Chavez: UK must return Falklands

[ed316]

Chavez: UK must return Falklands





CARACAS, Venezuela (*******) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez took another swipe at British Prime Minister Tony Blair on Thursday, saying Britain should give back the Falkland Islands to Argentina.
Venezuela also formally complained about comments by Blair saying the South American country should respect the rules of the international community, writing in a letter to the British ambassador in Caracas that the remarks violated the "fundamental principles of international law."
There was no immediate reaction from the British Embassy.
Chavez, a blunt-speaking leftist known for his anti-American rhetoric, had already told Blair to "go to hell" for his remarks, made during a parliamentary session in London on Wednesday.
His attack on the British premier shifted his aim following a new flare-up with Washington, sparked when Chavez last week expelled a U.S. Navy attache for alleged espionage and compared Bush to Adolf Hitler.
Chavez used Thursday's speech to prod U.S. President George W. Bush again, calling him a "nut case."
The fiery Venezuelan leader said U.S. ally Britain had violated the sovereignty of various nations. He cited the case of the tiny Falkland Islands off the coast of Argentina, which Britain and Argentina went to war over in 1982.
"We have to remember the Falklands, how they were taken away from the Argentines," Chavez said in the western Venezuelan city of Maracaibo. "Those islands are Argentina's. Return them, Mr. Blair, those islands are Argentina's."
Britain still controls the Falklands, which Argentine troops invaded in 1982, setting off a three-month war against colonial ruler Britain in which hundreds were killed on both sides and more than 1,000 wounded.
Oil sales intact

Blair said on Wednesday that countries like Venezuela and Cuba should realize they had much to gain from the principles of democracy.
Chavez responded by telling Blair to stay in his place and calling him the main ally of "Hitler Danger Bush Hitler" -- referring to his favorite nickname for Bush, Mr. Danger.
In a letter to British Ambassador Donald Lamond, Vice Foreign Minister Pavel Rondon said Venezuela categorically rejected Blair's comments and noted that international law meant respect for the legality of other countries.
"The serious distortion in his words in confusing 'the rules of the international community' with the norms and principles of International Law has not gone unnoticed by our government," the letter said.
"This type of confusion has facilitated, permitted and induced the worst atrocities against the world's peoples."
Chavez, a former army officer who took office seven years ago after failing to win power in a 1992 coup, lashed out at Bush anew on Thursday.
"Now there's a nut case up there in the presidency of the United States," Chavez said. "He's dangerous to the world because he's capable of dropping nuclear bombs.
"Now they're making plans to invade Iran and Venezuela as well. He's crazy, the North Americans themselves are going to have to tie him up because he is capable of destroying half the world and destroying his own country."
Rocky since Chavez came to power, relations between oil-rich Venezuela and the chief buyer of its crude soured anew when Chavez expelled a U.S. naval attache last week. The State Department responded by expelling a Venezuelan diplomat.
Despite the spat, Venezuela's ambassador in Washington Bernardo Alvarez said on Thursday Venezuela would continue to supply oil to the United States. Venezuela, the world's No. 5 exporter of oil, provides roughly 15 percent U.S. oil imports.
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All of this tough talking will come to bite him sooner or later

[Hellfish]

As long as the British are oppressing the penguins on the Falklands, everyone in the world should support Argentina's bid to repatriate the penguins to their proper status as Argentinian birds. :roll:

[Jaguar]

All of this tough talking will come to bite him sooner or later

Well, they have already tried a coupe, with american support btw, and it didn´t work.

On a side note, driving in argentineans highways one can see lots of well cared for road signals with Malvina´s map and the saying "Malvinas belongs to us".

[sp2c]

all your Malvinas are belong to us :D

anyways ... give it back to whom?
afaik nobody lived there before the Brits arrived

[a_very_ex_STAB]

I must say I smiled when I heard that report on the BBC radio news this morning. He must have got a bit bored of pulling the Americans tail.

And for the record the Falklands were never part of Argentina although they were under Spanish occupation for a while.

It's like saying Kuwait is part of Iraq because they were both provinces of the Ottoman Empire - a concept that has already been shown to be invalid!!!

[ed316]

Well, they have already tried a coupe, with american support btw, and it didn´t work.

On a side note, driving in argentineans highways one can see lots of well cared for road signals with Malvina´s map and the saying "Malvinas belongs to us".

