Italian navy lot of pics!

[easyand]

Some nice pics I've found!
enjoy!

http://www.marina.difesa.it/diario/2006/euro/images/03.jpg

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[Marcelino]

nice......

[ENSIGN FOREVER]

http://www.marina.difesa.it/editoria/*******i/2005/images/64.jpg

http://www.marina.difesa.it/editoria/*******i/2005/images/62.jpg

BELLLISIME FOTO!!!

I love the pics of the new base at Taranto! Very very nice, clean and olderly.

Top pic: The FFG pierside is USS Mcinerney (FFG 8) which was the "test" unit for many of the add-on systems of the future FFG flights (SH-60, RAST, AN/SQQ-89, AN/SQQ-28, AN/SQR-18/19, etc). But I can't tell the hull number of the FFG (a Flight III) with the tugs.

[jerka71_1]

Some nice pics I've found!
enjoy!

http://www.marina.difesa.it/editoria/*******i/2005/images/43.jpg

http://www.marina.difesa.it/editoria/*******i/2005/images/44.jpg

http://www.marina.difesa.it/editoria/*******i/2005/images/86.jpg


Thanks!

Anyone have an idea how the EH101 is performing in the operational role??

[easyand]

very well from what i've heard!

[Greek soldier]

Where is the Ficantieri Etna?? (Sai che cosa voglio dire ;) )

[sickened]

Great pics. Do you have any more info on this vessel?

http://www.marina.difesa.it/editoria/*******i/2005/images/51.jpg

[NorthOf45]

I hope we see some of these in the Canadian Military ...

http://www.marina.difesa.it/editoria/*******i/2005/images/44.jpg

[NorthOf45]

I love the pics of the new base at Taranto! Very very nice, clean and olderly.

Those were my first thoughts as well.

[Canuck Farrier]

Good photos ,the italians had a good navy in WW2 good thing for us they swithched sides!:)

[ENSIGN FOREVER]

Great pics. Do you have any more info on this vessel?

http://www.marina.difesa.it/editoria/*******i/2005/images/51.jpg
Thats the MM SAN MARCO (L 9893), it's an LPD based out of Brindisi along with her sisters MM SAN GIORGIO (L 9892) and MM SAN GIUSTO (L 9894). They are used to transport the Italian Navy's Marines (San Marco Regiment).

Don't be fooled by the flight deck, there are no elevators/hangar on this class of vessels. Notice the stern door for discharging the amtracks.

[ENSIGN FOREVER]

Where is the Ficantieri Etna?? (Sai che cosa voglio dire ;) )



Cosa vogliete dire?

Take a look at the pics of the Taranto base. You'll see notice quickly that the large AOR moored at the "Y" pier is MM AETNA (A 5326).

Now....would you be commenting on the recurring commentary heard throughout NATO navies that for some reason MM AETNA can usually be found tied up to the pier???p-)

http://www.marina.difesa.it/editoria/*******i/2005/images/62.jpg

[Resurrection]

Nice pictures! What submarines do the Italian Navy operate?

[Greek soldier]

Cosa vogliete dire?

Take a look at the pics of the Taranto base. You'll see notice quickly that the large AOR moored at the "Y" pier is MM AETNA (A 5326).

Now....would you be commenting on the recurring commentary heard throughout NATO navies that for some reason MM AETNA can usually be found tied up to the pier???p-)

http://www.marina.difesa.it/editoria/*******i/2005/images/62.jpg

Ah, ti ringrazio (Thank you!!).

(and it is "cosa volete dire" ;) )

Hellenic Navy is to order a second "Etna" too!

[ENSIGN FOREVER]

Ah, ti ringrazio (Thank you!!).

(and it is "cosa volete dire" ;) )

Dammit!! My bust in the lingo. Man I really have to take a refresher course!!

Why buy an "ETNA"?

Is the Greek Navy looking to exit the Med in ops regularly??

[Greek soldier]

No, we need an additional LSV vessel. We alrady have one "Etna" (called LSV Promytheus, the biggest vessel in Hellenic Navy's history) and we will built another one, so to replace one of the 2 3-decade old German LSVs "Luneburg" class.

Exit the Med? I don't think so...

Here is a pic of "Promytheus"

http://www.hellenicnavy.gr/images/ships/A_374pic2.jpg

[ENSIGN FOREVER]

I dunno Greek Soldier. I just don't see a need for the Greek Navy to have two AOR's. It's OPAREA is too localized to the EASTMED area and I don't see a need for regular RAS. Italy has 1.5 AOR's (ETNA and STROMBOLI). Spain has also 1.5, France runs around with only 4 and both of them have a much larger sphere of ops than Greece.

