Deputy Attempts to Execute Airman

[000]

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10788476/

In a loss for words!

[ed316]

Let's see what the investigation reveal. That's good he wasn't killed

[Macs.]

What the investigations reveal ?

I think the video speaks for itself, a shame that someone like that calls himself a cop.

[GothicSnake]

An investigation into what is obviously a police officer shooting an unarmed, cooperative man, a serviceman no less, 3 times in cold blood. What a joke. And what's more if I heard right he wasn't even the driver! He was clearly being cooperative and not hostile in any way. Watch this pig get off scott-free, too. >(

[ed316]

What the investigations reveal ?

I think the video speaks for itself, a shame that someone like that calls himself a cop.

We see a video there is more to it then that. I not trying to defend the cop just making sure that all the facts. To me it looks like the cop was jumpy

[Kersh]

the vid is some bull****, from what it looks like the deputy made a huge mistake. That really pissed me off. The court is on this guys side....military, just got back from Iraq, this video. Can't wait to see the findings of the investigation.

[Miles.]

We see a video there is more to it then that. I not trying to defend the cop just making sure that all the facts. To me it looks like the cop was jumpy

Or the cop was a complete imbecile...

[ed316]

Or the cop was a complete imbecile...

That might be it too

[CheekyQuim]

I didn't watch the video because I didn't want to install MSN 6 just to watch it but I think it is safe for me to say that if you don't want to get beat or shot by a police officer/sheriff, don't take one on a 100 m.p.h. chase. If that douche bag airman had collided with one of my loved ones, I would have shot him myself - in the head.

[ed316]

I didn't watch the video because I didn't want to install MSN 6 just to watch it but I think it is safe for me to say that if you don't want to get beat or shot by a police officer/sheriff, don't take one on a 100 m.p.h. chase. If that douche bag airman had collided with one of my loved ones, I would have shot him myself - in the head.

He was a passenger not the driver

[Macs.]

I didn't watch the video because I didn't want to install MSN 6 just to watch it but I think it is safe for me to say that if you don't want to get beat or shot by a police officer/sheriff, don't take one on a 100 m.p.h. chase. If that douche bag airman had collided with one of my loved ones, I would have shot him myself - in the head.

Watch the video, thats not what its about.

And all that stuff aside, its the Judge/Jury who rules out the punish, and not the cop on the street.

The Cop tells him to stand up, he says "I am standing up now", and then suddenly the cop starts shooting. He wasn't armed or anything...

[Natemo]

I didn't watch the video because I didn't want to install MSN 6 just to watch it but I think it is safe for me to say that if you don't want to get beat or shot by a police officer/sheriff, don't take one on a 100 m.p.h. chase. If that douche bag airman had collided with one of my loved ones, I would have shot him myself - in the head.


LOL good call.... but maybe the cop should not have shot him also...um maybe the driver should be shot then :)

[ed316]

Watch the video, thats not what its about.

And all that stuff aside, its the Judge/Jury who rules out the punish, and not the cop on the street.

The Cop tells him to stand up, he says "I am standing up now", and then suddenly the cop starts shooting. He wasn't armed or anything...

Macs, where did you learn english?

[Macs.]

I am sorry, thats my school english.

[ed316]

I am sorry, thats my school english.

If I didn't know that you were ze German, I would of thought you some American kid.

[Alex-L]

I dont see the video.

[brad 1]

what the hell, as if once wasnt enough he shot him 3 times,it ALMOST makes me glad that i live in a country where only a small amount of cops are armed, what a MUPPET.

[Uncle Sam]

We need police to police the police...That's a lot of police...Or would it be policeses, or poleece?

[brad 1]

not sure man but its still too many police for me

[woofer]

cannot see link for video

[askDNA]

cannot see link for video

x2.................

[toki]

If I didn't know that you were ze German, I would of thought you some American kid.
and what was so strange about the english in his post?

[ed316]

and what was so strange about the english in his post?

Nothing. Like I said if I din't know he was German i would of thought he was American. You too

[saigonsmuggler]

We need police to police the police...That's a lot of police...Or would it be policeses, or poleece?
Err.. would that be called Internal Affairs?

If this had happened in LA, the passenger would have been armed... by the police! :(

[ZaakM433]

Repost of my daily photos post:

http://www.local6.com/video/6652039/detail.html

video from 6 - contains actual footage (from TV broadcast) - use IE

The Airman shot has no charges against him and has not been acused of any wrong doing.



