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ArchDeacon
02-06-2006, 10:47 PM
Interesting Article I received via e-mail, please forgive if RMM.

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." --Sir Winston Churchill

The man in charge Iran's secret nuclear program believes the apocalypse will happen in his own lifetime. He'll be 50 in October. The average life expectancy of an Iranian male "ain't" very much beyond fifty either at 68.58 years.

So here's the backstory: Iran has a Shiite religious sect known as the "Twelver" sect. Iran's dominant "Twelver" sect holds that Mohammed ibn Hasan (aka Mahdi) is the suggested righteous descendant of the Prophet Mohammad and is said to have gone into "occlusion" in the 9th century, at the age of five. They say that he will return and that this return will be preceded by cosmic chaos, war, bloodshed and pestilence. After this cataclysmic confrontation between "the forces of good and evil" it is believed that the Mahdi will then lead the world to an era of universal peace. (Sidebar: This sounds strangely similar to the New Testament second coming of Christ doesn't it? The earliest complete manuscript of the Koran is 200 AH or 800AD. You can work the other dates out for yourself and draw your on conclusions.)

So the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad http://www.scgonline.net/DI/LeaderBios/MahmoudAhmadinejad.html buys into this. But worse, his Shiite creed has convinced him that HE (a "lesser mortal") not only can influence, but also hasten the awaited return of the 12th imam Mahdi. So we now have a radical Shiite who believes that chaos, bloodshed and pestilence is necessary before his religious beliefs can be realized AND he believes that he can make it all happen AND he is in the process of creating nuclear weapons. What a nice scenario.

The Iranian President reckons the return of the imam who has been AWOL for 11 centuries is only two years away. Ahmadinejad is religiously close to the Hojjatieh Society, which is governed by the conviction the 12th imam's return will be hastened by "the creation of chaos on Earth." He has fired Iran's most experienced diplomats and scores of other officials, presumably those who don't share his belief in apocalyptic conflagration.

The Iranian leader's finger on a nuclear trigger would be disquieting under any circumstances but it is positively alarming to have a nuclear weapon in the hands of a man who badgers Israel, the United States and the European Union in the belief that a pre-emptive aerial attack on Iran's nuclear facilities will hasten the return of the missing Mahdi. Such an attack presumably would trigger anti-Western mayhem throughout the Middle East.

When he became Iran's sixth president since the 1979 revolution last summer, Ahmadinejad decided to donate $20 million to the Jamkaran mosque, a popular pilgrimage site where the faithful can drop their missives to the "hidden imam" in a holy well. Tehran's working class faithful are convinced the new president and his Cabinet signed a "compact" pledging themselves to precipitate the return of the Mahdi -- and dropped it down Jamkaran's well with the Mahdi's zip code.

In Ahmadinejad's eyes, Iran is strong with oil inching up to $70 a barrel and America, dependent on foreign oil, is weak in their eyes. He has said publicly America and Europe have far more to lose than Iran if the U.N. Security Council votes for tough economic sanctions.

A top Ahmadinejad general, Brig.-Gen. Mohammad Kossari, who heads the political watchdog, or Security Bureau, of Iran's armed forces, recently taunted the United States when he bragged: "We have identified all the weak points of our enemies" and have sufficient cannon fodder -- i.e., suicide operation volunteers -- "ready to strike at these sensitive locations." Iranian television recently broadcast an animated film for Iranian children glorifying suicide bombers. Boy that's a nice way to help jumpstart the future generation, eh?

So far, Ahmadinejad appears to have his religious rear well covered. His ideological mentor and spiritual guide is Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi who heads the ultra-conservative acolytes who believe the return of the 12th imam is "imminent."

The son of a blacksmith, Ahmadinejad earned a doctoral degree in engineering and is a former member of Iran's notorious Revolutionary Guards at a time when dissidents and "counter-revolutionaries" were being executed by the thousands. Dr. A.Q. Khan, the father of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal, first showed Iran how to build a nuclear weapon 18 years ago. Khan also opened his nuclear black market to Iranian engineers and scientists.

The Bush administration is anxious to clear the decks in a democratic Iraq before facing the Islamist counterpart of the "Rapture" in the "Left Behind" series of books on the end of times by Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins. President Bush says all options are on the table. But the military option is probably the one the "twelvers" would look forward to. Some think tank strategic thinkers in Washington argue if Iran's Dr. Strangelove attacked Israel with a nuclear weapon, five Iranian cities would be vaporized next day.

It might behoove the United States to sit down with "axis of evil" Iran to find out if the MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) doctrine that kept the USSR and the United States at peace for half a century could still be made to work. In any event, one would have to be irredeemably myopic not to see that Iran has an active nuclear weapons program. The only question is how far this secret program is from delivering a useable weapon and then fitting it in the nose cone of a Shahab-3 missile with the range to reach Israel. The Israeli air force will be "overhead" Iran long before that.

stupify
02-06-2006, 11:05 PM
Sounds just like something from Nostrodamus. I don't post that to be a smart aleck either. I read that in a book that was given to me.

BloodyTalon
02-06-2006, 11:08 PM
So the president of Iran thinks he will be the catalyst for Islam's apocalypse.

Great...just ****in great...

Kilgor
02-06-2006, 11:20 PM
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." --Sir Winston Churchill


Hes quotes are just awesome

Limeyfellow
02-06-2006, 11:21 PM
How is that any different than what we have in the US. We have the president meeting with over a dozen apocalyptic Christian groups who believe US foreign policy should resolve around bring about the endtime so Jesus can return at the apocalypse in their views on invading Iraq and questions of the middle east to see if it concurs with their views on prophecy?

