Apostates of Islam.

[Lurps]

Ever wondered if someone has abandoned religion of Islam, these are those people. http://www.apostatesofislam.com/index.htm

[Ayura]

Another attempt at de-humanising Islam. I hope you realise literally everything they post their is practically fake and manufactured.

Read article:


Apostates or Renegades are those who decide to leave the religion of Islam. There is a widely prevailing misconception about this issue. It is generally thought that the Holy Quran (The Muslims Holy Scripture) provides the death sentence for those who desert the religion of Islam. There is not the least ground for such a supposition. The Holy Quran speaks repeatedly of people going back to unbelief after believing, but never once does it say that they should be killed or punished. Although the Holy Quran does provide the death sentence for some situations such as putting a murderer to death, but it never provided death sentence or ordered the death of those who leave Islam.

Let us look at Noble Verse 2:217 "They ask thee (Mohammed) Concerning fighting In the Prohibited Month. Say: Fighting therein Is a grave (offence); but graver is it In the sight of Allah to prevent access to the path of Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the sacred Mosque, and drive out its members. Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you turn back from their faith (Islam) and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the hereafter; they will be companions of the fire and will abide therein." Here in this Holy Verse we see that Allah Almighty talks about those who leave Islam, and promises them punishment in the day of judgment. Allah Almighty doesn't order the death of those people.

Let also look at Noble Verse 5:54 "O ye who believe! If any from among you turn back from his faith, soon will Allah produce a people whom He (Allah) will love as they will love Him lowly with the believers, Mighty against the rejecters, fighting in the way of Allah, and never afraid of the reproachers of such as find fault. That is the Grace of Allah which He will bestow on whom He (Allah) pleaseth. And Allah encompasseth all, and He knoweth all things." Here in this Holy Verse we see again Allah Almighty strengthening the faith of the Muslims in Islam by assuring them that whenever they see Muslims leaving Islam they will also see those who join Islam with strong faith and love to Allah Almighty.

"As most men are rebellious." (5:49), it is inevitable that there should be apostates even from such a religion of reason and common-sense as Islam. In Verse 5:54 above there is a warning to the Muslims that they should not repeat the history of the Jews, and become so self-satisfied or arrogant as to depart from the spirit of Allah's teaching. If they do, the loss will be their own. Allah's bounty is not confined to one group or section of humanity. He can always raise up people who will follow the true spirit of Islam. That spirit is defined in two ways:

1- They will love Allah Almighty and Allah Almighty will love them.

2- Amongst the Brethren, their attitude will be that of humility, but to wrongdoers they will offer no compromises, and they will always strive and fight for the truth and right. They will know no fear, either physical, or that more insidious form. They are too great in mind to be haunted by any such thought.

Let us look at Noble Verse 5:55 "(O Muslims) Your (real) friends are (No less than) Allah, His Messenger, and the (Fellowship Of) Believers, those who establish regular prayers and regular charity, and they bow down humbly (in worship)." Here we see Allah Almighty telling Muslims after he warned them from apostates in (5:54) that their real friends are: Allah Almighty, Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him, and the good Muslims who keep up with their prayers and charity, and who humbly worship their God.

Let us look at Noble Verse 3:90 "But those who reject faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of faith never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have (of set purpose) gone astray." Here in this holy verse we see Allah Almighty rejecting the faith of those who keep coming back and forth to Islam. In order for a human being to accept Islam as his religion, he must be certain about it first. Allah Almighty's path is wide open, and his mercy is greater than this universe. This Holy Verse also does not order the death of those who leave Islam.

The path to Allah Almighty is always open and Allah Almighty will be your friend as in verse (5:55) above, and he will forgive your sins for you once you repent as in the following verse: "Except for those that repent (Even) after that, And make amends; for Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful." (3:89).

Ty :)

[Lurps]

Another attempt at de-humanising Islam. I hope you realise literally everything they post their is practically fake and manufactured.

Ty :) You give just quotes, i may have to email them and here what they have to say. http://www.apostatesofislam.com/apostates.htm

[Lurps]

They have a great Discussion Forum, http://www.apostatesofislam.com/forum/index.php

[shire19]

I agree with Ayura here, I myself left Islam too but that site is full of half-truths and Quranic verses that have been taken out of context.
It's not the Islam I know of.

About the qoutes, if you wanted to verify them here is an online english version of the Quran;

http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/SURAI.HTM

[Geezah]

I myself left Islam too

Do you mind me asking why you chose to leave Islam???

[Lurps]

I agree with Ayura here, I myself left Islam too but that site is full of half-truths and Quranic verses that have been taken out of context.
It's not the Islam I know of.

About the qoutes, if you wanted to verify them here is an online english version of the Quran;

http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/SURAI.HTM Could it be the Islam they know? You are saying they are lying?

[shire19]

Do you mind me asking why you chose to leave Islam???

Not at all.
Islam like any other religion teaches how great their God is, that he is all-good and mercifull..
Personal experiences and world events both past and present made me realise differently.

I dont see any God of any religion as a "bad God" but I just dont believe any of those God's is actually the one thats "up" there.

[block52]

edit: added this quote for clarification....



Apostates or Renegades are those who decide to leave the religion of Islam. There is a widely prevailing misconception about this issue. It is generally thought that the Holy Quran (The Muslims Holy Scripture) provides the death sentence for those who desert the religion of Islam. There is not the least ground for such a supposition. The Holy Quran speaks repeatedly of people going back to unbelief after believing, but never once does it say that they should be killed or punished. Although the Holy Quran does provide the death sentence for some situations such as putting a murderer to death, but it never provided death sentence or ordered the death of those who leave Islam.



This is simple takkiya/kitman (deception). The punishment for leaving islam is clearly death. Muslims are simply hoping that we stupid infidels will take their word about the quran but ignore the sunnah.

The quran does not say to specifically kill someone for leaving islam.

But it should be abundantly clear to anyone who reads the Quran, that hypocrite muslims, non-muslims, athiests, etc, must be killed, subdued into slavery/dhimmitude, or converted. So the quran is no golden book to begin with when it comes to non-muslims/hypocrites, regardless of the fact that it does not say to specifically kill apostates.


The sunnah is much more specific on this matter. Muhammad did say to kill apostates-

Sahih bukhari

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:
Narrated 'Ikrima:

Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'

Pay attention to the last sentance : ' I would have killed them according to the statement of allah's apostle, 'whoever changed his islamic religion, then kill him.'