I didn't watch the video because I didn't want to install MSN 6 just to watch it but I think it is safe for me to say that if you don't want to get beat or shot by a police officer/sheriff, don't take one on a 100 m.p.h. chase. If that douche bag airman had collided with one of my loved ones, I would have shot him myself - in the head.

ATLEAST RTFA before you call someone who was just wronged a "douche bag."

[remo williams]

Here's what should happen.He should be brought to iraq and made to drive a gas truck with The American flag painted on the tank,prefably in a hot area.His family should be made to watch and then beaten for spawning such a waste of skin upon the world

[liljoshwright]

Most cops are no better than gang bangers ! All cops are is legal gnag back by somehting called " THE JUSTICE SYSTEM ! " Justice yeah right !!

The airman is set for life !! The " Justice System " is on his side on this one !! .

I have seen the video tape !! I also live in Cali, so I now the cops around here. I work in WATTS, COMPTON, South Central all the fun areas you area baout on the news.

Trust me COPS ARE NO BETTER THAN GANG BANGERS !! I have a friend in the LAPD, he said " That cop should go home & ate his gun ! "

Theres a war on the streets 24/7 ! Cops VS the Average normal everday person just trying to get through the day.

The sad thing ....that airman went off to war defend his country & got shot back home in the states, after going through hell. That's a good thing to put down on your resume, " HI MY NAME IS OFFICER DUMB **** & I SHOT UNARMED MAN, WHO WAS JUST DOING WHAT HE WAS TOLD. ON TOP OF THAT HE IS A VET ! "

[sir-chimp]

Most cops are no better than gang bangers ! All cops are is legal gnag back by somehting called " THE JUSTICE SYSTEM ! " Justice yeah right !!

The airman is set for life !! The " Justice System " is on his side on this one !! .

I have seen the video tape !! I also live in Cali, so I now the cops around here. I work in WATTS, COMPTON, South Central all the fun areas you area baout on the news.

Trust me COPS ARE NO BETTER THAN GANG BANGERS !! I have a friend in the LAPD, he said " That cop should go home & ate his gun ! "

Theres a war on the streets 24/7 ! Cops VS the Average normal everday person just trying to get through the day.

The sad thing ....that airman went off to war defend his country & got shot back home in the states, after going through hell. That's a good thing to put down on your resume, " HI MY NAME IS OFFICER DUMB **** & I SHOT UNARMED MAN, WHO WAS JUST DOING WHAT HE WAS TOLD. ON TOP OF THAT HE IS A VET ! "


lol .

[Chuckie]

Most cops are no better than gang bangers ! All cops are is legal gnag back by somehting called " THE JUSTICE SYSTEM ! " Justice yeah right !!

The airman is set for life !! The " Justice System " is on his side on this one !! .

I have seen the video tape !! I also live in Cali, so I now the cops around here. I work in WATTS, COMPTON, South Central all the fun areas you area baout on the news.

Trust me COPS ARE NO BETTER THAN GANG BANGERS !! I have a friend in the LAPD, he said " That cop should go home & ate his gun ! "

Theres a war on the streets 24/7 ! Cops VS the Average normal everday person just trying to get through the day.

The sad thing ....that airman went off to war defend his country & got shot back home in the states, after going through hell. That's a good thing to put down on your resume, " HI MY NAME IS OFFICER DUMB **** & I SHOT UNARMED MAN, WHO WAS JUST DOING WHAT HE WAS TOLD. ON TOP OF THAT HE IS A VET ! "

You're an idiot! Thankfully you've only posted 3 times before this.

[Apathy]

Most cops are no better than gang bangers ! All cops are is legal gnag back by somehting called " THE JUSTICE SYSTEM ! " Justice yeah right !!

The airman is set for life !! The " Justice System " is on his side on this one !! .

I have seen the video tape !! I also live in Cali, so I now the cops around here. I work in WATTS, COMPTON, South Central all the fun areas you area baout on the news.

Trust me COPS ARE NO BETTER THAN GANG BANGERS !! I have a friend in the LAPD, he said " That cop should go home & ate his gun ! "

Theres a war on the streets 24/7 ! Cops VS the Average normal everday person just trying to get through the day.

