One Night in a Rain Soaked Forest..E&E

[Mr. Bunny]

I just joined the yahoo group. Please add me. Btw great info on everything! This thread has made my weekend...

[East Scout II]

I tried to log in with the username and PW as exisiting member from the previous group... it states Im logged in but cant click on all the features. I use the login name ryan_woods88

You always have problems at yahoo..i dojnt think they like you...send me your email address and Ill add you....

[East Scout II]

I just joined the yahoo group. Please add me. Btw great info on everything! This thread has made my weekend...

Glad you enjoyed it....Just about everyone that joined in teh thread is top notch and knows their stuff............

But for that that guy RNGBOX......that guy is on crack with some of the **** he says........;-)

[East Scout II]

East scout,
the contents on the DPM smock is my PSK. A small tin carried always on person as last resource together with fixed blade. The contents:

Fire
Wire wool (to catch electric sparks from a battery)
Potassium permangate/cindy's crystals - fight with sugar/anti freeze for spontaneous combustion
15 paper matches
12 weatherproof matches
striker
square candle
8 barbeque pink fire starter papers
flint and steel (sharpened)
big magnetic magnifying glass (compared to the Victorinox magnifying glass I was very impressed with its result)
plastic spoon (makes life a lot easier and makes a good fire starter. Made the end serrated so a flame can easy catch on it)

Food and water
14 puritabs
Fishing kit including 4 weights, 4 medium hooks, 4 small hooks and fishing wire (not knotted)(fishing kit is standard from BCB)
2 condoms 1 is un-lubricated the other is in Chinese...
Brew kit – 2 ration tea bags
wire
large sheet of aluminum foil (use as container to boil water)

First aid
potassium permangate/cindy's crystals - water purification and fights foot fungi

Signaling
Inside of lid acts as signal mirror (can’t find a proper signal mirror here, might take it out of my Victorinox survival pouch)
standard BCB whistle (not too happy with it will replace it with a Fox 40)
the aluminum sheet used to reflect the sun (I realize it’s not a lot to go on but in the book “SOS” the guys got saved by their red, Ortlieb dry bag)

Navigation
Silva button compass (luminous)
The magnetic needles and safety pins can also act as a compass

Other
small lock knife
scalpel
BCB instructions (want to replace it with a “morale” paper)
BCB accident evacuation report
pencil
wire saw (key rings taken off, non greased)
1 large, 4 medium and 2 small safety pins (all magnetic)
sewing kit with several threads, 2 buttons, 1 large sized needle, 1 medium sized needle (magnetic, north side coloured red)
cotton wool
5.25m of Para cord wrapped around the tin.
Waterproof tape also wrapped around the tin

Some (crappy) pics:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/PC270638.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/PC270639.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/PC270640.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/PC270641.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/PC270642.jpg

Cheers,
Ryan

RW THAT IS ONE BAD ASS POST!

[Flagg]

Very interesting thread........I can't believe I missed this one

[kayaker]

RW THAT IS ONE BAD ASS POST!
Cheers, that means a lot!!

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/PC090001.jpg

This was my old Every Day Carry: Now new Cell, Spyderco folder and want to replace the Maglight with a Surefire or couple of Photons.

But it has got

pocket first aid kit (FAK) including:
paper bag to prevent hyperventilation,
field dressing,
plasters,
non sterile gloves,
and triangular bandage

Swiss Army knife: Vicotrinox Champ (SAK)
Zippo (with spare flints in the bottom).
paracord

Wallet with:
list of family/emergency numbers
emergency phone credit
Phonebox call card
button compass
signal mirror
public transport pass
200$ stiched into the side
my ID (passport for Europe)
And the usual...

Sometimes I carry my PSK aswell (as seen in previous post) but more so when Im out in the field. I can only see the wistle, sewing kit and safety pins come in handy...

[East Scout II]

Ryan the only item ide add to that every kit is some CS or Pepper Spray.......Other than that I saw a great kit..I just bought a couple of nice Police issue Pepper Spray Canister.......Hope i never have to use it..........

Anyone have any ideas for a water tight bag/box that will 100% keep my Digi Cam dry?

[East Scout II]

IEast Scout,
I will join ASAP. I'm currently between about 400 jobs, and car-less, so i can contribute a good deal. I have hundreds of photos of my AO, and I have a fair amount to share, and I'd enjoy doing what I can to contribute!


]
Canned salmon has over 100% of your daily value of protein.

Bro that looks like a can of strained dirty dypers!

Anyhow ..Great when you get the time have a look and sign in/up:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Survivalcamp/

If anyone sees MAstermind let him know too..

Also did anyone notice this thread was tossed to GD section then back yesturday? Thats one reason I made the survival egroup...I dont wanna piss anyone off in here talking survival in the Gear section all the time.....

[kayaker]

Good point!! That is a great idea actually: But they are only legal in Germany.. Not hard, just have to hop over the border. Then add soem double sided tape to the canister and can stick it under chair in train or inside a bin if a Police search occurs: which does happen here.

[kayaker]

I dont wanna piss anyone off in here talking survival in the Gear section all the time.....

But eveyone here can learn from you!! So I doubt you piss em off. Ungrateful bastards ;)

[East Scout II]

Well if comes to it and you want a small can lemme know Ill send you one...the small ones are about 3 inches high and have a key ring on them..

[kayaker]

Super!! If I cant get it, I will ask you, thanks!! You familiar with Paypal?
Or Ive got some exclusive gear I can get you: needles and syringes for your medpack? I cant ampulls with Opium based mixtures though :(.

What size is the camera? If you dont need to get it out quick Im sure Ortlieb has some great stuff: http://ortlieb.com/_list.php?lang=en&produkt=9&pname=camera%20bags
Ortlieb IMHO is the market's best in waterproof products.

[Phazed]

This thread is great, I read the whole thing last week in a very short amount of time.

Sadly I live in NYC with no car so I can't get as deep into this skill as you guys do. I can't even carry a knife in the city becasue everybuilding has a metal detector :roll:...maybe its time for a ceramic blade....p-)

I'm only in the city until the fall, then its back to school in upstate NY where a lot of hiking/camping/surviving will be done :)

[East Scout II]

Super!! If I cant get it, I will ask you, thanks!! You familiar with Paypal?

What size is the camera? If you dont need to get it out quick Im sure Ortlieb has some great stuff: http://ortlieb.com/_list.php?lang=en&produkt=9&pname=camera%20bags

Np just let me know and well get it done.......


Naw it will be for crossing dep water in the swamp so Il have it stowed in the LBE...Its about and inch thick and3 1/2 inches long..Its an older digi cam so its like a brick.....Ill have a look at those links..thanks.....On the off chance do you have any ideas for something to use i can find around the house? If i order anything else my wife is gonna kill me..I just ordered my Rubber Ducky mock M16A2 last night and 2 blackhawk ordsers
in 2 months......Ive hit my limit...

anyone ever used a tupperwear container?

@PHAZED

You are in the city you have a greater need than any of us...Urban survival is far more dangerous IMO than being out in the woods.......

[East Scout II]

Super!! If I cant get it, I will ask you, thanks!! You familiar with Paypal?
Or Ive got some exclusive gear I can get you: needles and syringes for your medpack? I cant ampulls with Opium based mixtures though :(.

What size is the camera? If you dont need to get it out quick Im sure Ortlieb has some great stuff: http://ortlieb.com/_list.php?lang=en&produkt=9&pname=camera%20bags
Ortlieb IMHO is the market's best in waterproof products.


Krapp I forgot to answer the forst part:

Yeah I know what paypal is..However my CC nor my bankcard will work on it for some reason that only my bank understands..... Im good bro..My med kits is pretty stocked..I even have some heavy duty pain meds in it for serious issues (100% legal from my Rx)..

One thing I wanna get is a real british Basha in DPM..I ordered one here in the states but when it arrived it was a JUNK copy made in China that weighed about 3 lbs.......absolutre junk..even the stiching is giving way and i only used it one time..So I may have to send you some means to pick one of those up for me in the UK one of these days..

[kayaker]

Cheers!!

Just looked round the house, spoke to bro, two oven/freezerbags with ziplock bag round it seem adequate... They're on about the ovenbags over at Equipped.org all the time: use instead of Durex in the PSK...

Whats the name of the painmeds? Rx? (BTW have a habit of editing my post late)

I know just the source for the Basha, SASS: only quality gear. However you pay for the quality however I know you only do the best. Pleasure getting the basha for ya if you ever need me to!!
How many people I have asked: when is the last time you regretted buying the best? I made the mistake before..

What you got of BH? im intruiged!!

Phazed, enjoy your time in the outdoors, but remember:
Take nothing but pictures
Kill nothing but time (only kill as part of survival training, not for waste or blood sports!!)
Leave nothing but footprints (preferable not actually, depeds overt or covert?)

[East Scout II]

I edit mine alot too..You can always tell when i crawled outta bed cause my posts read like hell....

I have darvacet..Its the little brother to percacet..strong stuff. Rx is a code for perscription med you in the UK would get at the Chemist i belive..

I ordered my BH Saw Gunner rig last month than i just ordered 2 side pouches for mt Bh #day ruck..love that ruck,,!!!!!!! Then my nylon hammock then the rubber ducky training aid last night..........and a bunck of other snaller supply items here and there...If you ever get a chnace to get a BH 3 day ruck do it..Youll be glad you did..

Thats the best discription I have heard yet:

Phazed, enjoy your time in the outdoors, but remember:
Take nothing but pictures
Kill nothing but time (only kill as part of survival training, nor for waste or blood sports!!)
Leave nothing but footprints

[Phazed]

@PHAZED

You are in the city you have a greater need than any of us...Urban survival is far more dangerous IMO than being out in the woods.......

I prefer to call it Urban Removal. If something were to happen here I'd be marching uptown off manhatten with my ALICE pack faster than anyone else.

But as far as normal day to day things go, you have have a high SA. Its alwasy the little tings though. The great thing about cities is the reflections. If i'm ever waiting in the subway late at night (or anywhere for that matter) I always position myself so that I can see someone coming up from behind me or if someone walks behind me I can make sure they keep going by and not stop right behind me. The eyes are always open.

[Hollis]

Originally Posted by East Scout
@PHAZED

You are in the city you have a greater need than any of us...Urban survival is far more dangerous IMO than being out in the woods.......

Completely agree, the worse vermin are two legged type. Their jungle is the city.

[kayaker]

Glad you liked it!

These guys are ok too for Basha: http://www.sofmilitary.co.uk/military/index.asp

Browsing the net for the BH 3day bergan now! I saw the rig round here, loong very good. Using that with the kayak? Must be great to travel round your place with that - very quiet!



My shopping list includes:

New air rifle - old one went bust with replacing springs :(
Mora fixed blade
Strobe light
Photon
SureFire
Couple of chemsticks...
And maybe a Swiss tool - not sure I can part with my Swiss Champ yet!!

Going to chemist, ask for strongest painkiller, still need that in my medkit: its pill form?

Good drills Phazed.

[Phazed]

What surefire are you getting?

I have the E2E with the LED head. I love it.

And you guys are 100% on about the city being "their" jungle.
Some people man....

[East Scout II]

Yes it comes in a pill and its a narcotic so I dont know how you would go about that in the UK. Here you need a Dr slip to get em..however try and see if they have a pill called Ultram..Its a small 50mg tab but it works pretty good and isnt a narcotic but its strong.......

Ask RGRBOX..he sells BH gear and its pretty reasonablely prices outa Switzerland..He is on this thread..I use my 3 day ruck for EVERYTHING..Kayak, scouting possible TAs, just walking. over nights.stocking it before a road trip with gear..You name it it gets used for it..I even form it so my dog can drink water from it like a bowl..

Are knives like K-Bar and other large military type knives permited in the UK and other parts of Europe?

[Durandal]

As promised, I have posted pics of the survival kit I mentioned (and Joe mentioned) a lot earlier in this thread...its changed a bit since then because of my new setting...

Link here:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1605668#post1605668

[kayaker]

What surefire are you getting?

I have the E2E with the LED head. I love it.

