training (some are ex-combat arms guys)and combat training of CSAR calibre would'nt happen in a hurry.

But it would not be a long leap to get this guys qual'd in CSAR. Clearly they're guys who have their stuff together, and would be the perfect building block to build a CSAR unit.

[guest]

It would be a good role for them to undertake and it seems to me to be a necessity for a modern air force.

Also some army infantry could train in doing these missions as well. When we get the medium and heavy lift helicopters in service that is. My buddy who was a US Marine was a part of the helicopter extract who got that USAF F16 pilot out of the balkans. They went in with almost a full platoon to get him back. Different circumstances sometimes require a more forceful response. Plus it would further increase the things our infantry are trained to do.

As for the medium and heavy lift helicopters I mentioned, I personally hope these two win the contracts.

Heavy Lift
http://www.sfu.ca/casr/bg-helo-ch47-2.jpg
Medium Lift
http://www.sfu.ca/casr/bg-helo-eh-2.jpg

You do know that we've had maint headaches with these birds.

SAR has been down so many times.. they've been filling in with the "Kings..

Most of the SeaKing Drivers are glad we did'nt get them for the MHP.

As for Heavy Lift.

I predict Ch-47s (Hillier has a HARD-ON for those)
(and perhaps some additional H-92's if the price is right)

I will bet my right arm that you will NEVER see another EH101 contract in Canada.

Oh, and on the helo rumour mil.

Tac Hel Boys want a gunship.. the army wants a "armed recon helicoptor" (it's mentioned in some "Army Transformation" material.

Look for a "Made in Canada" solution..

AKA - Bell ARH (Hellfires,miniguns,rockets.. oh my) :)

[Roy Batty]

You do know that we've had maint headaches with these birds.

SAR has been down so many times.. they've been filling in with the "Kings..

Most of the SeaKing Drivers are glad we did'nt get them for the MHP.

As for Heavy Lift.

I predict Ch-47s (Hillier has a HARD-ON for those)
(and perhaps some additional H-92's if the price is right)

I will bet my right arm that you will NEVER see another EH101 contract in Canada.

Oh, and on the helo rumour mil.

Tac Hel Boys want a gunship.. the army wants a "armed recon helicoptor" (it's mentioned in some "Army Transformation" material.

Look for a "Made in Canada" solution..

AKA - Bell ARH (Hellfires,miniguns,rockets.. oh my) :)

Speaking of Tac Hel. I saw the boys strutting around in their tan berets today. :)

[Roy Batty]

But it would not be a long leap to get this guys qual'd in CSAR. Clearly they're guys who have their stuff together, and would be the perfect building block to build a CSAR unit.

And in reality alot of them are ex-combat arms guys to begin with.

[guest]

Speaking of Tac Hel. I saw the boys strutting around in their tan berets today. :)

I noticed a few "forgot" how to wear one.

[marty649]

EH-101 has proven to be a POS when it comes to problems. CF is having way too many problems so its probably a blessing that it wasnt chosen.

[guest]

EH-101 has proven to be a POS when it comes to problems. CF is having way too many problems so its probably a blessing that it wasnt chosen.


It's not so much that it's a POS.

It's just for some reason, the tail rotor design is fataly flawed, and is ****e to cracking .. (and worse)

In fact, the last crash of a UK Merlin was attributed to the very problem.
(If I'm not mistaken)

Coupled with some other various, smaller maintinence issues. (I'm not quallified to comment), has left our Cormorant fleet grounded more often then we'd like.

Dealing with the manufacture has been difficult (to say the least)

AS by way of comparison.. Sikorsky's relationship with DND is excellent

The boys at Shearwater have been using SeaKings in the SAR mode on these occcasions.

If we could fix the tailrotor problem, things would be looking up.

When she's flying, the EH101 performs well.

So will the H-92.. she'll have the newest ASW toys on the block.

If there's one thing our Navy does well.. it's ASW.

It's been the main doctrine from the Cold War.. our guys are VERY good at finding and killing subs.

[Resevoir Hogs]

So there is a medium lift contract over and above that to replace the Sea Kings? I guess I thought they were one and the same. If so, my bad.

Well they were two seperate things you see. The Maritime Helicopter project was initiated to replace our in-service sea kings in the shipborne anti-submarine role. It was looking for a helicopter capable of carrying sensors as well as torpedos and operating off of our ships.

The Medium Lift Helicopter is intended primarily to work with the army and transport troops/equipment. It is not replacing any in service helicopters because at the moment we lack this capability. It is a relatively new project.

As for which helicopters should ultimately take on this role, I say the EH101. Because when it works it does outperform both the H-92 and the blackhawk (two other options for this role). It can carry more in it's cabin, it can pick more up slung underneath and it has a longer range and faster speed. The tailrotor problem could be fixed, and I'm sure that the experience of the Merlin(EH101) in british service has or will lead to the company making those modifications. Whichever we choose though, both the EH101 and the H-92 will be compatible for parts and maintenance with choppers we already have or will have soon.

[NorthOf45]

Thanks for the clarification on the medium lift contract.


As for which helicopters should ultimately take on this role, I say the EH101. Because when it works it does outperform both the H-92 and the blackhawk (two other options for this role). It can carry more in it's cabin, it can pick more up slung underneath and it has a longer range and faster speed. The tailrotor problem could be fixed, and I'm sure that the experience of the Merlin(EH101) in british service has or will lead to the company making those modifications. Whichever we choose though, both the EH101 and the H-92 will be compatible for parts and maintenance with choppers we already have or will have soon.

These are essentially my thoughts as well. Also, the third engine in the EH-101 is a big plus IMO.

[Resevoir Hogs]

Yes the third engine is a great plus, especially in the conditions we need it for. Also it can be shut off in flight to cruise and conserve fuel.

[guest]

Yes the third engine is a great plus, especially in the conditions we need it for. Also it can be shut off in flight to cruise and conserve fuel.

Don't forget you need that third engine, what with the engine troubles as well. ;)

Seriously,

Looking at the specs, the 101 does have a little more to offer than the H-92.

(Not by much mind you..around 2500 lbs more lift and 50 mph faster...)

I certainly claim to be no Helo expert, However..

Every single conversation, or post by actual Seathing drivers.. has been in favour of the H-92.


I have to wonder why... hrmmm...

[Resevoir Hogs]

Don't forget you need that third engine, what with the engine troubles as well. ;)

Seriously,

Looking at the specs, the 101 does have a little more to offer than the H-92.

(Not by much mind you..around 2500 lbs more lift and 50 mph faster...)

I certainly claim to be no Helo expert, However..

Every single conversation, or post by actual Seathing drivers.. has been in favour of the H-92.


I have to wonder why... hrmmm...


Well that's fine the sea going pilots are already getting the H-92 from the Maritime Helicopter program.

But when it comes to the army's requirements I have heard really good things about the Merlin that is in service with Britain.

[abncougar]

very very very cool thread Sig. amazing stuff, i had know idea the canucks had such a unit. some very cool pics indeed.

[Roy Batty]

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From the latest training Ex.

[CANsoldier]

wow , im impressed, some good pictures