The sad thing ....that airman went off to war defend his country & got shot back home in the states, after going through hell. That's a good thing to put down on your resume, " HI MY NAME IS OFFICER DUMB **** & I SHOT UNARMED MAN, WHO WAS JUST DOING WHAT HE WAS TOLD. ON TOP OF THAT HE IS A VET ! "

Your english is beautiful. Macs, you should take lessons from this guy.

[Chuckie]

Your english is beautiful. Macs, you should take lessons from this guy.

Mac's English is fine, this guy should take lessons from Macs.

[ThePunisher]

Holy **** I would be pissed. Yeah this airman is going to be a multimillionaire in about 6 months when the city settles out of court. I don't know if it's going to be worth it though since he was shot 3 times.
Possibly the first air force member to be shot since the beginning of the War on Terror, and when he got back in the states too? Ain't that a *****...

[AFJROTC55]

now this is just stupid, your're generalizing LE officers as people hating nazis, well, hate to break it to you but THEY"RE NOT, i think Andy Griffith there needs to get pistol whipped a couple of times, granted but dont go off on some long winded speal about how the "pigs" are just out to get everybody. thats bull crap. that cop was standing WAY WAY WAY to close to that airman to be effective, if he would've backed up another 8 or so feet, ill bet money that he wouldnt've shot. pulled the trigger

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Most cops are no better than gang bangers ! All cops are is legal gnag back by somehting called " THE JUSTICE SYSTEM ! " Justice yeah right !!

The airman is set for life !! The " Justice System " is on his side on this one !! .

I have seen the video tape !! I also live in Cali, so I now the cops around here. I work in WATTS, COMPTON, South Central all the fun areas you area baout on the news.

Trust me COPS ARE NO BETTER THAN GANG BANGERS !! I have a friend in the LAPD, he said " That cop should go home & ate his gun ! "

Theres a war on the streets 24/7 ! Cops VS the Average normal everday person just trying to get through the day.

The sad thing ....that airman went off to war defend his country & got shot back home in the states, after going through hell. That's a good thing to put down on your resume, " HI MY NAME IS OFFICER DUMB **** & I SHOT UNARMED MAN, WHO WAS JUST DOING WHAT HE WAS TOLD. ON TOP OF THAT HE IS A VET ! "

[usa320]

i saw the video, and it was ****ed up...

The airman is gonna get paid big time, and the cop is at the very least probably going to lose his job.

[melon]

Bad shooting, nothing more. Cops are just humans after all.

The officer will be fired, if the evidence is as clear as this video would seem to suggest.

Another issue, why was this USAF MP involved in a high speed pursuit?

[ZaakM433]

Bad shooting, nothing more. Cops are just humans after all.

The officer will be fired, if the evidence is as clear as this video would seem to suggest.

Another issue, why was this USAF MP involved in a high speed pursuit?

because he's a hispanic in chino? oh im a bad person... just joking...

I havent found any information about why he was a passenger in the vehicle. Probably wrong place wrong time.

[Chops]

Bad shooting, nothing more. Cops are just humans after all.


But officers are legally armed and held to a greater standard of care than Joe Q Civilian.

If what I saw in the video (and that's all we're working with here remember) occured on a patrol in Ramadi, I would have the soldier charged. As it stands, I believe this officer should face criminal manslaughter at the very least. Absolutely horrifying.

C

[remo williams]

But officers are legally armed and held to a greater standard of care than Joe Q Civilian.

If what I saw in the video (and that's all we're working with here remember) occured on a patrol in Ramadi, I would have the soldier charged. As it stands, I believe this officer should face criminal manslaughter at the very least. Absolutely horrifying.

C
He was a passenger .As to held to agreater standard eh?LOL THere was a recent shooting in Nyc about two or three datys ago.Basically an off duuty cop was in a white castle getting some eats while some well oiled up punks wre hasseling the staff.When he intervined they jumped him and eve though he fought back he got as good as he gave.(I.E he kinda got his ass handed to him since it was 3 on 1)He pulled his piece and had been on top of one of the suspects(with it in the appropriate spot,pointed at his head)when cheif wigam showed up and shot him.He's gonna lose his leg now because the cop was trigger happy, and by accounts didn't buy that he was a COP:bash:.Now this cop that got shot was hispanic,and the theory is that his beating may have caused injury to his ear drums so he couldn't hear the drop the weapon command.However witnesses in the resturant seemed to be aware that he was a police officer so what does that tell you?I've also heard that in milwaulkee there have been similar incidents not to mention the af mp shooting..Where I live ,the new state police are out of the academy seem skiddish as ever.My point being that despite the training you go through..I see a trend that more police officers would much rather shoot first...If seals and spec ops who's primary function it is to shoot first can be trained to use controlled violence and restraint,why do our police feel necessary to rack up kills?