No difinitive proof. US silence on it doesn't mean they did it. Chavez accuses the US of it with no proof.

[toad]

too funny...

[Jaguar]

From CIA Factbook


Although first sighted by an English navigator in 1592, the first landing (English) did not occur until almost a century later in 1690, and the first settlement (French) was not established until 1764. The colony was turned over to Spain two years later and the islands have since been the subject of a territorial dispute, first between Britain and Spain, then between Britain and Argentina. The UK asserted its claim to the islands by establishing a naval garrison there in 1833.

[Greek soldier]

Chavez: UK must return Falklands

Margaret Thatcher while listening to Chavez's speech:

http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~tkeahey/research/images/thatcher-distort.jpg

"I'll get ya little prick!"

[Jaguar]

No difinitive proof. US silence on it doesn't mean they did it. Chavez accuses the US of it with no proof.

Yes, no definitive proof indeed, but "the Administration endorsed the attempted military coup on April 11 against the elected president of Venezuela. (The White House later justified its response by saying it thought that President Hugo Chavez had "resigned;" but nobody south of the Rio Grande was fooled)."

edit: bad english for a change...

[king_nothing100]

To: Chavez@itakeitupthepoopchute.com
From: King_Nothing100

Message reads:

Spin on it, you daft cünt!

End message.

[ed316]

Yes, no definitive proof indeed, but "the Administration endorsed the attempted military coup on April 11 against the elected president of Venezuela. (The White House later justified its response by saying it thought that President Hugo Chavez had "resigned;" but nobody south of the Rio Grande was fooled)."

edit: bad english for a change...

That's it. Nothing. There more proof of Chavez cracking down on his opposition.

[EsoognomEhT]

UK: Chavez must shut the **** up

[Limeyfellow]

The Argentines already tried to take them once with military force after being convinced by Henry Kissinger and crew that it was a good idea. They just need to get over it that its not going to happen and the people who live on the Falklands want to stay with Britain. The same thing is happening on Gibaltar and so on.

[babydave]

tjis guy should go have tea with irans president, seems like theyd get on quite well.

but with all respect to venezuela we dont actually care what they think and the falklands and gibraltar will remain british for eternity, because thats what the people that live their want. :)

[Greek soldier]

tjis guy should go have tea with irans president, seems like theyd get on quite well.

but with all respect to venezuela we dont actually care what they think and the falklands and gibraltar will remain british for eternity, because thats what the people that live their want. :)

I've heard that Gibraltar will remain British until the there monkeys leave the mountain... Is it true??

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[Leftcoaster]

The Argentines already tried to take them once with military force after being convinced by Henry Kissinger and crew that it was a good idea.

I don't recall ever seeing a Kissinger (who is/was his crew?) connection. Was this widespread knowledge at or about the time of the war, and do you have any sources you can direct me to?

Whatever was in it for him to get involved; did he have an ongoing attitude toward Thatcher, Britain in general, or was he just full of onery mirth at the time?

[uhramechi]

well only have to say the malvinas belong to argentina is not discussion about that, the malvinas are argetinian island.

about chavez is just a idiot. nothing more.

i can recomend this document, here decribe why the spat or the reaction of chavez


The real reason behind the Tony Blair Chavez spat

This past two days have been full of the insults sent to Tony Blair by Chavez after this one suggested that Venezuela might want to play by international rules. There are two ways to look at these news: the Chavez circus or the real reasons why Tony Blair took such a step. The circus might be more fun but does not interest me. Yet I must briefly describe the set up before going into the really interesting part.

Tony Blair, Prime Minister of the UK, had certainly no need to tell Venezuela to start playing by international rules. Besides, some even question whether the US and the UK could even utter such things after happily invading Iraq. But this is for a totally different blog. Here I’ll only bother reporting the government reaction. First Chavez insulted Blair by sending him to a place with ****** connotations: el z/c/sipote. Naively translated as “Hell” by El Universal. Today he went one step further demanding that the UK restitutes the Falklands to Argentina (making historical mistakes, but heck, he knows nothing). One could shut him up fast by reminding him that he might want to see into ways to recover our Guyana portion that he gave up, for all practical purposes; but since he is an ignorant preaching to ignorants anything goes.

To show further how ignorant and incompetent is the new revolutionary personal at the Venezuelan foreign office, the rebuttal emitted today by the vice minister, Pavel Rondon, is an exercise in irrelevance and basic ignorance on how other countries operate.