And you guys are 100% on about the city being "their" jungle.
Some people man....

I love the Aviator A2 but v expensive to justify... E1L or the G2 ($36) havent decided yet.

[kayaker]

All knifes permitted, but not allowed to carry anything above palm size. Lockin knifes are also a no no to carry. But nobody checks esspecially not in the woods..

Do you mean this ruck: http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum2121.php ?

Ultram.. written down.


Yes it comes in a pill and its a narcotic so I dont know how you would go about that in the UK. Here you need a Dr slip to get em..however try and see if they have a pill called Ultram..Its a small 50mg tab but it works pretty good and isnt a narcotic but its strong.......

Ask RGRBOX..he sells BH gear and its pretty reasonablely prices outa Switzerland..He is on this thread..I use my 3 day ruck for EVERYTHING..Kayak, scouting possible TAs, just walking. over nights.stocking it before a road trip with gear..You name it it gets used for it..I even form it so my dog can drink water from it like a bowl..

Are knives like K-Bar and other large military type knives permited in the UK and other parts of Europe?

[kayaker]

Looks great!
Couple of Q: why the sparklighter. Nt rather store a "light my fire" or swedish firesteel?
If you got the space: store tents, sleeping bag outside their bags, this way you dont get folds which thinnen the textile all the time... Good stuff though!


As promised, I have posted pics of the survival kit I mentioned (and Joe mentioned) a lot earlier in this thread...its changed a bit since then because of my new setting...

Link here:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1605668#post1605668

[USMC Tanker]

East Scout,
Not sure if anyone replied about a waterproof box for your digital camera, but a lot of our guys used Pelican Cases (http://www.pelican.com/) to hold personal electronics like digital cams, iPods, etc. I believe they're shock and water proof, but they are bulky...

Semper Fidelis

[East Scout II]

All knifes permitted, but not allowed to carry anything above palm size. Lockin knifes are also a no no to carry. But nobody checks esspecially not in the woods..

Do you mean this ruck: http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum2121.php ?

Ultram.. written down.

YES....Thats the ruck and that price is great too..However BH donst make anything in woodland camo anymore..I payed over 100$ for mine. I got mine directly from BH because at the time i knew they had it, i wanted it and I was heading to the mountains in a few days..

@USMC Tanker.........Thanks for info and the link pal.......

[East Scout II]

As promised, I have posted pics of the survival kit I mentioned (and Joe mentioned) a lot earlier in this thread...its changed a bit since then because of my new setting...

Link here:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1605668#post1605668

Thats a great post...how much does that box weigh fully loaded? I have a box like that but not as tall...Its US issue and has the same latches too...You gave me a good idea.........thanks..

ES

[Durandal]

Thats a great post...how much does that box weigh fully loaded? I have a box like that but not as tall...Its US issue and has the same latches too...You gave me a good idea.........thanks..

ES

'Bout 80 lbs...

Will fit sideways in a Ford Explorer.

[East Scout II]

Ah thanks...Mine will fit in the rear of my Jeep Cherokee pretty nicely...and has rounded edges on the bottom so if i had to drag it myself I could do it pretty easy...

Might i suggest you camo your box incase you end up E&Eing through the woods with it..;-)

[kayaker]

It is value for money for me, esspecially with the currency at the moment. Sounds great from your description too!!

Im looking for a bigger ruck right now. Like the Berghaus Vulcan (although heavy) as I experienced on my last big trip there are times I want to pack my basha, sleepingbag, roll matt and move FAST in the middle of the night.Something I can chuck everything in and go.

Mate, I know the pressure feeling of needing something couple of days before a trip and not having a chance to shop around... bitch, no? Happened with my boots: didnt have full confidence in the ones I had. Bad prep... but suprsingly the new ones were great, no blisters.

One thing I forgot to add the shopping list is penflares. They sell them in the UK. Real nice to have in your webbing!! And on the subject of signalling are smoke "grenades" legal in the US? - To mark my location.


YES....Thats the ruck and that price is great too..However BH donst make anything in woodland camo anymore..I payed over 100$ for mine. I got mine directly from BH because at the time i knew they had it, i wanted it and I was heading to the mountains in a few days..

@USMC Tanker.........Thanks for info and the link pal.......

[East Scout II]

Yes military smoke grenades are 100% legal in the US......they run about 45$ last i checked......

HAHA the wife dosnt understandwhen you need it just get the bloody thing and be done with it...When i need it money is no object to me..just get it done!

I like the three day ruck since i can walk out my back door and Im in my AO/TA and that enables me to do a lot of training outside of needing to hump an entire load..I have a full stock of larger rucks..two i have packed at the ready and the rest are hanging on the wall in the war room.......For summer in the swamp my 3 Day kicks ass.....But Its no good for training as if you had run out the door with your existance ruck....on the other hand the light weight of the three day helps you save energy for practicing other tasks..

[East Scout II]

Speaking of fast in the middle of the night we did a nigh land nav FTX a few weeks ago in the swamp.......I forgot how much fun that is as it had been so long since i had did it...we didnt stay over night though the weather was perfect...Just took LBE and headed to our objective then took the dirt road back..........

[TacoDelRio]

Good posts, guys! Very well thought out SK, RW!

East Scout,

I asked to be invited on the Yahoo group under the name "TacoDelRio".

I use a Pelican case for my camera and other stuff when I go out. It's big, but it fits in one of my chest rigs, and in a medium ALICE outside pouch just fine.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/TacoDelRio/DSC02140.jpg

[kayaker]

Whats the kit in the middle you're showing Mr?

[East Scout II]

You know MrSkor that look like one of those crew first aid kits you would "find" under the seat in a hummer or in a Helo stuck on the wall.......Those boxes were water tight and about the same size..i might have one buried around here some where in my endless pile of kit.........

[TacoDelRio]

Its a good container.

RW, it's a Pelican case. I usually put my wallet, cell phone, iPod, camera, etc in it, whatever I don't want to get wet. For size comparison, I put a hat in there, and I found some extra .308's in the case when I took the picture.

[East Scout II]

ipod? I got one of those for free..gave it to the wife..Im to much a retard when it comes to that stuff..

[kayaker]

Very nice!!

I use a Ortlieb plastic, foldable, transparent document holder. However I do like a solid protective case.

been nice talking, but Sesam street has been on so its bedtime for me!

[TacoDelRio]

Having an iPod is great. It's a life support system. Gives you some motivation when yer just walkin' along doing nothing in particular. Helps when I ruck, run, or walk. Sure as hell beats listening to cars, mariachi music, children screaming random things in Spanish, and police sirens.

There's a case out there made by OTTER, called the oPod or something. It's about $40. Supposed to be everything-proof, protection for your iPod.

My first one was stolen out of my car. This second one survived a fall down the side of an ice-coverd mountain for about 1/4 mile, in my front BDU blouse pocket. Not too bad. Louis Prima's jazz music sounds a little different going 40mph with a ruck on your back and no way to stop. :)

[RGRBOX]

Hey guys.. I just got back from a short weekend away, and I see great things have been happening on this thread.. again great pic durandel.. and welcome Ryan, and anyone else who i haven't seen on this thread... all of your ideas are great..

I have two types of survival kit I bring with me when I on foot, out and about.. first is a survival kit I purchased to try out.. and it comes with all you need , and it's some good qualitly kit..

Pro Survival Kit Co. I have the one that come in a small tobacco tin sized plastic container that you can wear around your neck.. go to www.prosurvivalkit.com

The main kit I carry it or items that can be used while out and about... of course I carry the standard stuff, and a little more in a BDU Pocket pouch from BHI. I also carry a US Army fishing kit I've had for almost 20 years, along with all of my standard Bushcraft kit I us.. the biggest, and most important thing I carry is knowledge.. if you really want to survive when the time comes, then learn how to.. learn everything from the basics to the advanced in Medicine, plants, animals, skinning, campcraft, water purification, traps, fire building etc.... there are so many things to learn to get cracking... and even if the only thing you have on you is a good knife, and the knwledge, then your chances are 99% better, then someone with everything, and nothing in the head...

[RGRBOX]

Very nice!!

I use a Ortlieb plastic, foldable, transparent document holder. However I do like a solid protective case.

been nice talking, but Sesam street has been on so its bedtime for me!

Speaking of Ortlieb... I have their toilet paper waterproof bag... great piece of kit.. keeps your s.h.i.t. paper dry, and your a.s.s. clean..

[Confed_up]

What are condoms used for? <--Pertaining to this thread.

*I dont think I would want a condom written in chinese, But I heard they are very efective for population control :) Just dont use condoms from Africa...:roll:

[RGRBOX]

What are condoms used for? <--Pertaining to this thread.

*I dont think I would want a condom written in chinese, But I heard they are very efective for population control :) Just dont use condoms from Africa...:roll:

A non lubricated condom, makes a good peice of kit to transport or gather water with... You can also put kit inside of them to protect it from water...

Take your mini survival kit, put it inside a condom, and put it up your ass... haven't done that one yet...

[East Scout II]

I thought you went on that FTX on Brokeback mountain?

[RGRBOX]

I thought you went on that FTX on Brokeback mountain?

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

Thanks bud... you want to go camping???

I've got a cold fire, and bad tent, and a hand full of spit..

[TacoDelRio]

Yeah he brought back more than a survival kit in his ass....

;)

[RGRBOX]

Yeah he brought back more than a survival kit in his ass....

;)

OK.. that's enough... let's get back on topic...

This is a good thread...

[East Scout II]

Gay jokes never get old.......:-)

RGRBOX..did you see the link to our RP egroup? You gonna sign up or no?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Survivalcamp/

[East Scout II]

What are condoms used for? <--Pertaining to this thread.

*I dont think I would want a condom written in chinese, But I heard they are very efective for population control :) Just dont use condoms from Africa...:roll:

I dont get near condoms...Im alergic to latex in a BAD way...I use snadwich bags and i have some no poweder no alergic reaction rubber gloves

[RGRBOX]

Gay jokes never get old.......:-)

RGRBOX..did you see the link to our RP egroup? You gonna sign up or no?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Survivalcamp/

Yeh.. I'm going to.. I'm not finished answering all of my e-mails after being gone for three days...

[East Scout II]

Np..i was just mentioning incase it got lost in the thread and you missed it..i know there was alot going on here and there etc etc..ok cool..

[RGRBOX]

Hey.. I joined, but it want let me post or anything... and yes, I'm logged on.. rgr_box

[East Scout II]

ill add you dirtectly..i had to do that with Ryan..just do what is says when you get the activation notice.......but you do have a yahoo account right?

[East Scout II]

Ok you're done...just follow the direction and all should be ok..

[Durandal]

Might i suggest you camo your box incase you end up E&Eing through the woods with it..;-)

If I have to camo it then all this is moot, then it will no longer serve its purpose because things have gotten FAR out of hand...

Then its onto plan B.

[Flagg]

If I have to camo it then all this is moot, then it will no longer serve its purpose because things have gotten FAR out of hand...

Then its onto plan B.

Same...I've put our basic preparation resources/energy into the basic:

1.)Stay at home in relative comfort during an emergency

2.)Get out very quickly in relative comfort during an emergency

If it ever came to #3, going bush........things are likely to be beyond hope for my wee family at this stage.

Although I REALLY enjoy experiencing the traditional light infantry stuff we do, it's not feasible with a pregnant wife and very young child unless we're talking about just hardcore camping in easily accessible terrain.

[TacoDelRio]

FLAGG, you should get a few nalgenes filled with MILO and stash 'em in the woods!


I always thought "WTF would I do if the shtuff hit the propellor?". Can't say I have the first idea as to what I'd do, other than probably sh*t my pants and watch the news for once.

Sorta sucks being in a city if that happens.

[Flagg]

FLAGG, you should get a few nalgenes filled with MILO and stash 'em in the woods!


I always thought "WTF would I do if the shtuff hit the propellor?". Can't say I have the first idea as to what I'd do, other than probably sh*t my pants and watch the news for once.

Sorta sucks being in a city if that happens.

