Diemaco arms

[andyrew_21]

some cool pictures of Diemaco arms being used by various country's.

http://www.diemaco.com/gallery/dpg-calconic8ct.jpg
http://www.diemaco.com/gallery/dpg-hjv2289_1.jpgDanish soldiers
http://www.diemaco.com/gallery/dpg-loading.jpg Canadian Police
http://www.diemaco.com/gallery/dpg-lsw_1.jpgTesting the LSW
http://www.diemaco.com/gallery/dpg-NLmarine_1.jpgDutch narines
http://www.diemaco.com/gallery/dpg-norsfw.jpg Norwegian Soldiers
http://www.diemaco.com/gallery/dpg-srsniper.jpg Sniper
http://www.diemaco.com/gallery/dpg-treecqb.jpg Canadian using C8CQB
http://www.diemaco.com/gallery/dpg-hjv2289_2.jpg
http://www.diemaco.com/gallery/dpg-3pats.jpg PPCLI

[ibstolidude]

Don't shoot your buddies balls!

[Minjin]

Those are some great pics, thanks. Let's hope this doesn't turn into a Colt vs. Diemaco debate.

[scm77]

Speaking of diemaco, who thinks they are better then colt? ;)

[Falco]

Good pictures! Diemaco changed the lay out of their site.

http://www.diemaco.com/

[Glock]

The Diemaco M203 A1:

http://www.diemaco.com/gallery/dpg-styeraug.jpg

http://www.defence-net.de/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=252&sid=346f0b26fbac7801c0371c86a27994a6
On a Steyr AUG Carabine

Greatings Leo

[IDFM203]

http://www.defence-net.de/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=252&sid=346f0b26fbac7801c0371c86a27994a6
Is it possible that I am seeing a Israeli Meprolight Mepor 21 Reflex Sight (http://www.isayeret.com/optics/m21/mepro21.htm) on this Steyr AUG or is it something else?

Shalom :D

[memphiz]

Speaking of diemaco, who thinks they are better then colt? ;)
colts going down :D

[Javehn]

So who is better , Colt or Diameco ? :lol: :roll:

[Glock]

Is it possible that I am seeing a Israeli Meprolight Mepor 21 Reflex Sight on this Steyr AUG or is it something else?
Yes thats write. The Meprolight Mepor 21 is in use by the Army Ranger Wing in Irland on Steyr AUG's.

Yes I think that the Diemaco is better than a Colt M16.

Greatings Leo

[AK-Lover]

Diemaco, have better tolerance to cold and sand. :D woot woot
Sorry colt :petting:

[Skaman]

c7A2, possibly the best rifle in the world?

[Yard Ape]

There is room for improvment in the C7A2. The sights come to mind. I have also heard good arguments for a new barrel length that would be between the current 20 inch and that of the C8/M4 variety of rifle.

[Glock]

You cant say the best rifle. There are good Rifles I think they are:
Diemaco, Steyr AUG, HK G36, IMI Galil, Sig 550/551 ,Colt M16A4/M4A1 and the Tavor.
Greatings Leo

[Yard Ape]

I thought I had posted the 16" barrel argument before. (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=124987#124987)

There is a good argument written here: http://nightoperations.com/Doc/Infantry-Rifle-Carbine1.pdf

[marktigger]

how about a HK C8a2? ;)

[thatguy96]

I don't see how there can be a Colt/Diemaco debate...they are both Armalite AR-15/M16 pattern weapons, they have identical inner workings, and they are made from the same type of materials. If Diemaco rifles perform better, then its because of better QC or better quality materials. It would not be, in any case, a matter of one 'design' being better than the other...since they're the same. You may debate the benefits of one barrel thickness or length over another, but you can find almost any configuration you want, from factory (i.e. not custom), from any of a hundred manufacturers. You want to disagree with me? Fine, but Colt gave the license to Diemaco, and retains in-house model numbers for both the C7 and C8. Diemaco has released nothing that is amazingly unique, nor should they have to. They're looking to compete, and if better QC and cheaper prices wins out, then yay capitalism, and that's it.

