IDF profile

[shlomo]

If i get a perfect score on pushups, situps, and the running what is the lowest profile i can get? i really want to be in a combat unit , and wanted to know also what other factors can make your profile go down

[ENSIGN FOREVER]

If i get a perfect score on pushups, situps, and the running what is the lowest profile i can get? i really want to be in a combat unit , and wanted to know also what other factors can make your profile go down

If you get such a high score, and if according to your profile you live in Brooklyn, NYC, NY, USA, then why don't you join our Army/Marines?

I can give you directions to the recruiter!

[Snoshi]

If i get a perfect score on pushups, situps, and the running what is the lowest profile i can get? i really want to be in a combat unit , and wanted to know also what other factors can make your profile go down

I dont think that entrance test for IDF is same as in US, i am right?

[ENSIGN FOREVER]

I dont think that entrance test for IDF is same as in US, i am right?

Dunno what the IDF reqs are.

But hey, the dude lives in Brooklyn, so why go to the IDF? If he's an American citizen he ought to knock off the malarkey and join our/his nation's armed forces and serve alongside his fellow citizens--specially those who are risking their lives everyday for him--not join some other countries forces (unless you go to the FFL, and I respect that choice 100%).

If he's dual-citizenship, ditto. Join the US team.

But if he's an Israeli citizen, and just happens to be living in the US, hell, we'll take him too!!!! We don't discriminate towards citizens of friendly nations.

So Snoshi, here's some POC:

USMC Recruiting Station
1427 Flatbush Ave
Brooklyn, NY
(718)434-7575

US Army Recruiting Station
4815 Church Ave.
Brooklyn, NY
(718)282-0023

or make me proud and join the Fleet

US Navy Recruiting Station
102 Flatbush Ave.
Brooklyn, NY
(718) 330-7665

p-)

[Moledet]

Fitness tests aren't part of your profile, the profile is decided by your health condition after that there's the Quality group score that is decided by intelligence tests and if you want to join a voluntary unit (Paratroopers, Navy and SF) you need to pass a short fitness test called Bar-Or quiz. It's quite easy and 90% of the recruits that do it pass.
Later you are invited to a gibush which is a test of everything, fitness, intelligence, leadership, helping others, etc... It's one day for the easiest gibush (Paratroopers) and 6 days for the toughest one (Shayetet 13).

BTW ENSIGN FOREVER, I guess he just wants to be in the IDF. I won't mind if he joins the US army.

[Snoshi]

Fitness tests aren't part of your profile, the profile is decided by your health condition after that there's the Quality group score that is decided by intelligence tests and if you want to join a voluntary unit (Paratroopers, Navy and SF) you need to pass a short fitness test called Bar-Or quiz. It's quite easy and 90% of the recruits that do it pass.
Later you are invited to a gibush which is a test of everything, fitness, intelligence, leadership, helping others, etc... It's one day for the easiest gibush (Paratroopers) and 6 days for the toughest one (Shayetet 13).

BTW ENSIGN FOREVER, I guess he just wants to be in the IDF. I won't mind if he joins the US army.

Yep, i was right.

[alon]

shlomo,
Are you going through Mahal???
Or are you making Aliyah?

Please keep the board posted on your progress.

[El-Sefarad]

But hey, the dude lives in Brooklyn, so why go to the IDF?

Because he's a jew, and he wants to feel the pride to serve in a IDF unit ...so easy to understand..

Good luck shlomo ;)

[Hoodless]

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[Jedburgh]

Because he's a jew, and he wants to feel the pride to serve in a IDF unit ...so easy to understand..
Translation: Because loyalty to a foreign nation comes before his loyalty to the United States.

Go enlist in the IDF and don't come back.

[El-Sefarad]

Translation: Because loyalty to a foreign nation comes before his loyalty to the United States.

Go enlist in the IDF and don't come back.

well...how many americans on earth? 300 millions around? how many jews on earth? ....20 miilions...?? maybe less! so excuse us if we prefer to defend the ONLY jewish state in the world!! thats just a question of priorities... and if some american/western people cant understand that..its tooooo bad, cause we REALLY dont give a F.... :bash:

to the others...thanks of your comprehension..

[shlomo]

Because he's a jew, and he wants to feel the pride to serve in a IDF unit ...so easy to understand..

Good luck shlomo ;)

toda achi this is exactly why i mean i love america but i want to feel the pride of serving in israel and maybe hope to move there one day...
and yes i am gonna go through the mahal program but it sucks that i turn 18 in nov so im gonna have to wait untill the end of 2006 to enlist... also what other requirments are there to get a perfect score... im taking this real serious and when i do have to take the fitness test im aiming for a perfect score!

