Berlusconi asks Turkey to "neutralise fanatics"

[BlackRain]

Berlusconi asks Turkey to "neutralise fanatics"
07 Feb 2006 10:42:11 GMT

Source: Reuters
By Philip Pullella



ROME, Feb 7 (Reuters) - Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi on Tuesday called on Turkey to "neutralise fanatics" following the killing of a Italian priest but said the murder should not be allowed to affect Ankara's bid for EU membership. "The situation is quite worrying," Berlusconi said on a radio talk show, speaking of what he called a threat of violence linked to Islamic militants around the world.


Berlusconi said he was about to telephone Turkish Prime Minster Tayyip Erdogan and would tell him that his government "had to identify and neutralise these fanatics."


Turkish security forces detained a high school student on Tuesday in connection with the killing of Father Andrea Santoro, a 61-year-old Italian
Catholic priest shot dead on Sunday while praying in his church in Trabzon.


The Turkish government strongly condemned the killing, which coincided with increased religious tensions worldwide following the publication of cartoons in some European newspapers depicting the Prophet Mohammad.


The student told police he was influenced by the cartoons, Turkey's NTV television reported.


A Vatican embassy spokesman in Ankara said the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar" (Arabic for "God is greatest") as he shot Santoro.


Berlusconi said Santoro's killing, which shocked Italy, should not be allowed to affect Turkey's bid for European Union membership.


"Europe must not fall into the trap of terrorists," he said in answer to a question.


Turkey began EU membership talks last October, but is not expected to join the wealthy bloc before 2015 at the earliest.


Many in the EU remain wary about admitting Turkey, a large, mainly Muslim and relatively poor country of 72 million people.


"I think we should help Turkey's entry into Europe because it is an example of how all Islamic countries should be," Berlusconi said, praising Ankara's lay government.


Pope Benedict, who before his election in April expressed doubt about Turkey's credentials to join Europe, has said he hoped Santoro's killing could help bring people of different religious faiths closer together.


The Pope is due to visit Turkey in November.


The Vatican has joined Muslim countries, including Turkey, in condemning the cartoons of the Prophet, saying freedom of speech did not mean freedom to offend a person's religion.


Violent attacks on Christian clergy are virtually unheard of in Turkey, which views itself as a bridge between mainly Christian Europe and the predominantly Muslim Middle East.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L07704448.htm

[GREEK-AIRBORNE]

Ehhm... Where is @Beykoz when you need him?
LOL!!
@Black Rain Where are you from?
Because if you are Greek or Russian Mr @Beykoz will acuse you for opening this thread!
You see he is a Turk and get annoyed when he reads the Truth when this Truth is not good for his Islamic Country...

[Clearday-TRForce]

The student told police he was influenced by the cartoons, Turkey's NTV television reported.

This murder (as.h..e) s;
1-He s a 16 years student boy.
2-He is not an extremist,as we learned he s a band member. He tried to play bell of church before.
3-This case is a very very individual.Do not go a general thought.If you want,it will be nonsense.


There is no reported any more case in the Turkey.So I dont think it logical to discuss how Turkey...


RIP to Priest and his family.



regards,
CDTRF

[BlackRain]

Ehhm... Where is @Beykoz when you need him?
LOL!!
@Black Rain Where are you from?
Because if you are Greek or Russian Mr @Beykoz will acuse you for opening this thread!
You see he is a Turk and get annoyed when he reads the Truth when this Truth is not good for his Islamic Country...

Just an American of the Irish, Scot, and German extraction.

[DrMom]

this isnt hte same berlusconi that owns the soccer club A.C. Milan is it?

[toki]

this isnt hte same berlusconi that owns the soccer club A.C. Milan is it?
There's only one Berlusconi. Prime minister, Football President of Milan and proud owner of a TV-station.

[Beykoz]

Ehhm... Where is @Beykoz when you need him?
LOL!!
@Black Rain Where are you from?
Because if you are Greek or Russian Mr @Beykoz will acuse you for opening this thread!
You see he is a Turk and get annoyed when he reads the Truth when this Truth is not good for his Islamic Country...
What are you on about...? What part of this thread am i supposed to annoyed about, apart from your call out...?

I don't have a problem with BlackRain starting this thread, nor the others he started. Him and BoyElroy start many threads on current issues, everyday.

You are so one-eyed that you don't even want to understand (or probably don't even read in full) any text written by a Turk.

