world sniper championship

[Ericsson]

World Sniper Championship Overall Team Champions - Bennie Cooley, Jr., Department of Energy - Idaho, Falls, Idaho and Todd Salmon, Lee County, Florida Sheriff's Office
2nd Place Overall Team - Lim Wang Sing and Woon Kim Meng, Singapore Armed Forces Commandos Team B
3rd Place Overall Team - John Sheahan and Joede Vanek, Las Vegas, Nevada Metropolitan Police Department
4th Place Overall Team - Wong Kam Man and Patrick Tan Choong Kiang, Singapore Armed Forces Commandos Team A
5th Place Overall Team - Dan Weaver and Trent Lebo, Maryland State Police
Urban Sniper Event
1st Place - Bennie Cooley, Jr., Department of Energy, Idaho, Falls, Idaho and Todd Salmon, Lee County, Florida Sheriff's Office
2nd Place - Ryan Choy and William Robinson, United States Border Patrol, Tucson, Arizona Team B
3rd Place - Todd Reed and Jason Miller, United States Air Force, Knoxville, Tennessee
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Sniper Marksmanship Event
1st Place - Jim Clark, Webster Parish, Louisiana Sheriff's Office and Kevin Divers, Rapides Parish, Louisiana Sheriff's Office
2nd Place - Lim Wang Sing and Woon Kim Meng, Singapore Armed Forces Commandos Team B
3rd Place - John Sheahan and Joede Vanek, Las Vegas, Nevada Metropolitan Police Department
Combat Sniper Event
1st Place - Karl Erickson and Thomas Heckens, United States Army 5th SF Group, Ft. Campbell, Kentucky Team A
2nd Place - Bennie Cooley, Jr., Department of Energy, Idaho, Falls, Idaho and Todd Salmon, Lee County, Florida Sheriff's Office
3rd Place - Lim Wang Sing and Woon Kim Meng, Singapore Armed Forces Commandos Team B
Hostage Rescue Sniper Event
1st Place - Dan Weaver and Trent Lebo, Maryland State Police
2nd Place - Wong Kam Man and Patrick Tan Choong Kiang, Singapore Armed Forces Commandos Team A
3rd Place - Diron Sine and Tom Hammill, Prince George's County, Maryland Police Department
Extreme Sniper Event
1st Place - Patrick Etter and Tom Hannon, Indiana State Police Team A
2nd Place - Bennie Cooley, Jr., Department of Energy, Idaho, Falls, Idaho and Todd Salmon, Lee County, Florida Sheriff's Office
3rd Place - Wong Kam Man and Patrick Tan Choong Kiang, Singapore Armed Forces Commandos Team A
World Sniper Championship Overall Individual Champion - Chris Peppard, United States Army 5th SF Group, Ft. Campbell, Kentucky
2nd Place Overall Individual - Todd Svenkesen, Detroit, Michigan Police Department
3rd Place Overall Individual - Woon Kim Meng, Singapore Armed Forces Commandos
4th Place Overall Individual - Bennie Cooley, Jr., Department of Energy, Idaho, Falls, Idaho
5th Place Overall Individual - John Scarbrough, United States Marine Corps, Memphis, Tennessee
Precision Sniper Event
1st Place - Ben Thirey, United States Army 5th SF Group, Ft. Campbell, Kentucky
2nd Place - Jim Clark, Webster Parish, Louisiana Sheriff's Office
3rd Place - Patrick Tan Choong Kiang, Singapore Armed Forces Commandos
Sniper Tower Event
1st Place - Chris Peppard, United States Army 5th SF Group, Ft. Campbell, Kentucky
2nd Place - Patrick Tan Choong Kiang, Singapore Armed Forces Commandos
3rd Place - Bennie Cooley, Jr., Department of Energy, Idaho, Falls, Idaho
OpTac Sniper Event
1st Place - Chris Peppard, United States Army 5th SF Group, Ft. Campbell, Kentucky
2nd Place - Todd Svenkesen, Detroit, Michigan Police Department
3rd Place - John Scarbrough, United States Marine Corps, Memphis, Tennessee

[EvanL]

Looks like our guys were too busy to clean house :P

[Tracker 23A]

was it only the U.S. and Singapore?