The $$ on those two ships could've been better spent somewhere else--like an AAW ship.

p.s. Now if you tell me that they're being built at home (Skaramanga?), then I can understand the reason for their construction: jobs.

[Greek soldier]

I dunno Greek Soldier. I just don't see a need for the Greek Navy to have two AOR's. It's OPAREA is too localized to the EASTMED area and I don't see a need for regular RAS. Italy has 1.5 AOR's (ETNA and STROMBOLI). Spain has also 1.5, France runs around with only 4 and both of them have a much larger sphere of ops than Greece.

The $$ on those two ships could've been better spent somewhere else--like an AAW ship.

p.s. Now if you tell me that they're being built at home (Skaramanga?), then I can understand the reason for their construction: jobs.

We will proceed with the purchase of 3+3 AAW Frigates (FREMM most probably) plus we will opt for a LPD Ro-Ro (LPD "Rotterdam"??). The "Promytheus" was built at Eleufsis shipyards. Its unit cost was about $200,000,000. The French have larger displacement LSVs AFAIK.

Let' keep it on topic. Send me PM for further discussion.

[easyand]

Don't be fooled by the flight deck, there are no elevators/hangar on this class of vessels. Notice the stern door for discharging the amtracks.

not correct at 100%, all of them have an elevator to transport veihcles from the internal "garage" to the deck, but on one (or two) of these ships the elevator is bigger, and can move helicopters!

[ENSIGN FOREVER]

not correct at 100%, all of them have an elevator to transport veihcles from the internal "garage" to the deck, but on one (or two) of these ships the elevator is bigger, and can move helicopters!

Ahhhh.....nope! That's a big nyet there buddy.

There is no hangar space for helos in any of the SAN GIORGIO class.

The only a/c modifications to this class has been the expansion of the flight deck by removing the LCVP's from the deck to two wells sponsons underneath the starboard side of the flight deck, and the removal of the old 76mm on the bow. This has added new spots on deck for a grand total of 4 spots to allow the operation of two of the EH-101's and two AB-212's. But there is no hangar, and no aircraft elevator to the non-existing hangar. Never had it and still don't have it (and probably never will do to weight/space constraints).

Oh, and they've also removed the bow doors. p-)

[easyand]

I haven't said that there is an hangar, but that 1 or 2 helicopter can be stored inside the ship in the so called "ponte-garage" useing the bigger elevator of 1 or 2 ships of this class, it's not a recent modification

[ENSIGN FOREVER]

I haven't said that there is an hangar, but that 1 or 2 helicopter can be stored inside the ship in the so called "ponte-garage" useing the bigger elevator of 1 or 2 ships of this class, it's not a recent modification

Could you please post me a pic of this "bigger elevator"? Preferably one showing the transfer of the helo in progress. I gotta see this myself.

[easyand]

ok, bigger is not the appropriate word, i have to say larger, btw, look in the middle of the deck, you will see a rectangle, that's the elevator!

http://www.marina.difesa.it/unita/images/sangiusto.gif

[Racer-X]

?!?! Italians have Harriers ?!?!?!
Didn't know that..:-)

Starting to have more respect for the Italian forces laterly..
Nice pics :-)

[ENSIGN FOREVER]

ok, bigger is not the appropriate word, i have to say larger, btw, look in the middle of the deck, you will see a rectangle, that's the elevator!

http://www.marina.difesa.it/unita/images/sangiusto.gif
I got good news and I got bad news.

The good news is that the square looking thingy is only a cargo/personnel elevator. The bad news is that the square looking thingy is not an a/c capable elevator.

BTW, I even read the Italian Navy's Official web site for the description of the vessel and it only speaks of helo landing spots, not hangars. I compared it to GARIBALDI's description and within it it talks about a/c elevators and size of such elevator. (yes my Italian is still ok).

Take a look at this schematic from the web site and you'll notice that not even the AB-212 can fit.

BTW, before you even start, the AB-212's do not fold their blades nor their tail for storage. Now I'll give you that I've never seen an Italian Navy AB-212 getting moved in/out of hangars. But I've worked with the Spanish Navy's AB-212's and they do not fold tails nor blades. Ditto for the Greek Navy's 212's, and Venezuelan Navy.
http://www.marina.difesa.it/unita/images/sanmarco_new.gif

[easyand]

San Giusto elevator is larger than San Marco and San Giorgio ones

[ENSIGN FOREVER]

San Giusto elevator is larger than San Marco and San Giorgio ones

....that schematic drawing that I put is of MM SAN GIUSTO!!!!! No fit!!!