[Solo]

There's only one Berlusconi. Prime minister, Football President of Milan and proud owner of a TV-station.


That would be three TV stations, ReteQuattro, Canale5 and Italia1

[toki]

That would be three TV stations, ReteQuattro, Canale5 and Italia1
I wasn't too sure about it and didn't want to exaggerate it. But, well three is even 'better' :lol:

[GREEK-AIRBORNE]

What are you on about...? What part of this thread am i supposed to annoyed about, apart from your call out...?

I don't have a problem with BlackRain starting this thread, nor the others he started. Him and BoyElroy start many threads on current issues, everyday.

You are so one-eyed that you don't even want to understand (or probably don't even read in full) any text written by a Turk.

Ofcourse you dont have problem with @BlackRain. He is not a Greek or Russian. You have serius problems about this Topic when this is started by a Greek or Russian but now... you dont have problems with it...
Let me refresh your memory.....
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=71604&page=2

You Wrote:

there was a thread started by GREEK-AIRBONE (yep, he is Greek) and went down hill pretty quick and got closed. Than the person responsible for this down-turn (yep, another Greek) started another thread and carried on with his stupidity. That thread got closed as well. Than another member who happens to agree with the former two quite often, started this thread and as usual, they are quite happy to carry on. There aren’t others worth mentioning that support these with their zealous ramblings.

SO, we have two Greeks and a Russian here, trying their hardest to get a message across.

I thing its clear enough who has problems about this topic and who is not!

Cheers

[Beykoz]

Ofcourse you dont have problem with @BlackRain. He is not a Greek or Russian. You have serius problems about this Topic when this is started by a Greek or Russian but now... you dont have problems with it...
Let me refresh your memory.....
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=71604&page=2


I thing its clear enough who has problems about this topic and who is not!

Cheers

If you are going to quote me from another thread, (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=71604) quote my whole post.


You are not gonna go away are you…?

OK, before looking at the tragic news (RIP) at hand, let’s have a look at the participants of the thread.

First, there was a thread started by GREEK-AIRBONE (yep, he is Greek) and went down hill pretty quick and got closed. Than the person responsible for this down-turn (yep, another Greek) started another thread and carried on with his stupidity. That thread got closed as well. Than another member who happens to agree with the former two quite often, started this thread and as usual, they are quite happy to carry on. There aren’t others worth mentioning that support these with their zealous ramblings.

SO, we have two Greeks and a Russian here, trying their hardest to get a message across. What is this message…?

The priest killed was Italian, you would be wrong if you guessed he was Greek. Why weren’t the threads started by an Italian Member…? The obvious answer is that, they don’t have an agenda to push.

The priest was killed by a muslim, but this is not enough for these zealots to start threads like this. They haven’t in the past, why should things change now…? Click and click.

The muslim that killed the priest is a Turk. WHOA !!! Hang on a sec, did I say a Turk…? Yes, I did.
Unfortunately, there is a Turk in amongst 60 odd million Turks living in Turkey, who is stupid and crazy enough to kill an innocent person. What do the other Turks think of this crime…? They condemn it.

What is the motivation of this Turk to kill the priest…? We don’t know, no one knows it yet. There are some, loving this scenario and offering their speculations. Their motives are obvious.

Is it possible that the killing is motivated by religious tension, caused by the events of the last few days…? Yes, of course it is. In fact, if I was a betting man, I would put my money on it.

Does this look bad for Turkey…? Yes, it does. If it didn’t look bad, the zealots wouldn’t have a scavenge hunt.

What about the prime minister, is he an extremist…? He read a poem once. He knows there is a line there not to cross.

What about Armenian genocide, Kurdish slayings, killings of innocent Greeks, the movie about the US Forces in Iraq, last weekend's lotto results, who killed JFK, etc...??? Do a search and read both sides' stories. OR wait a while and the zealots will barge in and do half the work for you.


There we have it folks… The crux of the matter in plain English. The message is crystal clear.

As I said up the top, you only read the bits you want to read. This is another perfect example of your (plural) zealous behaviour. This thread is about Italian PM’s views on the matter and Turkey’s relations with EU.

You jump in with your only purpose of discrediting me, a Turkish Member. The day I start multiple threads on the same topic and fill it with my repetitive jargon, you can accuse me of having problems.

I think it is very clear who has problems communicating in written text.