[alon]

toda achi this is exactly why i mean i love america but i want to feel the pride of serving in israel and maybe hope to move there one day...
and yes i am gonna go through the mahal program but it sucks that i turn 18 in nov so im gonna have to wait untill the end of 2006 to enlist... also what other requirments are there to get a perfect score... im taking this real serious and when i do have to take the fitness test im aiming for a perfect score!


Around the beginning of basic training you will receive a physical fitness test which consists of push-ups (15%, max 75), sit-ups (15%, max 86), and a 2km run (70%, max 6:48). If you perform at or better than the max score in each category, you will receive a 100. You need either a 65 or a 70 overall to pass but the better you do, the better your chances for making it into squad leaders' course and the more respect you get from your commanders.

[shlomo]

Around the beginning of basic training you will receive a physical fitness test which consists of push-ups (15%, max 75), sit-ups (15%, max 86), and a 2km run (70%, max 6:48). If you perform at or better than the max score in each category, you will receive a 100. You need either a 65 or a 70 overall to pass but the better you do, the better your chances for making it into squad leaders' course and the more respect you get from your commanders.
ohh so basically if i do outstanding in the fitness tests i most liekly will be in a combat unit?

[S'13]

ohh so basically if i do outstanding in the fitness tests i most liekly will be in a combat unit?

You don't have to be outstanding in order to be in a combat unit. As long as you are physicaly capable (no significant health problems) you can get into infantry.
The army helps those who are less fit build fitness, of course the more fit you are when going into the army, the better it is for you.

However their's no doubt that you have to be a fit and mentaly strong person in order to try and get into one of the SF units.

[shlomo]

You don't have to be outstanding in order to be in a combat unit. As long as you are physicaly capable (no significant health problems) you can get into infantry.
The army helps those who are less fit build fitness, of course the more fit you are when going into the army, the better it is for you.

However their's no doubt that you have to be a fit and mentaly strong person in order to try and get into one of the SF units.
yes i understand im building up my strength in all areas , however im going through mahal program and i really hope i can get to a combat unit preferablly nahal and givaty :) i know its gonna take tons of work but this is what im about

[UkrainianAmerican]

Get off his balls guys. THere is no draft in the United States at the moment. As such he is under NO obligation to join US Armed FOrces. HIm joining the military of an ally when his country is NOT calling on him is ok both in terms of legal terms as well as in ethical terms. What about Brits who join US PMCs? ANd their reasons are more 'materialistic' then shlomos.

[shlomo]

Get off his balls guys. THere is no draft in the United States at the moment. As such he is under NO obligation to join US Armed FOrces. HIm joining the military of an ally when his country is NOT calling on him is ok both in terms of legal terms as well as in ethical terms. What about Brits who join US PMCs? ANd their reasons are more 'materialistic' then shlomos.
Thank You sir

[S'13]

yes i understand im building up my strength in all areas , however im going through mahal program and i really hope i can get to a combat unit preferablly nahal and givaty :) i know its gonna take tons of work but this is what im about

I'm sure you won't have any problems getting what you want.

Bhazlacha Achi!

[shlomo]

I'm sure you won't have any problems getting what you want.

Bhazlacha Achi!
toda ach sheliii
i really hope everything works out

[UkrainianAmerican]

WHen I was in Israel in a mall american NAHAL dude came up to us and we had like a 20 min discussion about his military service. He loves it.

[shlomo]

WHen I was in Israel in a mall american NAHAL dude came up to us and we had like a 20 min discussion about his military service. He loves it.
really thats great bro i hope that`ll be me

[cbreedon]

But hey, the dude lives in Brooklyn, so why go to the IDF? If he's an American citizen he ought to knock off the malarkey and join our/his nation's armed forces and serve alongside his fellow citizens--specially those who are risking their lives everyday for him--not join some other countries forces (unless you go to the FFL, and I respect that choice 100%).



Ensign....

Not here to start a flame war, just curious as to why you have no issue joining the FFL but you do if he joins the IDF.

Why the difference?

[Limeyfellow]

Ensign....

Not here to start a flame war, just curious as to why you have no issue joining the FFL but you do if he joins the IDF.

Why the difference?

I guess some people just can't get over the massacre of the USS Liberty, or the hundreds of spying incidents and the selling off secret US technology to China and so on. The usual things.

