canadian troops in haiti

[pinkeye]

for you canucks, canadian troops are being sent to haiti to secure the embassy. the first media reports are claiming these are "special" troops but fail to specify. any ideas? does canada have the equivalent of the unit of marines currently in action?

[[AFSOC]]

Most likely these troops are Canadian Special Forces....JTF-2. There not like MARINES. Like SAS and US SOF.

[ArmedPacifist]

]Most likely these troops are Canadian Special Forces....JTF-2. There not like MARINES. Like SAS and US SOF.

That was my first thought also...But I'm not sure.

[pinkeye]

]Most likely these troops are Canadian Special Forces....JTF-2. There not like MARINES. Like SAS and US SOF.

i am very well aware of the fact that jtf-2 is not like the marine corps. hell, just about everyone alive is aware of that fact.
as i mentioned, the first media reports have stated that a "special" unit has been deployed, although it would seem unlikely that jtf-2 would be the unit in question since this kind of operation is not part of their mandate. i, however, could very well be wrong...

[Lone Predator]

part of the JTF-2's role is protecting Canadian officials and stuff, so that might make sense.

They've been deployed before to protect the Prime Minister and other Ministers when in foriegn countries.


or there could simply be special groups inside the Canadian Infantry Regiments that are trained in CQB and securing officials ect.. that can be deployed to situations like this.

[scm77]

This is something JTF2 would do.

On CBC they had a story about the Canadian ambassadors to afghanistan. It said they had round the clock protection from "elite troops" :roll: (obviously JTF2).

If they would protect ambassadors in afghanistan, why not haiti?

[Lone Predator]

http://www.canada.com/national/story.html?id=599dc8c4-fcca-4449-9934-a03344454eef

"A small force of Canadian troops, likely members of the special operations unit Joint Task Force 2, is on its way to Haiti to protect embassy staff."

[USMarine3521]

hopefully they wont send too many JTF-2, they seriously only need to send like 1-2 JTF-2 guys....we sent 50 Marines to our embassy thats wayyyy too many, 50 Marines is enough to freakin' conquer Haiti :lol:

[Yard Ape]

This is something JTF2 would do.It would also be appropriate for a Rifle Coy of a light Bn. It all depends on the scope of the mission.

[Yard Ape]

http://globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040225.wtroops0225/BNStory/National/
It is a planning/advisory group of 9 guys. Could be JTF2. Could be CFJOG. Could be a 2 RCR recce party. The media has made the assumption that it is JTF2, but they have nothing to back that up.

[One?]

http://globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040225.wtroops0225/BNStory/National/
It is a planning/advisory group of 9 guys. Could be JTF2. Could be CFJOG. Could be a 2 RCR recce party. The media has made the assumption that it is JTF2, but they have nothing to back that up.

Even if JTF2 was sent I doubt the government would make it public. They will keep it as an "elite unit". Or maybe we have a new secret unit that no one knows about :roll:

[[AFSOC]]

JTF2 will be deployed....

Canada wont deploy a rifle company cuz Canada's regular Infantry troops are exhausted from deployments. The RCR just got back from Afghstanistan think your PPCLI is in Bosnia and the Royal 22e is in Afghanistan.

JTF2 has many roles, like recon, counter terrorism, close protection, combat behind enemy lines etc.

[Lone Predator]

http://globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040225.wtroops0225/BNStory/National/
It is a planning/advisory group of 9 guys. Could be JTF2. Could be CFJOG. Could be a 2 RCR recce party. The media has made the assumption that it is JTF2, but they have nothing to back that up.

Even if JTF2 was sent I doubt the government would make it public. They will keep it as an "elite unit". Or maybe we have a new secret unit that no one knows about :roll:


Or an old one, that no one ever found out about.... p-)

[Minjin]

Even if JTF2 was sent I doubt the government would make it public. They will keep it as an "elite unit". Or maybe we have a new secret unit that no one knows about :roll:


JTF2 going to Haiti was on the news here tonight. 9 members according to the report I saw. And the typical file footage of the Helo fastrope.

Also, from the ASC boards:

OTTAWA (CP) - A small Canadian force of nine soldiers, likely members of the special operations unit Joint Task Force 2, headed to Haiti on Wednesday to protect embassy staff.