Why don't you go and join Pytheus in those other forums (if you haven't already) and continue with your sh1tfight over there.

[Omaha]

Alright, no one wants to read about a sword fight over nothing but silly nationalism that no one here understands....




I have yet to read anything connecting this kid to any organization or group. I think we can chalk this up to a case of crazy bastard. That being said, Turkey must take every possible safeguard incase this isn't such an isolated act. It isn't like Turkey isn't overly anti-American/West.

[Pytheus]

Beykoz,

The point is that Turkey has the most fanatics all around the muslim world.

Why the hec, in noone muslim region that uprisings happened, there was no murder of a christian in the name of Islam?? (yes, it's confirmed now, he did the muder for the cartoons)

Why the hec noone else political leader shouts religious warmongering poems (do not make me to post it again) over roaring muslim crowds?? (even Ahmadinejad didn't do such a stupid thing)

Because Turkey has the lowest record in tollerance to christianity. (and again, do not make me post vandalised tombs of bishops, Armenian genocide pics, hanged priests, etc)

And that's why, Berlusconi asked the Turkish Prime minister to clench the bridles of the Islamist fanatics in Turkey.

WHY WOULD THE ITALIAN PRIME MINISTER WOULD SAY THAT??? Is he annoyed by any way?Does he have an indication that the murder was directed by the turkish authorities?? (or by sth called DEEP TURKISH STATE?)

Cause we know that the Turkish state has specific problems with the Vatican, since it denied the POPE himself, to visit Turkey (the Patriarch of Constantinople to be accurate), as he wished.

Link/Source to what I say:


Christians disappointed: Ankara has put off the pope’s trip to Turkey

Ankara (AsiaNews) - After much hedging, the diplomatic but nonetheless clear response came yesterday from Ankara about the anticipated trip of Benedict XVI.

The eagerly awaited invitation from the Turkish state did reach the Vatican but with a vague and diplomatic: “We expect you in Turkey for 2006”, inexonorably placating “the pangs of the pope, which have shaken the state so much”; this is how insistence on the papal visit was defined by journalist Evren Mesci on the daily Sabah. President Ahmet Necdet Sezer invited the pontiff to go to Turkey in 2006 so he “can become aware in person of the climate of cultural tolerance” which prevails in this Muslim majority country. The trip, said the spokesperson for the Foreign Affairs Ministry, Namika Tan, “will encourage efforts to intensify dialogue between religions and mutual comprehension among civilizations at global level.”

Turkish newspapers have been giving importance to the pope’s visit to this nation for weeks now, especially as the planned date of his visit – fixed for 30 November, the feast of St Andrew – drew closer. It was Bartholomew I who extended the invitation to Benedict XVI, in line with a tradition now established between the Ecumenical Orthodox Patriarch and the highest authority in the Catholic world, started with Pope Paul VI and continued by John Paul II.

However, as Deger Akal, a journalist with the national daily Vatan, pointed out: “The plan of the Patriarch Bartholomew to invite the pope in November was a hole in the water”.

It is precisely this type of invitation – taken for granted without the official invite of the president of the Turkish republic – which offended the civil authorities to no small extent: the pope must not forget that before being a religious leader, he is held by the Turks to be a head of state, the Vatican State, and he must therefore follow established rules and protocols.

Already two days ago, predictions of a probable refusal of the visit began to circulate in newspapers. These suspicions were rooted in three perturbing arguments: fear of being obliged to recognise the “ecumenical” Greek-Orthodox Patriarch and therefore to give him a universal standing and title, going beyond national boundaries; the embarrassing request of the pope to be able to pray in Santa Sofia; and the controversial declarations of Ratzinger – and not only him – which would call to question non-existent freedom of worship in Turkey.

Another typical Turkish attitude: never refuse, but reply with a “ni”!

And Bartholomew I? Publicly he bowed his head, telling journalists: “For us, it would have been a great gesture if the pope would have been able to join us to participate in our celebrations and it seems natural to us that he should be allowed to visit ‘his little brother’, but now we have lost hope, seeing that Ankara has crushed our invitation. Certainly it is not a nice situation, but we do not want to insist nor do we want to create a crisis with the State. Our leaders have judged that it is better this way and we do not want to be obstinate.”