The problem is we have nutjob fundamentalists on everyside like this that can't cope with life so they want to bring about some happy future by being decieved into thinking its the endtime. People have been saying the same damn thing for over 5000 years and will continue to do so. It causes an assortment of problems as why should they deal with the poor, conflicts, disease, lack of amenities for people around the world, saving to help the future generations, when its going to end any time about now. Its rather sad.

shocker1
02-07-2006, 12:04 AM
How is that any different than what we have in the US. We have the president meeting with over a dozen apocalyptic Christian groups who believe US foreign policy should resolve around bring about the endtime so Jesus can return at the apocalypse in their views on invading Iraq and questions of the middle east to see if it concurs with their views on prophecy?

The problem is we have nutjob fundamentalists on everyside like this that can't cope with life so they want to bring about some happy future by being decieved into thinking its the endtime. People have been saying the same damn thing for over 5000 years and will continue to do so. It causes an assortment of problems as why should they deal with the poor, conflicts, disease, lack of amenities for people around the world, saving to help the future generations, when its going to end any time about now. Its rather sad.
You are right.... I am a Christian and those groups you speak of are not true Christian fundamentalists. The teachings of Christ tell us to leave those foretold events up to him. We have no power to make the so called "endtime" come. We are to do exactly what you said house the homeless, feed the poor, love your enemies and so on. So if Bush were follow these teachings as my Lord taught then Air Force One would land in Tehran tomorrow. He would Talk to our enemy instead of sitting at the White House and not talking at all to Iran. At least then he would be seen as a Peacmaker for a change. Americans may not like the ways of the middle east but how can we see the splinter in another mans eye with a log in our own.

black templar
02-07-2006, 12:13 AM
You are right.... I am a Christian and those groups you speak of are not true Christian fundamentalists. The teachings of Christ tell us to leave those foretold events up to him. We have no power to make the so called "endtime" come. We are to do exactly what you said house the homeless, feed the poor, love your enemies and so on. So if Bush were follow these teachings as my Lord taught then Air Force One would land in Tehran tomorrow. He would Talk to our enemy instead of sitting at the White House and not talking at all to Iran. At least then he would be seen as a Peacmaker for a change. Americans may not like they ways of the middle east but how can we see the splinter in another mans eye with a log in our own.


If there was only one religion all this might had happened. But we have many.
How about Live and let live. Try telling that to F&*&* mullahs and idiots in the streets.

shocker1
02-07-2006, 12:17 AM
If there was only one religion all this might had happened. But we have many.
How about Live and let live. Try telling that to F&*&* mullahs and idiots in the streets.
They wouldn't listen, thats why I voted for Bush..

One?
02-07-2006, 12:21 AM
Benny Hin went to Israel and he showed the preperations for the day of judgement. Jewish priests and evanglists belive the end of days will happen in our lifetime.

Rebuilding the temple, builkding the furniture, choosing the priests, choosing the clothes etc...

soprano
02-07-2006, 12:41 AM
no offence to anyone but benny hin is raelly kind of a joke i saw a dateline special with him and he seems more intrested in driveing bmws jaguars and shopping at versace than preaching the word of god.

P.S.please dont burn down the US embassy its just my opinion

black templar
02-07-2006, 05:52 AM
Just because a person is a Christian doesnt mean he will kill for the church or priests or pope or cardinals or bishops etc etcs. Unlike all the moselms who will divorce his wife so that she becomes his fathers bride if the local mullah issued a fatwa. This actualy happened in India. A persons wife was raped by his father. Mullahs issued a fatwa that the women should divorce the son and marry the father. So if you want your way of life to be the same stand up and fight. If they can boycott your products you can also do the same. Dont give any to charities who pay these idiots bills. All this is a two way street. You get some and you give some.

tsuri
02-07-2006, 06:05 AM
I heard about that in my Political Philosophy Lecure. It DOES explain a lot.
But one does not know if he really follows the sect´s ideology as he does not really talk about the end of days very often.

shocker1
02-08-2006, 10:17 PM
ISNA
A new version of the Imam’s myth is now shown by Ahamadinejad. The president of the IRI, who has an infamous record for his role in the firing squads, torture, terrorism and all kinds Islamist and extreme right tendencies, is now engaged in many bizarre stories and rumors circulating about his relations with the Hidden Imam.
As for the Hidden Imam, it seems he will not be quite as hidden as might be. The new IRI’s presidentbelieves that he has been assigned to pave the way for the reappearance of the Imam in two years. The president has even during his recent controversial speech at the UN, where he was allegedly surrounded and protected by a “divine light”, called for the Imam’s reappearance.
Trough these allegations, he is not only trying to gain a holy status among those who do not attribute him a charismatic personality, but is also likely trying to prepare some conditions for his divine mission. The next two years will be probably marked by increasing tensions between the devoted followers of the Hidden Imam following controversial views about the Imam’s reappearance.
The president is in an effort of giving himself an important impression. He presents himself as reincarnation of legendary hero from religious fiction. He dreams of being assigned an enlightened or saint, someone who is protected by divine light for divine missions, a gift to the Islamic world. In the most hypocritical manner, he wears and acts as an example of a non-corrupt Islamic leader. Apparently, he seems to be holding back enough to be quite busy with other ambition -- he may ultimately play the role of the Hidden Imam himself, if the promised Imam does not physically reappear in two years. What he needs is a plan of preparation and manipulation of the signs indicating the Imam’s reappearance.

This is what motivates Iran's leadership not their right to nuclear power.