[Wilco]

Usa Woohowhowhowh

[SoliDeoGloria]

5th Group sure had quite the run....was it only certain teams and units invited to participate?...or could anyone compete?

[Resurrection]

was it only the U.S. and Singapore?

Yeah is there a list of what countries participated?

[Kingswat]

They shouldn't be allowed to call it "world" especially if only a handfull of coutries show up.

[TacoDelRio]

Haha EXTREME SNIPER EVENT? What constitutes that? Using a Glock sideways out of a Buick Regal with a 50x scope mounted shooting at sillhouettes at a McDonalds?

[)I(EHbKA.]

They shouldn't be allowed to call it "world" especially if only a handfull of coutries show up.

true .........

[TacoDelRio]

Were they stopping other countries from attending?

Otherwise they'd hafta change the name of the event right before it happened to "A buncha countries world sniper championship!"

[ThePunisher]

Does anyone know any of the weapon information of the winning teams?

[pathfinder82]

They shouldn't be allowed to call it "world" especially if only a handfull of coutries show up.


They are always a let down in that respect. Then again its not exactly all that easy to "schedule" these things when you have a job like that.

What would be the point even if every service in the world could attend. Its still a "any given sunday" type of thing. The best precision shooter in the world might just have an off day.

[FuturePara]

Damn, 5th Group really cleaned house..

[nick_ua]

this is what I don't understand about this country, any freaking event are named World Champinship, and it doesn't matter that bunch of lazzy ass cop snipers and couple army snipers and some weirdoff from Singapore get to gether to had a good time it still World class event.

Can you at least consider then some other countries might have one or too snipers two, so it's not fair called it World whatevrship

[fantassin]

Quote:

Department of Energy, Idaho, Falls, Idaho


Somehow, I can't see 22SAS, GIGN or GSG9 competing with the "Department of Energy, Idaho, Falls, Idaho".....

[fatsack]

Department of Energy, Idaho, Falls, Idaho = DELTA!

[Graspol]

It shows again that considered to the Americans,there is no "world" outside of the US. Also by calling this event WC they can brag they are the world's best (which of course we all know is not true at all) .p-)

[Roaming East]

Oh lord...marksmanship is marksmanship. Just because you're Delta, SAS or whatever doesnt automatically make you 10% better than any other career sniper. What if the Idaho boys had been retired Military LRRPS or some **** with combat experiance in Nam? lotta variables in there so dont get all pissy if your nationalistic ego wasnt smoothed by a lack of hometown representation.

[stuntman]

What a bunch of crying Euro's and Kanadians! Face it we own ju bishes!

WEMIA!

[ABNINF]

Oh lord...marksmanship is marksmanship. Just because you're Delta, SAS or whatever doesnt automatically make you 10% better than any other career sniper. What if the Idaho boys had been retired Military LRRPS or some **** with combat experiance in Nam? lotta variables in there so dont get all pissy if your nationalistic ego wasnt smoothed by a lack of hometown representation.

Alot of that is true. You don't know the background of all the shooters. These competitions can also be had to get to due to deployments, call-ups and such. I used to shoot the combat matches that the Texas National Guard held. We would have active duty Marines come out there to shoot against us, and I can't even begin to tell you how pissed off some of them got, because a bunch a Army National Guard guys were out-shooting them. This was both Combat Rifle (M16A2's, iron sights only) and Combat Sniper. It doesn't always matter what you do, but what you've done in the past. The year I shot the Combat Sniper match, the top two shooters were an Army ROTC cadet(no sniping experience), and a PFC from 19th Group. Both were shooters that had grown up shooting, and were just plain good shots who knew how to apply what they'd learned. Just because you've been to SOTIC or any other sniper school, doesn't necessarily make you the best shot.

[twominds]

Stuntman, you sound just like my Marine corps buddy, but that stopped when he went from reserves to active duty and OCS though.. ;) He grew up somewhere along the way I gather.. It was mostly just f***ing around though which I hope you are as well? :)

Agree with you Roaming East, many of the SWAT and energy security officers might have a military background and be exellent marksmen, but this was a WORLD sniper event.. That might still be a bit of an exaggeration, don't you think? Kinda like MLB championship, which it should be called, is called world series.. like any nations team could quallify..