[Bia]

lol .

Gang banger Cops...LOL

So Sir Chimp...
What set you wit dawg?
Cen ILL cripniznogz or Champagne Area Shizbloodz?

;)

[Scyth]

Most cops are no better than gang bangers ! All cops are is legal gnag back by somehting called " THE JUSTICE SYSTEM ! " Justice yeah right !!

The airman is set for life !! The " Justice System " is on his side on this one !! .

I have seen the video tape !! I also live in Cali, so I now the cops around here. I work in WATTS, COMPTON, South Central all the fun areas you area baout on the news.

Trust me COPS ARE NO BETTER THAN GANG BANGERS !! I have a friend in the LAPD, he said " That cop should go home & ate his gun ! "

Theres a war on the streets 24/7 ! Cops VS the Average normal everday person just trying to get through the day.

The sad thing ....that airman went off to war defend his country & got shot back home in the states, after going through hell. That's a good thing to put down on your resume, " HI MY NAME IS OFFICER DUMB **** & I SHOT UNARMED MAN, WHO WAS JUST DOING WHAT HE WAS TOLD. ON TOP OF THAT HE IS A VET ! "

Lol, someone pissed you off alright.

The video is scary. It's cold blooded execution. Nothing less.

[woofer]

Bad shooting, nothing more. Cops are just humans after all.

The officer will be fired, if the evidence is as clear as this video would seem to suggest.

Another issue, why was this USAF MP involved in a high speed pursuit?

x2 wait for the officers account maybe he's a vet too and is sick of facing **** everyday. Police Officers are working 99% of the time and training 1%, in the military I think that figuire can be reversed..I know ive done both jobs.

As for the court case it is better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.

http://www.officer.com/article/article.jsp?siteSection=2&id=27859

[rhino]

Most cops are no better than gang bangers ! All cops are is legal gnag back by somehting called " THE JUSTICE SYSTEM ! " Justice yeah right !!

The airman is set for life !! The " Justice System " is on his side on this one !! .

I have seen the video tape !! I also live in Cali, so I now the cops around here. I work in WATTS, COMPTON, South Central all the fun areas you area baout on the news.

Trust me COPS ARE NO BETTER THAN GANG BANGERS !! I have a friend in the LAPD, he said " That cop should go home & ate his gun ! "

Theres a war on the streets 24/7 ! Cops VS the Average normal everday person just trying to get through the day.

The sad thing ....that airman went off to war defend his country & got shot back home in the states, after going through hell. That's a good thing to put down on your resume, " HI MY NAME IS OFFICER DUMB **** & I SHOT UNARMED MAN, WHO WAS JUST DOING WHAT HE WAS TOLD. ON TOP OF THAT HE IS A VET ! "

so thats what happens when you put a kid on valium and then he runs out, hmmm, interesting

[Laconian]

From what I have heard about this incident, the airman is in good condition not dead, so the deputy did not try to, nor did he "execute" anyone. I have seen the video and it looks bad. It appears to an unjustified shooting.

The shooting will be investigated by the PD of the deputy, the DA's office and probably AF OSI. Any charges will come from them.

I would imagine that after 100 mph chase and felony take down that everyone's (including the deputy's) sympathetic nervous system was engaged, and this is where bad things can happen.

[Scyth]

From what I have heard about this incident, the airman is in good condition not dead, so the deputy did not try to, nor did he "execute" anyone.


Three bullets, two in the upper body. WTF?



I would imagine that after 100 mph chase and felony take down that everyone's (including the deputy's) sympathetic nervous system was engaged, and this is where bad things can happen.

There are care 100 mph chases everyday all over the world. Seldom do the drivers get shot point blank while on the ground.

[woofer]

From what I have heard about this incident, the airman is in good condition not dead, so the deputy did not try to, nor did he "execute" anyone. I have seen the video and it looks bad. It appears to an unjustified shooting.

The shooting will be investigated by the PD of the deputy, the DA's office and probably AF OSI. Any charges will come from them.