[Jedburgh]

well...how many americans on earth? 300 millions around? how many jews on earth? ....20 miilions...?? maybe less! so excuse us if we prefer to defend the ONLY jewish state in the world!! thats just a question of priorities... and if some american/western people cant understand that..its tooooo bad, cause we REALLY dont give a F.... :bash:
Not priorities. Loyalties. And that semantic difference means a helluva lot.

...the hundreds of spying incidents and the selling off secret US technology to China and so on. The usual things.
Other than the high profile cases, there have been LOTS of lower-level incidents where the serving military member was simply NJP'd and chaptered relatively quietly.

You're either an American or you're not. In my personal biased opinion if your heart lies elsewhere, then send your body over to keep it company and don't come back. Split loyalties mean a person who can not be trusted. Period.

[UkrainianAmerican]

So your issue is with hyphenated americans as a whole then? No its not, you just said you are fine with FFL. As for spying incidents and other 'disagreemnts'... you brought in France into it. Not saying anything wrong with them, but I think it is reasonable to agree that Israel is generally thought of as a 'closer' ally. There is nothing disloyal, unless there are hostilities between America and Israel. IF there were such hostilities then you could stunt all you want. I dont see you stunting about hyphenated americans of Irish descent in boston sending money to IRA in the 70s who WERE fighting our ALLIES and(as opposed to donting them to Veteran associations in the US) What about Puerto Ricans sporting Puerto Rican flags? Do I need to keep going, or are you gonna shut the f*ck up because you are mature enough to realize that your argument has more holes in it then USS liberty (State Department removed blame from Israel the issue is finished, just like US military ACCIDENTLY killing some Brits in FF)

[cbreedon]

I guess some people just can't get over the massacre of the USS Liberty, or the hundreds of spying incidents and the selling off secret US technology to China and so on. The usual things.

How is the FFL better?


Come on guys let's keep this civilised......

[alon]

Shlomo,

To be eligible for a combat unit in the Nahal brigade all you need is a minimum health profile of 82, 97 being the highest.

If your dreams are to fight in the West bank and do secret missions, You need to nag and let them know you are interested in joining a Sayeret and serving longer than the 14 months of Nahal..

With Nahal you will finish your training and spend a couple months doing guard duty and then go home. They do not want to see Americans get hurt, It kils morale..

All the guys I've talked to that did mahal ended up sitting and doing guard duty for there service. Which is also respectable, but if you want to be in a sayeret do good on your physical tests and EXCEL in your gibush..

Heres some info my brother has to give "(he did mahal, he didnt like it)


Infantry sayerot:

3/4 day gibush...

Each soldier is assigned an EPHOD (combat vest), knee pads, a spade, and a WW1 backpak. My advice to everyone who does it is to take some scotch tape - known as EZOR-LEER-BAND in israel. Every combat unit will come across it as it is the major susbtance israeli soldiers use to upgrade and personalise their gear. Unlike the US soldiers who get their gear all tailor made for them, the israelis attached strings and tape to all their stuff making it more combat ready - a phenomena you wont understand until you get there. The verb in hebrew to upgrade your equipment in such a manner is referred to as LE-SHAF-TZER. I say this because very often the straps of the backpack will fall off and you will spend the whole gibush carrying in your arms 15kg of sand whereas usually its on the back. This can make the difference between PASS and FAIL.
Anyway essentially youre divided into different groups of 12 each of you have a number on your hat. Each group is assigned 3/4 ex-unit soldiers who make you do all the tasks and grade you. They treat you like **** (lots of screaming) and tease you by drinking water beside you at a time when youre sooo dehydrated you can taste urine in your throat! They will tell you run short distances of 100m over and over again. Up the hill and down, up the hill and down over and over again essentially realising the MYTH of SYSYPHUS. They will make you crawl on the hard rocky floor of the desert (brusing you and cutting you up), they will make you hang from monkey bars allowing just 2 people from the group to be off the bars at any one time. They will make you do marches and hard walks at night and will do all sorts of small excercises along with stretcher runs. You wont get more than 3 hours sleep. You will have to build tents (showing your teamwork) and have to guard the tent (trying desperately not to close your eyes and dose off - caffeine pills would really help because the gibbush is really like a blur). There are also mental excercises such as being creative with a pile of garbage, hiding using nature as a camouflage and then they give you scenarios e.g. hostage rescue and house raids and want to see how you would tackle the obstacle.
The important thing of the gibush is not YOUR FITNESS. Its all in the mind - you will see tiny people finish it and get in. Its all about teamwork and showing that youre a player and help out. Whether you come first or not is completely irrelevant. They might also ask you to tell them which guys in the team you think should be chucked out etc etc. At the same time dont over do it - because they know the tricks. This is what makes the gibush so hard for foreigners - the ability to gel quickly in a matter of seconds (without language) with a group of israelis that all look the same (in green uniform with a numbered cap). Its also a training of the mind not to think about when its going to finish otherwise you will break. Everytime they make you do the same thing again, treat it as a new challenge! many people fail because they dont know how long its going to go on for (i.e. any one particular activity). One trick is: after the first 8 hours things get much easier and relaxed - try hold it until then!

