The end of the Swedish defence?

[Parzival]

The Defence minister and our highest miltary commander have suggest that over 30% of our Defence will be gone in a period of 5-7 year. Our Defence is already to small and we need a larger Defnce, NOT Even larger. Our naive government think the americans and the largest EUropean Country will do the dirty job. they think the americans or UK, France would defend us if some country attack us. And we swedes just sitting in the sun. No one knows how the world situation is in 10 years. Who knows.

Check this video for more information: http://www.dn.se/DNet/road/Classic/article/12/jsp/mediaPop.jsp?a=238593&d=10&redirectTo=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tt.se%2Fmm%2Fttvideo.asp%3Fv%3D10315%26f%3Dwm%26fr%3Ddn&mediaType=moviefile&mediaFile=external-link

[Javehn]

well , it's not like Sweden really neads serious Army . Fins don't want to attack you just for your lovely babes .
Why not taking the money and invest it in something more productive (with all my respect to military , it is the last institution on planet that can be called productive ) .

[Backis]

Our naive government think the americans and the largest EUropean Country will do the dirty job. they think the americans or UK, France would defend us if some country attack us. And we swedes just sitting in the sun.

Amazing.. Did GP himself confide this to you? :roll:

:bash:

[Parzival]

well , it's not like Sweden really neads serious Army . Fins don't want to attack you just for your lovely babes .
Why not taking the money and invest it in something more productive (with all my respect to military , it is the last institution on planet that can be called productive ) .The world is not safety, The world is absolutly not safe. Sweden need a large army to helpt other countrys. The Europe would probaly never do nothing against the balkan conflict without USA.

[Backis]

Sweden need a large army to helpt other countrys.

No, Sweden needs an effective army, most likeley working within an international framework like WEU, PFP or even NATO, to do what you wish (wich btw is not necessarily the will of Swedes in general).

What is new is that there ARE statements that Swedish forces are to prepare for foreign mission to a greater degree than before.

Vacon, try to rant on something you at least a minimal grasp about, will you...

[Marmot1]

WHERE ARE PHOTOS IN THIS THREAD

[KalleBalleSvartSk@lle]

There are three parties helping each other out governing this country, two of those are openly pacifistic so it wasn't really unexpected.

And yes this should have been posted somewhere else.

[Marmot1]

he he reduce.. reduce... and one day we invade you...

[Dalleer]

Photos, photos, photos...

The first ones are quite old and must have been seen here before, but this topic needed pictures

http://www.wendel.se/rswa/images/stdssk2.jpg

http://www.wendel.se/rswa/images/stdssk9.jpg

http://www.wendel.se/rswa/images/ing1.jpg

Some Swedish engineers doing their "work".

http://www.wendel.se/rswa/images/ing7.jpg

And finally, anti-tank stuff

http://www.wendel.se/rswa/images/VAPEN_OH8.jpg

http://www.wendel.se/rswa/images/VAPEN_OH9.jpg

http://www.wendel.se/rswa/images/VAPEN_OH7.jpg

Most of you must have seen these before, but this thread required quick action and here is the result.

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Everything stolen from

http://www.wendel.se/rswa/index.htm

[Sleeping Sun]

Why would they need a big army? Finland is still between them and the russians(=the only considerable threat for the swedes in some kind of worst case scenario of the future). Just like in the second world war. ;)

[unwanted]

Vacon why didnt you just post this in the "General Discussion" section of the forum .. why is it so hard to post stuff in the right place .. :bash:

[Dalleer]

Vacon why didnt you just post this in the "General Discussion" section of the forum .. why is it so hard to post stuff in the right place .. :bash:

You know, I completely agree with you until the point when I posted the pictures.

To make up for it, how about the new moderators use their divine powers and move this topic to another category despite the pictures in it since it does feel a bit "out of place".

[mustamato]

Well there usually comes sometime good out of even the bad things. The swedish
defence forces may be a joke today. But a even bigger joke is the swedish
police. Call them because your car has had a burglary and they´ll say that
"sorry, we don´t have time to come", call them because youre girlfriend has
been raped "okey, we come in 2 hours", it´s not like it´s the police officers
fault, they are just terrible underfunded and many small cities have police stations
that is only open from 8-16 (dohhh!).

Many of the billions saved will be used to get more police officers etc. And personally
I think that´s better in a "possible terrorist enviroment" than soldiers. I mean, the
swedish defence forces has not been credible for the last few years anyway, this
is not exactly the first slaughter. Once Sweden had 36 brigades (early 90´s I think,
or was it late 80´s, hm). Sweden doesn´t have even one division today, more than
on the paper of course. So now it´s only costing money without even being credible,
so well yeah. Fokk it, it was fun as long as it lasted, but RIP now.

And as for the Russians attacking Sweden thru Finland, well, Finland still have
their 21 brigades and all are being modernized accordingly (Spike ATGM, new
IFV, APC, Leopard 2´s etc). During the second world war Sweden was highly
involved in building a defensive position in Finland, Swedish workers and Swedish
money, with the Swedish defence forces in a big RIP, I think the Swedes will be
more interested in supporting the Finnish defence forces in the future, because
it kind of also protects them.

[Parzival]

Vacon why didnt you just post this in the "General Discussion" section of the forum .. why is it so hard to post stuff in the right place .. :bash:Becouse some of the peapole on militaryphotos.net never check the General forum. That's why. Like a guy post the COmanche Interupt here.