I would imagine that after 100 mph chase and felony take down that everyone's (including the deputy's) sympathetic nervous system was engaged, and this is where bad things can happen.


a poorly lit scene and adrenalin one wrong move could be mistaken for an attempt to draw a weapon. The airman shouldnt have been there. Just because he serves his country it doesnt make him a saint.

[woofer]

so thats what happens when you put a kid on valium and then he runs out, hmmm, interesting

The local beat officer must have told him off for using his skate board in the wrong place...or he's been watching too much of the shield.

[muede]

So where can THE VIDEO be seen?

[rhino]

The local beat officer must have told him off for using his skate board in the wrong place...or he's been watching too much of the shield.

most likely:) ,

The airman shouldnt have been there thats a really poor argument, it doesnt matter what he does for living, noone deservs to be shot like that, and considering his training I dont think he would have done anything to agrevate the cop


see woofers post for vid on page 3(?)
here:
http://www.officer.com/article/article.jsp?siteSection=2&id=27859

[woofer]

thats a link to an officer down page....


And you are right it doesnt matter what job you do....you shouldnt be involved in high speed Police Chases

[brad 1]

[quote=woofer]thats a link to an officer down page....


thats what i thought but didnt want to post for fear of looking like i missed something ,at least one of us has balls LOL :)

[rhino]

thats a link to an officer down page....


And you are right it doesnt matter what job you do....you shouldnt be involved in high speed Police Chases

I say pateto you say patato, was the corvett cloked at 100mph and then fallowed and stopped or was the driver intentionally tryed to avoid police?

[woofer]

I say pateto you say patato, was the corvett cloked at 100mph and then fallowed and stopped or was the driver intentionally tryed to avoid police?


The news article stated it was involved in a high speed chase...and I say chips not french fries

[rhino]

The news article stated it was involved in a high speed chase...and I say chips not french fries

a cop that clocked me doing 30 over was also chasing me for about 2km before I saw him trying to pull me over, and I didnt try to avoid him or anything

[woofer]

a cop that clocked me doing 30 over was also chasing me for about 2km before I saw him trying to pull me over, and I didnt try to avoid him or anything

yeah but this one crashed ...a bit of a differant scenario I think. Im sure when you were stopped the cop didnt have you on the floor with his gun out

[Will Clark]

And you are right it doesnt matter what job you do....you shouldnt be involved in high speed Police Chases

Great advice, next time I'm the PASSENGER in a high speed chase I'll be sure to tuck my elbows and jump ship so I don't have to worry about crooked or just plain confused officers putting holes in me.

[woofer]

Great advice, next time I'm the PASSENGER in a high speed chase I'll be sure to tuck my elbows and jump ship so I don't have to worry about crooked or just plain confused officers putting holes in me.


How often does that actually happen to people who do not know they are playing with fire...even if your in a car with a drunk driver

[Johnny_H02]

Most cops are no better than gang bangers ! All cops are is legal gnag back by somehting called " THE JUSTICE SYSTEM ! " Justice yeah right !!

The airman is set for life !! The " Justice System " is on his side on this one !! .

I have seen the video tape !! I also live in Cali, so I now the cops around here. I work in WATTS, COMPTON, South Central all the fun areas you area baout on the news.

Trust me COPS ARE NO BETTER THAN GANG BANGERS !! I have a friend in the LAPD, he said " That cop should go home & ate his gun ! "

Theres a war on the streets 24/7 ! Cops VS the Average normal everday person just trying to get through the day.

The sad thing ....that airman went off to war defend his country & got shot back home in the states, after going through hell. That's a good thing to put down on your resume, " HI MY NAME IS OFFICER DUMB **** & I SHOT UNARMED MAN, WHO WAS JUST DOING WHAT HE WAS TOLD. ON TOP OF THAT HE IS A VET ! "

Although you need to chill out a bit, I can agree to a certain extent, ive seen a few things from cops that have been shadey, I really still dont trust them, but I dont dislike them ethier, they do thier jobs and they have no reason to bump heads with me.

[woofer]

Although you need to chill out a bit, I can agree to a certain extent, ive seen a few things from cops that have been shadey, I really still dont trust them, but I dont dislike them ethier, they do thier jobs and they have no reason to bump heads with me.


