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ED209
02-07-2006, 04:30 PM
Let's be honest: Multiculturalism can kill a nation

James P. Pinkerton

February 7, 2006

The lesson of the Muhammad cartoon controversy is: Multiculturalism between nations is inevitable, but multiculturalism within nations is disastrous.

Protests, many of them violent, have erupted across the world - including Europe, Australia and New Zealand - after the appearance of cartoons depicting the Muslim prophet Muhammad in unflattering ways.

It's time for all of us to recognize that different cultures have different values. For the West, broadly speaking, the highest value is freedom, including freedom of religious expression. But for the Muslim world, the highest value seems to be Islamic piety. To draw such a distinction between West and East is not to endorse cultural relativism; it's simply to take note of cultural reality.

Not everyone thirsts for liberty. Plenty of people around the world, maybe most, thirst instead to restrict liberty. And so, if Muslim crowds can't kill the Muhammad-mocking Danish cartoonists for "blasphemy," they will settle for burning Western embassies, at least for now.

Even the government of Afghanistan - where Danish forces have contributed to Western "democracy-building" - joined in the protests. Afghan President Hamid Karzai, who would not be in power save for Western intervention, added his voice to the chorus: "Any insult to the Holy Prophet is an insult to more than 1 billion Muslims, and an act like this must never be allowed to be repeated."

It should be obvious that our effort to influence Muslim public opinion in a positive way has reached a dead end. That is, we advocate democratization but get Islamization. That process empowers the likes of Hamas in Palestine and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in Iran.

Even Turkey, commonly regarded as the most democratic and pro-American Muslim country, is changing its stance. The hot movie for Turks is titled "Valley of Wolves: Iraq." It depicts American GIs as blood-crazed war criminals. And, as UPI reported, the actor Gary Busey plays a "Jewish-American doctor at Abu Ghraib prison who disembowels innocent Iraqis so their organs can be sold to rich people in New York, London and Tel Aviv." These Turks are our friends?

And, oh, by the way, another piece of news concerning Western-Muslim relations is worth noting: Jamal Badawi, a leader in the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen, back in 2000, has "escaped" from his Yemeni prison. We shouldn't hold our breath waiting for his recapture.

Differences between the West and the Muslim world can be chalked up to just that - differences. That's the truth about world ethnicity, and no amount of politically correct wishful thinking will change that truth. Countries that ignore that basic lesson of history and political science put themselves at grave risk of internal discord, subversion and civil war. Either a country is united in its common culture or it becomes disunited in its multiculturalism.

For proof, we need only look to Europe, where millions of Muslims have been allowed to immigrate without much thought given to their political and cultural integration into their host societies. In London, Muslims responding to the Danish cartoons chanted pro-jihad slogans and carried signs reading "7/7 is on its way" - a reference to the terror bombings last July 7 that killed 52 innocent Britons. That's not free speech; that's incitement to violence. A nation allowing such hostile populations to flourish in its midst is not defending liberty. It is enabling its own national suicide.

Short of worldwide war, followed by occupation, there's not much the West can do about Muslim culture in Muslim lands. That's international multiculturalism, alas. But on the issue of intra-national multiculturalism, there's plenty we can do. We can monitor, we can insist upon political and cultural assimilation and we can impose strict controls on immigration and travel visas - down to zero if need be.

We might not be able to change them, but we can keep them from changing us.
Copyright 2006 Newsday Inc.
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Hells yah!! Finally someone in the press that has the right opinion. I said it before and will repeat it here : Europeans in Europe, Arabs in the Middle East, Africans in Africa, Asians in Asia.

Multiculturalism will only result in the destruction of the western world. All nations have different mentalities that are NOT necessarily compatible...and this is why multiculturalism should not be allowed to happen.

ed316
02-07-2006, 04:38 PM
Another racist thread. Not suprising comming from the premier racist thread starter. An article by a Fox contributor

ED209
02-07-2006, 04:39 PM
Another racist thread. Not suprising comming from the premier racist thread starter

I didn't write the article.

And "racist" is just a catchword devoid of meaning that is used by those who have no arguments.

Greek soldier
02-07-2006, 04:39 PM
Let's be honest: Multiculturalism can kill a nation

Don't tell me!! Ancient Greeks were the first to have talked about it!!

s005288
02-07-2006, 04:40 PM
There is definatly a major culture clash going on. Multiculturalism will either work :hug: or it will not work :-*$

But one thing I'm noticing all over the world is that muslim extremists are a trigger happy bunch of retards. Compare them with,,,,chinese people for example. There are chinese people in almost EVERY country in the world. Do you see them make trouble? No.