I'm a MILO junkie......the NZ Army gets the stuff in the giant tins(that's half the reason for turning up to exercises!). I gots to get me some of them ;)

What is a nalgene? IS that some sort of zombie proof container? If so, I'll take 6 ;)

[FiveOneFive]

Pretty sure it's American for "Plastic Container".

[TacoDelRio]

Pretty sure it's American for "Plastic Container".

Yup.

Basically a hard plastic "unbreakable" container.
http://www.facewest.co.uk/pp/nalgene/lexan2.gif

I live in a Filipino neighborhood, so the shops here carry Milo. Haven't tried it yet.

[RGRBOX]

I haven't thought about using my Nalgene bottles for storing food in them... great idea...

[TacoDelRio]

Since they're airtight, you can put powder for coffee or whatever in them. I took a tip from the British, and I enjoy a good brew every so often, when I'm not dumb enough to leave my stuff at home. A nice hot cup of coffee can boost morale when you're frozen solid, or under the stars in the desert.

[Hollis]

I haven't thought about using my Nalgene bottles for storing food in them... great idea...

Nalgene makes lots of different type of containers, some do not have a reduce mouth, makes it easier to clean. Also the have lexan containers.

[kayaker]

and welcome Ryan

Speaking of Ortlieb... I have their toilet paper waterproof bag... great piece of kit.. keeps your s.h.i.t. paper dry, and your a.s.s. clean..

Thank you.

yeah, ortlieb is great. A British Para Pathfinder first recommended the stuff to me. I have a large dry bag from them, so much more profesional that bin liners and they last! Not to mention it can act as a floation device inside the Bergan. Also a map case and document holder for big lighter, tissues (ass wipes), notebook, Cell, signal mirror, money and ID (yep even on trips I carry those)
However you pay for the quality.

[kayaker]

Same...I've put our basic preparation resources/energy into the basic:

1.)Stay at home in relative comfort during an emergency

2.)Get out very quickly in relative comfort during an emergency



Really like the idea. Because sometimes its best to stay put were you got your supplies, maybe water and a rifle to protect yourself if push comes to shove. Where will the rescue force go first once its organised? The mountains or the cities? And not always will the situation degrade to total anarchy. (some)Neighbours are prepared to help others, as shown in this thread. WELCOME!!

[kayaker]

Speaking of Ortlieb... I have their toilet paper waterproof bag... great piece of kit.. keeps your s.h.i.t. paper dry, and your a.s.s. clean..

Saw it in their new catelogue I ordered!! Nice!! But at 1/4 kg I would leave it at home when the hiking is being done.. Catelogue:

"Can be opened fast in emergencies" rofl

[Hollis]

There are other tricks, I have used zip lock bags with no problems. cost is almost nothing, and you can place a WP bag in your pack and use zips for the small stuff and place them in the WP bag.

Turkey roasting bags are good for VBL for your boots and if your books are not that "waterproof" will help. Keep in ming feet perspire a lot. Sure xtra dry helps..

Those big plastic boxes are great, but also depends where you keep them. The cheapers ones are fine for more secure areas, The better ones.. are well suited for the open bed of a pickup. Milk crates are great to but they need protection from the elements, Great for Shops or SUVs..

[TacoDelRio]

An alternative I've found to ziplock bags that are a bit better are the bags that BLACKHAWK gear comes in. It's a bit thicker. Some of the labels are held on with staples, so those bags aren't watertight, but they're still good for holding stuff.

[RGRBOX]

I myself also prefer zip locl bags.. but I've found some other good stuff out their and because I sell all of it I have to test it all. The Ortlieb Toilt Rill Bag is great.. bomb proof, and I never ever worry about having wet waper.. it's also orange so I can find it fast.. it comes with a roll of TP inside.. I just add a book of matches to burn the paper to help the environment out..

That's another thing that all of you out there should look into, and that's protecting the land you enjoy using..

Anyway, Aktis has some good WP bags.. and one thing about water proof bags is that if you carry some 100 MPH tap with you you can always put some over a hole.. and it will never come off.. I still have a US Army WP Bag I was issued from about 15 years ago.. and it works great..

[TacoDelRio]

My waterproof bag has a few holes in it, but it's still good for my ruck.

[East Scout II]

For some reason Iv gotten into bagging thing individualy instead of heaving one huge water tight bag for the whole ruck..I bought these german sleepingbag water tight bags and put sleep gear in that and most everything else gets its own..BDUs in one..Tshirt,sock get one..i group them out..so everything wont get wet from one hole...

[Hollis]

For some reason Iv gotten into bagging thing individualy instead of heaving one huge water tight bag for the whole ruck..I bought these german sleepingbag water tight bags and put sleep gear in that and most everything else gets its own..BDUs in one..Tshirt,sock get one..i group them out..so everything wont get wet from one hole...

I think what you are doing is wise, even things you place in a WP bag can leak and effect other stuff. Plus you can organize them better rather than one big cluster.......

[East Scout II]

True HolliS...Sometimes it takes longer to figure out what is what but its nothing critical like Iv lost my med kit in the mess and like...Its real easy to seperate thing in the MOLLE II ruck seeing how its modular and things are seperated anyhow.......

[RGRBOX]

I've always seperated my WP bags into three catagories.. First, an on the bottom.. sleeping bag.. if carried. second, clothing, and warm kit.. third, food... of course not all food needs to go into a WP bag.. I use often a mesh bag for things that desn't need protection.. this way, I can just pull out a bag, and I know what to expect. Because the ol ALICE LArge has an inside radio pocket, I often put my food, and bayonet inside of there.. I would then have the WP clothing bag next, and slepping bag if carried on the bottom.. I carried WP jkt, in the center outside pocket, poncho in the left side looking at the ruck, and WP pants on the left side. In the top flap, I'd carry bungee cords, and 550 cord, in two small sacks that I could pull out if needed. on the right side was my e-tool, and 2 qt on the left side... I would fold my sleeping mat up and put it in the fram next to my back... inside of the three small outside pocket above the large pockets, I would put extra weapond cleaning kit, and a can of WD40... my toilet kit was inside my clothing bag... I carried a lot of stuff on my belt kit too... I 've been working for 10 years to find a ruck that can do all of that again, and not be an ALICE ruck.. It's been a hard search. I found the Kifaru Zulu, and I configured on the MOLLE system outside large pouches and my 2 qt and e-tool to be the same as my ol ALICE.. and it works great.. I would just prefer to have the Zulu with an external frame.. not the ALICE fram, but a better made on.. I need to get myself the new MOLLE 2 ruck frame to see if I can set up my MOLLE 2 ruck as my ALICE..... Althought the ALICE was a and is a not perfect ruck, my Zulu is better.. but as I said not perfect... yet..

[Sabre]

Ortlieb stuff is good, but the bergan liners are not immersion proof. Even brand new ones will let in some water through the roll top. Don't ask me how it manages it but some water still gets in. The best thing if you are bergan rafting is a) to separately bag everything inside the bergan liner anyway b) gather up some spare bivi bag from your sleeping system and place DPMs etc inside, twist the top to seal it and then seal the ortleib bag. That way any water that gets in will just get the bivi bag wet.

[East Scout II]

I cant believe this threads has gotten this many pages and posts......:-).

[kayaker]

WOw, thats an eye opener Sabre!! My docu and map case use same system but with velcro and they're as tight as a Ducks ass.

East Scout,
Yeah you won!! Three times as long as my beltkit one :D :D p-)
Was reading through it, still interesting old posts there!! Ill also enter my PSK tin pics there...

[East Scout II]

Hey bro it was that post that inspired me ...........I too like ready that thread.

[kayaker]

Hey bro it was that post that inspired me ...........I too like ready that thread.

Cheers! I still read it now and again! ...sssh! :)

[RGRBOX]

This thread still has a way to go to be as long as the babes thread...

[East Scout II]

Babes are like noses..everywhere you look theres one...Gear is forever!
Ah Im having Taco Bell tonight.......How does one fit that into this thread?

[TacoDelRio]

Taco Bell is highly inferior to the real Mexican food we have here.

Damn I hate LA.

And I have nothing to contribute since I odn't have a car. I am thinking of riding my bike to the mountains, strapping it to my ruck frame, climbing a mountain, then riding back down below the snowline. That'll be "neat".

My motivation has been low though, so I dunno.

[East Scout II]

WOw, thats an eye opener Sabre!! My docu and map case use same system but with velcro and they're as tight as a Ducks ass.

East Scout,
Yeah you won!! Three times as long as my beltkit one :D :D p-)
Was reading through it, still interesting old posts there!! Ill also enter my PSK tin pics there...

I just bought a home lamination kit. Doing some evidence gathering for my court case I went to a site that has aerial pictures of my area in color taken last summer...I ran off 4 pages of the swamp where i operate (and some exstended outter areas) and laminated them..Ill use them in conjunction with my topo map (wich is flat in this area so land contour is out the window)......Lamination will protect your map but it restricst storage as you can only fold them so many times. However they will fit in my mapcase wich only folds one time so it works..


ES

[East Scout II]

BTW i found a really cheap water tight container to store my digi cam in..Peanutbutter jar! I padded it with the foam that came out of my BHI SAW rig..presto!

[kayaker]

BTW i found a really cheap water tight container to store my digi cam in..Peanutbutter jar! I padded it with the foam that came out of my BHI SAW rig..presto!

Good idea! I always like to hear of those cheap alternatives!!

I use old waterproof DPM jackets to get my 58' up to standard :D

[Flagg]

We just had an interesting experience in the last couple of hours.

A tsunami warning was issued for our part of the world and living on the beach ensured our undivided attention.

Got a phone call at about 0520 from family in the US warning us about the tsunami warning.

Suprisingly, my wife and I got our sh!t together quite quickly.

While my wife was getting mini-me ready I had both vehicles loaded in about 10 minutes with:

critical valuables/stores(all prepackaged! woohoo!)

My army kit(always ready to go....woohoo!)

baby food/supplies/clothes/sleeping bags(90% always ready to go...woohoo!)

We didn't need to go any further than that...**** tube told us the tsunami warning was lifted.

It was a good unannounced drill for us, the things I've taken from it so far are:

*We've got a reasonably good plan, but it's verbal and not written down as it should be......and it should be listed by order of priority.

*Although we've got a good handle on critical/essential bits to take and had most of them packed, I didn't have any water bottles other than my filled canteens and hydro-pak(8 litres) and I'm not lifting a 1000 litre water tank on a pallet into the bed of a ute.

*We have extensive supplies of long-shelf life food, but none of it packed up and ready to go(besides baby food and dog food) with the exception of about half a dozen rat pack main meals.

*I'm left wondering about things like a toolbox(what to bring/what not to)

*With the exception of our cell phones and car radios we've got no comms.

*And my wife had everything in the house unplugged except for the living room for us to check the news...and was going to have me trip the main circuit breaker if we left...something I completely spaced on and never considered.....my wife's smart like that

I reckon we're better off than most in preparing for an emergency, but we still need a good bit of work.

[RGRBOX]

We just had an interesting experience in the last couple of hours.

A tsunami warning was issued for our part of the world and living on the beach ensured our undivided attention.

Got a phone call at about 0520 from family in the US warning us about the tsunami warning.

Suprisingly, my wife and I got our sh!t together quite quickly.

While my wife was getting mini-me ready I had both vehicles loaded in about 10 minutes with:

critical valuables/stores(all prepackaged! woohoo!)

My army kit(always ready to go....woohoo!)

baby food/supplies/clothes/sleeping bags(90% always ready to go...woohoo!)

We didn't need to go any further than that...**** tube told us the tsunami warning was lifted.

It was a good unannounced drill for us, the things I've taken from it so far are:

*We've got a reasonably good plan, but it's verbal and not written down as it should be......and it should be listed by order of priority.

*Although we've got a good handle on critical/essential bits to take and had most of them packed, I didn't have any water bottles other than my filled canteens and hydro-pak(8 litres) and I'm not lifting a 1000 litre water tank on a pallet into the bed of a ute.

*We have extensive supplies of long-shelf life food, but none of it packed up and ready to go(besides baby food and dog food) with the exception of about half a dozen rat pack main meals.