Sometimes you need a Police officer to be a bit rough around the edges and willing to bump heads with people. All too often in the UKI officers back down and let the s***s have the upper hand on our estates.

[ZaakM433]

u people suck! lol ... asking for vid link:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1438643#post1438643

[sct1886]

From what I have heard about this incident, the airman is in good condition not dead, so the deputy did not try to, nor did he "execute" anyone. I have seen the video and it looks bad. It appears to an unjustified shooting.

The shooting will be investigated by the PD of the deputy, the DA's office and probably AF OSI. Any charges will come from them.

I would imagine that after 100 mph chase and felony take down that everyone's (including the deputy's) sympathetic nervous system was engaged, and this is where bad things can happen.
Nuts!! How many shots does it take before you are trying to kill someone?? Hell yes it was unjustified! This jacka$$ officer will do even more damage to an badly tarnished reputation of the remaining officers. This jerk should be made an example of, just as you or I would in like circumstance. My "sympathetic nervous system was engaged" on several occassions and nobody was shot. "Law Enforcement" in this country had better start policing thier own ranks before it is too late.

[Laconian]

I'm not saying what the deputy did was justified. It certainly looks like a bad shoot. But from the video, can you see EXACTLY what the deputy sees? I can't. So based on what I see and can decipher from the tape, it looks bad.

I'm not excusing the fact that an unarmed subject was shot, my reference to a SNS activation only explains why cops (& other people) do seemingly stupid stuff under stress; sometimes with grave repercussions, like this incident. I cannot tell from the video the officer's state of mind, can you? Can you say for a fact that he was trying to kill the subject, or did he get startled and rip off 3 shots? Or did he go to readjust his grip and have a sympathetic flex/reflex response and rip the shot off? Again, I'm not defending what the guy did, but is that an attempted execution? Or is it a very, very dangerous mistake?

The police do police themselves, that's why both the Sheriff's office IA is doing an investigation and the SO invited in the Feebs to do their own investigation. If the facts of the case permit, he should be prosecuted under the applicable law and fired.

I feel bad for the airmen, but I also feel bad for the deputy, for there, but with the grace of God, go I.

[Bia]

The airman shouldnt have been there. Just because he serves his country it doesnt make him a saint.

And you are right it doesnt matter what job you do....you shouldnt be involved in high speed Police Chases

Wow...lets give em a free pass to shoot jittery shoplifters too.
And kids that mouth off...

and infants being used to smuggle drugs...

WHY NOT!

[remo williams]

For all we know it could have goone down like this..airmen comes home links up w/his boy..go out for joy ride etc..get gunned by barney pfife who thinks this time he's got some real action.We all know what happens next.I have a friend who's cousin is on the swat team where i live and i've been out with them doing 100+ out for a threat ride.Stupid yeah fun?fcuck yeah,but it's not something i'd do alone.My point is is that fun/DUMB s$#T happens,but to order someone at gun point to get up and then shoot them say two thing to me and many of the police i've spoken to since it happened 1)he's either looking for a reason to shoot someone or 2) he's jittery..either way it shouldn't have happened and he shouldn't have been there.I've heard of many high speed chases and the only time someone got shot was when they either tried to shoot at the officers or harm them during the chase or the suspect shoots himself for whatever reason.jeez we've even had cops lie about being in a chase.Stupid thing to do.. yes but if they were complying with the orders given i can't see a reason to let off 3 shots.I wonder if he still would have shot him if he didn't get up..I wonder if this cop has some aggression issues or munchausen syndrome..psych screening seems to be non existent or lax,but if that's an improper observation then the only other conclusion to draw was that it was in some way deliberate.Like i said in my earlier post..the gas truck through fallujah for him

[woofer]

Wow...lets give em a free pass to shoot jittery shoplifters too.
And kids that mouth off...

and infants being used to smuggle drugs...

WHY NOT!

My point is this... Police Officers put their lives at risk every day when they go to work. They have to make split second decisions the concequences of which last a life time for both the officer and the suspect. The make those decisions based on what they see hear and have previously experienced. Yes Officers join of their own choice as does the Soldier who goes to iraq and shoots a civilian. The differance being a cop is usually alone and a soldier has a squad of witnesses to back him up. You can also bet the officer was very nervous.

My advice is before you hang the Police out to dry, try doing the job they do. The Police are a thin blue line fighting on all arcs. We have people within our own organisation who get promoted on the mistakes of others. The public dislike us because they have been given a speeding ticket and then they hate us because we do nothing about the fast car that kills a child.