The troops were to join five Canadian military planners already in the war-ravaged country preparing the potential evacuation of over 1,000 Canadians, Maj. Mike Audette said. The soldiers left Wednesday afternoon and were expected in the capital of Port-au-Prince by evening.


Audette would not say if they were from JTF-2, but this is the type of rapid-response operation JTF-2 is trained for and the force provides some embassy security in other hotspots.


"We have dispatched CF members to assist the embassy in Haiti with security measures," Audette said. "We are not in a position to discuss the composition or numbers of security staff who have been dispatched."


The soldiers were sent after the Department of Foreign Affairs "asked for the provision of personnel to assist with security measures for the embassy and its staff."


A larger contingent of Canadian soldiers, but smaller than a 120-member company, has been put on alert and could depart to further secure the safety of embassy staff and other Canadian citizens in a matter of hours, said Audette.


Members of 2nd Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment, in Gagetown, N.B., along with elements of the Joint Operations Group out of Kingston, Ont., and a Hercules aircraft in Trenton, Ont., have been put on standby, he said.


French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin on Wednesday issued a statement calling for an "immediate" international civilian force to restore order in Haiti, where a rebellion threatens to topple President Jean-Baptiste Aristide.


France also said it wants human rights observers to be sent to the Caribbean country and a "long term" engagement of international aid aimed at reconstructing Haiti's dismal social and economic situation.


U.S. Marines were escorting foreigners trying to flee Haiti's capital Wednesday as looting broke out and opposition leaders urged a "timely and orderly" departure of the beleaguered president.


Aristide loyalists built dozens of flaming barricades, blocking roads all over the city and some leading to the airport.


Washington was encouraging the international community to provide a strong security presence in Haiti as America and its allies continued to try to achieve a political solution to the island nation's escalating violence.


In Washington, U.S. efforts focused on the diplomatic side.


"We are working closely with the Organization of American States," said White House spokesman Scott McClellan. "We are working closely with France and Canada and other nations to bring about a peaceful political solution."


Aristide had accepted a plan presented by diplomats, including Canadian cabinet minister Denis Coderre, which would have allowed him to remain president with diminished powers and required him to organize elections with political rivals. But the plan was rejected by opposition members.


Five Canadian Forces personnel arrived in Port-au-Prince on Tuesday to assist the embassy with planning the evacuation of Canadians should the situation worsen.


Ottawa has authorized the departure of non-essential staff from the embassy and all dependants of Canadian government personnel. Overall, there are about 30,000 foreigners in Haiti, some 20,000 of them Americans.


Ottawa has said it would be willing to contribute to a police force to help establish stability if a political solution between the warring sides could be found.

[Yard Ape]

] Canada wont deploy a rifle company cuz Canada's regular Infantry troops are exhausted from deployments. The RCR just got back from Afghstanistan think your PPCLI is in Bosnia and the Royal 22e is in Afghanistan.Each regiment is three battalions strong (and each brigade has an Armd Regt to privide four manouver units in each CMBG). That gives us 9 battalions of 3 (under strength) rifle Coy each. Afghanistan is only a Bn at a time, and Bosnia is now less than that (a manouver unit HQ, rifle coy, support). We have more than enough capacity to send an infantry company. Combat Support and CSS are our limiting factors, not infantry.

[Yard Ape]

Canadian Press coverage (http://www.canada.com/edmonton/story.asp?id=59D7286F-4059-482C-93DA-82E91E164541)

[Yard Ape]

Looks like we will be part of a UN Chapter 7 force:

http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040229.wtroop0229/BNStory/Front/

[[AFSOC]]

] Canada wont deploy a rifle company cuz Canada's regular Infantry troops are exhausted from deployments. The RCR just got back from Afghstanistan think your PPCLI is in Bosnia and the Royal 22e is in Afghanistan.Each regiment is three battalions strong (and each brigade has an Armd Regt to privide four manouver units in each CMBG). That gives us 9 battalions of 3 (under strength) rifle Coy each. Afghanistan is only a Bn at a time, and Bosnia is now less than that (a manouver unit HQ, rifle coy, support). We have more than enough capacity to send an infantry company. Combat Support and CSS are our limiting factors, not infantry.

Well they sent members of the 2RCR and JTF2 soldiers..