[Dalleer]

Vacon why didnt you just post this in the "General Discussion" section of the forum .. why is it so hard to post stuff in the right place .. :bash:Becouse some of the peapole on militaryphotos.net never check the General forum. That's why. Like a guy post the COmanche Interupt here.

Mr. Vacon, that's not exactly a very solid excuse for it. If the rules state that the "Photos/Videos"-section is reserved only for topics with pictures or videos then they must include one or both of the above mentioned material.

Your "nobody checks the general-forum" is not solid, since I'm sure that people watch it very frequently.

[Uninen]

End? Hadly so? As the plans calls for 200 000 strong professional force.. something like USMC.. and actually some 20 000 stronger.. ;)

[mustamato]

End? Hadly so? As the plans calls for 200 000 strong professional force.. something like USMC.. and actually some 20 000 stronger.. ;)

There is no will from the politicans to pay for that. My guess would rather be
a brigade of about 5000 soldiers, all professionals in the future, their main task
would be international missions. In one of the proposals, where another -6 billion
swedish Kronor will be saved from the budget, that would mean that the whole
swedish Hemvärnet will be scrapped, as will all tanks etc. :cantbeli:

By the way, in a article in the respected finnish newspaper Helsingin Sanomat
the finnish president Tarja Halonen criticised Sweden today for their defence
policy, saying shortly "we don´t leave the burden for other countries" as she
obviously accused Sweden to do.

"Now Sweden is hiding behind Finland again" rofl

[OnTheRocks]

This is depressing.
Again we rely on other countries to defend us.
Im sick and tired of us being a neutral country.
I say scrap healthcare and kick all the old people out of sweden, sell Stockholm to the States and reconquer Europe by force!

[Parzival]

Vacon why didnt you just post this in the "General Discussion" section of the forum .. why is it so hard to post stuff in the right place .. :bash:Becouse some of the peapole on militaryphotos.net never check the General forum. That's why. Like a guy post the COmanche Interupt here.

Mr. Vacon, that's not exactly a very solid excuse for it. If the rules state that the "Photos/Videos"-section is reserved only for topics with pictures or videos then they must include one or both of the above mentioned material.

Your "nobody checks the general-forum" is not solid, since I'm sure that people watch it very frequently.
Well, Not only for the that also becouse I add a video and i was just about to add soem photos. And peapole get very amd when you post photos in the general forum.

[TALOS]

This is depressing.
Again we rely on other countries to defend us.
Im sick and tired of us being a neutral country.
I say scrap healthcare and kick all the old people out of sweden, sell Stockholm to the States and reconquer Europe by force!

rofl rofl rofl

[Russian Texan]

The swedish
defence forces may be a joke today. But a even bigger joke is the swedish
police.

Mustamato, I DO NOT BELIEVE MY EYES!!!!
To say that is different from your previous statements is to say nothing....
O Lord, if even someone like mustamato is finally seeing the light, I guess there still hope for mankind...

[mustamato]

The swedish
defence forces may be a joke today. But a even bigger joke is the swedish
police.

Mustamato, I DO NOT BELIEVE MY EYES!!!!
To say that is different from your previous statements is to say nothing....
O Lord, if even someone like mustamato is finally seeing the light, I guess there still hope for mankind...

Have I ever claimed otherwise? I think not. Hint: There is a difference between
Sweden and the other country that whooped ruskie butt during ww2.

[KalleBalleSvartSk@lle]

Atleast the surplus is scrapped and not left to rust away and sink in the harbours of the Kola peninsula....

Too much money is wasted on official spending, then there are too many ****tards living on welfare, staying at home because of "stress" etc...

Marmot, maybe we should get back Stettin and our other old territories :)

[Russian Texan]

Have I ever claimed otherwise? I think not.

What, another "selective" memory victim?
Shall I remind you conversations where one side would say that swedeish army could be wiped out by the Rhode Island NG and what you answered to that? How about numerous, glorious, modern day combat operations by the swedish military? Plus numerous other, reread you posts/threads and you'll see what I mean.

Allow me to finnish with the childish comment: "POWNED! :lol: "

[kinghk]

Have I ever claimed otherwise? I think not.

What, another "selective" memory victim?
Shall I remind you conversations where one side would say that swedeish army could be wiped out by the Rhode Island NG and what you answered to that? How about numerous, glorious, modern day combat operations by the swedish military? Plus numerous other, reread you posts/threads and you'll see what I mean.

Allow me to finnish with the childish comment: "POWNED! :lol: "

URL?

[Russian Texan]

Have I ever claimed otherwise? I think not.

What, another "selective" memory victim?
Shall I remind you conversations where one side would say that swedeish army could be wiped out by the Rhode Island NG and what you answered to that? How about numerous, glorious, modern day combat operations by the swedish military? Plus numerous other, reread you posts/threads and you'll see what I mean.

Allow me to finnish with the childish comment: "POWNED! :lol: "

URL?

Read through his previous posts, I am too lazy to search for the exact page.

[mustamato]

Read through his previous posts, I am too lazy to search for the exact page.

:D Of course you are. I wait for a URL as well. I think that the quality of individual
swedish soldiers because of their equipment and training is good, also in smaller
units such as platoon and company. But as a collective Army, well it has no credibility
anymore due to the politicians slaughtering their capabilites.