Also, you want to bitch and moan about the comparitive performance of full-length (M16A1s, M16A2s, C7A1s, and C7A2s) rifles fielded by the US, the Canadians, British, etc. in places like Afghanistan and Iraq, then complain to FN about performance. FN has been supplying rifles to the US Army since the '80s, not Colt, so before you rush to blame Colt whatever issue, realize that the majority of A2s in service now have been provided by the Belgians (although they were built in FN's plant, its still up to FN on how to run their assembly lines).

[Yard Ape]

If Diemaco rifles perform better, then its because of better QC or better quality materials. ... You may debate the benefits of one barrel thickness or length over anotherThere is also a difference in manufacture process of the barrel (which results in different properties of otherwise same materials). Forged vs extruded.

[AK-Lover]

You cant say the best rifle. There are good Rifles I think they are:
Diemaco, Steyr AUG, HK G36, IMI Galil, Sig 550/551 ,Colt M16A4/M4A1 and the Tavor.
Greatings Leo
Hey where the hell is the AKMS? AK-74M? Come on! Don't be so racist! :D

[Spearin]

The C8CQB is really nice. The site is great for CQB since you can look through it with both eyes open and the reticule is easy to aim with (when aligned with the foresite).

A bunch of Diemaco weapons were on display at my regiment's Urban Warfare Demonstration at the end of January.

[[AFSOC]]

Its all about Armalite:)

[AK-Lover]

It's all about ****tiness! :P No but really, if you wanna get the job done pick up a 75 round drum mag stick it into your AK-47/AKM and burn the ****er! :P rofl I'm seriuos! :D

[Salty Dog]

It's all about ****tiness! :P No but really, if you wanna get the job done pick up a 75 round drum mag stick it into your AK-47/AKM and burn the f***! :P rofl I'm seriuos! :D

you sure are serious.......seriously retarded. please die.

[AK-Lover]

hey marine, do you follow me around everywhere on this forum? You're starting to creep me out! :(

[Salty Dog]

hey marine, do you follow me around everywhere on this forum? You're starting to creep me out! :(

yes, i follow you around. i am stalking you....either that or i enjoy this forum, enjoy posting on this forum, and dislike ****heads like you coming into this forum and f***ing around like ****bags.

[AK-Lover]

How was I ****ing around, I just made a joke dude, holy ****!, you are certainly one distasteful individual! (yuck!) :P
See again thats just making a joke, calm down, drink some coffee,smoke a cigar, take a breath, okay? :| :hug:

[DizBukHaPeter]

You make some pretty ****ty jokes

[Salty Dog]

How was I f*** around, I just made a joke dude, holy ****!, you are certainly one distasteful individual! (yuck!) :P
See again thats just making a joke, calm down, drink some coffee,smoke a cigar, take a breath, okay? :| :hug:

you're just an all around idiot, but maybe you're right, maybe i should calm down. we will see, i hope you change because the **** you pulled when you got here was getting old. but if you are done, and if you are truly sorry about that ****, then that's fine. i will try to calm down now.

[AK-Lover]

Alright. :hug:

[USMarine3521]

c7A2, possibly the best rifle in the world?

not at all, c7 series and the m16 series should be nearly identical in performance.

[Maverick77]

I have no say in this what weapon is better bull**** as I have yet to fire any of them.

but the C7A2 does look like a very good weapon.

[AK-Lover]

I've fired C7A1 at Garrison Steele simulator. For you Canadian military guys you'll know where this is.

[[AFSOC]]

c7A2, possibly the best rifle in the world?

not at all, c7 series and the m16 series should be nearly identical in performance.

Not true....

I believe C7A1 's have a father range then the M16A2, also the C7's can go fully automatic unlike the M16A2's.

[thatguy96]

Its an A2 style 20" barrel (at least according to Colt, who retains a model number for the C7, and describes it as essentially an A2 with A1 rear sights), firing the same NATO standard ammo, with the same rifling, I don't see how it could have different range performance.

On the matter of the full-auto/three round burst thingy...
http://www.autoweapons.com/photosn/post451a.jpg
That's a from factory lower. A2's are available from factory with either a safe-semi-burst or safe-semi-full group. The third position if it was a burst group would say just that. Just because the US Army decides to only field A2s with 3 round limiters, doesn't mean that there aren't any full-auto A2s.