“But why did Ankara react in this way?” journalist Deger Akal asked himself in an article published today in Vatan. “According to Turkish sources, all the eyes of the world would have been focused on Turkey during the pope’s visit; Turkey fears criticism which could arise and does not want to face upfront heavy observations like those of the Vatican Nuncio in Ankara, Edmond Farhat. “Turkey is a nation which is an enemy of Christians. It defines itself as a secular nation, but this freedom is only on paper.”

So it may be better to let sleeping dogs lie. Oops, who doze. So the invitation has been put off to... better times.

http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=4131




Quiz: Is the accident that happened in Rome near the Vatican, where 12 Turks died irrelevant to the assasination of the Roman Catholic Priest in Turkey?

Source:


12 Turks killed in Rome bus crash




(ANSA) - Rome, February 7 - Investigators searched for clues early on Tuesday to explain how a coach carrying Turkish tourists crashed off a road in central Rome, leaving 12 of its passengers dead and 20 injured .

The accident happened at about 11 pm on Monday as the coach carrying 31 Turkish sales agents left a gala evening organised for them by the Ford carmaker at an expensive Roman venue .

For reasons still unclear, the vehicle failed to negotiate a hairpin bend on a main road and smashed through a low wall, plunging about 15 metres into a private garden .

http://ansa.it/main/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2006-02-07_752497.html

My pick: It is VERY RELEVANT. It sends the message to turkey and its Islamists, DO NOT YOU DARE TO MESS WITH US.




Cheers. :)

[Beykoz]

That being said, Turkey must take every possible safeguard incase this isn't such an isolated act.
There was one report of a "refusal of request from Turkey to provide protection for the priest that was murdered" and it's already been stated as a fact on another thread.:roll:

However, there are a lot of reports to support your request.


Security was beefed up at churches across Turkey after the attack.


Christian churches were under heavy security in the aftermath of the killing.


All Christian churches are now being guarded


Trabzon is now being heavily guarded and the entire population is joining the local Church as it mourns

[Beykoz]

The point is that Turkey has the most fanatics all around the muslim world.

A blatantly wrong statement, though not surprising coming from you.




Why the hec, in noone muslim region that uprisings happened, there was no murder of a christian in the name of Islam?? (yes, it's confirmed now, he did the muder for the cartoons)

Hot diggity dang... This got me cornered.
Maybe because we have the most fanatics all around the muslim world.




Why the hec noone else political leader shouts religious warmongering poems (do not make me to post it again) over roaring muslim crowds?? (even Ahmadinejad didn't do such a stupid thing)

So, is this the very basis of your argument...?
8 years ago he read a poem and got prosecuted for it. He served jail time for the offence. Since, he's had a bit more tact in dealing with similar issues.




Because Turkey has the lowest record in tollerance to christianity. (and again, do not make me post vandalised tombs of bishops, Armenian genocide pics, hanged priests, etc)

Oh no, this has to be the very basis of your argument.
If you want to draw similarities in between the current news and your version of events many years ago, the credibility you never had just took a nose dive.
You speak as if you were present at every one of the events you use in your arguments. Did it ever occur to you that all of what you think you know is from the collection of like minded individuals...?

There have been killings by all the parties in the past. There have been victims from all parties in the past. Do you want to keep bringing these up to support your arguments today...? YES, of course you do.:roll:




And that's why, Berlusconi asked the Turkish Prime minister to clench the bridles of the Islamist fanatics in Turkey.

WHY WOULD THE ITALIAN PRIME MINISTER WOULD SAY THAT??? Is he annoyed by any way?Does he have an indication that the murder was directed by the turkish authorities?? (or by sth called DEEP TURKISH STATE?)

Because Italian PM has good relations with Turkish diplomats to request such a thing.
He certainly didn't say it, so some Greek zealot would use it by changing every word in it, to support his argument in an internet forum.




Cause we know that the Turkish state has specific problems with the Vatican, since it denied the POPE himself, to visit Turkey (the Patriarch of Constantinople to be accurate), as he wished.

Yes, those two are related.:lol:




Quiz: Is the accident that happened in Rome near the Vatican, where 12 Turks died irrelevant to the assasination of the Roman Catholic Priest in Turkey?

My pick: It is VERY RELEVANT. It sends the message to turkey and its Islamists, DO NOT YOU DARE TO MESS WITH US.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
You are as intelligent as the fleas on a street dog.
Even though it is a small insect with a brain the size of.... hmmm, let's say you... it always knows the source of his food. Determined parasites they are.