Dont be too quick to Judge the officer, yes it looks like a bad decision from our angle of view. Let your justice system deal with it, thats what you go to war to protect. If you dont like it either quit your country, and trust me you probably have some of the worlds best law enforcement officers(next to us lol), or do something about it.

And yes I would shoot a shoplifter if I thought my life was at risk. They are usually nasty smack heads.

Babies I eat for breakfast...lol

[high psi]

My advice is before you hang the Police out to dry, try doing the job they do. The Police are a thin blue line fighting on all arcs. We have people within our own organisation who get promoted on the mistakes of others. The public dislike us because they have been given a speeding ticket and then they hate us because we do nothing about the fast car that kills a child.


Yeah, cops are cops because they were selected and 'better' than everyone else. They are certified and trained to do their job, unlike some random civilian.

Everyone has stressful jobs....

I'm sure the cop was being real professional when he was telling the screaming kid to 'shut the **** up' after he shot him three times.

[high psi]

And yes I would shoot a shoplifter if I thought my life was at risk. They are usually nasty smack heads.



So, what is your definition of your life being at risk?

Apparently that guy thought his life was at risk when the unarmed subject was slowly getting up after stating he was in the military and unarmed with his hands on the top of his head or whatever.

[Chops]

I don't normally get involved in this kind of post but honestly feel I must- I am very pro LE- I've worked with police teams before as some of you know and I am far, far from a rabid anti cops type but I cannot agree with the comments made by Laconian and Woofer- this is simply wrong guys.

Yes we can only see one angle from the video and all the other excuses I myself have always used in the past to defend police actions but the simple fact is that a suspect was attempting to carry out a command and was shot three times for his efforts.

Woofer- your comments are just so out of order it's not funny. This guy should be hung out to dry- that video is one of the nastiest, most cold blooded things I have ever seen (and honestly don't give me the SNS defense). I respect both of you but it disturbs the fk out of me that you guys are defending it.

Personally it reminds me of the Marine shooting in Fallujah- the grunt was cleared but entirely unjustifiable in my opinion- he should have been binned. There is a reason why soldiers and police are trained. One of them is to guard against incidents like this.

Anyway just my tuppence worth

C

[Digital Marine]

Pretty messed up... the screaming in pain is aweful to hear:-(

i hope that the investigation will shed some light on what happened... i'd like to hear the Deputy's and the Airman's story.

[Laconian]

Chops,
I agree with you, they should both prosecute him and fire him. My only disagreement is that I don't think its cold-blooded, I think it is a very very bad UD. My reference to the SNS is not to defend it, but to point out that it may have been a contributing factor.

It doesn't remind me of the Marine at Fallujah; it reminds me of the female Las Vegas Metro cop who pops off a round as her partner is cuffing a suspect.

He can still (and should) be prosecuted but not for attempted 1st degree homicide (or whatever premeditated murder is called in CA), based on the tape alone.

[Chops]

Laconian

I trust your judgement but calling this a UD? Which I assume is what you call an ND- Negligent Discharge? When I was in, one ND (if it was downrange and caused no harm) cost you a sizeable chunk of your measly next week's pay but three??? In a semi automatic weapon???

Otherwise yeah I'm with you. My reference to the Marine was simply to another case caught on film where in my opinion, and hypothetically if the guy was under my charge, he would be binned big style.

cheers

C

[muede]

Thanks for directing me to the video.

http://rapidshare.de/files/12459351/Deputy_Attempts_to_Execute_Airman.wmv.html

There it is for download if anybody wants to see.

Regards.

[woofer]

Woofer- your comments are just so out of order it's not funny. This guy should be hung out to dry- that video is one of the nastiest, most cold blooded things I have ever seen (and honestly don't give me the SNS defense). I respect both of you but it disturbs the fk out of me that you guys are defending it.

C

Im not defending his actions if he is proven to be in the wrong then he will face the appropraite action. I am saying dont hang out the Police 99.9% of them are hard working and not malicious. And they defend peoples liberty 365 days of the year.