*I'm left wondering about things like a toolbox(what to bring/what not to)

*With the exception of our cell phones and car radios we've got no comms.

*And my wife had everything in the house unplugged except for the living room for us to check the news...and was going to have me trip the main circuit breaker if we left...something I completely spaced on and never considered.....my wife's smart like that

I reckon we're better off than most in preparing for an emergency, but we still need a good bit of work.

I hope all passes well for you and your family Flagg.. but very good questions... I've just had some fo that same conversation with my wife this past weekend. So from my business, I'm starting to go thru catalogs for things I never imagined I would need, and have made a few calls to companies for items.. I'm next going to look into ration packs... and water blivits...

[East Scout II]

We just had an interesting experience in the last couple of hours.

A tsunami warning was issued for our part of the world and living on the beach ensured our undivided attention.

Got a phone call at about 0520 from family in the US warning us about the tsunami warning.

Suprisingly, my wife and I got our sh!t together quite quickly.

While my wife was getting mini-me ready I had both vehicles loaded in about 10 minutes with:

critical valuables/stores(all prepackaged! woohoo!)

My army kit(always ready to go....woohoo!)

baby food/supplies/clothes/sleeping bags(90% always ready to go...woohoo!)

We didn't need to go any further than that...**** tube told us the tsunami warning was lifted.

It was a good unannounced drill for us, the things I've taken from it so far are:

*We've got a reasonably good plan, but it's verbal and not written down as it should be......and it should be listed by order of priority.

*Although we've got a good handle on critical/essential bits to take and had most of them packed, I didn't have any water bottles other than my filled canteens and hydro-pak(8 litres) and I'm not lifting a 1000 litre water tank on a pallet into the bed of a ute.

*We have extensive supplies of long-shelf life food, but none of it packed up and ready to go(besides baby food and dog food) with the exception of about half a dozen rat pack main meals.

*I'm left wondering about things like a toolbox(what to bring/what not to)

*With the exception of our cell phones and car radios we've got no comms.

*And my wife had everything in the house unplugged except for the living room for us to check the news...and was going to have me trip the main circuit breaker if we left...something I completely spaced on and never considered.....my wife's smart like that

I reckon we're better off than most in preparing for an emergency, but we still need a good bit of work.

YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT IS ONE HELL OF A FUKING STORY! Im gonna make my wife read this when she gets home from work...You planned, you saw and you were ontop of the situation....Well done. Im glad it was just a drill. At least your able to tweek it to better prepare for the next situation.. I can imagine the anxiety meter was off the scale.........Thanks for sharing on this thread Mr Flagg....

ES

[TacoDelRio]

Good eye opener Flagg. Thanks for sharing!

[SharpShooter282]

I hope all passes well for you and your family Flagg.. but very good questions... I've just had some fo that same conversation with my wife this past weekend. So from my business, I'm starting to go thru catalogs for things I never imagined I would need, and have made a few calls to companies for items.. I'm next going to look into ration packs... and water blivits...

Lol, I had the same with discussion with my fiancee a few days ago... Her answer was: Grumpfffffff ;-)

[RGRBOX]

Lol, I had the same with discussion with my fiancee a few days ago... Her answer was: Grumpfffffff ;-)

Hey Sharp.. you may have to change fiancees..p-)

[East Scout II]

Permetherin...Great Wal-Mart of china sells permetherin spray for gear and clothing now..I did my tigers and WD BDUs with a can..took 1 can to do a full set including the cover (bush hat)..Also did my web-gear and BHI 3 day ruck..

The **** is great......I went from finding myself covered in tic to finding not one this week...down side is it will probably give me skin cancer ina few years.......;-)

[akmarksman]

We set out Saturday morning with the intention of using full Bergans. At the last minute i told the group to drop thier rucks and they had 10 minutes to put what ever they wanted to carry in their LBE/PLCE kit..I ditched my PLCE webbing for the PLCE Vest..There was a lot of pissbagging at this point..

.The temp was bout 50F when we steped out and it started dropping in a steady manner through out the afternoon along with a steady rain. This for me was a welcome intervention to help keep the hunters and Game Warden at bay, but not totaly...We made it to the heart of the swamp with about 2 hours to get a fire going and to set up some improvised shelters before the sun went down....

All the kit i used was British..Soldier 95 RipStop Parka did well as did the British Goretx trousers..I had no insulation but for my trousers under the Gortex over pants and a DPM Blouse under my S95 Parka..So it was one cold SOB come midnight........
Give me my knife,my Surefire,my Camelbak and a MRE..Good to go.

[East Scout II]

Give me my knife,my Surefire,my Camelbak and a MRE..Good to go.

Whats your point?

[Durandal]

Lol, I had the same with discussion with my fiancee a few days ago... Her answer was: Grumpfffffff ;-)

Ask her where she is going to get food for 6 weeks if Swiss borders are closed due to a pandemic in Europe. p-)

[Durandal]

Give me my knife,my Surefire,my Camelbak and a MRE..Good to go.

I think you have to be the biggest bull$hitter on this forum.

[East Scout II]

I think you have to be the biggest bull$hitter on this forum.

HAHAH... He gets to wear the dumbass hat and gets to sit in the corner for the rest of the day...350 posts on this thread and he was the first one to bring up even the smallest hint of a pissing contest in the making....


I guess he has a big "S" on his chest cause I just dont get why he posted that.......

[SharpShooter282]

Hey Sharp.. you may have to change fiancees..p-)
No I keep her ;-) ....she's the my perfect women! I'love her sooooooooo much

[SharpShooter282]

Ask her where she is going to get food for 6 weeks if Swiss borders are closed due to a pandemic in Europe. p-)
Yup, I've told her about that...and she was ok with me!
So I'll begin to prepare our survival kit (for us both, the dog and the 2 guinea pigs)




PS: her GRUMMPPPF was to laugh....she wasn't serious! She's also a pro-military...

[Hollis]

Yup, I've told her about that...and she was ok with me!
So I'll begin to prepare our survival kit (for us both, the dog and the 2 guinea pigs)
...

one of the best ways and old way to preserve food, is to keep them alive 'till you need to eat them


(hoping she does not read this :| )

[SharpShooter282]

one of the best ways and old way to preserve food, is to keep them alive 'till you need to eat them


(hoping she does not read this :| )

Lol........
But they're both male...and they're a bit gay :-) .....

[kayaker]

Give me my knife,my Surefire,my Camelbak and a MRE..Good to go.

No rather fixed blade (Frost (Mora), Woodlore or similar, backup folder like SAK, photon, in a survival situation preferably a canteen to hydration pack, Surefire, PSK, FAK, heliograph, laplander folding saw...

[East Scout II]

No rather fixed blade (Frost (Mora), Woodlore or similar, backup folder like SAK, photon, in a survival situation preferably a canteen to hydration pack, Surefire, PSK, FAK, heliograph, laplander folding saw...


Thats weird..I was gonna agree when you said wrong thread then when i went to quote it was a whole differnt post..i checked it twice and it did it twice...........

[kayaker]

Yeah something went completely tjts up... hang on there ES I've got a plan...;)

(BTW this is the saw Im talking about: http://cambriansurvival.co.uk/kit-shop-4.html Great guy th person who runs the school..)

[kayaker]

Wrong thread.

[Hollis]

Lol........
But they're both male...and they're a bit gay :-) .....

Happy meals?

[East Scout II]

Yeah something went completely tjts up... hang on there ES I've got a plan...;)

(BTW this is the saw Im talking about: http://cambriansurvival.co.uk/kit-shop-4.html Great guy th person who runs the school..)

I think that was the school I contacted about attending..They told me no fuking way do they want a Yank wearing DPM running about the coutry side..No seriously they said I had to come with a group or I couldnt come..:-(

Anyhow that saw looks good...I have one that I aquired when I was doing tree removale years ago. You can imagine by now its on its last leg..even missing teeth..I have been looking for a replacment but no dice yet..I keep fidning cheap made is china junk that cant handle a weekend in the swamp with me...Bent blades on folding saws just suck....

[TacoDelRio]

Yo anyone

What's a good water filter that I can carry in my ruck, to filter enough water for say, a month?

[Hollis]

I like sweet water and Pur, they have several models. also there are sanitizers which weigh less, you can make them (Sodium hypochlorate (bleach in dry form) and Hydrogen peroxide, and a coffee filter (to remove turbidity) Sanitizers also can be used to sanitize produce. And cure the runs (hydrogen peroxide) also good in med kit.

[Adam Wilhelm]

MSR MiniWorks is highly recommended by a friend of mine.

http://www.msrcorp.com/filters/images/miniworks_ex.jpg

MSR Miniworks (http://www.msrcorp.com/filters/miniworks_ex.asp)

[Sabre]

Yo anyone

What's a good water filter that I can carry in my ruck, to filter enough water for say, a month?

Try a millbank bag. Water needs purifying afterwards (iodine will do for western countries, but chlorine ought to be used abroad). Millbank bags will filter wet mud given the chance.

[kayaker]

Mr,
whats the price range? This is pretty good for a month. Not too heavy in the ruck or on the wallet..

[kayaker]

I think that was the school I contacted about attending..They told me no fuking way do they want a Yank wearing DPM running about the coutry side..No seriously they said I had to come with a group or I couldnt come..:-(


Ow, I hope this isnt the school of Cambrian survival! I am seriouslt sorry to hear it otherwise because I recommended it to you and have had a great experience with the Chief instructor myself! So it comes as a shock...

However what I do know is that all classes are tought in groups and although there are instructors there with a military background they dont run combat survival classes. But they didnt have a problem with people wearing partial DPM's when I was there IMHO.

[RGRBOX]

Yeah something went completely tjts up... hang on there ES I've got a plan...;)

(BTW this is the saw Im talking about: http://cambriansurvival.co.uk/kit-shop-4.html Great guy th person who runs the school..)

That's the one that I use...

[kayaker]

Nice! Did you get it with or without the coating?

[East Scout II]

Ow, I hope this isnt the school of Cambrian survival! I am seriouslt sorry to hear it otherwise because I recommended it to you and have had a great experience with the Chief instructor myself! So it comes as a shock...

However what I do know is that all classes are tought in groups and although there are instructors there with a military background they dont run combat survival classes. But they didnt have a problem with people wearing partial DPM's when I was there IMHO.

Im just fuking with you..But i did contact one school over there cause i really wantd to get out in the woods over there..I think it run by or with Berry Davies (i think..He had pictures on thier webpage) and I was told they only take groups..They were gonna include me in a group of office workes going for the fun of it but they never got a strait answer on wether there was an opening in thier group so i could be fit in..No worries..I have plenty of swamp to keep me busy..:-)

[East Scout II]

This fella had his filter with him when we went to the mountains last summer. I think it took him like 45 minutes to fill two 1qt canteen...I was about to lose my mind waiting for him.........I just use tabs or boil or both..Or i make a filter in the field..........I dont want one of those things clutering up my ruck..Just one more peice of gear Ill have to maintain and carry..Ill have plenty of that w/o the filter....... ;-)

[RGRBOX]

Nice! Did you get it with or without the coating?

What coating???

as for Survival /Bushcraft School.. I have a friend who teaches at Bushcraft Expeditions.. try them..

On the water filter, Sabre is right on with the Millbank Bag.. I've got one, and like it alot.. but I do bring a Katadyn Mini filter with me too. A little bit faster to filter the water... but one good thing about the Millbank bag is you can fill it up, then hang it over a Billy can, and leave it alone.. afterwards you can either put Iodine, Clorine or just filter it with a water filter.. or boil it.. the Millbank gets out all of the grime, and big stuff from the water before you filter it.. this also saves your filter some...

I used my mini filter last weekend froma good clean mountain creek.. it did the job without any bad tastes.. but it took a will to pump it..

The problem with the MSR filter is the pump arm is plastic. I broke one once showing it to a client in my shop.. but the good thing about it, is that it screws right onto a Nalgene bottle.. I like that about it.. I'd like to find an adapter so I can feed my tube from my Katadyn onto the lid of my Nalgene bottles..