[Clearday-TRForce]

My pick: It is VERY RELEVANT. It sends the message to turkey and its Islamists, DO NOT YOU DARE TO MESS WITH US.

rofl...superb...and it clearly shows your education and mentality level.




The point is that Turkey has the most fanatics all around the muslim world

Really the best comedy internet post I have ever seen in recent years...What??? are you kidding?



Because Turkey has the lowest record in tollerance to christianity.

It was the second best comedy net post I have ever seen.Good to see all with you.What a coincidence!!!

Very most probably, Turkey is the number one who has the highest tolerance to the christianity and the jewism in muslim world. (you need to ask these things to other members such as Jewish people around the world,Hey where are you Jewish People? where are you Christ People?)


But I must celebrate you due to your performance on falsified news.


note:I think another Greek friend will take a "ban" soon due to high tolerance to the Turkey. rofl


(sorry for my gifs,I couldnt hold myself)
regards,
CDTRF

[Pytheus]

Clearday, what the jews have to do with the Christians, mate? I'm talking about christians, and you throw the jews into the conversation for no reason. Are you trying to change the subject?

My education and my mentality level, say that my arguments are still there not confronted, and waiting for a decent reply instead of throwing mud.

And do not talk about comedies, cause you will be crying if I'll post the examples of intolerance as described above. Do not push me mate. :|



@Beykoz: next time try to counter my arguments, and avoid personal degrating terms. Do not fall too low, for your own good. :)

[Omaha]

Way to ruin a thread with your stupid squabbles. Bunch of children.

[Beykoz]

@Beykoz: next time try to counter my arguments, and avoid personal degrating terms. Do not fall too low, for your own good. :)
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Are you serious...??? Counter what exactly...???

All i see is ridicolous allegations and theories made up by a delusional poor sod.

You need to get half a clue before being able to participate in a discussion.

Turkey does not have to most fanatical muslims in the world, to say such a thing is obscene. The killing of the priest is an isolated incident which could have happened anywhere, it was a crime carried out by an individual, NOT a terror group.

Erdogan's reciting of a poem has got nothing to do with the matter as well. He is a conservative muslim, a lot more conservative than our previous PMs, but to suggest he is a war-mongering Islamist is very idiotic.

Italian PM's comments on this matter has nothing to do with whatever happenned in the past, niether does the crash of bus load of Turks in Italy. I wonder how you connected such events and what sort of Intel you have. Than i remembered, you are a Greek boy with a keyboard...




And do not talk about comedies, cause you will be crying if I'll post the examples of intolerance as described above. Do not push me mate. :|

Hey Cletus,
Incase you can't read in between the lines, we are not interested. Posting a bunch of pics to prove a point pretty much sums up your mentality and intelligence level.

With the introduction of internet and search engines like Google, everybody becomes a fvcken historian. What the hell do you know about history...? All you have is a keyboard and google set as home page. For every picture that you can attach, i can attach one too... For every link that you provide, i can provide one too. We will be going around in circles like others have in the past.

So, as i suggested earlier, find a small rock, crawl under it and be quiet. Or rack off to your network54 forums and carry on till your heart's content.

Bloody parasites !!!

[GREEK-AIRBORNE]

For those (Turkish) kids who still Denie to see the Truth claiming that the killer has nothing to do with Islamism and the Cartoons....
From the " Today's Pix - Tuesday, Feb. 7th, 2006 "
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=71725



An armored police car transports a 16 year-old student arrested on suspicion he is the gunman who killed Italian Roman Catholic priest Andrea Santoro from the Security Department in Trabzon, Turkey, Tuesday, Feb. 7, 2006. NTV television, citing police, reported that the suspect told interogators he killed the Rev. Andrea Santoro, 60, on Sunday to avenge the publication in European newspapers of provocative cartoons depicting Islam's most revered prophet as a terrorist. Police would not immediately comment on the report. ( AP Photo/Murat Kaban, Anatolia)



In this photo from a video footage, Turkish security members surround an armored police car while escorting the suspected killer of the Italian Roman Catholic priest Andrea Santoro, wearing a police hat in the rear, for a medical check in Trabzon, Turkey, Tuesday, Feb. 7, 2006. Suspected young killer confessed murder to avenge the publication of caricatures of Prophet Mohammad, private NTV television, citing police sources, reported.( AP Photo/DHA)