[shire19]

Could it be the Islam they know? You are saying they are lying?
They Islam they know is the Islam EVERY actual Muslim knows.. They are not bashing how current Muslims follow their religion but Islam and the Holy book itself and everyone has access to the same version regarding that Quran and they simply take verses out of context without showing the entire chapter that most of the time explains the whole situation.

[Geezah]

Not at all.
Islam like any other religion teaches how great their God is, that he is all-good and mercifull..
Personal experiences and world events both past and present made me realise differently.

I dont see any God of any religion as a "bad God" but I just dont believe any of those God's is actually the one thats "up" there.

Thank you, I was raised as a Mormon from the age of 4 and decided it wasn't for me at around 18/19(the rest of the family at this point was inactive).
So I can sort of see where you're coming from.

Just wanted to add, I still consider myself to be Christian though, and I do believe in God.

[shire19]

This is simple takkiya/kitman (deception). The punishment for leaving islam is clearly death. Muslims are simply hoping that we stupid infidels will take their word about the quran but ignore the sunnah.

The quran does not say to specifically kill someone for leaving islam.

But it should be abundantly clear to anyone who reads the Quran, that hypocrite muslims, non-muslims, athiests, etc, must be killed, subdued into slavery/dhimmitude, or converted. So the quran is no golden book to begin with when it comes to non-muslims/hypocrites, regardless of the fact that it does not say to specifically kill apostates.


The sunnah is much more specific on this matter. Muhammad did say to kill apostates-

Sahih bukhari

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:
Narrated 'Ikrima:

Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'

Pay attention to the last sentance : ' I would have killed them according to the statement of allah's apostle, 'whoever changed his islamic religion, then kill him.'
Quran ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS overwrittes the Haddiths, if the Quran shows that no conversion by force is allowed and that apostates are not punishable by death then thats the TRUTH when it comes to the Quran..
Muhammad brought forward to the teachings of the Quran and I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't follow these teachings himself.

Hadith is full of notes written by OTHERS than Muhammad himself, from people who actually knew him, people who were close to him, people who've never seen him and even people who've never heard of him before but saw the spread of Islam and might've taken their chance to denounce it.

[Lurps]

They Islam they know is the Islam EVERY actual Muslim knows.. They are not bashing how current Muslims follow their religion but Islam and the Holy book itself and everyone has access to the same version regarding that Quran and they simply take verses out of context without showing the entire chapter that most of the time explains the whole situation. What is their motive? Is their claim true that Muhammed was a pedophile?

[Greek soldier]

There is also here a guy that was baptized Christian Orthodox and later he wrote a book titled "Islam: Violence of Faith or Faith of Violence?". Available only in Greek. Need to go and buy it...

[shire19]

What is their motive? Is their claim true that Muhammed was a pedophile?

I can't be sure of their motive...
The paedophile situation with Muhammad is false because AFAIK peadophiles back then didn't exist because it was within the "world" laws to marry underage girls, wheter for political reasons or otherwise.
IslamOnline.com provides an answer to that question if you wanna check it out;

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE&cid=1129443839169

[LaoSexMachine]

People leave different other religions also. What makes this any different?

[eucalyptus]

People leave different other religions also. What makes this any different?
It is Islamophobia week, get with the program

[Lurps]

I can't be sure of their motive...
The paedophile situation with Muhammad is false because AFAIK peadophiles back then didn't exist because it was within the "world" laws to marry underage girls, wheter for political reasons or otherwise.
IslamOnline.com provides an answer to that question if you wanna check it out;

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE&cid=1129443839169 LMAO rofl A 53 year old man sleeps with 8 year old girl, and because it wasnt illegal then it doesnt dicredite his holynes, give me a brake.

[block52]

Quran ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS overwrittes the Haddiths, if the Quran shows that no conversion by force is allowed and that apostates are not punishable by death then thats the TRUTH when it comes to the Quran..

Shire19, please, the quran is full of calls to fight those who disbelieve as well as the hypocrite believers. These verses also were revealed after the insignificant 'no compulsion in religion' verse, and so the no compulsion in religion verse was abrogated.



Muhammad brought forward to the teachings of the Quran and I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't follow these teachings himself.

'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him'... those are his words, they come from an authentic hadith. And muhammad broke his rules all the time, that is why he had to make up suras in the quran to justifiy his contradictory behavior.


Hadith is full of notes written by OTHERS than Muhammad himself, from people who actually knew him, people who were close to him, people who've never seen him and even people who've never heard of him before but saw the spread of Islam and might've taken their chance to denounce it.

yes the hadith is full of this stuff, but scholars during his lifetime and shortly after exhuastively collected the hadith and determined which hadith were authentic. The cited hadith resides in the sahih buhkari hadith - which literally means - buhkari's authentic hadith - every hadith in there is authentic.

[Greek soldier]

It is Islamophobia week, get with the program

Hey eucalyptus, do you know that the half-moon and star combo of your avatar are of Greek origin??;-)

[Argyll]

What the fcuk is going on here?............what's with the slaggin off of the Qu'ran?...........the bible is full of crap too.....

[block52]

I can't be sure of their motive...
The paedophile situation with Muhammad is false because AFAIK peadophiles back then didn't exist because it was within the "world" laws to marry underage girls, wheter for political reasons or otherwise.
IslamOnline.com provides an answer to that question if you wanna check it out;

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE&cid=1129443839169


shire yo are really pushing it man...

Muhammad is the perfect example; muslims all over the world idolize him and seek to act as he acted. His actions are good for all time.

Muhammad, the prophet of god himself, should have known it was wrong to molest and have intercourse with little girls.

[Greek soldier]

Hey Argyll, you need to see the Greek Evangellion... so many craps that even our clergy cannot observe what is original and what is "Byzantine edit". :) :)

[Lurps]

What the fcuk is going on here?............what's with the slaggin off of the Qu'ran?...........the bible is full of crap too..... Read the links. What is with you constantly defending Islam and accusing us of Islamophobia when we raise questions?

[shire19]

LMAO rofl A 53 year old man sleeps with 8 year old girl, and because it wasnt illegal then it doesnt dicredite his holynes, give me a brake.

Well, there is no actual *definite* proof that he slept with her..
He never had any kids with her.

[Whoami88]

People leave different other religions also. What makes this any different?