[TacoDelRio]

The MSR looks like a good deal. I hate plastic, but eh... I may be able to fabricate something for it by having a new handle and joints welded together. The fact that it goes on a Nalgene bottle is what I really like. I don't mind taking awhile to pump new water. The way I do it, that won't be a problem. When I lead hikes and such with civilians, they take awhile on breaks and lunch, and I don't take time at all, so I usually get time to be overly creative with a map and china marker, or I could purify some extra water from a river or streambed. Looks like a winner.

I'd like to see if I can't dig a Millbank bag up somewhere in the LA area too, to supplement this and grab some extra water at night while I'm out of camp moving around, or during a sleeping shift.

Thanks guys!

[East Scout II]

man just get some tabs or use HolliS's advice...screw a pump...If the hammer drops you need the room for far more inportant items..LIKE AMMO!;-)

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

man just get some tabs or use HolliS's advice...screw a pump...If the hammer drops you need the room for far more inportant items..LIKE AMMO!;-)Oh I would take a good pump better the extra weight than to be sh**ting so fast that you think your melting. :)

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

How common is Cryptosporidium in the US, it’s pretty resistant to chlorination.

[East Scout II]

Oh I would take a good pump better the extra weight than to be sh**ting so fast that you think your melting. :)

Yeah I know to each his own..I just wanted to post something..Im bored.....Dude thats funny......"****ting so fast your melting"..Im still laughing.

[Durandal]

MSR MiniWorks is highly recommended by a friend of mine.

http://www.msrcorp.com/filters/images/miniworks_ex.jpg

MSR Miniworks (http://www.msrcorp.com/filters/miniworks_ex.asp)

Having used one on my last backpacking trip, I give two thumbs up. I have absolutely no info though on how long the filters last. I was trying to keep my weight load to a minimum and started out with 2L of water and refilled at creeks when needed.

Filters out just about anything and the water was tasty.

So long as you are drinking the stuff right away, I would not worry about chlorine or anything silly. No different than rural water from a well. Probably a LOT cleaner.

[Hollis]

a note on filters, it is nice to beable to BACK filter. also a little pre filter is nice.

A filter.. filters particulates, so if you stick it in a slug hole, it will plug up faster. Generally I would filter water I would have normally drank anyway. So watch the input end, keep it out of the sluge...

There are some storage issue. Things grow in damp wet worlds. Some filters have Iodine resin that is used to kill virus' that can not be filteres. I have several filters, Pur Expedition, scout and a sweet water. It adds a little more options.

[Sabre]

That's what's good about a millbank bag. You can fill it up with a spadeful of saturated soil and you'll get a good amount of water out of it. No expensive filter to block up, just scoop the solid stuff out afterwards. Further filtration/treatment can be done later if you want. It weighs nothing at all, and sits nicely under your water bottle.

[East Scout II]

That's what's good about a millbank bag. You can fill it up with a spadeful of saturated soil and you'll get a good amount of water out of it. No expensive filter to block up, just scoop the solid stuff out afterwards. Further filtration/treatment can be done later if you want. It weighs nothing at all, and sits nicely under your water bottle.

Those are those long things that look like a sock correct and are issued to the British military chaps?

Dude what happened to your face in your pic?

[Sabre]

It was very windy!

Yeah, they do look a bit like a sock. They're not issued though.

Best photo I could find:

http://www.pjonline.com/Editorial/20000122/pictures/Millbankbag.jpg

[FozzieBear]

It was very windy!

Yeah, they do look a bit like a sock. They're not issued though.

Best photo I could find:

http://www.pjonline.com/Editorial/20000122/pictures/Millbankbag.jpg
ive heard some chinese whispers in cadets about a new water filter being issued to squaddies? does like 2 litres of water in no time at all? i havent heard anything apart from that anyone know anything about this?

[Adam Wilhelm]

I have absolutely no info though on how long the filters last.

Approx. 2000L.

[Sabre]

ive heard some chinese whispers in cadets about a new water filter being issued to squaddies? does like 2 litres of water in no time at all? i havent heard anything apart from that anyone know anything about this?

The new camelback has a filter fitted to the tube.

[FozzieBear]

The new camelback has a filter fitted to the tube.
got any experience with it? is it any good?

[EsoognomEhT]

Was that because of the large number of people there weren't bothering to clean them and thus getting all sorts of tummy bugs? Or was that just a vicious rumour he he he

[Resurrection]

Wow... this thread is amazing. Kudos to you guys and thanks for the stories and pics.

Living/camping out in the forest seems like a great experience, I'll make sure to try it out some time. Just one question for you East Scout - why do you bring along a weapon? I'm assuming it's the real deal?


Again, thanks for the great thread. :)

[RGRBOX]

http://www.ukkitmonster.com/product_info.php?cPath=37&products_id=221&osCsid=148b4ec101974f7176857198bfe66692

Try this link for the Millbank Bag..

[RGRBOX]

That's what's good about a millbank bag. You can fill it up with a spadeful of saturated soil and you'll get a good amount of water out of it. No expensive filter to block up, just scoop the solid stuff out afterwards. Further filtration/treatment can be done later if you want. It weighs nothing at all, and sits nicely under your water bottle.

I use a millbank bag myself, but I never put un-clean water in my canteens.. never.. I filter the water into a billycan, bucket, or canteen cup. Then I either boil the water, or filter the water with my water filter.. this way I don't have to stand next to the water sourse for a long time, freezing, and it's a danger zone.. I can then sit either in the camp next to my fire, and just hang up the bag and let it run.. It does take a while.. it's not something that filters in 30 seconds.. and once the bag is finished I turn it inside out, and wash it off from the lake, creek, river etc...

[Weasel]

Approx. 2000L.
A pressure control valve indicates when you have to clean the filter.

This waterfilter fits exactle onto MSR dromedar water sacks. Works perfectly. :)

[Hollis]

if your filtering clean water, it last much longer. If you trying to filter mud out of it, a lot less.

[Hollis]

A pressure control valve indicates when you have to clean the filter.

This waterfilter fits exactle onto MSR dromedar water sacks. Works perfectly. :)

That is a good, other filter companys have bottle attachments that you can buy. I prefer the attachment. Having the bag attached to the filter can be awkward at times.

[East Scout II]

Wow... this thread is amazing. Kudos to you guys and thanks for the stories and pics.

Living/camping out in the forest seems like a great experience, I'll make sure to try it out some time. Just one question for you East Scout - why do you bring along a weapon? I'm assuming it's the real deal?


Again, thanks for the great thread. :)

Im glad you enjoyed it..I hope everyone has gotten something from it..Its seems to be well recieved by all...Not one pissing contest yet!!!!.....;-)

As for the weapons...I have taken weapon maybe 3-5 times in the last 6 years...I take them often patroling my property in the swamp but thats another story..If I take them or have taken them trianing its either outta fear of dogs in the swamp or doing some sort of defensive E&E training..I seldom ever use one..Now I have a rubber ducky so I dont have to take out a real firearm if i wish not to..safer all the way around for all concerned..A weapon is just another tool of survival and should be trained with as one sees fit just as any other tool....

Thank Resurrection,

East Scout

[Resurrection]

Ahh now I understand, thanks for the explanation. When are you planning on going out on your next exercise?

[East Scout II]

Ahh now I understand, thanks for the explanation. When are you planning on going out on your next exercise?

There's no ryme or reason..Could get up and go in the next 1/2 hour or I could go next week..Who knows...I usaully get out at the very least 4 times a week doing something......

[East Scout II]

Any of you guys ever use filter straws? I have one in my E&E kit for emergencys use but I never used one just to use it.......

ES

[Sabre]

got any experience with it? is it any good?

You're joking, not been issued the first camelback. Come to think of it, I've not been issued any gucci kit...

[akmarksman]

HAHAH... He gets to wear the dumbass hat and gets to sit in the corner for the rest of the day...350 posts on this thread and he was the first one to bring up even the smallest hint of a pissing contest in the making....


I guess he has a big "S" on his chest cause I just dont get why he posted that.......no..smart@ss..I saw the thread and thought I'd post something..
I don't believe I would need that much gear for a E&E..I live in avalanche country..the thought passes my mind everytime I go outside in the winter..
I have a good water supply nearby,a standby generator and a couple of guns..the warehouse store is down the road(it's like 1.4miles away)..and I never really eat that much..a MRE kept me going in the wild for 3 days with 2qt canteen..
I never ate that much during Basic or in my 4 years in the Army..

[East Scout II]

Never discount what you think you may need and what you think you may not need..Unless you're immune to cold and hypothermia or you're waterproof and have a Star Trek food replicater in your pocket then youll need gear in many forms at many levels.....there is no determination how long one will be E&E'ing if the hammer dropped and it will wear down w/ time. The more you wear out the more youll have to rely on your gear.........Anyhow, crystalballs dont really work. No one knows what to expect..

Im doubting your trying to be a punk but your wording testifies otherwise..I think maybe I just took your post the wrong way..

ES

[USMC Tanker]

Just wanted to let you all know about the new ILBE (Improved Load Bearing Equipment made by Arc' Teryx). Last week I had to trade in my MOLLE system for the ILBE. I haven't taken it out to the field yet, but I thought you'd like to hear my initial assessment.

This pack is heavy on the padding! The hip pad is almost 2.5 inches thick, a treasure trove of padding on the back, and pretty hefty shoulder straps as well.

There are several well-placed handles on the side and top of the pack to assist moving the pack. The materials seem top-notch across the board. Overall, the MARPAT/Coyote and design of the pack make it look very high speed and rugged.

There are straps everywhere on the exterior of the pack so you can compress the pack if carrying a light load.

With it being an internal frame pack, it has one big cargo compartment so it is not even close to being as modular as the MOLLE system. There is zipper access on both sides so you don't have to go in through the top to get gear that's packed on the bottom.

The top flap of the pack is a pouch in itself, similar to the map pouch on the ALICE, but much bigger. A good place to keep your poncho, e-tool, and other wet/cold-weather gear accessible.

Comfort wise, I don't really like how the shoulder straps are so close together. As always, I keep my pack packed at all times for atleast 4 days in the field. Just standing in my living room with it on for 5 minutes, my shoulders started to ache. I could wear a fully loaded MOLLE all day with no major complaints.

Overall, decent pack, interesting concept, interesting design. Maybe it will become comfortable after I break it in...but I miss my MOLLE.

[RGRBOX]

Just wanted to let you all know about the new ILBE (Improved Load Bearing Equipment made by Arc' Teryx). Last week I had to trade in my MOLLE system for the ILBE. I haven't taken it out to the field yet, but I thought you'd like to hear my initial assessment.

This pack is heavy on the padding! The hip pad is almost 2.5 inches thick, a treasure trove of padding on the back, and pretty hefty shoulder straps as well.

There are several well-placed handles on the side and top of the pack to assist moving the pack. The materials seem top-notch across the board. Overall, the MARPAT/Coyote and design of the pack make it look very high speed and rugged.

There are straps everywhere on the exterior of the pack so you can compress the pack if carrying a light load.

With it being an internal frame pack, it has one big cargo compartment so it is not even close to being as modular as the MOLLE system. There is zipper access on both sides so you don't have to go in through the top to get gear that's packed on the bottom.

The top flap of the pack is a pouch in itself, similar to the map pouch on the ALICE, but much bigger. A good place to keep your poncho, e-tool, and other wet/cold-weather gear accessible.

Comfort wise, I don't really like how the shoulder straps are so close together. As always, I keep my pack packed at all times for atleast 4 days in the field. Just standing in my living room with it on for 5 minutes, my shoulders started to ache. I could wear a fully loaded MOLLE all day with no major complaints.

Overall, decent pack, interesting concept, interesting design. Maybe it will become comfortable after I break it in...but I miss my MOLLE.

Hey Tank... post some pics brother... I need to see that pack..

[East Scout II]

Ive seen them on another thread...They look pretty interesting. I dont know why they went w/ an internal frame..The external helps keep you cooler AIMO is more comfortable..