There is also a big difference between marksman and a sniper, is there not?

[stuntman]

Stuntman, you sound just like my Marine corps buddy, but that stopped when he went from reserves to active duty and OCS though.. ;) He grew up somewhere along the way I gather.. It was mostly just f***ing around though which I hope you are as well? :)

You mean we don't own those bishes?:oops:

Na im just teasing.. And for the record I am 27 so I have been grown up for a few years now. So there is no need to question my behavior young man...

[twominds]

hehe, just taking a piss mate.. :) he was a great guy and tons of fun, and I don't think less of you.. Just coming from a small ass country that most people there thought was the capitol of a sweden was rough.. :) as for age, we are just aobut the same so..

[Somehow]

Or Spanish GEO (Grupo Especial de Operaciones) of CNP (Spanish National Police), year after year in the best places or just winning the CTC sharpsooting tests.

BTW, I appreciate any info available about CTC!!!

[szr]

Quote:

Department of Energy, Idaho, Falls, Idaho


Somehow, I can't see 22SAS, GIGN or GSG9 competing with the "Department of Energy, Idaho, Falls, Idaho".....
Somehow, I couldn't have seen you post anything other than what you did.

Where's Apathy and his pictures to add some degree of intelligence to an otherwise pitifully drony thread?

[DeltaWhisky58]

Sounds more like a Law Enforcement competition - certainly not a full-on World Championship - no major-league competitors from what I can see.

[twominds]

Department of Energy are those tasked with protecting nuclear energy plants aren't they?

[magicpie]

this is what I don't understand about this country, any freaking event are named World Champinship, and it doesn't matter that bunch of lazzy ass cop snipers and couple army snipers and some weirdoff from Singapore get to gether to had a good time it still World class event.

Can you at least consider then some other countries might have one or too snipers two, so it's not fair called it World whatevrship

americans are like that tho.. i believe they have a baseball competition called the world series?? where they only play

[Threelions]

americans are like that tho.. i believe they have a baseball competition called the world series?? where they only play


Its called the world series cause the original "series " of games was sponsored by the world newspaper. Thus, the World Series. HAd it been sponsored by tampax we would now call it the tampax series. In other words, the title of those games has nothing to do with the international flavour of the game.

I do agree that its a bit silly to call anything a world championship. In order to qualify for that i would expect to see some of the big boys shooting away. But in reality, who cares!! If they named this tourny , "the idaho sniper shoot" no one would even be discussing it, probably cause most people dont even know where idaho is.

Cheers,
Paul

[Graspol]

ly cause most people dont even know where idaho is.
l


Sure we do!
Idaho is the name of the town Macs lives in, right?











p-)

[khukuri]

a bit off topic, but the best shooters I know are the older ones with beer bellies.

[twominds]

Idaho!
You da ho!!
Horrible and infantile, but made a good t-shirt though..

[Ericsson]

everybody relax the **** down
they where Other country's in the past who got 1 place in this competition like Austria Vienna snipers they
are the only country who got 1 place 2 years in a row Singapore also took it before
they always do good.
and for the ignorant out there the department of energies as excellent snipers in the US
it's serious business ....
I don,t know if they where any German teams
but i know the super sniper champion was a SEK member in the swat round up
hey !! you cant win them all
Canadian are good snipers but since they won a couple they think there the greatest thing since slice bread...Please !!!!!!!!

[EvanL]

everybody relax the **** down
they where Other country's in the past who got 1 place in this competition like Austria Vienna snipers they
are the only country who got 1 place 2 years in a row Singapore also took it before
they always do good.
and for the ignorant out there the department of energies as excellent snipers in the US
it's serious business ....
I don,t know if they where any German teams
but i know the super sniper champion was a SEK member in the swat round up
hey !! you cant win them all
Canadian are good snipers but since they won a couple they think there the greatest thing since slice bread...Please !!!!!!!!
Hmmmmmmmmm
I don't think anybody here has boasted about us Canadians having a near perfect record in most sniper competitions.
A little chippy today arent ya mate?