And my definition of being at risk will be differant to everyone elses(re shoplifter). Do you wait for the suspect to actually draw his weapon or put him down before when he moves towards it and gets the chance to kill you.

better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6

just to add to this see this link if you read it it shows the deputy in an even darker light and its written by the Police.is CHINO his nearest jail
http://www.officer.com/article/article.jsp?siteSection=1&id=28342

[martinexsquaddie]

I doubt a an oxford educated weasal with a degree in lieing could get the deputy out of this one :(

[woofer]

I doubt a an oxford educated weasal with a degree in lieing could get the deputy out of this one :(

he probably could in an british court room but then again you can get away with most things there..just plead to a lesser charge
http://www.nostalgiacentral.com/images_tv/rumpole_2.jpg

[brad 1]

hey whats wrong with british court system?

it keeps us amused anyway LOL :)

[woofer]

hey whats wrong with british court system?

it keeps us amused anyway LOL :)

its official I think this thread is dead until we get a result.... lol

[BoyElroy]

US-California Police Shooting, 2nd Ld,180

Attorney calls for arrest of deputy in shooting of airman

Eds: UPDATES with news conference by airman's family; CHANGES
dateline, ADDS byline.

By GREG RISLING
Associated Press Writer
SAN BERNARDINO, California (AP) - An attorney for a man
videotaped being shot by a sheriff's deputy as he appeared to
comply with an order to get up from the ground called Friday for
the deputy to be arrested.
"What he did was totally irresponsible, unprofessional and went
into criminal conduct," attorney Luis Carrillo told a press
conference outside the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department.
"Justice demands that he be arrested."
Senior Airman Elio Carrion, 21, an Air Force security officer
recently back from Iraq, was shot three times Sunday night by
Deputy Ivory J. Webb, 45. Carrion was a passenger in a car that
crashed after a brief high-speed chase in Chino, about 35 miles
east of Los Angeles.
A videotape recorded by a local resident showed Carrion on the
ground talking with the deputy, who stood pointing a gun at him.
The videotape recorded a voice that appeared to be commanding
Carrion to "Get up." As Carrion began to rise, the deputy fired
three shots into him.
The airman remained hospitalized in good condition.

[Bia]

Chops,
I agree with you, they should both prosecute him and fire him. My only disagreement is that I don't think its cold-blooded, I think it is a very very bad UD. My reference to the SNS is not to defend it, but to point out that it may have been a contributing factor.

It doesn't remind me of the Marine at Fallujah; it reminds me of the female Las Vegas Metro cop who pops off a round as her partner is cuffing a suspect.

He can still (and should) be prosecuted but not for attempted 1st degree homicide (or whatever premeditated murder is called in CA), based on the tape alone.

Exactly...

He's not cold blooded....
He's simply a dumbass and possibly a coward type...too jumpy or paranoid possibly.
Point is...he should never carry a badge again.....he can work at Wal-Mart and get some pepper spray and a walkie-talkie.

LOL

[NG_LtInfSqdLdr]

Being a Californian, I can tell you that since this episode happend in Mexifornia (SoCal) and that the Airman is Hispanic, this Deputy is TOAST. Unless he gets a change of venue for his trial, he's a goner.

[angry cow]

You can tell by the way hes talking before and after the shoot that he is way unprofessional and has completely lost it. The dialog sounds more like Denzel Washington's character in training day.

The Marine in Fallujah was a justified shooting, it sucks, but the camerman himself said he thought the guy might be going for a detonator. That was in a combat zone. And certainly far more justified than what happened here.

We don't get many suicide bombers in Southern California. Everything I see and hear in the video sounds like the Airman had realized what was going on and was trying to difuse the situation. "I'm on your side . . . " etc. The chase was FIVE FOCKING MINUTES LONG. I've driven at 100mph+ for hours at a time and I wouldn't have noticed the cop for at least that long.

Oh and the deputy has been looked for excessive force before . . .
http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_3470510

If he was one of my soldiers he would not fare well . . .

[Lurps]

Good punishment would be to give the Deputy for five minutes, same time that the incident lasted, to the MPs brothers in arms.woot He would see for himself how long a minute can be..

[Ea$y-8]

Thank god the Airmen is still alive :) I hope that cop gets the punishment he richly deserves!

[remo williams]

i'm not 100%,but i had read that his father is either the local pd chief or the sheriff for that county.i wonder how much this could come into play in regards to wher the trial's held,how hard they'll push the charges,and possibly the sentence if found guilty.

[Vance]

Possibly the first air force member to be shot since the beginning of the War on Terror
.............