Under Islamic law he should be killed for disbelieving


Thats the difference, glad to see your safe man

[shire19]

shire yo are really pushing it man...

Muhammad is the perfect example; muslims all over the world idolize him and seek to act as he acted. His actions are good for all time.

Muhammad, the prophet of god himself, should have known it was wrong to molest and have intercourse with little girls.

He molested A'isha? Since you seem to believe everything the Hadith says maybe you should have a look at the narration put forward by A'isha.

[LaoSexMachine]

Well, there is no actual *definite* proof that he slept with her..
He never had any kids with her.

Doesn't mean he never slept with her. She was not in puberty yet

[Whoami88]

Well, there is no actual *definite* proof that he slept with her..
He never had any kids with her.
No **** he didn't have any kids with her, SHE DIDN"T EVEN HIT PUBERTY YET!!

lol, double post

[Ayura]

edit: added this quote for clarification....




This is simple takkiya/kitman (deception). The punishment for leaving islam is clearly death. Muslims are simply hoping that we stupid infidels will take their word about the quran but ignore the sunnah.

The quran does not say to specifically kill someone for leaving islam.

But it should be abundantly clear to anyone who reads the Quran, that hypocrite muslims, non-muslims, athiests, etc, must be killed, subdued into slavery/dhimmitude, or converted. So the quran is no golden book to begin with when it comes to non-muslims/hypocrites, regardless of the fact that it does not say to specifically kill apostates.


The sunnah is much more specific on this matter. Muhammad did say to kill apostates-

Sahih bukhari

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:
Narrated 'Ikrima:

Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'

Pay attention to the last sentance : ' I would have killed them according to the statement of allah's apostle, 'whoever changed his islamic religion, then kill him.'


Care to tell us the time period of when that Hadith took place. Also the military/political situation. I figured not...

Hundreds and hundreds of people during that time pretended to be muslims (the hypocrites) to try and kill the prophet. That quote is time specfic. It is not a command to mankind. I am putting this in simple terms because I have dealth with such claims and over and over. It gets boring.

[Ayura]

Read article discussing Aisha:


Aisha in Islam:

Let's discuss the age of Aisha being 9 when she married our Prophet in Islam!

First of all, it is important to know:

Aisha's parents were the ones who married her to our Prophet, and that no Muslim or even pagan objected to the marriage because it was widely practiced. And even until today in 3rd world countries (Muslims and non-Muslims), little girls as young as 9 or 10 do get married. Anyway, the reason no one objected was to the Prophet's marriage was:

1.
People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. They used to live between 40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.

2.
Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], etc...



It is important to know that girls during the Biblical and Islamic days used to be married off at young ages when they either had their first periods, or their breasts start showing off. In other words, when they turn into "women", then they get married off. It was quite different for men on the other hand, because physical power and the ability of living an independent life had always been and will always be a mandatory requirement for men to have in life. So men waited much longer than women in terms of getting married. The guy had to develop both his body and mind before he was ready for marriage.

That is why you see girls as young as 9 or 10 were married to men as old as 30 or even older. The culture back then and in many third world countries today (NON-MUSLIM ONES TOO) is quite different than what you live in today.



Prophet Muhammad's marriage with Aisha was 100% legal and acceptable by all laws and Divine Religions!



So to call Prophet Muhammad a pedophile for marrying a girl that was OFFERED TO HIM by her parents and was accepted by all of the people back then including the enemies of Islam, the pagans, is quite absurd.


What do you class as paedophilia?

In Argentina, legal age consent is 12. Canada is 14. Uganda is 18. Different people, different cultures, different views.


EDIT - wasn't Mary (pbuh) 12-14 when she had Jesus (pbuh) ?

[LaoSexMachine]

Read article discussing Aisha:




What do you class as paedophilia?

In Argentina, legal age consent is 12. Canada is 14. Uganda is 18. Different people, different cultures, different views.

Defenition of a pedophile


an adult whose primary ****** interest is in children; some professionals make a differentiation between a pedophile, whose ****** partner of choice is a prepubertal child, and a hebephile, who is aroused by adolescents.

[Ayura]

No argument there. How long did people live 1400 years ago? Age expentancy was the same back then then it is now.

[LaoSexMachine]

No argument there. How long did people live 1400 years ago? Age expentancy was the same back then then it is now.

Life expectency back 1400 years ago is not the same as now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy

[Greek soldier]

Back then was on average 35 years... Correct me if I am wrong, because back then tyfoid was killing everyone...

[Ayura]

Whoops, typo error. I ment "wasn't" - my bad.

Salam.

[Greek soldier]

Sucran my friend!!!

[Ayura]

Sucran my friend!!!


Shukran!!!

[block52]

Care to tell us the time period of when that Hadith took place. Also the military/political situation. I figured not...

Hundreds and hundreds of people during that time pretended to be muslims (the hypocrites) to try and kill the prophet. That quote is time specfic. It is not a command to mankind. I am putting this in simple terms because I have dealth with such claims and over and over. It gets boring.


listen Ayura, enough with the deception.

you know damn well that muslims throughout the world believe that unrepentant apostates must be killed. You know why they believe it? Because scholars have examined the issue, and they have released fatwa's explaining that leaving islam is a grave sin and that those who leave it and do not repent must be executed. And they repeatedly cite that verse.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544134

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1119503547222&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaEAskTheScholar


Just as one is executed for deserting the army - a muslim is executed for deserting islam.

[shire19]

listen Ayura, enough with the deception.

you know damn well that muslims throughout the world believe that you must kill people who leave islam. You know why they do it? Because scholars have examined the issue, and they have released fatwa's explaining that leaving islam is a grave sin and that those who leave it and do not repent must be executed. And they repeatedly cite that verse.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544134

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1119503547222&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaEAskTheScholar


Just as one is executed for deserting the army - a muslim is executed for deserting islam.

I wonder why Im still alive then? I live in a community with atleast 5000 muslims, my entire family and friends know I left Islam and many of them are Muslims..
So much for that.

[Greek soldier]

I wonder why Im still alive then? I live in a community with atleast 5000 muslims, my entire family and friends know I left Islam and many of them are Muslims..
So much for that.

And how they accepted this? I guess some of your family mambers fainted out... p-)

[shire19]

And how they accepted this? I guess some of your family mambers fainted out... p-)

They weren't exactly overjoyed to put it lightly lol.
But eventually they came to terms with it.