Turkish security members surround the suspected killer of the Italian Roman Catholic priest Andrea Santoro, wearing a police hat at extreme left, after a medical check in Trabzon, Turkey, Tuesday, Feb. 7, 2006. The Suspected killer confessed murder to avenge the publication of caricatures of Prophet Mohammad, private NTV television, citing police sources, reported.( AP Photo/DHA)



Turkish Air Force pilots with the coffin of the Italian Roman Catholic priest Andrea Santoro onboard at Istanbul's Ataturk airport before leaving for Italy, Tuesday, Feb. 7, 2006. A suspected young killer of Santoro confessed murder to avenge the publication of caricatures of Prophet Mohammad, private NTV television, citing police sources, reported.( AP Photo/Sabahattin Metin, Anatolia)



The hearse carrying the coffin of Rev. Angelo Santoro is saluted by Italian air force soldiers at Rome's Ciampino military airport, Tuesday, Feb.7, 2006. The pope's vicar for Rome, Cardinal Camillo Ruini, who was at the airport, blessed the coffin and praised the slain priest for his heroism, the Italian news agency ANSA said. Santoro, 60, was shot twice in the back Sunday while praying in his church along the Black Sea coast. (AP Photo/Gregorio Borgia)

[Beykoz]

It is like talking to a brick wall, but what the heck :

GREEK_AIRBORNE,
The pictures can also be found here. (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=71715)

There are reports in the news that the killing is connected to the cartoons, but as it currently stands, they are just that, reports. There have been no confirmations from the authorities. There are no reports of the boy being part of an Islamic organisation either. When you have confirmed reports, i'm sure you will let us know.


“The 16-year-old is in police custody and is talking about what he did,” Burhan Cobanoglu, chief prosecutor of Trabzon, a port city on the northern Black Sea coast, told the Anatolia news agency.

The NTV news channel reported the boy telling police that he killed the priest because he was angered by the cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) published in European newspapers, but no official confirmation was available.
We (Turkish Members here) are not denying anything, but refusing to speculate on the issue.
If the killing was motivated by the cartoons, would it really change anything...? If the boy was part of an organisation, would it change anything...? The PM is reported to say straight after the incident : "We cannot accept the fact that a priest could be killed by bullets in a holy place while performing his religious duties.The investigation is being pursued in the broadest sense of the word - we are following this case very closely."

There are extremists spread around the world looking for an excuse to rise up. All the demosntrations going on in each country are organised by the extremists. The sheiks in Iraq are reported to issue fatwa against the drawer of these caricatures. There are reports of 13 dead around the world because of the incidents. Unfortunately, one of them happened in Turkey. We are not happy about it, we are not denying anything and we are not in favour of these crimes. We are sorry that it happened and know that the person responsible will be brought the justice.

Now, what the fvck else do you want me to say regarding this unfortunate event ?

[Kontra1]

Now, what the fvck else do you want me to say regarding this unfortunate event ?

They are greeks for God's sake man.Threads like this is their way to regain some sympathy back for the bashings they get for being ultra liberal anti american ;)

Check their other posts..you'll see what I mean.

[Clearday-TRForce]

It is like talking to a brick wall, but what the heck


Ohh...that was really good. Black painted long brick wall with huge holes...

[GREEK-AIRBORNE]

Relax Guys!
I know how bad is this news for Turkey but when you still denie the Clear Truth you dont gain nothing.
You only make a fool of your self.
@Beykoz you gave me a link with another thread.
There @Clearday Stated that "The killer is not an islamist but a gang and he posted a picture from a Turkish Exercise also could be found in the thread "Turkish Armed Forces elite forces...
Did you read the coments of the other forumers
Its clear to everybody that this boy is an islamist who made the killings for the cartoons.
he has confessed!

[Clearday-TRForce]

Relax Guys!
I know how bad is this news for Turkey but when you still denie the Clear Truth you dont gain nothing.

Ok I will go bath...:)



You only make a fool of your self.

Ohh Really?


@Beykoz you gave me a link with another thread.

So what?


There @Clearday Stated that "The killer is not an islamist but a gang and he posted a picture from a Turkish Exercise also could be found in the thread "Turkish Armed Forces elite forces...
Did you read the coments of the other forumers
Its clear to everybody that this boy is an islamist who made the killings for the cartoons.
he has confessed!

I still insist on he s not an islamist, only a very young gang who knows nothing what he does...and it is very individual case.