One thing i didnt like was they put the Coyote tan molle straps crossing right over the marpat..kinda hosed the camo.......

ES

[kayaker]

no..smart@ss..I saw the thread and thought I'd post something..
I don't believe I would need that much gear for a E&E..I live in avalanche country..the thought passes my mind everytime I go outside in the winter..
I have a good water supply nearby,a standby generator and a couple of guns..the warehouse store is down the road(it's like 1.4miles away)..and I never really eat that much..a MRE kept me going in the wild for 3 days with 2qt canteen..
I never ate that much during Basic or in my 4 years in the Army..

You said you lived in avelanche country: well I would want 1 24hr ratpack, a hypo blanket, heliograph, pottasium permagnate crissies a stobe light, billy can at the least... if the wallet isnt too tight throw in a PLB also... every time I go for a stroll in those mountains.

Prob one or two other essentials but this is on top of my head and in addition to the gear you mentioned...

[USMC Tanker]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a246/dcarter_usmc/ILBE.jpg


The new ones don't have that black padding or buckles. Everything is either MARPAT or Coyote color.

Here you can see that big top pouch I was talking about also. You can also see the patrol pack attached to the back.

PS-East Scout, agreed on the external keeping you cooler...

[TacoDelRio]

My buddy was issued one of them just awhile ago, says it's the sh*t. I played with an Arc'Teryx pack at REI the other day, looks good.

They offer it as their TANGO pack to civies:
http://www.arcteryx.com/leaf/tango_pack.asp

Main Website:
http://www.arcteryx.com/leaf/products.asp

[RGRBOX]

My buddy was issued one of them just awhile ago, says it's the sh*t. I played with an Arc'Teryx pack at REI the other day, looks good.

They offer it as their TANGO pack to civies:
http://www.arcteryx.com/leaf/tango_pack.asp

Main Website:
http://www.arcteryx.com/leaf/products.asp

So that's the same ruck as the USMC Issue?

I spoke to a friend of mine the other day, who told me that he was told by Arc'Teryx that they would start selling the Leaf products at the end of this year to the commercial market... I'll have to try that ruck out..

[TacoDelRio]

I'm hopin' to try one out too. Looks pretty good. I think it's 100L capacity?

[Adam Wilhelm]

From Arcteryx:
Volume: 4000 cu in / 65.5 l

But thats just the main sack. Throw in some pouches and you are GTG.

[USMC Tanker]

So that's the same ruck as the USMC Issue?

I spoke to a friend of mine the other day, who told me that he was told by Arc'Teryx that they would start selling the Leaf products at the end of this year to the commercial market... I'll have to try that ruck out..

Yeah, it's the same ruck as the USMC issue...atleast it looks that way. I wonder if they'll offer it to civilian buyers in MARPAT though? If not, once that bad boy hits the Uniform Shops on base (they usually stock standard issue field gear for Marines to replace lost gear), just have a buddy get one for you.

[Redguy]

I have a question, what do military units use when on a over nighter? I've seen sleeping pads attatched to the back packs but i don't see a sleeping bag. Is it stored some where else? Or do they not use sleeping bags?

[Adam Wilhelm]

but i don't see a sleeping bag. Is it stored some where else? Or do they not use sleeping bags?

Maybe in the bergen (rucksack)? p-)
I would put my money on that but don´t tip anyone else off.


On a more serious note, the use of sleeping bag depends of what type of mission it is, how cold it is and if you have spare room to bring it.

Maybe you just take 6 sleeping bag with you on a 8-man section.

[USMC Tanker]

I have a question, what do military units use when on a over nighter? I've seen sleeping pads attatched to the back packs but i don't see a sleeping bag. Is it stored some where else? Or do they not use sleeping bags?

Depends on operation, gear limitations, climate, etc. Sometimes all you need is a poncho liner and poncho. Often times you need something more. With the MOLLE pack, that bottom pouch is where you put the sleeping system, compressed in a stuff-sack. With the new ILBE you just have to shove it in somewhere accessible. Naturally though, you probably won't actually SEE the sleeping bag because who wants their sleeping system exposed too the elements (wind, dust, rain, mud, etc) or the possibility of something snagging your sleeping system (your "warm bed at night") and ripping it up?

[Sabre]

I have a question, what do military units use when on a over nighter? I've seen sleeping pads attatched to the back packs but i don't see a sleeping bag. Is it stored some where else? Or do they not use sleeping bags?

Like the lads have said, it depends on the job. If you're taking a bergan, you might as well take a doss bag. If the weather's good and you're not on a long task, use your belt kit for a pillow. I've had many a comfy night out on my belt buckle! (well, not comfy...)

[TacoDelRio]

If it's warm and dry enough, might as well just go with a poncho/basha/hooch and a poncho liner. Saves the extra weight and bulk of a tent you might not need anyway. If there's enough snow, you cna make a shelter from snow bricks/blocks using a snow saw or machete (or anything flat for that matter), and get yourself in a bivvy bag and sleeping bag inside the shelter.

I wonder how much the ILBE is going to cost.... gonna hafta ask my buddy for one when it's in their PX.

[Flagg]

On stag I'll just use my thermal mat if it's practical.

It's bit of cushion keeps me comfy, it keeps the ground from sucking the heat out of me, and it keeps me dry(assuming it's not already raining).

When not in use, the location of the thermal mat should be INSIDE your pack(right on top to help with waterproofing), NOT outside and VISIBLE.

I don't care if it's cammed I think it's poor discipline to do so(Why are things seen?)

If it's raining I'll just throw on my wet weathers(our issue ones are quite good since it rains here all the time).

I'll ALWAYS leave my goretex bivvy UNDER my hootchie or in my pack where it belongs.

As far as a PILLOW goes, unless wearing it, I ALWAYS keep my fleece smock liner IN my bivvy bag.

A fleece liner is almost as good as a down pillow for a couple hours kip. :)

That's just what I've been taught and found to work well for me with my issue kit.

With my personal kit(hunting), I just bought me a spiffy German Flektarn Goretex rain jacket for F'all on Ebay. About a 1/10 the price of a high-priced outer-shell from a high-priced outfitter.

All I need is enough layers to wear/carry to stay warm(which isn't much weight) and I can use the Kraut rain smock as my all-rounder top layer to keep weight to a minimum and use to catch any residual blood carrying out game.

I think I've also seen on the net some German bivvy-type bags that have arms in them so you can remain in dangerously kip-inducing comfort while still holding your rifle on stag or waiting FOR a stag to appear.....but I think it's OLD pre-goretex type stuff...in any case, I like German kit....now if only I can pinch a pair of old German issue Binos for glassing game. ;)

[RGRBOX]

Poncho Liner, and a sleeping mat.. travel light freeze at night... I remember using a sleeping bag only a few times in my time in.. mostly freezing my a.s.s. off under my Poncho Liner....

[TacoDelRio]

Poncho Liner, and a sleeping mat.. travel light freeze at night... I remember using a sleeping bag only a few times in my time in.. mostly freezing my a.s.s. off under my Poncho Liner....

Works most of the time. I got the flu, or a flu-like sickness twice from going too light with a tarp or poncho and a liner. Then again I didn't make a proper shelter.

I just added a puss pad/foam mat to my ruck. I usually don't use them, but I got tired of waking up with what felt like a broken back, sleeping on rocks! I cut it down, we'll see how that goes.

[Flagg]

Works most of the time. I got the flu, or a flu-like sickness twice from going too light with a tarp or poncho and a liner. Then again I didn't make a proper shelter.

I just added a puss pad/foam mat to my ruck. I usually don't use them, but I got tired of waking up with what felt like a broken back, sleeping on rocks! I cut it down, we'll see how that goes.

Puss pad...never heard it called that.

Cutting it down can be a good idea...an ounce is an ounce when you're carrying your house.

Mine's big enough to cover from my head to my thighs....a bit less than 1.5 metres I reckon.

It's ability to help retain body heat for a few precious hours of down time is more than worth it's light physical weight but awkward cube, in my opinion

[TacoDelRio]

Puss pad...never heard it called that.

Cutting it down can be a good idea...an ounce is an ounce when you're carrying your house.

Mine's big enough to cover from my head to my thighs....a bit less than 1.5 metres I reckon.

It's ability to help retain body heat for a few precious hours of down time is more than worth it's light physical weight but awkward cube, in my opinion

Exactly. The ground sucks all yer heat outta you in short time.

I've got mine cut so it goes from my head to my ass. I used the rest to fix up worn padding on my ruck, and I've still got a bit left.

In the Army we called 'em Puss Pads, because apparently pussies are the only ones who need good sleep!:bash:

[Hollis]

Exactly.
In the Army we called 'em Puss Pads, because apparently pussies are the only ones who need good sleep!:bash:

Meeeeowwwwwwwww

LOL, in snow country it is a matter of surviving. No bag with loft for insulation will insulate you when that loft is squished under body weight. Look at bag designed, they are made with the understanding of a insulated pad being used. Hell in 100 degree weather........... everything is warm. but in sub zero not the case.

[TacoDelRio]

Ridge-rest pads work good with those? They have them there grooves in 'em and sh*t? Like potato chips.

[RGRBOX]

I only used the cutt down version of a sleeping mate, and just a poncho liner when I was in the Army... Now I try to always carry a sleeping bag, and I have an insulated air up sleeping mat... my back isn't as young as it used to be, and I prefer to camp in a little more comfort.. but it I have to go rough, I still know how. I may not carry some other items, but I will almost always carry a sleeping mat that keeps me off of the ground.. The good thing is that my air up mat, is light, and doen't take up as much space as a normal foam mat.. and I can use it to cross water if need be. Last time I was in Panama, I brought my sleeping bag and we had air mats.. on cots. I put my air mat inside of my sleeping bag, turned it upside down so the zipper was away from me, and put it on top of my cot. The I put up my insect net using cut polls, and slept under my ponch liner.. but when we were in the jungle, I just brought me cut down foam mat, and my poncho liner...

[East Scout II]

X2 the older i get the more i need an iso matt..i bought a self-inflating version made in the USA.it was a good buy and its pretty comfortable...Ill use it for the winter outtings and I have my Nam hammock for the summer...

Getten old just sucks..

[RGRBOX]

Tell me about it...

[East Scout II]

Tell me about it...

Well..There was this one time..and I was at Band Camp...

[RGRBOX]

Well..There was this one time..and I was at Band Camp...

rofl rofl rofl good one..

[spectre17]

not e & e i know, but i wanted to give this thread a bump as it is a good entertaining read... i had to shelter under a cheapo repro basha on fan fawr in the brecon beacons waiting for a college minibus to pick us up... good time had by all - 40 metres from a pub, will be doing it properly soon , purposefully getting benighted- i have the bug

[Howitz]

Ridge-rest pads work good with those? They have them there grooves in 'em and sh*t? Like potato chips.

A ridge rest is what I use nowadays. Comfier than a normal flat pad, not as comfy as a self inflater. But very light, and i think they make a "square" one that's even lighter (don't know what it's called).


-pic of my poncho last time i went campin' back in april (I need to go again soon, it's killin' me!)
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2047/hooch7io.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[East Scout II]

A ridge rest is what I use nowadays. Comfier than a normal flat pad, not as comfy as a self inflater. But very light, and i think they make a "square" one that's even lighter (don't know what it's called).


-pic of my poncho last time i went campin' back in april (I need to go again soon, it's killin' me!)
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2047/hooch7io.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Nice simple shelter..Did you use 550 or bungee cords?

Spectr=

I ordered a basha here in the states..I was FUKING happy when i foiund them here..when it came It was a cheap'o Chinese made copy...about 5 times the weight of an original..FUKING junk....its now in my disposable kit inventory and sitting on the front deck of my kayak..Id love nothing more thnan to get my hands on two original MOD issue Bashas..

ES

[Howitz]

550 cord with tautline hitches all around, keeps it nice and tightened up.

[TacoDelRio]

www.actiongear.com

Bashas there are supposedly MOD issue. Should be good. I don't have one yet, for some reason.

[East Scout II]

www.actiongear.com

Bashas there are supposedly MOD issue. Should be good. I don't have one yet, for some reason.