The over reacting of Chavez being discussed enough, the burning question is why would Tony Blair expose himself to the vulgarity of Chavez? Because you can be sure of one thing, this was no mere mistake at Question Time in Westminster. You do not get to be a three terms Prime Minister in the UK if you do not know exactly what and why you say anything at any time. You need to go to Thatcher or Wilson to find as good or better than Blair.

This was a warning by the European Union that Chavez is starting to bother them. And this was done in spite of the significant interests of Paris and Madrid in Venezuela. What Tony Blair expressed is what is discussed behind closed doors in Brussels among ALL members; and more than likely represent a consensus opinion. I would go even as far as saying that Blair volunteered to utter this very first warning to Chavez since he is already in cahoots with Bush and has less to risk than others with Chavez.

And why is Europe starting to get upset with Chavez?

Well, to start with there is that electoral report of last December. European observers seem to have been particularly incensed about the Tascon/Maisanta list. This list which rates citizens according to their political leanings is used widely to decide who gets what from the government, creating in practice second class citizens. In a continent that fought savage world wars, genocides and totalitarianisms of all stripes, this type of initiative is a NO-NO.

A now perhaps even more pressing issue is the Iran nuclear energy question that is too close to home for comfort, literally. Iran can soon do simple nuclear missiles that could reach Europe before they are able to reach the US. And the avowed wish to erase Israel of the map by the Mullahs and their new underling president is something that Europeans simply cannot stand for. Endorsing Teheran so readily was a major mistake for Chavez. There are even rumors that the problems with expulsion of missionaries of the Amazon or the new mining laws are a way to control better the area and hide Uranium prospecting activities (it does not help that the Iran Venezuela joint ventures are busts but are settled in Guyana).

Furthermore even the European countries with heavy interests in Venezuela are starting to hurt. The French are upset that their contracts are harder and harder to renew in spite of all the graces and smiles of their embassy to chavismo (a subject already addressed in this blog with utter disgust at the French complacency with Chavez). When Total started paying twice as many taxes as expected and when Chavez started blackmailing Chirac into pretending to be his good pal so as to sign new contracts he might have gone a tad too far.

But even Spain might start having second thoughts. The planes sale to Venezuela not only got stuck when the US refused to allow US technology to be used, but the pro Chavez socialists Spaniards started to realize that their Venezuelan interests might not be anymore protected than those of the complacent French. Furthermore, this US Spain difficulty could compromise the wished for US trade. Let’s face it; the US is a much bigger market for Spain than Venezuela. And to top it off, the abuses committed against some Spanish nationals whose property was illegally seized in Yaracuy (among other places) has forced Chavez lover Moratinos, the Spanish foreign minister, to announce that it will defend his citizens interests in Venezuela. A first for ill advised Zapaterismo who might finally be getting the idea on what Chavez is really about.

So, when you follow the dots, is it that surprising that Blair did say what he said? I think not. I also think that chavismo might have missed the boat completely. Unless it got the point really well and has decided to send Europe and the rest of the world to el zipote. After all if you are contemplating illegal and illegitimate elections to stay into office until 2030, why bother with foreign nosy observers? We’ll see.


from: http://daniel-venezuela.blogspot.com/

[Jaguar]

That's it. Nothing. There more proof of Chavez cracking down on his opposition.

We agreed on the "definitive", but "nothing" is just too strong. Some millions of dollars to pro-coup organizations and numerous meetings between top US officials and the people who led the military coup are something, however not definitive.

Besides, the prompt recognition of an authoritarian, illegal, non-democratic government is not exactly what one would expect from a Administration who values freedom and democracy so much.

[Kitsune]

Greek soldier wrote:
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Get a life, man. ;-)

[ed316]

We agreed on the "definitive", but "nothing" is just too strong. Some millions of dollars to pro-coup organizations and numerous meetings between top US officials and the people who led the military coup are something, however not definitive.

Besides, the prompt recognition of an authoritarian, illegal, non-democratic government is not exactly what one would expect from a Administration who values freedom and democracy so much.

Pro-coup or oppostion parties to Chavez? Don't opposition parties meet with the people who back them all the time? The "authoritarian", isn't this what Venezuela is turning into with crackdowns on opposition such as newspaper and TV stations. Isn't the only TV allowed to be on is pro-Chavez?