My clear question to you: Why do you blame to Turkey for some crap only one individual case?

(in my money, you dont like us (due to nothing),so you search everything opposite of Turkey)

Have a good time and get rest...shower?:)

regards,
CDTRF

[Ayura]

Clearday, please be more respectable towards others. Respect for others is an Islamic principle.

[Clearday-TRForce]

Clearday, please be more respectable towards others. Respect for others is an Islamic principle.


what others? such as have you seen any unrespectable thing for you? no...yeah you know what it means "no".

But thanks for reminding what Islam teachs us. And If you read the thread you will again see what we defend here.

[Beykoz]

Relax Guys!
I know how bad is this news for Turkey but when you still denie the Clear Truth you dont gain nothing.
You only make a fool of your self.
@Beykoz you gave me a link with another thread.
There @Clearday Stated that "The killer is not an islamist but a gang and he posted a picture from a Turkish Exercise also could be found in the thread "Turkish Armed Forces elite forces...
Did you read the coments of the other forumers
Its clear to everybody that this boy is an islamist who made the killings for the cartoons.
he has confessed! Dude... I don't know how else to explain this to you. Please try and understand what i am trying to say.

You and others are quoting reports, unconfirmed reports. There are hundreds of online news services available for you to search and gain news from. How do they operate...? Do you think each one has a reporter on the field...? No, almost none of them do.

One of them gain a bit of information and it spreads instantly, being reported by each agency, quite often taken out of context. I can give you many conflicting information on the same news, coming from different sources. There were reports that the suspect was 14, 15, 16 and 17 years old. There were reports that the priest was killed inside the church, outside the church and at the gates of the church. There were reports of a single shot wound, as well as two and three shots. Example :


A ROMAN Catholic priest in Turkey has been shot dead outside his church, possibly in an act of revenge for the publication of the Mohammed cartoons. His body was found in the courtyard, just outside the door of the Santa Maria Church.
And now, there is a lot of speculation on what motivated the murder :

Police first said they had still no clue what motivated the killing as some of the news agencies reported. But latest information from Trabzon where the priest was assassinated weakened the claims that the killing was religious motivated incident. On the contrary the evidences strengthen the other possibilities which might be directed the killing incident, like gunmen or mafia motivated activities.

Selection of a 16 year-old boy is also very important. Because the provisions of law on Children Protection are applied below 18 years old, the possible punishment of the boy will be less than a matured person.
If you read the news from respectable sources like Reuters, you will notice that they are fairly vague. Why do you think that is...? It is because, they don't want to report hearsay news as they have a reputation they'd like to keep. If these vague news aren't enough for someone (perhaps you), than that person would go and gain information from elsewhere and state them as a fact. My question is : What is the motivation behind this digging...? Why is it so important to you that the killer is an Islamist...?


Here are some news that may be worth paying some attention to :

An Italian Roman Catholic priest was shot dead in his church in the Turkish Black Sea city of Trabzon on Sunday, police said.

They gave no more details, but CNN Turk television said police were looking for a young man aged about 17 years old seen fleeing the scene.

CNN Turk showed a small crowd of onlookers near the Santa Maria church where the priest was killed. The state Anatolian news agency identified the dead man as Andrea Santaro, aged 60. Other Turkish media said he had been in Turkey about five years.

Anatolian quoted Trabzon governor Huseyin Yavuzdemir as saying: "We condemn this attack against a man of religion ... There are witnesses. The police are trying to catch the suspect based on information the witnesses gave."

The gunman's motive was unclear. Turkey is overwhelmingly Muslim and has only a tiny Christian population.

Turkey, like many other Muslim countries, has seen regular protests in recent days against cartoons published in several European newspapers depicting the Prophet Mohammad.

Turkish leaders have expressed strong distaste at the cartoons, but have also called for calm and better understanding between different cultures and religious faiths.

Turkey's non-Muslim clergy, including Istanbul-based Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew, spiritual head of the world's Orthodox Christians, have also condemned the cartoons, which were first published in a Danish newspaper.

Violent attacks on Christian clergy are virtually unheard of in Turkey, which takes pride in its history as a meeting place of different cultures and religions.


Father Andrea Santoro, an Italian, was shot dead in his church on Sunday.

Turkish politicians have condemned the killing and say they hope there is no link to the widespread outrage over cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.