Horse fuk..Thats where I got mine from..I was very very disapointed!

[TacoDelRio]

Damn, well I guess that saves me $40!!!!!!!!!

Perhaps any British members on here could suggest a place to purchase actual MOD issue basha's? I'm interested in one too.

[spectre17]

Flecktarn should ship to EU and possibly america
The Issue one,
http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/dpbba1ux.html

The really Gucci one is on SASS KIT
http://www.sasskit.co.uk/products/militaryfoulweathershelters/superbasha.htm

Hope this helps, I didnt realise they were that wanted products, I also know where to get the brand new s2005 DPM Windproof Arctic Smock on the cheap.

Some advice on basha's, i was once advided to ready attach bungees etc to the loops on the basha to prevent loss and speed up striking time... ive not adhered to this, maybe someone will give it a go...

Glad this topics back on.

[East Scout II]

I get my Brit Kit from Transwolrd militaria in the UK..They really work with you and try to give price breaks when they can as the exchange rate will kill you on the dollar to pound converstion.......Thery are fast too but lately I havnt had the extra $$$$ to buy bashas or anything else of the like so Ill have to do with using the US WD camo poncho as a light weight shelter......They work but the hood seems will start to leak after prolonged use of being stretched out and wouldnt it figure they are right in the center of the poncho.....;-)

[East Scout II]

Flecktarn should ship to EU and possibly america
The Issue one,
http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/dpbba1ux.html

The really Gucci one is on SASS KIT
http://www.sasskit.co.uk/products/militaryfoulweathershelters/superbasha.htm

Hope this helps, I didnt realise they were that wanted products, I also know where to get the brand new s2005 DPM Windproof Arctic Smock on the cheap.

Some advice on basha's, i was once advided to ready attach bungees etc to the loops on the basha to prevent loss and speed up striking time... ive not adhered to this, maybe someone will give it a go...

Glad this topics back on.

THe SASS companyt states that it will fit into the ammo pouch on a PLCE rig..GREAT....Ide be lucky to fit the China Junk copy into the top pouch on a PLCE Bergen and the weight of it is just a killer.......well over 2 lbs

[Sabre]

Flecktarn should ship to EU and possibly america
The Issue one,
http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/dpbba1ux.html

The really Gucci one is on SASS KIT
http://www.sasskit.co.uk/products/militaryfoulweathershelters/superbasha.htm

Hope this helps, I didnt realise they were that wanted products, I also know where to get the brand new s2005 DPM Windproof Arctic Smock on the cheap.

Some advice on basha's, i was once advided to ready attach bungees etc to the loops on the basha to prevent loss and speed up striking time... ive not adhered to this, maybe someone will give it a go...

Glad this topics back on.

Yeah that's a good idea. I've hooked my bungees on and crimped the hooks to permanently attach them. It saves a lot of arsing around at night. I tidy the bungees up by coiling them and tying a quick release knot in them so they don't tangle. I keep the whole lot in the top pouch of my bergen with the peg bag on a lanyard to the zip pull. Then it's easy to get at and I don't lose bungees or pegs.


not e & e i know, but i wanted to give this thread a bump as it is a good entertaining read... i had to shelter under a cheapo repro basha on fan fawr in the brecon beacons waiting for a college minibus to pick us up... good time had by all - 40 metres from a pub, will be doing it properly soon , purposefully getting benighted- i have the bug

I can recommend the top of said hill around February time. Very cosy!

[spectre17]

stretched out hood? The best thing to do is roll the hood into a ball and use the toggles wrapped around it to keep it tight, then attach 550 cord, shockcord, paracord / bungeees to it , then suspend it to one of the branches / objects that is holding up the poncho at either end, if it doesnt have a hood, use some paracord, this makes the shelter even more taught and stops any water "puddling" in the middle...

[East Scout II]

Yeah after a while the seem on the hood will start to leak from being stretched out and pulled on..The glue gets old and cracks and peals off.....

[RGRBOX]

I use the Aussie hoochies... but when I went back to the Kit Bag in AU... they didn't have the MOD version I ordered before for almost nothing... I use it a lot, and it works better then great.

[RGRBOX]

Yeah after a while the seem on the hood will start to leak from being stretched out and pulled on..The glue gets old and cracks and peals off.....

I never had that problem in the ten years I used one in the Army, noe the years I used the same one until I got myself a dedicated Bash... (Aussi model) anyway, if you tie it up right, it will last forever... I pull the hood cord tight.. then I wrap it around the bottom of the hood near the base a couple of times, almost until I've used up all of the hood cord, then I pass it thru the cord and tighten.. voila... with this method, the cord gets the brunt of the pressure, and not the hood.. infact, I got the Assui version, because in all of my years in the army, i never once wore one as a poncho... and the Aussi one is larger..

you can go to www.raymears.com and see the same one I have on his sight.. but I didn't pay the same price for mine.. I got mine thru a Aussi web site.. but they don't have it anymore..

[East Scout II]

Its never happened to me either cause i take good care of my gear and mind how i use it so its lasts as song as possible..I saw it happen a few times..Guys useing worne out kit and dont bother to get new stuff or mind the stuff they are using....

[spectre17]

Ahh right, could always (if needed) try using a waterproofing spray for tents etc, or even , stitching up the hood , or removing it and filling the hole with another piece of waterproof material i suppose...

East Scout / anyone , do you always carry a bivi bag with you, or is it always a basha/poncho? Whats the verdict on bivi bags?

anyone been out and about much recently?

[Buckeye67]

Nothing material to add to the thread, just wanted to say I like your new Robert Griffing avatar, East. ;)

You reenact at all?

[Sabre]

Ahh right, could always (if needed) try using a waterproofing spray for tents etc, or even , stitching up the hood , or removing it and filling the hole with another piece of waterproof material i suppose...

East Scout / anyone , do you always carry a bivi bag with you, or is it always a basha/poncho? Whats the verdict on bivi bags?

anyone been out and about much recently?

Bivi bags are always worth carrying. Use one with a basha to make sure your bag stays dry and add some extra warmth. There may be times on moorland or similar places that you can't set up a basha in an emergency, then a bivi bag will keep you dry.

[East Scout II]

Ahh right, could always (if needed) try using a waterproofing spray for tents etc, or even , stitching up the hood , or removing it and filling the hole with another piece of waterproof material i suppose...

East Scout / anyone , do you always carry a bivi bag with you, or is it always a basha/poncho? Whats the verdict on bivi bags?

anyone been out and about much recently?

I havnt been out on ant over nighters for a while..been busy moving and getting settled so i been doing day trips around the new AO in my kayak...In the summer i use a poncho shelter if i can get away w/ it (skeeters) and I use the trail tent for winter use..Generaly speaking;-) Ive never owned a bivy bag and never used one either............

[East Scout II]

Nothing material to add to the thread, just wanted to say I like your new Robert Griffing avatar, East. ;)

You reenact at all?


No no reenacting here..Did some WWII in the past on the German side..I really liked it till i saw how gay it was. I liked the static display events at museums and like but battles were an ego fueled gangle fuk at best.......

Thanks I have a pretty good collection of pics from around the net..This particular one is a Lenni Linape warrior (or Delaware Indian)..I didnt know who the artist was though..LOL

ES

[Buckeye67]

No no reenacting here..Did some WWII in the past on the German side..I really liked it till i saw how gay it was. I liked the static display events at museums and like but battles were an ego fueled gangle fuk at best.......

Thanks I have a pretty good collection of pics from around the net..This particular one is a Lenni Linape warrior (or Delaware Indian)..I didnt know who the artist was though..LOL

ES

Glad to help ;)

Some other artists who do similar work which you might like are John Buxton and David Wright.

Edit: Here's a link (http://www.lordnelsons.com/gallery/frontier/main.htm) to a site that has a bunch of their work. I like Buxton and Wright especially because they feature Mountain Curs in some of their work (I have a cur dog ;) ).

[East Scout II]

Thanks for the link Brother........Im going to an Indian festival in Oktober where they are giving a primitive survival skills rundown..should be interesting..I hope!

[RGRBOX]

Great link... thanks.. one of my favorit paintings is of the American Indians, and their poneys moving thru a birch forest in the winter snow.. they look like camoflage...

[TacoDelRio]

Thanks for the link Brother........Im going to an Indian festival in Oktober where they are giving a primitive survival skills rundown..should be interesting..I hope!

Sounds very basic (IE useful) and interesting. Hopefully it's good. Have fun!

I've got some training coming up this week, possibly 2-3 days long. I'll see if I can contribute some more to this thread. Will get some photography done too, even though there ain't a helluva lot of pretty stuff out now that it's 100 degrees outside.

[RGRBOX]

Sounds very basic (IE useful) and interesting. Hopefully it's good. Have fun!

I've got some training coming up this week, possibly 2-3 days long. I'll see if I can contribute some more to this thread. Will get some photography done too, even though there ain't a helluva lot of pretty stuff out now that it's 100 degrees outside.

Taco, please tell me that's not your cat in your avatar... poor cat..p-)

[TacoDelRio]

Taco, please tell me that's not your cat in your avatar... poor cat..p-)

Bwhahahahahahaha, no! To me, cats = food. :)

I found it online as some sorta random thing, and thought hey, this matches my sense of humor, being random and all.

If that was my cat though, he'd be covered in barbeque sauce and deep fried.

[RGRBOX]

Bwhahahahahahaha, no! To me, cats = food. :)

I found it online as some sorta random thing, and thought hey, this matches my sense of humor, being random and all.

If that was my cat though, he'd be covered in barbeque sauce and deep fried.

Yea.. I eat pvssy too...p-) I just leave off the BBQ sauce..

[TacoDelRio]

Yea.. I eat pvssy too...p-) I just leave off the BBQ sauce..

Not very adventurous are we? Lost your southern ways?! C'mon!!!!!

Then again I smear taco sauce all over mine. Then again they usually have that installed standard around here. rofl

[East Scout II]

Sounds very basic (IE useful) and interesting. Hopefully it's good. Have fun!

I've got some training coming up this week, possibly 2-3 days long. I'll see if I can contribute some more to this thread. Will get some photography done too, even though there ain't a helluva lot of pretty stuff out now that it's 100 degrees outside.

This thread is like that fever blister you got kissing that chick you told your buddies you would never take a run at..just wont go away.;-)

any contribution is good..pics are great and I have to say you have some of the best terrain pic i have ever seen man...

ES

[East Scout II]

Yea.. I eat pvssy too...p-) I just leave off the BBQ sauce..

Telling us you dont have your red wings?...;-)

[EsoognomEhT]

oh come on!

You make baby Jesus cry

[EsoognomEhT]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a246/dcarter_usmc/ILBE.jpg


The new ones don't have that black padding or buckles. Everything is either MARPAT or Coyote color.

Here you can see that big top pouch I was talking about also. You can also see the patrol pack attached to the back.

PS-East Scout, agreed on the external keeping you cooler...

Thats quite possibly the ugliest thing I've ever seen! :E

[TacoDelRio]

oh come on!

You make baby Jesus cry



AHHHHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA we got Mongoose to cringe!!!


Thanks for the comments on my photography, East Scout. I'll get some half ass high speed oh sh*t pictures one handed while rappelling and crap soon. I'll be sure to have the paramedics take a picture of my broke ass at the bottom of the rocks too. :)

p-)

[East Scout II]

I Wanna See Bone Busting Through Leg Skin!!!!!!!!!

[TacoDelRio]

I Wanna See Bone Busting Through Leg Skin!!!!!!!!!

I don't have any of that, but I do have one where I lost my footing off a nearby peak and slid on my ass and ruck for 1/4 mile down an ice covered slope. Plenty of red stuff, no bones, which was good cause I was alone. :)

Some stick stabbed into my elbow through my BDU top. Probably from one of the 5 or so dead trees that I hit on the way down, that DIDN'T slow my "progress".

Good times. rofl I win the dumbass award.

