PDA

View Full Version : Tolerance Toward Intolerance-WashPost



KB
02-07-2006, 02:21 PM
Tolerance Toward Intolerance

By Thomas Kleine-Brockhoff

Tuesday, February 7, 2006; Page A21

Last week the publication I work for, the German newsweekly Die Zeit, printed one of the controversial caricatures of the prophet Muhammad. It was the right thing to do.

When the cartoons were first published in Denmark in September, nobody in Germany took notice. Had our publication been offered the drawings at that point, in all likelihood we would have declined to print them. At least one of them seems to equate Islam with radical Islamism. That is exactly the direction nobody wants the debate about fundamentalism to take -- even though the very nature of a political cartoon is overstatement. We would not have printed the caricature out of a sense of moderation and respect for the Muslim minority in our country. News people make judgments about taste all the time. We do not show ******ly explicit pictures or body parts after a terrorist attack. We try to keep racism and anti-Semitism out of the paper. Freedom of the press comes with a responsibility.

But the criteria change when material that is seen as offensive becomes newsworthy. That's why we saw bodies falling out of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001. That's why we saw the pictures from Abu Ghraib. On such issues we print what we usually wouldn't. The very nature of the discourse is to find parameters of what is culturally acceptable. How many times have we seen Janet Jackson's breast in the course of a discussion of the limits of family entertainment? How many times have we printed material that Jews might consider offensive in an attempt to define the extent of anti-Semitism? It seems odd that most U.S. papers patronize their readers by withholding cartoons that the whole world talks about. To publish does not mean to endorse. Context matters.

It's worth remembering that the controversy started out as a well-meaning attempt to write a children's book about the life of the prophet Muhammad. The book was designed to promote religious tolerance. But the author encountered the consequences of religious hatred when he looked for an illustrator. He could not find one. Denmark's artists seemed to fear for their lives. In turning down the job they mentioned the fate of Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh, murdered by an Islamic fundamentalist for harshly criticizing fundamentalism.

When this episode percolated to the Danish daily Jyllands-Posten, the paper's cultural editor commissioned the caricatures. He wanted to see whether cartoonists would self-censor their work for fear of violence from Muslim radicals. Still, the European media ignored this story in a small Scandinavian country. It took months, a boycott of Danish products in the Arab world and the intervention of such champions of religious freedom as the governments of Syria, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Libya (all of which withdrew their ambassadors from Copenhagen) for some European papers to reconsider their stance on the cartoons. By last week it was not an obscure topic anymore but front-page news. And it wasn't about religious sensibilities as much as about free speech. That's when the cartoons started to show up in papers all over Europe.

Much of the U.S. reporting about the fracas made it appear as if Europeans just don't get it -- again. They struggle with immigration. They struggle with religion. They struggle with respect for minorities. And in the end they find their cities burning, as evidenced in Paris. Bill Clinton even detected an "anti-Islamic prejudice" and equated it with a previous "anti-Semitic prejudice."

The former president has turned the argument upside down. In this jihad over humor, tolerance is disdained by people who demand it of others. The authoritarian governments that claim to speak on behalf of Europe's supposedly oppressed Muslim minorities practice systematic repression against their own religious minorities. They have radicalized what was at first a difficult question. Now they are asking not for respect but for submission. They want non-Muslims in Europe to live by Muslim rules. Does Bill Clinton want to counsel tolerance toward intolerance?

On Friday the State Department found it appropriate to intervene. It blasted the publication of the cartoons as unacceptable incitement to religious hatred. It is a peculiar moment when the government of the United States, which likes to see itself as the home of free speech, suggests to European journalists what not to print.

The writer is Washington bureau chief of the German newsweekly Die Zeit.

Arsenal
02-07-2006, 02:32 PM
I couldn't agree more with this article.

ed316
02-07-2006, 02:35 PM
I'm embarass about our government's statement on the cartoons. Bush admin. needs to grow a spine on this issue.

anonymous individual
02-07-2006, 02:39 PM
That was a good read. Thanks for posting it.

americanbychoice
02-07-2006, 02:42 PM
I'm embarass about our government's statement on the cartoons. Bush admin. needs to grow a spine on this issue.

I think the Bush administration chose restraint this time, and wanted to defuse the situation.

On the contrary, I think the American response helped to stoke the fires by proving the case of the asshats in the streets.

...unless that was the actual plan of Bush & company.

ed316
02-07-2006, 02:45 PM
I think the Bush administration chose restraint this time, and wanted to defuse the situation.

On the contrary, I think the American response helped to stoke the fires by proving the case of the asshats in the streets.

...unless that was the actual plan of Bush & company.

Whatever The Admin's intentions were it was BS and an embarassment to what America stands for.

Dexx
02-07-2006, 02:50 PM
The Bush administration did what everyone would have done in their situation. In general, America is viewed as the great evil in the eyes of the Muslims and Europe as a kind of mediator and more friedly towards Muslims. Now, when Europe is the bad guy, America can use this opportunity to boost its reputation in the Muslim world. If you look at Iraq and the very difficult situation you have to use every damn opportunity to calm down the hotheads. You have to balance the pros (reputation) against the cons (freedom of expression). Politics is a dirty job and the sacrifice of your own values usual.