[Ayura]

listen Ayura, enough with the deception.

you know damn well that muslims throughout the world believe that unrepentant apostates must be killed. You know why they believe it? Because scholars have examined the issue, and they have released fatwa's explaining that leaving islam is a grave sin and that those who leave it and do not repent must be executed. And they repeatedly cite that verse.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544134

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1119503547222&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaEAskTheScholar


Just as one is executed for deserting the army - a muslim is executed for deserting islam.


Salam. Thank you for your post.

I have never trusted Islamonline.com as my friend (An Egyptian who has written hundreds of essays concerning The Noble Qu'ran) told me about the issues of Fatwa.


During the time of Muhammad's (pbuh) reign, people would often ask the Sahabah (people who were friends of the Prophet) about daily life issues and how to deal with them (Fatwas). The Sahabah usually used to be so scared in dealing with a Fatwa (because of the complexities involved) that they would always direct people to another Sahabah.

The point is this - Fatwas need discussion. It is not something you can 'email' someone and get an 'online' response to. It needs extremely careful consideration also. The guy giving the Fatwa gives the most incredibly short answer. People have written volumes and volumes of stuff regarding small things like Wazu (the washing before prayer). The fact he writes such little about such a huge topic challenges my doubt.

It almost looks like to me that you are looking for any possible nut or bolt to fit into the hole of your desires. A famous Jewish saying comes to mind, "if you want desire to find, you will."

Salam.

(p.s. I would appreciate it if you kept your angry tone out from your post. Competition breeds regression. Co-operation breeds progression.)

[block52]

I wonder why Im still alive then? I live in a community with atleast 5000 muslims, my entire family and friends know I left Islam and many of them are Muslims..
So much for that.


We are not talking about your personal life.

We are talking about the punishment for those who leave islam according to islamic law.

If I rob a bank and I am not caught and punished, that does not mean that the law has suddenly changed and that robbing banks is ok.

Islamic law is clear on this issue and I think I have made myself clear.

[Ayura]

We are not talking about your personal life.

We are talking about the punishment for those who leave islam according to islamic law.

If I rob a bank and I am not caught and punished, that does not mean that the law has suddenly changed and that robbing banks is ok.

Islamic law is clear on this issue and I think I have made myself clear.


Salam. You didn't make it clear Shiekh Block.

[Lazy Lob]

Yaal know this Jean Claud Van Damned bugger fellow. Well that film "time cop", go back find this Abraham fellow....etc.....

[Ayura]

Yaal know this Jean Claud Van Damned bugger fellow. Well that film "time cop", go back find this Abraham fellow....etc.....


Quite the random.

[shire19]

We are not talking about your personal life.

We are talking about the punishment for those who leave islam according to islamic law.

If I rob a bank and I am not caught and punished, that does not mean that the law has suddenly changed and that robbing banks is ok.

Islamic law is clear on this issue and I think I have made myself clear.

Nope, you didnt.. It's not like I left Islam in secrecy and never told anyone about it lol

[Lazy Lob]

Quite the random.

Scratch my eyes out

[Ayura]

Your avatar scares me. Making me sweat.

[Lazy Lob]

Your avatar scares me. Making me sweat.
Take a cold shower

[Ayura]

That sucks.

[Lazy Lob]

Hope not.....

[block52]

assalamaleuki,

praise to be allah.

new fatwa by internet shiekh block:

O muslims! Allah's apostle hath said - let there be no compulsion in religion!

To those who reject islam, and do not repent, I say leave them be and do them no harm.

assalimikiduei... amen

praise to be allah

allah know's best,

shiekh block.

[Ayura]

assalamaleuki,

praise to be allah.

new fatwa by internet shiekh block:

O muslims! Allah's apostle hath said - let there be no compulsion in religion!

To those who reject islam, and do not repent, I say leave them be and do them no harm.

assalimikiduei... amen

praise to be allah

allah know's best,

shiekh block.


Thank you for making a fool of yourself. Shiekhs do not simply 'make' up hadiths. You should read about how Bukhari acquired Hadith. Most strict, I'm sure you will agree. Fatwas are done be looking at the information available and applying it properly to the current situation and looking at other matters.


BTW - It's "Assalam Alaikum" not "assalamaleuki," ("Ass-Sal-Am-A-Loo-Key" isn't even Arabic).

As my good friend will say:

http://home.comcast.net/~k_laster/orly.jpeg

Salam.

[Enigma]

listen Ayura, enough with the deception.

you know damn well that muslims throughout the world believe that unrepentant apostates must be killed.
Just as one is executed for deserting the army - a muslim is executed for deserting islam.


chapter 7-"Punishment for Apostasy"
Definition of an Apostate

The Holy Quran states:

They will not stop fighting you until they turn you back from your faith, if they can. The works of those from among you who turn back from their faith and die in a state of disbelief shall be vain in this world and the next. These are the inmates of the fire, therin shall they abide. (2. 218)

This means that whoever, out of fear of the sword (or the pain of punishment), decides to abjure Islam has a fundamental right to do so but no one else has the right to declare him to be an apostate. The right to declare himself to bean apostate lies only with him. Nowhere in the Holy Quran has this right been granted to others. That is to say, one is free to renounce one’s own religion but has no right to impose renunciation of religion on others. According to Islamic teachings, an apostate, therefore, cannot be manufactured by religious scholars or the clergy or any non-tolerant individual or government.

The Holy Quran also states: ‘Surely, those who have turned away after guidance has been made manifest to them have been deceived by Satan who has beguiled them with false hopes.’ (47.26)



Other Verses from the Holy Quran on Apostasy

The Holy Quran says:

O ye who believe, whoso from among you turns back from his religion let him remember that in place of such a person, Allah will soon bring a people whom He will love and who will love Him, who will be kind and considerate towards the believers and firm and unyielding towards the disbelievers. They will strive hard in the cause of Allah and will not at all take to heart the reproaches of fault finders. That is Allah’s grace; He bestows it upon whosoever He pleases. Allah is the Lord of vast bounty, All-Knowing. (5.55)

Whoso disbelieves in Allah after he has believed, excepting the case of one who is forced to make a declaration of disbelief while his heart rests securely in faith, but one who opens his mind wide to disbelief; on him is Allah’s wrath and he shall have a grievous punishment. (16.107)

Those who believe, then disbelieve, then again believe, then disbelieve and thereafter go on increasing in disbelief, Allah will never forgive them, nor guide them to any way of deliverance. (4.138)

Muhammad is but a Messenger; of a surety, all Messengers before him have passed away. If then, he dies or be slain, will you turn back on your heels? He who turns back on his heels shall not harm Allah a whit. Allah will certainly reward the grateful. (3.145)

No corporal punishment can be understood to have been mentioned by any stretch of imagination in the foregoing passages from the Holy Quran.