[22.5degrees]

I would tend to agree with EvanLloyd. I have yet to see anyone boast about the Canadians. I recall it was a Canadian sniper team who made the longest recorded confirmed kill back in 2003? in the A-stan. A sum distance of 2440 metres, and that was laser measured. That works out to be about 2643 yards. Not bad in my opinion. I believe it was CPL Erin Perry (sp?) from 3rd Battalion PPCLI who made the shot, albeit on the second attempt.

22.5

[Hatchetforce]

Quote:

Department of Energy, Idaho, Falls, Idaho


Somehow, I can't see 22SAS, GIGN or GSG9 competing with the "Department of Energy, Idaho, Falls, Idaho".....


Then you do not know much about the response teams from DoE...

[BoyElroy]

Hope this isn't RMM

Here are the results from the November 2005 International Sniper Competition at Fort Benning:


1. All Guard Team

2.1/21 Inf team 25ID

3.1 Cav Div team

4.USAF team

5.2/22 Royal 22e Canada

6.2/27 Reg 25ID

7.1/23 Reg 2ID

8.USMC Scout Sniper School Team

9.3/75 Ranger Reg Team

10.3/71 Cav 10 Mountain

11.1/22 Royal 22e Reg Canada

12.2/22 Royal 22e Reg Canada

16.1 RCR Canada
17.1 PPCLI Canada
19.1 Royal 22e Canada
20.2 PPCLI Canada
24.Irish Team
27.1 Royal Scots UK
29. 3 RCR Canada
30. 2 Royal Green Jackets UK
31.3 PPCLI Canada



November 14, 2005

Shooting skills on display
Snipers share tips, technique at competition

By Matthew Cox
Times staff writer


FORT BENNING, Ga. -� They don't fit the Hollywood image of a group of lone assassins waiting for their next mission, their next confirmed kill.

They serve different armed services, wear different camouflage patterns and seldom choose the same sniper weapon.

All are highly competitive, yet most here gladly share their sniping secrets with fellow brethren of the precision-shooting world.

"We are all about shooting and helping each other out,"� said Sgt. Nicholas Howard of the 25th Infantry Division on Day 4 of the 5th Annual International Sniper Competition.

"I don't care; I'll help you even though you are competing against me."�

Howard and his sniper teammate, Spc. Sean Clark of 1st Battalion, 21st Infantry Regiment, are among the 31 sniper teams that traveled to Benning from all over the world to make new contacts, share information and learn how they measure up against the best of the best.

"We swap thumb drives with information from after-action reviews to classes,"� said one Marine Corps sergeant, whose team preferred to remain anonymous, while representing the Scout Sniper Instructor Course at Quantico Marine Base, Va. "I still don't know everything I have, but I know I will be able to pull bits and pieces of it for the classes I teach."�

International appeal

This year's competition had the the largest participant turnout so far, said Staff Sgt. Larry Davis, assistant competition coordinator and instructor at the Army Sniper School.

Besides the Marine Corps team, there were three teams from the Air Force, 21 from the Army and five teams from Britain, Canada, Israel, Ireland and Scotland. There's also one team from the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency.

"Our events are from scenarios based on combat in Afghanistan and Iraq,"� Davis said.

Teams are run through the events in groups of five and are briefed right before each event so they don't have time to plan strategy.

"It forces the teams to have to respond to different situations,"� Davis said.

Air Force Tech. Sgt. Todd Reed and his identical twin brother, Master Sgt. Tim Reed, competed as one of the Air Force teams.

Todd became a sniper in 1997 after graduating from the Army National Guard Sniper Course in Little Rock, Ark.

But the Air Force refers to them as sharpshooters instead of snipers because they are in more of a defensive role.

They primarily stick to airfields and do mostly counter-sniper work compared to the offensive work of snipers.

Now Todd is an instructor at the Air Force Close Precision Engagement Course.

Tim went through the course in 2001.

"I brought him over to the dark side,"� Todd said with a grin.

The two brothers came to Benning to compete, but mainly to learn from others in this small brotherhood.

"When we get together with people like us, we share information, Todd said. "This is our second time here; we have learned a great deal here."�

The competition began Oct. 31 with an urban sniping event.