AceoFBase
02-07-2006, 04:43 PM
Another racist thread. Not suprising comming from the premier racist thread starter

There's nothing wrong with wanting to prevent the destruction or deterioration of your country and your culture.

ed316
02-07-2006, 04:44 PM
I didn't write the article.

And "racist" is just a catchword devoid of meaning that is used by those who have no arguments.


Hells yah!! Finally someone in the press that has the right opinion. I said it before and will repeat it here : Europeans in Europe, Arabs in the Middle East, Africans in Africa, Asians in Asia.

Explain this to me. This is a racially charge comment.


Racism refers to beliefs, practices, and institutions that discriminate against people based on their perceived or ascribed "race (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race)". Primarily, it refers to an assumption that the human species can meaningfully be divided into races, together with hostility to people of certain races or a belief, conscious or unconscious, that people of different races differ in value. Some people whose thinking about others uses racial categories believe that different races can be placed on a ranked, hierarchical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy) scale.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

ed316
02-07-2006, 04:45 PM
There's nothing wrong with wanting to prevent the destruction or deterioration of your country and your culture.

Guess me, being an American I see it differently.

AceoFBase
02-07-2006, 04:46 PM
There is definatly a major culture clash going on. Multiculturalism will either work :hug: or it will not work :-*$


I think it will not work in the long run.
Just look at how long the Greeks and Turks have been living next to each other and the tension is still there.

The countries most opposed to Turkey's entrance in the EU seem to be the ones with the highest percentages of muslim immigrants and therefore the most experience.

Greek soldier
02-07-2006, 04:48 PM
You cannot compare America with eg. Greece. Greece was predominantly a white society up untill the 1990's, but lately we turn to be "multicaltural" society (as some of our f**** politicians want).

Apathy
02-07-2006, 04:55 PM
Hells yah!! Finally someone in the press that has the right opinion. I said it before and will repeat it here : Europeans in Europe, Arabs in the Middle East, Africans in Africa, Asians in Asia.

Multiculturalism will only result in the destruction of the western world. All nations have different mentalities that are NOT necessarily compatible...and this is why multiculturalism should not be allowed to happen.

Hey! Asians haven't done anything wrong to the Western world. We have contributed to society and accepted Western laws without complaint. Now after all this, you're telling us to leave this country?

>:(

BoyElroy
02-07-2006, 04:57 PM
Dude, this is a seriously racist piece o' writing. The mixing of peoples and cultures (and yes, genes!) has been going on since the dawn of humankind.

"Racial purity" doesn't exist and has never existed except in the minds of small-minded people.

Greek soldier
02-07-2006, 04:59 PM
Dude, this is a seriously racist piece o' writing. The mixing of peoples and cultures (and yes, genes!) has been going on since the dawn of humankind.

"Racial purity" doesn't exist and has never existed except in the minds of small-minded people.

Unfortunately, some made it almost a reality...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn

AceoFBase
02-07-2006, 05:00 PM
Hey! Asians haven't done anything wrong to the Western world. We have contributed to society and accepted Western laws without complaint. Now after all this, you're telling us to leave this country?

>:(
There aren't very many conflicts with Asians (Chinese, Koreans, etc..) and Indians so I don't think western society needs to exlude them.

Muslims are a different story, whether they are Arab, Kurds, Turks or Pakistanis.

I think Malaysians might be OK.

ED209
02-07-2006, 05:01 PM
Hey! Asians haven't done anything wrong to the Western world. We have contributed to society and accepted Western laws without complaint. Now after all this, you're telling us to leave this country?

>:(

Ture, asians (chinese/japanese/korean) have been an benefit to the countries they go to. They work hard and send their kids to schools and motivate their kids to get educated and they contribute to society and don't perpetually whine about how they are being discriminated aginst. They succeed by playing by the rules and this is admirable, yet they have the biggest continent for themselves so they already have plenty of space and don't need to emmigrate.

Greek soldier
02-07-2006, 05:02 PM
There aren't very many conflicts with Asians (Chinese, Koreans, etc..) and Indians so I don't think western society needs to exlude them.

Muslims are a different story, whether they are Arab, Kurds, Turks or Pakistanis.

I think Malaysians might be OK.

Pakistanis work on Intel's Corp. laboratories, did you know that?