Surah Al-Tauba

In a desperate search for at least one verse in the Holy Quran which might lend support for death as a Punishment for Apostasy, recourse has been made to verses 12 and 13 of Chapter 9 (Surah AI-Tauba). We quote below verses 3–14 of that chapter. These speak for themselves and defy all attempts on the part of anyone who would have them understood differently:

3. This is a public proclamation on the pan of Allah and His Messenger on the day of the Great Pilgrimage, that Allah is free of all obligation to the idolaters, and so is His Messenger. So now, having witnessed this Sign, if you will repent and make peace, it wilt be better for you; but if you hum away, then know that you cannot frustrate Allah’s design. Warn the disbelievers of a painful chastisement.

4. Excepting those of them with whom you have a pact and who have not defaulted in any respect, nor supported anyone against you. Carry out the obligations you have assumed towards them till the end of their terms. Surely, Allah loves those who are mindful of their obligations.

5. When the period of four months during which hostilities are suspended expires, without the idolaters having settled the terms of peace with you, resume fighting with them and kill them wherever you find them and make them prisoners and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. Then if they repent and observe prayers and pay the zakat, leave them alone. Surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Ever Merciful.

6. If any one of the idolaters seeks asylum with thee, grant him asylum so that he may hear the Word of Allah; then convey him to a place of security for him, for they are a people who lack knowledge.

7. How could there be a guarantee for the idolaters on the part of Allah and His Messenger, except in favor of those with whom you entered into an express treaty at the Sacred Mosque? So long as they carry out their obligations the reunder, you must carry out your obligations. Surely, Allah loves those who are mindful of their obligations.

8. How can there be a guarantee for the others who, if they were to prevail against you, would have no regard for any tie of kinship or pact in respect of you. They seek to please you with words, while their hearts repudiate them; most of them are perfidious.

9. They have bartered the Sign of Allah for small gains and hindered people from His way. Evil indeed is that which they have done.

10. They show no regard for any tie of kinship or any pact in respect of a believer. It is they who are the transgressors.

11. If they repent and observe prayer and pay the zakat, then they are your brethren in faith. We expound our commandments for a people who know.

12. But if they break faith after pledging it and ridicule your religion, then fight these leaders of disbelief that they may desist, for they have no regard for their pledged word.

13. Will you not fight a people who have violated their oaths, who plotted to turn out the Messenger from his home, and who were the first to start hostilities against you? Do you fear them? It is Allah Who is Most Worthy that you should fear Him, if you are believers.

14. Fight them: Allah will punish them at your hands, and will humiliate them, and will help you to overcome them, and will relieve the minds of the believers of fear and distress.

Those who deduce from verses 12 and 13 that the Punishment for Apostasy is death offer no explanation of the contradiction this creates with numerous other verses. These verses relate to the period after the migration from Mecca to Medina (see verse 3) when the Quraish of Mecca had embarked upon hostilities to wipe out Islam by force.

The advocates of capital Punishment for Apostasy should remember that these verses refer to idolaters who have broken their pledges and ridicule religion; there is no mention of people renouncing their faith. They have broken their pledge after their firm commitment to it. Those who have become hostile to your religion are the first to initiate hostilities against you. The permission for you to fight them is restricted to their leaders whose covenants are worthless and false. The permission is given in order to stop them from entering into hostile acts against you.

Excerpt taken from “Murder in the Name of Allah” copyright 1989 by H. Mirza Tahir Ahmad:
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/mna/chapter_7.html

[Greek soldier]

assalamaleuki

Let's the salami alone!!! HAHAHAAHAH!!!

Sukhran for the joke. Yes, afuan will be your reply...

[shocker1]

I wonder why Im still alive then? I live in a community with atleast 5000 muslims, my entire family and friends know I left Islam and many of them are Muslims..
So much for that.
Take a trip to Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. Let everyone you meet know you have left Islam. Then come back and let us know how it went.

[Ayura]

The advocates of capital Punishment for Apostasy should remember that these verses refer to idolaters who have broken their pledges and ridicule religion; there is no mention of people renouncing their faith. They have broken their pledge after their firm commitment to it. Those who have become hostile to your religion are the first to initiate hostilities against you. The permission for you to fight them is restricted to their leaders whose covenants are worthless and false. The permission is given in order to stop them from entering into hostile acts against you.

Time for some history folks :)

Read article (this is quite long, sorry folks, but just hack through it :)):


Name

This Surah is known by two names -- AT-TAUBAH and AL-BARA'AT. It is called AT-TAUBAH because it enunciates the nature of taubah (repentance) and mentions the conditions of its acceptance.(vv. 102. 118). The second name BARA' AT (Release) is taken from the first word of the Surah. Why
Omission of Bismillah

This is the only Surah of the Quran to which Bismillah is not prefixed. Though the commentators have given different reasons for this, the correct one that which has been given by Imam Razi: namely,this is because the Holy Prophet himself did not dictate it at the beginning of the Surah. Therefore the Companions did not prefix it and their successors followed them., This is a further proof of the fact that utmost care has been taken to keep the Quran intact so that it should remain in its complete and original form.

Discourses and Periods of Revelation

This Surah comprises three discourses:-

The first discourse (vv. 1-37), was revealed in Zil-Qa'adah A. H. 9 or thereabout. As the importance of the subject of the discourse required its declaration on the occasion of Haj the Holy Prophet despatched Hadrat Ali to follow Hadrat Abu Bakr, who had already left for Makkah as leader of the Pilgrims to the Ka'abah. He instructed Hadrat Ali to deliver the discourse before the representatives of the different clans of Arabia so as to inform them of the new policy towards the mushriks.

The second discourse (vv., 38-72) was sent down in Rajab A. H. 9 or a little before this, when the Holy Prophet was engaged in making preparations for the Campaign, of Tabuk. In this discourse, the Believers were urged to take active part in Jihad, and the shirkers were severely rebuked for holding back their wealth and for hesitation to sacrifice their lives in the way of Allah because of their hypocrisy, weak faith or negligence.