[TacoDelRio]

Training operation cancelled at the dropoff point. Bad communications (actually NO method of comms) for pickup. Plus I didn't much feel like rucking 60 miles with what ended up being 90lbs of gear on me in a pack that's falling apart (old issue medium ALICE) at night in the mountains, alone.

Set for Thursday the 22nd or so.

[USMC Tanker]

TheMongoose:

It's actually not a bad looking piece of gear in person. All the black padding and buckles are coyote color now. I like the look of mine. It's not as modular as others (such as the MOLLE system) but no real complaints from me...yet.

[kayaker]

Great link... thanks.. one of my favorit paintings is of the American Indians, and their poneys moving thru a birch forest in the winter snow.. they look like camoflage...

Like the pics ES is putting up too. Can you show the one you mean, sounds great... I got a pic of me around eight years old sitting on father's pony, bareback, winter, woolly jumper, in the middle of the paddock, with my toy Western rifle twisting nearly 180 degrees pretending to aim at something... pretty cool thinking of it now... shame I couldnt find it last time I searched for it... will scan it though if I ever come accross it...

[East Scout II]

Training operation cancelled at the dropoff point. Bad communications (actually NO method of comms) for pickup. Plus I didn't much feel like rucking 60 miles with what ended up being 90lbs of gear on me in a pack that's falling apart (old issue medium ALICE) at night in the mountains, alone.

Set for Thursday the 22nd or so.


ALONE makes some of the best outing........Most of the time i prefer ALONE rather than the gangle fuked groups...

To bad it was hosed..Our Kayak scout trip of my new AO went pretty Ok but the weather was NOT on our side......

ES

[East Scout II]

Like the pics ES is putting up too. Can you show the one you mean, sounds great... I got a pic of me around eight years old sitting on father's pony, bareback, winter, woolly jumper, in the middle of the paddock, with my toy Western rifle twisting nearly 180 degrees pretending to aim at something... pretty cool thinking of it now... shame I couldnt find it last time I searched for it... will scan it though if I ever come accross it...


Indians kick ass.......I got most of my pics from that same link some time ago. Yoof a while to find any good ones on the net that had good resolution..

There is a Delaware Indian tribe holding a living history weekend in October..They will be giving primitave Indian Survival Demos specific to this area the entire weekend..Il be there and taking notes.

[TacoDelRio]

ALONE makes some of the best outing........Most of the time i prefer ALONE rather than the gangle fuked groups...

To bad it was hosed..Our Kayak scout trip of my new AO went pretty Ok but the weather was NOT on our side......

ES

Good pictures with the kayak outing. Pretty spiffy how you have yours set up, holding your rifle and bergen and all.

[East Scout II]

Thanks Brother.......I just posted some pics on the group..I re-camo-ed my already camo Kayak.I think this new pattern is better for the swamps and marshes...It will function much better if someone gets close rather than the huge vehiculare type camo it came with....

[East Scout II]

Here are a bunch...There should be some pics on this thread somewhere of the old camo pattern.........

[TacoDelRio]

That's a fantastic paintjob! How many cans did that take?

-Upcoming Training-

Got our trek deal coming up thursday 22 - friday 23, if anyone has Google Earth, the general area we're patrolling in is as follows:
34°20'6.54"N 117°47'37.88"W

Taking six peaks in the area. Gonna smell real good after this one. :)

Weather has been nice and clear without much smog, so hopefully it stays that way. Would make for excellent photography, with visibility going out into the Pacific Ocean. With high powered optics, one can spot freighters and tankers in the Pacific from our LUP location.

[East Scout II]

That's a fantastic paintjob! How many cans did that take?

-Upcoming Training-

Got our trek deal coming up thursday 22 - friday 23, if anyone has Google Earth, the general area we're patrolling in is as follows:
34°20'6.54"N 117°47'37.88"W

Taking six peaks in the area. Gonna smell real good after this one. :)

Weather has been nice and clear without much smog, so hopefully it stays that way. Would make for excellent photography, with visibility going out into the Pacific Ocean. With high powered optics, one can spot freighters and tankers in the Pacific from our LUP location.


Thanks..The cans were damn near empty so that was one reason I desided to paint it..To use up what was left..so it look less than a 1/4 of a can w/ three colors..Army "green", Khaki and Medium brown .........

Hey man if you're stink'n then you're live'n.......Hope this one pans out for you.

ES

[kayaker]

yes it does look good. Actually perfect...!! Makes me want to buy one myself although I cant decide what now: canoe or kayak... canoe quick in and outs, can't get stuck (important for me ;P), able to take the girl in it also but more expensive and less tactical than a kayak and maybe harder to carry it over land...? Anyway great looking and those pics are a great motivator mate!!

" if you're stink'n then you're live'n"

LOL ...true true...

Mr Skoro love to see some photo's and hope all goes well. Im going to get my bro to look it up on google earth and let you know what I think of th area!!

[kayaker]

Indians kick ass.......I got most of my pics from that same link some time ago. Yoof a while to find any good ones on the net that had good resolution..

There is a Delaware Indian tribe holding a living history weekend in October..They will be giving primitave Indian Survival Demos specific to this area the entire weekend..Il be there and taking notes.

Yeah they must have some great skills!! Reminds me of Ray Mear's and his experience in America with the Indians... Looking forward to hearing the knowledge you got fromt the weekend

[East Scout II]

yes it does look good. Actually perfect...!! Makes me want to buy one myself although I cant decide what now: canoe or kayak... canoe quick in and outs, can't get stuck (important for me ;P), able to take the girl in it also but more expensive and less tactical than a kayak and maybe harder to carry it over land...? Anyway great looking and those pics are a great motivator mate!!

" if you're stink'n then you're live'n"

LOL ...true true...

Mr Skoro love to see some photo's and hope all goes well. Im going to get my bro to look it up on google earth and let you know what I think of th area!!

Canoe is an option and sometimes (a lot of the time)I wished I had gotten one.,I didnt want to register anything so I went the way of the Kayak...A canoe is really convienant especially from a load bearing/stowing POV..They also seem to come in a few different subdued colors here in the states..and YES your GF will appriciate the canoe..You can tell her your taking her for a romantic summertime row around the water ways but really you're getting in some scout time in your AO!

My Yellow sunmarine Kayak is a two seater but really blows for spending time w/ the wife but we manage...

And thanks for the compliments on the camo job guys...

ES

[East Scout II]

Here are some shots of the new camo job...It blends for krapp on the open water (but thats a good thing...People are idiots on boats around here) but when I get it into the reeds and swampy marshes it melts away ..especially if I have to drape the camo net when i make camp..ES

[TacoDelRio]

That's great looking! Great paintjob!

I wish we had water around here, aside from the Pacific. Must be fun around the swamps up there bro.

[East Scout II]

Yeah its a lot of fun..The wildlife around here will blow your mind..I saw a friken shark on Saturday and I was not even close to being at the Bay (Chesapeake).......I never really had an interest in the water untill i happened to move around it..Now Im addicted and its great for survival traininng...........

Oh and thanks for the complimet......

ES

[TacoDelRio]

A friggin shark? I'd hafta take some spare diapers in my boat. :)

This isn't tacti-cool, but you know those flags-on-a-stick they've got for OHV's? Bikes, sand rails, buggies, quads, etc? Might wanna get one up on your kayak if you don't wanna get into a physical conversation with a big boat.

[East Scout II]

Thats probably a good idea....I might have to look into something of that nature...I have a blaze orange chunk of fabric and some old fibrt-glass tent poles..I think Ill make a flag I cane raise should i need to cross a busy area..Even the fishing trollers around here drive like they are on a crackaine run.......

Yeah a fricken shark..I thought it was a beaver playing untill i got close and saw it was a Sandbar shark about 3-4 foot long eating on a fish...Creeped me all the fuk out.

[kayaker]

ES,
The canoe looks fcukin brilliant. The dog's bollocks mate!! :D

[USMC Tanker]

Awesome job, Scout. Looks great.

[East Scout II]

Thanks pal....I appriciate that...

Did you ever get that rucksack situation in order?

ES

[TacoDelRio]

I've got an update of sorts. Tried out the SORD Commander panel thing on a local peak. It's pretty convenient.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/TacoDelRio/DSC02294.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/TacoDelRio/DSC02288.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/TacoDelRio/DSC02327.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/TacoDelRio/DSC02275.jpg
In mountains, you have to change the map more often, since using a large map that covers more area doesn't cover the contour lines in enough detail.

[East Scout II]

Damn for a second there I was having a flashback from a very bad a one night stand in that last pic.."GET IT?"....

Seriously MORE great pics my Mr SKor.......What the FUK is a SORD cammander panle? It look nice to have...What does it have to attach too? You say MOLLE gear and Im gonna scream! But i like it!

Write Arnold and tell him toload up about 100 C5s with some seeds and grow something in that place..But looks butiful bro...Thanks for the pics..You auta start trying to sell some of those.......OUTSTANDING!

ES

[Durandal]

MrSkorotsnoy, wow, I had forgotten how scrub free those mountains are...

You should try hiking around here in June when everything is in full growth and the poison ivy claims all clearing nut cut back...

Fantastic pics man.

[East Scout II]

Some kit pictures I promiced back on post 14..

[Hollis]

This is one of favorite posts. Just love the pics. I need to get out more.

[RGRBOX]

If I have the chance tomorrow I'll try to post some pics of some of my kit..

[East Scout II]

Great Id love to see some pics from you...You may have to post them at the Survival camp too...Think Im about to get banned over there in the Dension smock thread......

ES

[Hollis]

Great Id love to see some pics from you...You may have to post them at the Survival camp too...Think Im about to get banned over there in the Dension smock thread......

ES

Getting banned for poor spelling............. I would have been done a long time ago...... or wait...

[East Scout II]

Yeah really messed up their whole day...........

[RGRBOX]

Great Id love to see some pics from you...You may have to post them at the Survival camp too...Think Im about to get banned over there in the Dension smock thread......

ES

Dension smock thread.. send me a link..

[East Scout II]

Anyhow Im doing some Mods to my DPM vest. Ill post pic later tonight..Ide like to see some modse some of you guys on this thread have done to your survival kit............Ive made my haversack into a clipon backpack so i dont have to use the side pouch to my bergan any more...

HolliS...Why dont you join my egroup.The link is on my profile.Consider this an invite.......Its purely survival in the outdoors type stuff and some goofing off..Stuff that might get us in trouble here cause there is no real place to do it here..

ES

[RGRBOX]

Imagine, if you were a new guy trying to read this thread to keep up and to join in.. take him a month.. reads like a novel..

[East Scout II]

Dension smock thread.. send me a link..


http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=85058

Funny the guy asking the question about the Canadian smock didnt get the same blankity blank blank run through for asking...Guess it was personal..

ES

[East Scout II]

Imagine, if you were a new guy trying to read this thread to keep up and to join in.. take him a month.. reads like a novel..

Roger that.I tried to re-read it this morning...It was crazy in 20 directions...LOL..But hey, you know we helped someone out there in some part of thier prepardness..

ES

[Hollis]

Roger that.I tried to re-read it this morning...It was crazy in 20 directions...LOL..But hey, you know we helped someone out there in some part of thier prepardness..

ES

ES I read it differently. Did not think he was taking a swipe. Maybe it is in the reading,

To hot here to worry about it, time for Beer thirty.

[East Scout II]

ES I read it differently. Did not think he was taking a swipe. Maybe it is in the reading,

To hot here to worry about it, time for Beer thirty.

No, the post was edited AFTER I called BS..I knew i should have quoted it..I was told i was clearly unable to operate this amazing thing called Google or something to that effect..

No worries...I know the truth..

ES

[Hollis]

No, the post was edited AFTER I called BS..I knew i should have quoted it..I was told i was clearly unable to operate this amazing thing called Google or something to that effect..

No worries...I know the truth..

ES



I hate search, if you just quite don't know what to look for or spell it , forget it. Just like MS Help, the thinqie don't work, Help does not help

[RGRBOX]

I often have the same problems with the search.. I usually just goggle the word.. and Goggle usually offeres me another chose..anyway, I guess I'll goggle Denison, and see why they're called that in the first place...