[easyand]

no, it's of MM San Marco

[ENSIGN FOREVER]

no, it's of MM San Marco:cantbeli:
You're right, double checked the Marina Militare site and I put a schematic of SAN MARCO.

Still, I stand my ground. No helo hangar and no helo lift.p-)

[sp2c]

I love those ships, I want 2 (Dutch designed) vessels for our navy

[ENSIGN FOREVER]

I love those ships, I want 2 (Dutch designed) vessels for our navy

Huh??? What ships are you talking about?? The LPD's????

The Dutch LPD's are much more capable vessels than those SAN GIORGIO's
http://www.scheldeshipbuilding.com/pics/scheld7.jpg

[sp2c]

LHD's, I want LHD's ... 2 and 4 more LCF's (but equiped for surface warfare, I call them Land Attack Frigates :)), and 4 of those cute Sigma corvettes ... and them Swedish combat boats and and and ... well it aint going to happen anyways

[ENSIGN FOREVER]

LHD's, I want LHD's ... 2 and 4 more LCF's (but equiped for surface warfare, I call them Land Attack Frigates :)), and 4 of those cute Sigma corvettes ... and them Swedish combat boats and and and ... well it aint going to happen anyways
You mean like this:

http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/Lookup/2005622101125/$file/050618-N-8154G-060low.jpg

[sp2c]

yes, but that one would be a bit too big ... needs to be in between of the Italian San Giorgio's and US Wasp's.

navy want's it really bad and they'd be building them right now if our minister of defence wasn't a moron

[ENSIGN FOREVER]

yes, but that one would be a bit too big ... needs to be in between of the Italian San Giorgio's and US Wasp's.

navy want's it really bad and they'd be building them right now if our minister of defence wasn't a moron

Big crew!! That cost money.

You have to exercise it regularly. That cost money.

Also need an airgroup for it--no you just can't throw in the NLAF with that Cougar stuff, or Chinooks like the RAF does on HMS OCEAN--A/C ought to be maritimized, and the crews need regular experience in overwater ops. You can't do that if you're hanging out with the army all day. That cost money

LCAC's don't come cheap. LCU's are ok for the small stuff, but you need bigger haulers, like the CAC's, for the big stuff. That cost money.

[sp2c]

Big crew!! That cost money.

You have to exercise it regularly. That cost money.

we have money, we just waste it on useless stuff ... the Navy's wanted to replace both fleet replenishment vessels with LHD's with 8 to 12 helicopters on board and 300 to 400 marines (both Airborne companies?) and minimal fleet replenishment function.


Also need an airgroup for it--no you just can't throw in the NLAF with that Cougar stuff, or Chinooks like the RAF does on HMS OCEAN--A/C ought to be maritimized, and the crews need regular experience in overwater ops. You can't do that if you're hanging out with the army all day. That cost money

NH90's and maritimized Apache's (6 (now 5) that are to be replaced could be transferred to the Naval aviation service) and perhaps keep some of the least aged Lynxes in service for the time being


LCAC's don't come cheap. LCU's are ok for the small stuff, but you need bigger haulers, like the CAC's, for the big stuff. That cost money.
don't need lcac's, you're thinking too big (too American) I'm talking about a hrms Rotterdam sized vessel with improved helicopter capabilities.

This has been back on the navy's agenda ever since the UNMEE mission, we had hrms Rotterdam in the Harbor in Eritrea and the Apache's in Djibouti ... not only did the Djibouti'ans (?) charge us an arm and a leg for parking and overfly rights but the birds were too far away if anything happened anyways.

Had we had an LHD there isntead of hrms Rotterdam it would've been cheaper and the Apache's would have more then 4 seconds over the AOR before having to return home

[baboon6]

Big crew!! That cost money.

You have to exercise it regularly. That cost money.

Also need an airgroup for it--no you just can't throw in the NLAF with that Cougar stuff, or Chinooks like the RAF does on HMS OCEAN--A/C ought to be maritimized, and the crews need regular experience in overwater ops. You can't do that if you're hanging out with the army all day. That cost money

LCAC's don't come cheap. LCU's are ok for the small stuff, but you need bigger haulers, like the CAC's, for the big stuff. That cost money.

The Royal Navy does have dedicated maritime support helos- the Sea King Mk 4s of the Commando Helicopter Force.

What can LCACs carry that LCUs can't?