After the gibush there is a big feast and everybody goes home. On your return on sunday morning they will tell everyone - either REGULARS, PALCHAN, OREV or PALSAR (sayeret).

Commando (shayetet, matkal, shaldag): 5 days approx

First you need to be accepted into YOM SAYEROT. This is a place with about 300 israelis. You are given many different physical and mental tests - pushups, pull ups, sit ups, 2km runs etc and then IQ tests. From here they divide the top people into: PILOTS, NAVAL CAPTAINS, SHAYETET, MATKAL and SHALDAG. Although they decide- they take into account your preference.
On your acceptance...you are sent to the corresponding gibush. The commando gibushim are very hard. I know much more about shayetet than the rest but they are pretty similar to the infantry gibushim except with shayetet there is a lot of swimming in the sea for hundreds of meters, putting guns together blindfolded, blindfolded underwater, marches in the water etc etc.
Even if you pass - it means JACK ****!
Entry to the unit comes after BASIC and ADVANCED INFANTRY TRAINING usually done with another brigade. Shayetet used to be with nahal but are now with golani, shaldag is with nahal, 669 is with givaty, matkal is with tzanchanim. - once you enter the unit you start what is known as TIRONUT YECHIDA or in shayetet it is called the MECHIN. Literally meaning UNIT BASIC TRAINING or PREPARATION. from about 80 guys - 30 will survive. It is 3 months of hell and i mean it. They leave you alone on the beach at nite sleeping half on sand and half in the water, they freeze you in a frozen plunge pool, punishments include stripping all clothes..running into the sea completely and getting changed again in under 3 minutes...or at night they make you run into the plunge pool and just as your dying of hypothermia - they make you do 40 monkey bars and sprint back to your bed in 2.5 minutes. They make you hang from the sharp metal cages of the changing room doors, climb 6m ropes (with hands only)before every meal. they make you SHAFT-ZER (upgrade) everything - there is a saying THEY MAKE YOU SEW YOUR ********S to BODY hehe. You will spend hours sewing and creating new upgrades. You will have long long long marches on PURE SAND. From atlit to TEL AVIV or to HADERA etc. There are at least 2 set physical activities of the day: a swim every morning and a run every afternoon in gear (6km approx on the sand). The swim is supposed to be 500m but everytime you dont make it on time, you have to do it again and again (usually becomes 1.5km) in the pool or sea. They will make you jump off one pier swim to the next, climb up the rock, do pushups, jump back down and so the cycle repeats. If you dont like the water - you will not make it! They have weeks where you cant eat chocolate or sugary things. They will do 30km march, put in 1.5hrs of KRAV MAGA FITNESS and then continue another 15km. As you can see, i can go on and on!
Not only can you be chucked out by them but in all sayerots there are SOCIO-METRI exams in which you rate your team. The bottom few are voted out - so there is an element of social testing. Soldiers a few months before graduating to become a warrior are known to be chucked out by these exams.
If you make it this far...you will go on to do 3 months infantry training taught by the very best SAYERET GOLANI infrantry instructors and each soldier will receive his speciality. Jump school is next and then there is diving (for 3 months), counter-terror and more stuff. Throughout the whole training you will be doing marches - culminating in an 80km march with 40kg on your back in pure sand! There are also many different assault courses in full frogman gear. If you are in the diver group obviously your diving skills will be far more advanced than the assualt group who do shallow diving.

[Snoshi]

Is there a big chanse to serve as a proffesional soldier in amrour brigade?

[Kaplanr]

Too much information here that doesn't need to be here.

[ENSIGN FOREVER]

Ensign....

Not here to start a flame war, just curious as to why you have no issue joining the FFL but you do if he joins the IDF.

Why the difference?