The third discourse (vv. 73-I 29) was revealed on his return from the Campaign of Tabuk. There are some pieces in this discourse that were sent down on different occasions during the same period and were afterwards consolidated by the Holy Prophet into the Surah in accordance with inspiration from Allah. But this caused no interruption in its continuity because they dealt with the same subject and formed part of the same series of events. This discourse warns the hypocrites of their evil deeds and rebukes those Believers who had stayed behind in the Campaign of Tabuk. Then after taking them to task, Allah pardons those true Believers who had not taken part in the Jihad in the Way of Allah for one reason or the other.

Chronologically, the first discourse should have come last; but being the most important of the three in regard to its subject-matter, it was placed first in the order of compilation.
Historical Background

Now let us consider the historical background of the Surah. The series of events that have been discussed in this Surah took place after the Peace Treaty of Hudaibiyah. By that time, one-third of Arabia had come under the sway of Islam which had established itself as a powerful, well organized and civilized Islamic State. This Treaty afforded further opportunities to Islam to spread its influence in the comparatively peaceful atmosphere created by it. After this Treaty, two events took place, which led to very important results:
Conquest of Arabia

The first was the Conquest of Arabia. The Holy Prophet was able to send missions among different clans for the propagation of Islam. The result was that during the short period of two years, it became such a great power that it made the old order of ignorance' feel helpless before it. So much so that the zealous elements from among the Quraish were so exasperated that they broke the Treaty in order to encounter Islam in a decisive combat. But the Holy Prophet took prompt action after the breach so as not to allow them any opportunity to gather enough force for this. He made a sudden invasion on Makkah in the month of Ramadan in A. H. 8 and conquered it. Though this conquest broke the backbone of the order of ignorance, it made still another attack on Islam in the battle-field of Hunain, which proved to be its death-knell. The clans of Hawazin Thaqif, Naur, Jushm and others gathered their entire forces in the battle field in order to crush the reformative Revolution, but they utterly failed in their evil designs. The defeat of 'ignorance' at Hunain paved the way for making the whole of Arabia the 'Abode of Islam' (Dar-ul-Islam). The result was that hardly a year had Passed after the Battle of Hunain, when the major portion of Arabia came within the fold of Islam and only a few upholders of the old order remained scattered over some corners of the country.

The second event that contributed towards making Islam a formidable power was the Campaign of Tabuk, which was necessitated by the provocative activities of the Christians living within or near the boundaries of the Roman Empire to the north of Arabia. Accordingly, the Holy Prophet, with an army of thirty thousand marched boldly towards the Roman Empire but the Romans evaded the encounter. The result was that the power of the Holy Prophet and Islam increased manifold and deputations from all corners of Arabia began to wait upon him on his return from Tabuk in order to offer their allegiance to Islam and obedience to him. The Holy Quran has described this triumph in Surah AN-NASR: "When the succour of Allah came and victory was attained and you saw people entering the fold of Islam in large numbers...
Campaign to Tabuk

The Campaign to Tabuk was the result of conflict with the Roman Empire, that had started even before the conquest of Makkah. One of the missions sent after the Treaty of Hudaibiyah to different parts of Arabia visited the clans which lived in the northern areas adjacent to Syria. The majority of these people were Christians, who were under the influence of the Roman Empire. Contrary to all the principles of the commonly accepted international law, they killed fifteen members of the delegation near a place known as Zat-u-Talah (or Zat-i-Itlah). Only Ka'ab bin Umair Ghifari, the head of the delegation, succeeded in escaping and reporting the sad incident. Besides this, Shurahbll bin Amr, the Christian governor of Busra, who was directly under the Roman Caesar, had also put to death Haritli bin Umair, the ambassador of the Holy Prophet, who had been sent to him on a similar minion.

These events convinced the Holy Prophet that a strong action should be taken in order to make the territory adjacent to the Roman Empire safe and secure for the Muslims. Accordingly, in the month of Jamadi-ul-Ula A. H. 8, he sent an army of three thousand towards the Syrian border. When this army reached near Ma'an, the Muslims learnt that Shurahbil was marching with an army of one hundred thousand to fight-with them and that the Caesar, who himself was at Hims, had sent another army consisting of one hundred thousand soldiers under his brother Theodore. But in spite of such fearful news, the brave small band of the Muslims marched on fearlessly and encountered the big army of Shurahbil at M'utah. And the result of the encounter in which the Muslims were fighting against fearful odds (the ratio of the two armies was 1:33), as very favorable, for the enemy utterly failed to defeat them. This proved very helpful for the propagation of Islam. As a result, those Arabs who were living in a state of semi. independence in Syria and near Syria and the clans of Najd near Iraq, who were under the influence of the Iranian Empire, turned towards Islam and embraced it in thousands. For example, the people of Bani Sulaim (whose chief was Abbas bin Mirdas Sulaimi), Ashja'a, Ghatafan, Zubyan, Fazarah, etc., came into the fold of Islam at the same time. Above all, Farvah bin 'Amral Juzami, who was the commander of the Arab armies of the Roman Empire, embraced Islam during that time, and underwent the trial of his Faith in a way that filled the whole territory with wonder. When the Caesar came to know that Farvah had embraced Islam, he ordered that he should be arrested and brought to his court. Then the Caesar said to him, "You will have to choose one of the two things. Either give up your Islam and win your liberty and your former rank, or remain a Muslim and face death." He calmly chose Islam and sacrificed his life in the way of the Truth.

No wonder that such events as these made the Caesar realize the nature of the danger that was threatening his Empire from Arabia. Accordingly, in 9 A. H. he began to make military preparations to avenge the insult he had suffered at M'utah. The Ghassanid and other Arab chiefs also began to muster armies under him. When the Holy Prophet, who always kept himself well-informed even of the minutest things that could affect the Islamic Movement favorably or adversely, came to know of these preparations, he at once under- stood their meaning. Therefore, without the least hesitation he decided to fight against the great power of the Caesar. He knew that the show of the slightest weakness would result in the utter failure of the Movement which was facing three great dangers at that time. First the dying power of 'ignorance' that had almost been crushed in the battle-field of Hunain might revive again. Secondly, the Hypocrites of Al: Madinah, who were always on the look-out for such an opportunity, might make full use of this to do the greatest possible harm to it. For they had already made preparations for this and had, through a monk called Abu Amir, sent secret messages of their evil designs to the Christian king of Ghassan and the Caesar himself. Besides this, they had also built a mosque near Al-Madinah for holding secret meetings for this purpose. The third danger was of an attack by the Caesar himself, who had already defeated Iran, the other great power of that period, and filled with awe the adjacent territories.