[theholeinthedonut]

Everything Mr Chavez says is as relevant as a bowl of rice spilled in China, except for some pot brained Hippies and some "Viva el Commandante Che" T-shirt wearing kids with pimples, nobody cares about him, so lets get back to business.
P.S.
Rule Brittania!

[Greek soldier]

Kitsune, since you live in the Rhein, can you give me a Rheinmentall cannon??!? LOL!

[Greek soldier]

Everything Mr Chavez says is as relevant as a bowl of rice spilled in China, except for some pot brained Hippies and some "Viva el Commandante Che" T-shirt wearing kids with pimples, nobody cares about him, so lets get back to business.
P.S.
Rule Brittania!

P.S.

Cool Brittania p-)

[Hydro]

Return the Falklands? To whom? The penguins?

[king_nothing100]

well only have to say the malvinas belong to argentina is not discussion about that, the malvinas are argetinian island.

The 3,000 people who actually live there will disagree.

[Bombtrack]

time to sort those Argies out




There was a load of bloody fairies in Buenos bloody Aires
With greasy hair and sweaty bums, they'd never heard of Boddington's
A different culture and a different race, - no chippies in the ****ing place,
You can keep that poof Ardiles, we're going to have your Malvinas
Eh Up!
They got our backs up without a doubt, time to sort those Argies out
Costa Mendez lives in fear of real men who can hold their beer
Eh! Eh! Eh! The lads are on their way,
With bayonets and tommy guns and bellies full of Boddington's
Eh Up!
Fray Bentos and cheap red wine is all they eat in the Argentine
But after a scrap with the English Navy, they'll ask for the recipe for chips 'n' gravy
©1982 The Macc Lads

[Greek soldier]

Add to the 3,000 people the oil fields that have been discovered there ;)

[Kitsune]

I don't live in the Rhein, silly. We Rhinelanders usually prefer to stay shoreside.


And sure I can give you Rheinmetall cannon. Send me the 1.5 million bucks (Euros please, hold the Greenbacks) and its on its way...:grin:

[jerka71_1]

Add to the 3,000 people the oil fields that have been discovered there ;)

I knew there was a catch more than the nice weather and a lot of travel points getting there...

[Jaguar]

Pro-coup or oppostion parties to Chavez? Don't opposition parties meet with the people who back them all the time? The "authoritarian", isn't this what Venezuela is turning into with crackdowns on opposition such as newspaper and TV stations. Isn't the only TV allowed to be on is pro-Chavez?

Pro-coup. Mate, Venezuela is a democratic country, with fully functional institutions. Chavez is sometimes a funny character, but he´s also a democratic president of a sovereign country, period.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

I don't recall ever seeing a Kissinger (who is/was his crew?) connection. Was this widespread knowledge at or about the time of the war, and do you have any sources you can direct me to?

Whatever was in it for him to get involved; did he have an ongoing attitude toward Thatcher, Britain in general, or was he just full of onery mirth at the time?

I think it was Jeanne Kirkpatrick he is referring to not Kissinger

[a_very_ex_STAB]

well only have to say the malvinas belong to argentina is not discussion about that, the malvinas are argetinian island.

What is it about the historical fact that Argentina has NEVER owned the Falkland Islands that you are failing to understand?

[a_very_ex_STAB]

time to sort those Argies out
Originally Posted by Buenos Aires by The Macc Lads

There was a load of bloody fairies in Buenos bloody Aires
With greasy hair and sweaty bums, they'd never heard of Boddington's
A different culture and a different race, - no chippies in the ****ing place,
You can keep that poof Ardiles, we're going to have your Malvinas
Eh Up!
They got our backs up without a doubt, time to sort those Argies out
Costa Mendez lives in fear of real men who can hold their beer
Eh! Eh! Eh! The lads are on their way,
With bayonets and tommy guns and bellies full of Boddington's
Eh Up!
Fray Bentos and cheap red wine is all they eat in the Argentine
But after a scrap with the English Navy, they'll ask for the recipe for chips 'n' gravy
©1982 The Macc Lads

Ah yes the Macc Lads the finest product of my home town :)

[welshmann]

well only have to say the malvinas belong to argentina is not discussion about that, the malvinas are argetinian island.
................................
that was a dozy comment.
ask anyone who has been to the falklands about the people there,they dont live under british rule,they fly thier own flag,make A LOT of money through fish etc,and thier own little defence force, and they are a very proud of thier little islands,we are just big brother watching out for them.

plus i belive before christmas 2,000 extra raf reg guys went over?