After a major manhunt, police detained a 16-year-old high school student early on Tuesday morning. A gun was seized at the house they raided.

The gun has been sent away for ballistic tests to determine if it is linked to the murder.

Father Andrea Santoro was shot in the chest on Sunday. Witnesses say the gunman shouted "God is great" as he fled.

Police say they still have no clue what motivated the killing, the BBC's Sarah Rainsford reports from Istanbul.

There has been widespread speculation that the murder may have been an act of revenge linked to growing protests around the world by Muslims angry about cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad which appeared in the European press.

Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said he hopes there is no link. He has expressed his deep regret for the murder.

The priest's work with prostitutes in the area has also been suggested as a possible motive for the attack.

Ayura,
Please stop teaching the principles of Islam to us. As well intentioned as they may be, it's possible that some of us do not give a sh1t. If you must, a PM would be a better choice. Peace.

[GREEK-AIRBORNE]

Well Done @Beykoz!
Now you have persuade us all that the killer was not an islamist!
You posted 2 article from BBC and Reuters!
But...
Wait a minute!
Did you realise that these articles was published BEFORE THE KILLER WAS ARESTED?
Did you also missed the "detail" that THE KILLER HAS CONFESED THAT HE KILLED THE PRIEST AS RESPONCE TO THE MOHAMED CARTOON DRAWINGS?

[Vorian]

There was a thread for Turks and Greeks in this forum to stop the flamewars. Things were quiet for awhile. Now why have we started again??

[Beykoz]

Well Done @Beykoz!
Now you have persuade us all that the killer was not an islamist!
You posted 2 article from BBC and Reuters!
But...
Wait a minute!
Did you realise that these articles was published BEFORE THE KILLER WAS ARESTED?
Did you also missed the "detail" that THE KILLER HAS CONFESED THAT HE KILLED THE PRIEST AS RESPONCE TO THE MOHAMED CARTOON DRAWINGS?
The level of thickness you possess is extremely frustrating !!!

I am not persuading you with any details of the crime. I personally do not care what motivated this 16 year old. It doesn't make much difference to me if he is an Islamist or not. I said two days ago that, it could be linked with the cartoons.

I am telling you that : You are quoting reports unconfirmed by the authorities and stating them as facts. Than coming to the conclusion that he is an Islamist. You are hellbent on proving that he is an Islamist.

Turkish officials did not comment on the reported confession of the suspect. The suspect's lawyer, Mahya Usta, also refused to comment.

The 16-year-old is in police custody and is talking about what he did,” Burhan Çobanoğlu, chief prosecutor of Trabzon, was quoted as saying by the Anatolia news agency. News reports said he had told the police that the murder was to avenge the caricatures, although there was no official confirmation.



So, I am asking you : Extremists are spread all over the world. If they can have a presence in countries like UK, France, Denmark, Norway, etc... than it's quite obvious that there are some in Turkey. BUT, what difference does it make if he is an Islamist or not...? Why is it so important to you that he is proven to be an Islamist...? Are you interested in these news, because an innocent priest was killed, or because it happened in Turkey, by an Islamist...?

The articles i attached were the latest ones from those agencies at the time. Since than, Reuters released another article, (http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticleSearch.aspx?storyID=247113+09-Feb-2006+RTRS&srch=priest) feel free to read it.

If it doesn't interest you, than let me present you some more speculation that is published.


Police interrogated for a second day yesterday a 16-year-old teenager suspected of killing a Roman Catholic priest as the motive for the murder remained unclear.

The young suspect, identified only by the initials O.A., reportedly told interrogators on Tuesday that he killed priest Andrea Santoro to avenge the publication in European newspapers of cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed as a terrorist. In an apparent contradiction, the high school student also reportedly claimed that Santoro was paying him $100 for each time he attended church, but he was angered when the priest refused to raise the attendance fee on Saturday.


In his initial statement to police, O.A. said he had been receiving a sum of $400 from Santoro each month, but when Santoro would not agree to raise the sum, O.A. argued with him, allegedly “provoked” by the inflammatory cartoons published in Europe.

[Beykoz]

There was a thread for Turks and Greeks in this forum to stop the flamewars. Things were quiet for awhile. Now why have we started again??
Everything started when Cletus (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=14326) decided to have a few things to say mate.

Airborne and I are having a chat. Well, i am talking to him and he seems to be listening, but i think every second word is lost in transmission :).