While the FFL is obidient to the mandates of the French government, it demands from its members complete loyalty to the FFL itself. It still maintains its "we're strictly pros" mentality. The FFL has made a niche for itself as an military unit were citizenship, patriotism, ethnicity, religion or political beliefs are forcibly dissected out from the ranks. That's neither the case for either the IDF or the US Armed Forces, where most if not all of those attributes are an integral part of its beliefs.

p.s. Free advice: Serve with the IDF and you can say goodbye to any future hopes of obtaining a TS clearance over here.....you become a sort of "security risk", if you know what I mean <wink><wink>!!

[Kaplanr]

p.s. Free advice: Serve with the IDF and you can say goodbye to any future hopes of obtaining a TS clearance over here.....you become a sort of "security risk", if you know what I mean <wink><wink>!!

Same is true if you have ****ty credit, at least insofar as federal employment goes. Your logic is too black and white while most of life is grey. Who are you to ****ounce judgement on other's loyalty and motivations? Let's see, the Walkers didn't have dual loyalties to bring them down. It's the same logic that made volunteers in the Lincoln brigades suspects and mostly ineligible for the US military service in WWII, yet they're the ones who identified facism and nazism as the imminent danger. So I guess my uncle was suspect too for jumping the border and joining the RCAF in 1940?

[ENSIGN FOREVER]

Same is true if you have ****ty credit, at least insofar as federal employment goes. Your logic is too black and white while most of life is grey. Who are you to ****ounce judgement on other's loyalty and motivations? Let's see, the Walkers didn't have dual loyalties to bring them down. It's the same logic that made volunteers in the Lincoln brigades suspects and mostly ineligible for the US military service in WWII, yet they're the ones who identified facism and nazism as the imminent danger. So I guess my uncle was suspect too for jumping the border and joining the RCAF in 1940?

Let me show you things in Black/White:

#1 Credit problems can be cured.

#2 Volunteers in the Spanish Civil War's International Brigades (and it was the Lincoln "BATALLION" first, then "BRIGADE", then back to "BATALLION) did serve in the US during WW2. So as to educate yourself, I highly recommend you read Milton Wolff's autobiographical novels. He was the last commander of the Lincoln Batallion and served honorably in WW2.

#3 Lastly, so as to entertain your idiotic comment as to judgment on loyalty's and motivations, why don't you take it up with the U.S. Government. They're the ones who judge your loyalty and motivation, and decide whether or not you're trustworthy.
-Serve in a foreign force, no TS.
-Have dual citizenship, you'll be asked to resign the other one, if you fail then no TS
-If you're spouse is a foreign citizen, usually (but not everytime) the result is: NO TS.
-AND.....if it's the CIA you want to work for then even strong ties to foreign nations are sometimes used as sufficient grounds for denial of TS clearance (see the case of Adam Ciralsky)

Does it make sense? Not to me, but guess what? For some reason it makes sense to the security specialists, and that's who decides whether or not you get a TS.

[shlomo]

why is it such a problem to join the IDF i do want to come back to ny and be a police officer

[ENSIGN FOREVER]

why is it such a problem to join the IDF i do want to come back to ny and be a police officer

....just don't try to become an FBI agent in the Counter-Intelligence Division, 'cause you may be in for a dissapointment.

[Moledet]

why is it such a problem to join the IDF i do want to come back to ny and be a police officer
He is just pissed that Jews prefer to serve in the IDF.
I know that not too long ago (after 9/11) the FBI searched extensively for Jewish Arabic speakers in Israel. So all this bull**** of serving in the IDF and being a citizen of Israel will hurt your possibilities in the US in the future is nonsense.

BTW, Snoshi, the armored brigade doesn't realy have an elite unit, the Hummers unit is kinda elite because they also do intel. gathering operations. But if you join any armored brigade you most likely will see a battle or two because Merkava 3/4s are sent into the territories.

[ed316]

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[ENSIGN FOREVER]

He is just pissed that Jews prefer to serve in the IDF.
I know that not too long ago (after 9/11) the FBI searched extensively for Jewish Arabic speakers in Israel. So all this bull**** of serving in the IDF and being a citizen of Israel will hurt your possibilities in the US in the future is nonsense.

BTW, Snoshi, the armored brigade doesn't realy have an elite unit, the Hummers unit is kinda elite because they also do intel. gathering operations. But if you join any armored brigade you most likely will see a battle or two because Merkava 3/4s are sent into the territories.

-Jews serve in the USN today, and some have risen to very sensitive positions such as head of DIA, NIS, and the Chief of Naval Operation (the late Admiral Boorda was Jewish). Saying that "Jews prefer to serve in the IDF" vs the US is promoting the stereotypes of hate-mongers. Moron!