[ed316]

Pro-coup. Mate, Venezuela is a democratic country, with fully functional institutions. Chavez is sometimes a funny character, but he´s also a democratic president of a sovereign country, period.

Well, You see pro-coup and I see opposition. I leave it at that.

[Jaguar]

Well, You see pro-coup and I see opposition. I leave it at that.

No problem.

[uhramechi]

Pro-coup. Mate, Venezuela is a democratic country, with fully functional institutions. Chavez is sometimes a funny character, but he´s also a democratic president of a sovereign country, period

m eyou make me laugh really fully funtional institutions, is the biggest joke i never listen.

before say any joke like that you should be read those documents.

http://blogs.salon.com/0001330/2006/01/30.html#a2720
http://blogs.salon.com/0001330/2006/01/31.html#a2726
http://blogs.salon.com/0001330/2006/02/06.html#a2733
http://blogs.salon.com/0001330/2006/02/07.html#a2735

here is show how democratic and funtional are the goverment institutions. better now like the chavez servants or feudal deer or chavez.

by the way chavez is dictator he became in dictator the august 15 of 2004 when he made a electoral fraud.


What is it about the historical fact that Argentina has NEVER owned the Falkland Islands that you are failing to understand?

yes argentina have owned the malvinas, except (maybe in your history books dont appears) but in the malvinas existed a small population or argentinian people but they were kick by the british fleet, they womans raped and childrens killed. from that moment the malvinas were stolen.

In latinamerica everbody are agree in something ( no mather if is leftish or right wing) the malvinas belong to argentina., the latinamerican territory belongs to the latinamerican people, just simple like, that; the kelpers in the malvinas are cosidering invaders no owners of that land.

[Hydro]

(maybe in your history books dont appears)




I'm fairly sure your Latin American history books say that the Invincible was sunk!


In latinamerica everbody are agree in something ( no mather if is leftish or right wing) the malvinas belong to argentina.


Good for you, at least everyone agrees on something. Even if they are wrong.

[Mastermind]

That petty little dictator will have another pack of ded'uns to take home if he tries to go for the Falklands again. Better to let the Brits be....he knows that and so do his military people. He's just a big mouth with no substance. Talk like this gets him world press...that's all there is to it.

[Jaguar]

m eyou make me laugh really fully funtional institutions, is the biggest joke i never listen.

before say any joke like that you should be read those documents.

http://blogs.salon.com/0001330/2006/01/30.html#a2720
http://blogs.salon.com/0001330/2006/01/31.html#a2726
http://blogs.salon.com/0001330/2006/02/06.html#a2733
http://blogs.salon.com/0001330/2006/02/07.html#a2735

here is show how democratic and funtional are the goverment institutions. better now like the chavez servants or feudal deer or chavez.

by the way chavez is dictator he became in dictator the august 15 of 2004 when he made a electoral fraud.

It´s not a joke, I was there and I don´t agree with the view expressed in the blog. You´re a venezuelan and you have your opinions but last elections weren´t subject to fraud, foreigners observes agreed on that. We both know who tried a coup and why, don´t we?

[Jaguar]

That petty little dictator will have another pack of ded'uns to take home if he tries to go for the Falklands again. Better to let the Brits be....he knows that and so do his military people. He's just a big mouth with no substance. Talk like this gets him world press...that's all there is to it.

Actually Chavez is Venezuela´s democratic president. Malvinas are a British/Argentinean issue.

[Greek soldier]

and BTW, it's the Venezuelan whites that hate Chavez AFAIK.

[Jaguar]

I'm fairly sure your Latin American history books say that the Invincible was sunk!

Don´t count on that ;)

[Jaguar]

Good for you, at least everyone agrees on something. Even if they are wrong.

No, we think you are wrong :D

[Pindeho]

All I'm saying is that, the UK will never give up the Falklands. Firstly because we paid a price for them. Secondly, it's a lovely place all times of the year so as we av another holiday destination.:)

[torN]

argentineans can get ****ed. Seriously!