It is obvious that if all these three elements had been given an opportunity of taking a concerted action against the Muslims, Islam would have lost the fight it had almost won. That is why in this case the Holy Prophet made an open declaration for making preparations for the Campaign against the Roman Empire, which was one of the two greatest empires of the world of that period. The declaration was made though all the apparent circumstances were against such a decision: for there was famine in the country and the long awaited crops were about to ripen: the burning heat of the scorching summer season of Arabia was at, its height and there was not enough money for preparations in general, and for equipment and conveyance in particular. But in spite of these handicaps, when the Messenger of Allah realized the urgency of the occasion, he took this step which was to decide whether the Mission of the Truth was - - going to survive or perish. The very fact that he made an open declaration for making preparations for such a campaign to Syria against the Roman Empire showed how important it was, for this was contrary to his previous practice. Usually he took every precaution not to reveal beforehand the direction to which he was going nor the name of the enemy whom he was going to attack; nay, he did not move out of Al- Madinah even in the direction of the campaign.

All the parties in Arabia fully realized the grave consequences of this critical decision. The remnants of the lovers of the old order of 'ignorance' were anxiously waiting for the result of the Campaign, for they had pinned all their hopes on the defeat of Islam by the Romans. The 'hypocrites' also considered it to be their last chance of crushing the power of Islam by internal rebellion, if the Muslims suffered a defeat in Syria. They had, therefore, made full use of the Mosque built by them for hatching plots and had employed all their devices to render the Campaign a failure. On the other side, the true Believers also realized fully that the fate of the Movement for which they had been exerting their utmost for the last 22 years was now hanging in the balance. If they showed courage on that critical occasion, the doors of the whole outer world would be thrown open for the Movement to spread. But if they showed weakness or cowardice, then all the work they had done in Arabia would -end in smoke.

That is why these lovers of Islam began to make enthusiastic preparations for the Campaign. Everyone of them tried to surpass the other in making contributions for the provision of equipment for it. Hadrat Uthman and Hadrat Abdur Rehman bin Auf presented large sums of money for this purpose. Hadrat Umar contributed half of the earnings of his life and Hadrat Abu Bakr the entire earnings of his life. The indigent Companions did not lag behind and presented whatever they could earn by the sweat of their labor and the women parted with their ornaments. Thousands of volunteers, who were filled with the desire of sacrificing their lives for Islam, came to the Holy Prophet and requested that arrangements for weapons and conveyance be made for them so that they should join the expedition. Those who could not be provided with these shed tears of sorrow; the scene was so pathetic that it made the Holy Prophet sad because of his inability to arm them. In short, the occasion became the touchstone for discriminating a true believer from a hypocrite. For, to lag behind in the Campaign meant that the very relationship of a person to Islam was doubtful. Accordingly, whenever a person lagged behind during the journey to Tabuk, the Holy Prophet, on being informed, would spontaneously say, "Leave him alone. If there be any good in him, Allah will again join him with you, and if there be no good in him, then thank Allah that He relieved you of his evil company".

In short, the Holy Prophet marched out towards Syria in Rajab A. H. 9, with thirty thousand fighters for the cause of Islam. The conditions in which the expedition was undertaken may be judged from the fact that the number of camels with them was so small that many of them were obliged to walk on foot and to wait for their turns for several had to ride at a time on each camel. To add to this, there was the burning heat of the desert and the acute shortage of water. But they were richly rewarded for their firm resolve and sincere adherence to the cause and for their perseverance in the face of those great difficulties and obstacles.

When they arrived at Tabuk, they learnt that the Caesar and his allies had withdrawn their troops from the frontier and there was no enemy to fight with. Thus they won a moral victory that increased their prestige manifold and, that too, without shedding a drop of blood.

In this connection, it is pertinent to point out that the general impression given by the historians of the campaigns of the Holy Prophet about the Campaign of Tabuk is not correct. They relate the event in a way as if the news of the mustering of the Roman armies near the Arabian frontier was itself false. The fact is that the Caesar had begun to muster his armies, but the Holy Prophet forestalled him and arrived on the scene before he could make full preparations for the invasion. Therefore, believing that "discretion is the better part of valor," he withdrew his armies from the frontier. For he had not forgotten that the three thousand fighters for the cause of Islam had rendered helpless his army one hundred thousand strong at M'utah. He could not, therefore, even with an army of two hundred thousand, dare to fight against an army of thirty thousand, and that, too, under the leadership of the Holy Prophet himself.

When the Holy Prophet found that the Caesar had withdrawn his forces from the frontier, he considered thee question whether it would be worthwhile to march into the Syrian territory or to halt at Tabuk and turn his moral victory to political and strategical advantage. He decided on the latter course and made a halt for twenty days at Tabuk. During this time, he brought pressure on the small states that lay between the Roman Empire and the Islamic State and were at that time under the influence of the Romans, and subdued and made them the tributaries of the Islamic State. For instance, some Christian chiefs Ukaidir bin Abdul Malik Kindi of Dumatul Jaiidal, Yuhanna bin D'obah of Allah, and the chiefs of Maqna, Jarba' and Azruh also submitted and agreed to pay Jizyah to the Islamic State of Al- Madinah. As a result of this, the boundaries of the Islamic State were extended right up to the Roman Empire, and the majority of the Arab clans, who were being used by the Caesar against Arabia, became the allies of the Muslims against the Romans.

Above all, this moral victory of Tabuk afforded a golden opportunity to the Muslims to strengthen their hold on Arabia before entering into a long conflict with the Romans. For it broke the back of those who had still been expecting that the old order of 'ignorance' might revive in the near future, whether they were the open upholders of shirk or the hypocrites who were hiding their shirk under the garb of Islam. The majority of such people were compelled by the force of circumstances to enter into the fold of Islam and, at least, make it possible for their descendants to become true Muslims. After this a mere impotent minority of the upholders of the old order was left in the field, but it could not stand in the way of the Islamic Revolution for the perfection of which Allah had sent His Messenger.
Problems of the Period

If we keep in view the preceding background, we can easily find out the problems that were confronting the Community at that time. They were:

1. to make the whole of Arabia a perfect Dar-ul-Islam,

2. to extend the influence of Islam to the adjoining countries,

3. to crush the mischiefs of the hypocrites, and

4. to prepare the Muslims for Jihad against the non- Muslim world.