[[AFSOC]]

Meh...

Allz I know Canadian forces have em at fully auto. My buddy in the 4ID carry's an A3 and he said they aint really different from the A2's.

[Icarus_222]

My fav....

http://www.diemaco.com/images/cqb.gif

[Yard Ape]

Its an A2 style 20" barrel firing the same NATO standard ammo, with the same rifling, I don't see how it could have different range performance. This could be the result of different barrel hardnesses from different manufacture processes.

[thatguy96]

Would that have such a serious effect on barrel weight and/or harmonics to have a noticable effect on range? I have no idea, which is why I'm asking.

[He219]

If you wish to challenge manufacturing, guess who would win?


http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/mil-leimages/m4rightmainpopup.jpg

http://www.hk-usa.com/corporate/media/mediaimages/m4mid.jpg

http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/mil-leimages/m4yumaburst.jpg

http://www.hk-usa.com/corporate/media/mediaimages/m4scope2.jpg


Unique Features:

• Short-stroke piston gas system--
--Improved reliability
--100% function
--No fouling directed into weapon
--Less cleaning
--User removable/exchangeable components
--Insensitive to barrel length or ammunition changes

• Improved buffer system

• Improved steel magazine:
--Improved feeding reliability, durability, service life

• Refined barrel/bolt locking recesses/lugs:
--Improved function

• Improved extractor and spring, buffer:
--Improved function

• Enhanced AG-C add-on 40mm grenade launcher
• HK cold-hammer forged barrel
--Extended service life
--Improved accuracy and user safety

Additional ongoing work:

• Monolithic upper receiver with integral Rail Adapter System
• Improved surface finish, ambidextrous controls
• Safety Blank Firing Adapter and live round excluder magazine
• HK free-floating modular rail system
• Integrated reflex sight with nested IR laser aimer and illuminator

Source (http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/Military-LE/rifles-carbines/m4.html)

... and of course the nice add-on single shot 40 x 46mm AG-C grenade launcher for quick attachment to the RIS without tools:

http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/mil-leimages/ag-cmain.jpg

;)

[Yard Ape]

Heavier barrels are more accurate at long ranges due to stiffness. However, the heating, cooling, and shaping processes that a metal goes though to be formed into something will affect its final properties. If the Diemaco process results in a stiffer steele, then it can have a more accurate barrel without the increase in weight.

http://www.diemaco.com/images/c7a2.gif

[thatguy96]

Is the manufacturing process really going to change barrel harmonics to the point where there is a serious change in accuracy? I'm really curious about this now. Are there any studies on this. I mean I know that this is true, but usually a barrel with less vibration is also either free-floated or heavier, so I'm wondering if a simple thing like how the barrel (how an identical material is formed to create an identical shape, but in a different way) is made has a serious effect on such things.

[Yard Ape]

I'm wondering if a simple thing like how the barrel (how an identical material is formed to create an identical shape, but in a different way) is made has a serious effect on such things.
It does.

If you are going to reserch, your best place to start would be to talk to a materials engineer. Try this site for some information: http://www.azom.com/details.asp?ArticleID=1141

Try these search terms:
Cold Work (http://www.metal-mart.com/Dictionary/dictletc.htm#I38)
Tempering (http://www.metal-mart.com/Dictionary/dictlett.htm#I10)
ANNEALING (http://www.metal-mart.com/Dictionary/dictleta.htm#I21)
Heat Treatment (http://www.metal-mart.com/Dictionary/dictleth.htm#I12)

It is also possible that Diemaco uses alloying to harden its steel (in which case it would not be the same steel as a Colt barrel).

[Loke]

Another cool photo (norwegian operator)

http://www.airsoftguns.info/files/sfw.jpg

[thatguy96]

It is also possible that Diemaco uses alloying to harden its steel (in which case it would not be the same steel as a Colt barrel).
No, I would think not. But is the resulting material of identical or roughly identical weight that when a barrel made out of it created, it isn't any heavier? And what kind of accuracy at range increases are we talking about? Anybody have any figures?

[Yard Ape]

It could be the exact same weight and have superiour properties. The crystal structure of the steel plays a significant factor in its strength, and does not have resulting effects on density.