Teams were inserted near their first firing range, riding in the back of a Bradley fighting vehicle.

Each team had to run to a house. A squad was positioned inside and shooting from the windows. Simulated explosions added to the realism, Howard said.

A sergeant led each team upstairs to the roof and handed them off to another sergeant who pointed out targets.

"It was quick-quick -� no time to think about it, which is the way combat is,"� Clark said.

Davis said it was clear that many of the competitors' combat experiences helped them in the urban shoot.

"A lot of the U.S. teams, who have been to Iraq and Afghanistan -� their times were quicker than we expected,"� he said.

'A learning experience'

Despite the strengths of many competitors, a skill that most teams lacked was clear communication between the spotter and the shooter, Davis said.

This became clear when teams had to shoot at multiple targets on the third day of the competition using what are known as "hold-off"� techniques: aiming above or below targets to compensate for different ranges since snipers had to go from target to target without making adjustments to their optics.

Many struggled with the event.

"The communication was bad. A team has to be able to talk to one another,"� Davis said. "For one, a spotter has to be able to let the shooter know where the target is. You want to make sure the shooter understands what you are looking at -� at least distance and direction and a brief description."�

Sgt. Joseph Fernandez and his teammate Spc. Kevin French, of the 82nd Airborne Division's 3rd Battalion, 325th Airborne Infantry Regiment, found the competition frustrating at times since they had very little time to train at their unit.

"We are taking it more as a learning experience,"� Fernandez said. "We want to go back and say, 'This is where other units are and this is where we are.'

"It's a great competition. They have definitely got the right tests out here. You can't just be good at one thing here; you've got to be well-rounded. We may come out of here in last place, but some of the knowledge we get will definitely prepare us for next time."�

Sgts. James Brown and Colin Handy of the 2nd Infantry Division's 5th Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment, liked that all the events were combat-focused rather than the way they normally train, which is mostly on known distance ranges.

"Everything we have done is stuff we could use to train people up for deployments,"� Brown said.

A tip from Team Canada

Both Brown and Howard said the gathering is also a good chance to see what type of gear other countries employ.

"You come down here to see what gear and tactics other snipers are using,"� Howard said. "The Canadians have loops on the backs of their jackets with rubber bands on them, so you can attach jute or strips of burlap for camouflage."�

Brown added that this technique would be easier than carrying along the traditional, heavy Ghillie suits -� the leaf- and brush-covered garb worn as camouflage uniforms to most American sniper teams.

Other events in the competition included a three-phase pistol shoot, consisting of multiple targets that required shooters to engage targets with both right and left hands.

A new event scheduled for Nov. 4 called for shooting at targets from a hovering Black Hawk helicopter.

"I've never fired from a helicopter before, and I don't think many people here have fired from a helicopter -� when do you get a chance to do that?"� Howard said. "I was excited to come here."�

[EvanL]

Hope this isn't RMM

Here are the results from the November 2005 International Sniper Competition at Fort Benning:


1. All Guard Team

2.1/21 Inf team 25ID

3.1 Cav Div team

4.USAF team

5.2/22 Royal 22e Canada

6.2/27 Reg 25ID

7.1/23 Reg 2ID

8.USMC Scout Sniper School Team

9.3/75 Ranger Reg Team

10.3/71 Cav 10 Mountain

11.1/22 Royal 22e Reg Canada

12.2/22 Royal 22e Reg Canada

16.1 RCR Canada
17.1 PPCLI Canada
19.1 Royal 22e Canada
20.2 PPCLI Canada
24.Irish Team
27.1 Royal Scots UK
29. 3 RCR Canada
30. 2 Royal Green Jackets UK
31.3 PPCLI Canada
Thats more like it :D
Its always nice to see the paddys up there.

[BoyElroy]

Who're the Paddys?



*edit*

Oh, the Patricia Regiment. Never mind:)

[EvanL]

Who're the Paddys?



*edit*

Oh, the Patricia Regiment. Never mind:)
No the Irish.

[BoyElroy]

Oh, the Irish. Never mind:)

Thanks.

[nick_ua]

Its called the world series cause the original "series " of games was sponsored by the world newspaper. Thus, the World Series.