-The denial of TS for foreign service and dual-citizenship is alive and well. Just try it.

[Moledet]

-Jews serve in the USN today, and some have risen to very sensitive positions such as head of DIA, NIS, and the Chief of Naval Operation (the late Admiral Boorda was Jewish). Saying that "Jews prefer to serve in the IDF" vs the US is promoting the stereotypes of hate-mongers. Moron!

-The denial of TS for foreign service and dual-citizenship is alive and well. Just try it.
I didn't say that they don't serve in the American military, but that most prefer to serve in the IDF. I think that most of the Jews that join the US military do it because they want a military career and that's their only way to get one and live in the US.
There was a thread here about an Israeli-American that served in Golani in the IDF (Lebanon and Gaza strip) and he joined the US military and is now serving in Iraq. If you can do that I can't see why you can't do everything else.

[Snoshi]

He is just pissed that Jews prefer to serve in the IDF.
I know that not too long ago (after 9/11) the FBI searched extensively for Jewish Arabic speakers in Israel. So all this bull**** of serving in the IDF and being a citizen of Israel will hurt your possibilities in the US in the future is nonsense.

BTW, Snoshi, the armored brigade doesn't realy have an elite unit, the Hummers unit is kinda elite because they also do intel. gathering operations. But if you join any armored brigade you most likely will see a battle or two because Merkava 3/4s are sent into the territories.

Thanks for the answer!

[S'13]

BTW, Snoshi, the armored brigade doesn't realy have an elite unit, the Hummers unit is kinda elite because they also do intel.

Not true... the armored corps does have elite units that require you to volunteer and pass a Gibush in order to join.

[Moledet]

Not true... the armored brigade does have elite units that require you to volunteer and pass a Gibush in order to join.
Hummers unit takes a gibush to join. You need to ask for a gibush after you join the armored corps.

[S'13]

Hummers unit takes a gibush to join. You need to ask for a gibush after you join the armored corps.

Are you talking about Palsar Sherion? If so then yes, they are considerd an elite unit.

[Moledet]

Are you talking about Palsar Sherion? If so then yes, they are considerd an elite unit.
Since their job is gathering intel. I guess it's PALSAR.

[S'13]

Since their job is gathering intel. I guess it's PALSAR.

That's how the army refers to them...

[Moledet]

That's how the army refers to them...
Wanna come to Amona?

[UkrainianAmerican]

Ensign, did shlomo MENTION anything about working in counter intelligence? FBI? No? Maybe its time to just shut the f*ck up and move on to some other thread were you wont look as big of a dip**** as you look here.

[ENSIGN FOREVER]

Ensign, did shlomo MENTION anything about working in counter intelligence? FBI? No? Maybe its time to just shut the f*ck up and move on to some other thread were you wont look as big of a dip**** as you look here.

Ukranian-NYC POS....no problem. :bash:

Best wishes Shlomo.woot

[shlomo]

Thank You

just one last question if i do go and join the IDF will i have a problem joining the NYPD when i come back ?

[UkrainianAmerican]

Thank You

just one last question if i do go and join the IDF will i have a problem joining the NYPD when i come back ?
Nope absolutely unrelated. Also, it is doubtful you are gonna hae problems with FBI either. YOu are most likely gonna be in NAHAL not MOSSAD, so you are not really that much of a potential 'security risk' to begin with.

[Kaplanr]

I didn't say that they don't serve in the American military, but that most prefer to serve in the IDF.

Barring conscription (compulsory service) most US Jews don't want to do either. Other than that, you're correct.

What I don't understand is why you'd serve in the IDF, but not stay in Israel, and as is the case with most Mahal people, only marginally integrate into Israeli society.

[Jedburgh]

Nope absolutely unrelated. Also, it is doubtful you are gonna hae problems with FBI either. YOu are most likely gonna be in NAHAL not MOSSAD, so you are not really that much of a potential 'security risk' to begin with.
All FBI SA positions require a full scope BI for a TS clearance. As stated earlier in the thread, service in a foreign military will put that out of reach.

[UkrainianAmerican]

All FBI SA positions require a full scope BI for a TS clearance. As stated earlier in the thread, service in a foreign military will put that out of reach.
QUote me where in particular it says that. ALso there are MANY exceptions regarding IDF. And as far as NYPD concerned all the better, for military experience in Israel is better then just a criminal justice degre from John Jays