1. Now that the administration of the whole of Arabia had come in the hands of the Believers, and all the opposing powers had become helpless, it was necessary to make a clear declaration of that policy which was to be adopted to make her a perfect Dar-ul-Islam. Therefore the following measures were adopted:

1. A clear declaration was made that all the treaties with the mushriks were abolished and the Muslims would be released from the treaty obligations with them after a respite of four months.(vv. 1-3). This declaration was necessary for uprooting completely the system of life based on shirk and to make Arabia exclusively the center of Islam so that it should not in any way interfere with the spirit of Islam nor become an internal danger for it.

2. A decree was issued that the guardianship of the Ka`abah, which held central position in all the affairs of Arabia, should be wrested from the mushriks and placed permanently in the hands of the Believers, (vv. 12-18) that all the customs and practices of the shirk of the era of 'ignorance' should be forcibly abolished: that the mushriks should not be allowed even to come near the "House" (v. 28). This was to eradicate every trace of shirk from the "House" that was dedicated exclusively to the worship of Allah.

3. The evil practice of Nasi, by which they used to tamper with the sacred months in the days of 'ignorance', was forbidden as an act of kufr(v. 37). This was also to serve as an example to the Muslims for eradicating every vestige of the customs of ignorance from the life of Arabia (and afterwards from the lives of the Muslims everywhere).

2. In order to enable the Muslims to extend the influence of Islam outside Arabia, they were enjoined to crush with sword the non- Muslim powers and to force them to accept the sovereignty of the Islamic State. As the great Roman and Iranian Empires were the biggest hindrances in the way, a conflict with them was inevitable. The object of Jihad was not to coerce them to accept Islam they were free to accept or not to accept it-but to prevent them from thrusting forcibly their deviations upon others and the coming generations. The Muslims were enjoined to tolerate their misguidance only to the extent that they might have the freedom to remain misguided, if they chose to be so, provided that they paid Jizyah (v. 29) as a sign of their subjugation to the Islamic State.

3. The third important problem was to crush the mischiefs of the hypocrites, who had hitherto been tolerated in spite of their flagrant crimes. Now that there was practically no pressure upon them from outside, the Muslims were enjoined to treat them openly as disbelievers (v. 73). Accordingly, the Holy Prophet set on fire the house of Swailim, where the hypocrites used to gather for consultations in order to dissuade the people from joining the expedition to Tabuk. Likewise on his return from Tabuk, he ordered to pull down and burn the 'Mosque' that had been built to serve as a cover for the hypocrites for hatching plots against the true Believers.

4. In order to prepare the Muslims for Jihad against the whole non-Muslim world, it was necessary to cure them even of that slight weakness of faith from which they were still suffering. For there could be no greater internal danger to the Islamic Community than the weakness of faith, especially where it was going to engage itself single-handed in a' conflict with the whole non-Muslim world. That is why those people who had lagged behind in the Campaign to Tabuk or had shown the least negligence were severely taken to task, and were considered as hypocrites if they had no plausible excuse for not fulfilling that obligation. Moreover, a clear declaration was made that in future the sole criterion of a Muslim's faith shall be the exertions he makes for the uplift of the Word of Allah and the role he plays in the conflict between Islam and kufr. Therefore, if anyone will show any hesitation in sacrificing his life, money, time and energies, his faith shall not be regarded as genuine. (vv. 81-96).

If the above-mentioned important points are kept in view during the study of this Surah, it will facilitate the understanding of its contents.

Subject: Problems of Peace and War

In continuation of Surah AL-ANFAL, this Surah also deals with the problems of peace and war and bases the theme on the Tabuk Expedition.
Topics and their Interconnection

This portion deals with the sanctity of treaties and lays down principles, rules and regulations which must be kept in view before breaking them, in case the other party does not observe them sincerely. 1 - 12

In this portion the Muslims have been urged to fight in the Way of Allah with the mushrik Arabs, the Jews and the Christians, who were duly warned of the consequences of their mischievous and inimical behaviour. 13 - 37

In this discourse, the Muslims have been told clearly and explicitly that they will inherit the rewards promised by Allah only if they take active part in the conflict with kufr, for that is the criterion which distinguishes true Muslims from hypocrites. Therefore true Muslims should take active part in Jihad, without minding dangers, obstacles, difficulties, temptations and the like. 38 - 72

This portion deals with the problems of hypocrites and lays down rules and regulations governing the treatment that should be meted out to them and points out their distinctive marks from true Muslims. 73 - 90

This portion deals with the case of those who remained behind and did not accompany the Holy Prophet for Jihad to Tabuk. For this purpose they have been separated in different categories, that is, the disabled, the sick, the indigent, the hypocrites, the believers who realized their guilt and punished themselves before the return of the Holy Prophet from Tabuk and those who confessed their error. Their cases have been dealt with in accordance with the nature and extent of their offence. 91 - 110

In order to make their noble qualities look all the more conspicuous and dignified by contrast, the characteristics of the Believers have been mentioned, and they have been reassured that Allah, the Sovereign of the Universe, is their helper and guardian. Accordingly, because of their sincerity, He has forgiven the Three Believers who did not take part in the expedition. 111 - 118

In the concluding portion, general instructions have been given to the Believers for their guidance. 119 - 127

This is the conclusion: "Follow the Messenger who is gentle and compassionate and your greatest well-wisher, and trust in Allah, the Lord of the Universe". 128 - 129

[shire19]

Take a trip to Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. Let everyone you meet know you have left Islam. Then come back and let us know how it went.

I've taken several trips to my home country Somalia, does that count?

[Ayura]

Take a trip to Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. Let everyone you meet know you have left Islam. Then come back and let us know how it went.

I hate the Saudi Government. Me and my hundred friends :)

[shocker1]

I hate the Saudi Government. Me and my hundred friends :)
Me too.. I wish my goverment would not support them. Everyone wants to say Iran is the center of terrorisim but the Saudis should take this title.


shire19
I've taken several trips to my home country Somalia, does that count?

Counts for you, thats a dangerous place.