WTF is world newspaper? Like Idaho today?


i believe they have a baseball competition called the world series

Indeed. There are also Japanese play baseball. But they will play whatever just to keep them away from committing suicide

[twominds]

So here we are just failry calmly talking about this rather small competition slinging a few comments back and forth, and straight out of right field (the baseball ref is no accident!) comes ericsson screaming for us to calm the f*** down.. No one really made any comments about their supperiority, just that this might not have deserved "World championship" status..

And Nick_Ua, what are you talking about? that was just a bad comment.. Don't generalize.. but there are cultural issues that legitimizes suicides as the solution when not able to deal..

[Hatchetforce]

My my, aren't there a great many detractors here. I would hazard a guess that quite a few people here would be surprised to learn that often, not always, but often a vast majority of countries receive invitations to these competetions and then are requested to RSVP. They elect not to attend and either notify the event officials or simply do not respond.

I cannot speak for this competetion, but past experience leads me to lay odds the same thing occurred here. And when people opt out of such competitions due to cost, time involved, or a simple lack of giving a crap they also opt out of any claims concerning the results.

The funny thing, and yes I am partial here because those are my guys, but SF snipers that have been honing their skills in Iraq cleaned house and people seem both surprised and upset to the point they use the "Well my country wasn't there" excuse. Before you do I suggest you ask your country's State Department what happened to the invite.

[twominds]

I think you are misjudging what people are saying.. we are questioning wether it merrited world championship naame.. No doubt that american snipers are amongst those with the best combat experience.. and for all i know the end result would have been exactly the same with all the major international contenders present.. the thing is, if Finland or some other country with no american forces stationed held such a competition and called it world championship, americans would be quick to respond "well our boys wer to busy kicking ass in the sandbox" or things like that.. Again, for my part, it was the title that I noticed, not the results.. And I have heard nothing but good things about the DoE forces...

[IRISH RANGER]

well done!!

[Irish]

Thats more like it :D
Its always nice to see the paddys up there.

We are only new to this International sniper concept..We competed in a sniper competion in Canada in 2004/5 and did well in both competions.

[digrar]

Just an observation, if the competition had any sort of prestige then people would have come, people still showed up to Bisley.

[RomanS]

Russia always hosts WORLD CHAMPION BETWEEN SPECIAL FORCES

The list of countries from all over the world is always same

Ukraine
Belarus
Kazahstan

[aclark79]

What I want to know was if DOE contact security force or DOE response team?

[Sabre]

Military competitions are funny things. Especially shooting comps. They are won by the people who have time to train and the inclination to enter. A lot of units are too busy or not incilned to enter. I remember wiping the floor with the Paras with a team of UOTC rejects, simply because we had the time to train (cos we did nothing else worthwhile).

Not slagging the lads off, no doubt there is a lot of skill there, but don't write people's ability off on the basis of them attending/winning a competition or not.

[earl]

I would tend to agree with EvanLloyd. I have yet to see anyone boast about the Canadians. I recall it was a Canadian sniper team who made the longest recorded confirmed kill back in 2003? in the A-stan. A sum distance of 2440 metres, and that was laser measured. That works out to be about 2643 yards. Not bad in my opinion. I believe it was CPL Erin Perry (sp?) from 3rd Battalion PPCLI who made the shot, albeit on the second attempt.

22.5

CPL Robert Furlong, 2430m, 3rd shot (first miss, second hit a backpack).

MCPL Arron Perry was one of the 5 people there, but is better known the guy who had his photo taken with the "**** terrorism" sign next to a dead taliban with a cigarette stuffed in his mouth.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Don't re-open ancient threads please unless you have some really startling news.

[jagermeister]

the DOE has some top notch people in its organization.....

[Former Gold Falcon]

What I want to know was if DOE contact security force or DOE response team?

Some contractors checking ID's, but their QRF is all in-house.

No one should underestimate the DOE's QRF, they are very squared away, with EXTREMELY liberal ROEs if push comes to shove. Quite frankly that's the way it should be considering their mission....

As for who did and did not show up, well maybe others were just too busy to attend. So many partys and so little time.....


T.