Brady Campaign and the "cop killer gun"

[thunderw]

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, a "non-partisan" group (you decide for yourself whether it is non-partisan), has on their website a page dedicated to ridding the streets of what they call the "cop killer gun", the FNH 5.7. Along with its armor piercing capability and 20 round magazine, they argue that it should be banned from ownership by citizens and only stay in the hands of the police. They also compare the round to those of the Ak-47, M-16 and SKS. The full video also states that 3 magazines come with the gun and therefore a civilian can quickly fire off 60 (count 'em), 60 rounds of armor piercing rounds in rapid succession.

Main website: http://www.handguncontrol.org/
"Cop killer gun" page: http://www.bradycampaign.org/ler/fnh/

http://www.theothersideofkim.com/images/uploads/FN_FiveSeven01.jpg

What say you? Why should or why shouldn't this weapon be allowed in the hands of citizens? (I have already made up my mind, just want to see what responses we get.) How many crimes have been commited with this weapon?

Will

Edit: added picture

[FallenAngel]

"Cop-killer". Yeah. The gun hasnt killed any peace officer in this country (or any country iirc). Getting a bit ahead of themselves are they?

[Zvucni Efekti]

The only types of 5.7x28mm ammunition availible to the public are non-armored piercing. It seems strange to me that the anti-gun idiots and liberal press seem to ignore this fact any time the "cop killer" family of ammunition and weapons is mentioned. :bash:

Lies and propaganda.

[JoaMei]

The only types of 5.7x28mm ammunition availible to the public are non-armored piercing. It seems strange to me that the anti-gun idiots and liberal press seem to ignore this fact any time the "cop killer" family of ammunition and weapons is mentioned. :bash:

Lies and propaganda.

That is actually wrong, even the hollowpoints penetrate normal bullet proof Vests because of their high veloicity! Shown by tests.

But its not very likely this gun will be widespreadly used by criminals or is a Cop killer more than others.

[ogukuo72]

It's a cop-killer gun because if a law enforcement officer carries what is in fact a 0.22 weapon as his primary side-arm, he might very well become a statistics.

[Will Clark]

It's a cop-killer gun because if a law enforcement officer carries what is in fact a 0.22 weapon as his primary side-arm, he might very well become a statistics.

This is one mean round we're talking about here. The AP stuff molests body armor, the stuff civilians can get still can do some damage...but what criminal is gonna go buy a $900 pistol, and whats the going rate on the ammo. 50 cents a round or something similar? This is not a cheap gun in any way shape or form.

[WarriorMonk]

This is one mean round we're talking about here. The AP stuff molests body armor, the stuff civilians can get still can do some damage...but what criminal is gonna go buy a $900 pistol, and whats the going rate on the ammo. 50 cents a round or something similar? This is not a cheap gun in any way shape or form.

hmmm...drug pushers...

let's see a kingpin gets some huge-ass shipment of cocaine and he gets like what 20 grand in return or more, and that's enough money to outfit some of his thugs with these weapons...urg.

[ogukuo72]

The round is actually not much more powerful than a 0.22 Magnum. Its only trick is that it is a splitzer shaped bullet that allows it to pierce soft armor.

Some attribute to it almost rifle-like power by claiming that it would fragment explosively like the 55gr M193 5.56mm round, but this is not the case. When fired from a P90, it does not have sufficient velocity to do this. With a Five-SeveN this would be even more unlikely. It merely thumbles into a more stable butt-first position in a dense medium like the human body.

For more info, refer to this website:
http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/cmp.html

The 9mm 115gr bullet actually has more energy and momentum than the 5.7mm round. And if soft armor piercing capability is required, a good Armor Piercing 9mm round, like the Swedish 106gr M39B round (in existence since the 1950's) can be used. This round was supposed to be able to penetrate 65 layers of kevlar (a typical Level IIIA has only about 30+ layers). The Russian 65-gr 7N31 9mmx19 round is a newer round with even better penetrative abilities given its pointed tip.

[Geezah]

There was a post on this about 7-8mths ago, in that post there was a link to the BATFE where they stated that the Armour Peircing ammo was not available to the public, completely shooting down the bs the Brady Bunch and their cronies tried pushing. Also, there was a link supplied for video of a very scientific experiement(yeah right) carried out by two off duty LEOs in a field, shooting into standard body armour that was drapped over a bail of hay. The Brady Bunch are up to their old tricks of fear mongering. To be honest the only reason I'm not interested in this firearm is because the ammo if so darn expensive and not that widely available yet, upon saying that, I read that Wolf may be making this caliber at some point.

[thunderw]

Here's my thinking. First of all, when was the last time (or the first time) you ever heard of a crime being committed with this weapon? Probably never. Also, this firearm is rather expensive (I heard $900) for limited capability. It has questionable stopping power, especially after punching through body armor, the ammunition is expensive, magazines are difficult to get, and extra parts are hard to find. I am very pro-gun and see no problem with letting this firearm into the hands of civilians. As can be seen in the following link, police officers and government itself cannot be completely trusted, they are human too.
Decide for yourself: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10788476/

I agree that the Brady Campaign site is more into fear mongering than actual truth.

[Geezah]

The mags aren't that hard to come by, hell, with the release of the PS90 I'm sure ammo will be much more readily available, but at the end of the day, it doesn't really interest me, not anymore, it did when I first heard about it and I was going to get one but chose another AR instead.

[HK in AK]

All anti-gun groups are a joke! It is like me being angry at General Motors for selling SUVs that end up being used in DWI accidents that kill people. Maybe we should boycot all minivans after that lady killed all the people on the interstate in New York or New Jersey.

Stupidity at work.....I guess is Jim Brady had been run over by an automobile during the assassination attempt on Pres Reagan maybe the Brady campaign would be trying to ban cars!

[SilentType]

Thank God he used 5.7x28mm SS195 or SS197. If he had used .45 ACP and simply carried an extra magazine the body count might be much higher. As I understand it many of the wounded were still able to even drive themselves to the hospital.

The Five-Seven pistol is also very expensive. About $900 at the local shop here and it's a full size pistol so not very easy to conceal. I believe the Major selected it more for it's ease in shooting similar to a .22 caliber pistol's ease in shooting than anything else.

Regardless the misuse of a firearm by a Terrorist who as a soldier had access to firearms at other times that were more deadly to justify a Draconian ban on all 320,000,000 U.S. citizens is absurd.

The Brady Campaign that consists of highly paid lobbyists with a very small membership never misses an opportunity to exploit tragedy to justify to their donors their existence. A relic of the 90's the Brady Campaign should vanish as the popularity of neon "day glow" shirts did.

[armchairpundit]

You necroed a 3+ year old thread just to make a bad car analogy?

[Chiptox]

You necroed a 3+ year old thread just to make a bad car analogy?
You're just jealous because you didn't think of it first.