AceoFBase
02-07-2006, 05:08 PM
Dude, this is a seriously racist piece o' writing. The mixing of peoples and cultures (and yes, genes!) has been going on since the dawn of humankind.
Not in very large numbers. The places that had large immigrant populations usually had a lot of conflict. The multiculturalism in Spain, if you can call it that, ended with the reconquista and the Spanish Inquisition.

If multiculuralism were really prevalent throughout time them why was Europe almost entirely white, the Middle East almost entirely Arab, Sub Saharan Africa almost entirely Black, Asia almost entirely Asian, etc...?

If those regions were really multicultural then something disasterous must have happened that resulted in the genocide or ethnic cleansing of the minority populations.

BoyElroy
02-07-2006, 05:13 PM
Ture, asians (chinese/japanese/korean) have been an benefit to the countries they go to. They work hard and send their kids to schools and motivate their kids to get educated and they contribute to society and don't perpetually whine about how they are being discriminated aginst. They succeed by playing by the rules and this is admirable, yet they have the biggest continent for themselves so they already have plenty of space and don't need to emmigrate.


Europe and Ruusia have huge land masses as well but the Irish and Germans and Brits are "approved" to emigrate to the US 'cos they're white? How about Spainards. I mean, they're kinda white. But some aren't. How would you deal with them? Or southern Italians. They look suspiciously dark to me, you know. Maybe even mixed with Negroid blood!

You're off the reservation on this one, Ed.

Greek soldier
02-07-2006, 05:16 PM
Or southern Italians. They look suspiciously dark to me, you know. Maybe even mixed with Negroid blood!


WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!!! Back there this place was called Magna Grecia (Greater Hellas). The majority were Greeks (yes, white!).
Hope I made myself clear.

BoyElroy
02-07-2006, 05:17 PM
Not in very large numbers. The places that had large immigrant populations usually had a lot of conflict. The multiculturalism in Spain, if you can call it that, ended with the reconquista and the Spanish Inquisition.

If multiculuralism were really prevalent throughout time them why was Europe almost entirely white, the Middle East almost entirely Arab, Sub Saharan Africa almost entirely Black, Asia almost entirely Asian, etc...?

If those regions were really multicultural then something disasterous must have happened that resulted in the genocide or ethnic cleansing of the minority populations.


Where on earth do you think "white" Europeans came from? There have been massive populations shifts and intermixing throughout human history. There's been conflict and violence amongst population groups for 99% of human history.The term "multicultural" is a recent invention to describe a political concept as opposed to any rational demographic description.

Don Pascual
02-07-2006, 05:22 PM
Why I am not surprised to see this kind of **** here?
For all you who clains that multiculturalism is Eeeeevillll (uuuh!), try to came to Brazil in your next vaccations. We are a country who was build with different cultures (yes, more than the USA). Here you can find the largest japanese community outside japan, more than 5 million arabs, africans and indians, and europeans from Portugal, Spain, Germany, Italy, Poland, Hungary, Ukraine and a few from most european countires (actually, we even have 2 American comunities!). And more than 50% of our population is composed by people with at least 2 different races and cultures ancestors (african with portuguese, arab with italian, german with japanese). With time, we have absorved some things from these different cultures, even from the most recent newcommers we have absorved things.
But these foreign coultures are not enough for us. Inside Brazil, different brazilian cultures have developed. Southern culture is completly different from north-eastern culture, with northen culture is different from those both previous, and south-eastern culture is our most multicultural culture, because brazilian south-east is the heart of Brazil: people from all regions go there, and most imigrants have established thatmselves there.
And it doesn’ killed us.

AceoFBase
02-07-2006, 05:22 PM
Where on earth do you think "white" Europeans came from? There have been massive populations shifts and intermixing throughout human history.

Why don't you tell me where they came from and what that has to do with multiculturalism? Who else was living amongst those white Europeans and why weren't they still living there in the recent centuries? Were they killed off? Deported?

Show me some good examples of multiculturalism in the past centuries.

Greek soldier
02-07-2006, 05:23 PM
Show me some good examples of multiculturalism in the past centuries.

None. Simple as that...

BoyElroy
02-07-2006, 05:25 PM
Why don't you tell me where they came from and what that has to do with multiculturalism? Who else was living amongst those white Europeans and why weren't they still living there in the recent centuries? Were they killed off? Deported?

Show me some good examples of multiculturalism in the past centuries.


Aarghh!! How old are you? Have you gone to college yet? I mean, you expect me to sit here and go through human evolution 101 and world history with you?

Lordy...