Bootneck
02-07-2006, 02:50 PM
I agree. A very shoddy way to treat our friends.


I'm embarass about our government's statement on the cartoons. Bush admin. needs to grow a spine on this issue.

http://www.theregimenthq.com/graphics/buydanish.jpg

ENSIGN FOREVER
02-07-2006, 02:59 PM
I'm surprised the cowards at the WPOST actually published this OPED. Pleasantly made my breakfast this morning a better one.

Of course, to date, the WPOST has not published a single one of the mohammed jokes, but did not hesitate to publish photos of a piece of "art" called Jesus Piss which depicted a small crucifix submerged in a glass of the artist urine.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b0/Piss_Christ.jpg/371px-Piss_Christ.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/Piss_Christ.jpg)

And since Jesus was a prophet to the muslims, where the hell was their protest when thise garbage above was displayed??? ISLAMIC HYPOCRITES!

KB
02-07-2006, 03:40 PM
Note from a friend on this subject, thought I would share.

"I gotta side with the Europeans on this one. This is an incredible display of intolerance by radical (not that its particularly surprising) Muslims and cynical leaders exploiting this issue for political purposes and using it to distract world attention from more pressing matters like Iran’s nuclear ambitions. You can argue all day long about editorial judgment in terms of other papers re-printing the cartoon but the fact remains that the cartoonist had every right in the world to express his opinion and the papers had every right to print it. The idea that Saudi Arabia can make it a matter of policy and law to exclude Jews from their country and deny Christians access to certain holy places simply because they aren’t Muslims and YET that form of discrimination doesn’t draw any attention or comment for its obviously intolerant and anti-Semitic stance but a newspaper in a free and democratic country is expected to abide by Islamic laws and values and constraint its own speech to avoid offending people who are hyper-sensitive and have no respect for other people’s values is difficult for me to fathom. Why are we even trying to be accommodating? This is a perfect opportunity to draw clear distinctions between the kind of world that exists in Western countries and what the world would be like under Taliban or Iranian like governments. This is ridiculous and I cannot believe we’re giving credence to the extreme elements within the Muslim world who are trying to make themselves out as the victims. We’re supposed to suppress our own values and then make excuses for people who are so hyper-sensitive that any perceived insult of their religion justifies riots, destruction and murder but imposes no demand on them to display similar tolerance or patience? Give me a break!"

Red
02-07-2006, 03:40 PM
You guys have to understand something very simple.The US government saw a great opportunity where they could shed the "bad guy" identity for a second and they took it.It was political more than anything else.

foxtrot023
02-07-2006, 03:54 PM
You guys have to understand something very simple.The US government saw a great opportunity where they could shed the "bad guy" identity for a second and they took it.It was political more than anything else.

Yes, we understand that the so called ¨defender of freedom¨ choose to sacrifice one of the most basic freedoms of all (speech/expresion) for political brownie points with the arabs.

miguelencanarias
02-07-2006, 07:33 PM
Note from a friend on this subject, thought I would share.

"The idea that Saudi Arabia can make it a matter of policy and law to exclude Jews from their country and deny Christians access to certain holy places simply because they aren’t Muslims and YET that form of discrimination doesn’t draw any attention or comment for its obviously intolerant and anti-Semitic stance but a newspaper in a free and democratic country is expected to abide by Islamic laws and values and constraint its own speech to avoid offending people who are hyper-sensitive and have no respect for other people’s values is difficult for me to fathom.

While I agree with you on this one, I would like to kindly point out that it is a sentence without any pause. Try to read it out loud and see what I mean... you'll drop dead...

miguelencanarias
02-07-2006, 07:36 PM
You guys have to understand something very simple.The US government saw a great opportunity where they could shed the "bad guy" identity for a second and they took it.It was political more than anything else.
As if the Muslim world would suddenly stop seeing the US as the devil because of that stunt. Get this: they will hate you (and us in Europe) no matter what you do, and they will keep doing that until the end of times.

Durandal
02-07-2006, 07:54 PM
I'm embarass about our government's statement on the cartoons. Bush admin. needs to grow a spine on this issue.

Last time I heard, they simply responded with a "We disagree with the statement, but support the freedom to publish it."

What's so wrong with that?

Kilgor
02-07-2006, 07:55 PM
You guys have to understand something very simple.The US government saw a great opportunity where they could shed the "bad guy" identity for a second and they took it.It was political more than anything else.

The opinion of America is so low in the Muslim world, I doubt it would have made a drop of difference.

America gained nothing and just pissed off some "friends".

ed316
02-07-2006, 07:56 PM
Last time I heard, they simply responded with a "We disagree with the statement, but support the freedom to publish it."

What's so wrong with that?

I didn't check there latest statement. I thought they were still sticking with the original statement. Anyhow they should of stood firm in the beginning