[Greek soldier]

All I'm saying is that, the UK will never give up the Falklands. Firstly because we paid a price for them. Secondly, it's a lovely place all times of the year so as we av another holiday destination.:)

You already have Spain, Greece and Cyprus...

[uhramechi]

It´s not a joke, I was there and I don´t agree with the view expressed in the blog. You´re a venezuelan and you have your opinions but last elections weren´t subject to fraud, foreigners observes agreed on that. We both know who tried a coup and why, don´t we?

is no opinion is a fact since the asgust 15 to this date all the chavez election have been a fraud, for something in the last election the 90 % of the population dont vote, the only question how many oil income chavez used to bought Jimmy carter and cesar Gaviria.

about the coup, the only person that have made coups is chavez nothing else, the 11 abril chavez order to kill the civil people, and the military dont obey that order, so chavez like a coward that he is, started to cry and give up the power and ask go to cuba, he only was save for the corrupted generals, because if chavez fall the will be put in jail for corruption.

the 11 abril is like the orange revolution in ukraine except that the people, think the victory was secure but for our disgrace the red monster came back.



and BTW, it's the Venezuelan whites that hate Chavez AFAIK.

men check before the history a country before say something like that, fo ryour information the racist never exited in venezuela.

the segretion never existed, in fact venezuelan born in 1830 and in 1841 the slavery was end, and the period of since the bron of the republic until 1841 the 60 % of the black slave were free, only the last 40 % we free in 1841, alll th eblack people have the contittutionasl rights in like any venezuelan citizen.

in fact venezuela was the first latinamerica or maybe the first american country that a black llieutenant , the first in have black jugdes, black medic, black teachers, and also hppen with the indias, the first indians officers, medics teacher. whatever you want.

other fact of venezuela today, the 93 % of venezuela is mixed race, is mean the tipical venezuela is 40 % black, 40 % white and 20 % indiand, no exist any pure white or black, The only pure white are the spanish and italian inmigrants that dont have asimilated yet, and they only represented like the 2 % of the population, the other 3 % are arabas asians, ad the only pure race are the indians that represented the 2 % of the population.

the only chavez can said that he is the most brown all the venezuelan presidents but no the first no white president,

[Oddbod]

...... they womans raped and childrens killed. from that moment the malvinas were stolen.

Bullsh**

In latinamerica everbody are agree in something ( no mather if is leftish or right wing) the malvinas belong to argentina., the latinamerican territory belongs to the latinamerican people, just simple like, that; the kelpers in the malvinas are cosidering invaders no owners of that land.

How about all those of European descent returning ALL of "Latin" America to the natives they stole it from?

Makes about as much sense.

[BloodyTalon]

I will now predict the outcome...in AIM form:


I<3CH3: giv falklands bak 2 argentina n00b!111

limeyfellow651983: o rly? u an what army???

I<3CH3: agrentina's army

<DontCry4Me enters server>

DontCry4Me: leave me out of this, fag!

limeyfellow651983: lol drama

I<3CH3: fvck yu! fvck america! communism > yuo beeyatch!

<I<3CH3 gets kicked off server>

[Digital Marine]

What's he got to back his threats up?

[Greek soldier]

men check before the history a country before say something like that, fo ryour information the racist never exited in venezuela.

the segretion never existed, in fact venezuelan born in 1830 and in 1841 the slavery was end, and the period of since the bron of the republic until 1841 the 60 % of the black slave were free, only the last 40 % we free in 1841, alll th eblack people have the contittutionasl rights in like any venezuelan citizen.

in fact venezuela was the first latinamerica or maybe the first american country that a black llieutenant , the first in have black jugdes, black medic, black teachers, and also hppen with the indias, the first indians officers, medics teacher. whatever you want.

other fact of venezuela today, the 93 % of venezuela is mixed race, is mean the tipical venezuela is 40 % black, 40 % white and 20 % indiand, no exist any pure white or black, The only pure white are the spanish and italian inmigrants that dont have asimilated yet, and they only represented like the 2 % of the population, the other 3 % are arabas asians, ad the only pure race are the indians that represented the 2 % of the population.

the only chavez can said that he is the most brown all the venezuelan presidents but no the first no white president,

There was in the TV a Greek comentator's trip to Venezuela and also he visited the "favelas" and even asked its inhabitants what do they think about Chavez. His translator, white woman, didn't want to translate the inhabitants' answers. I almost understood (I know Italian) that the translator was way against Chavez and the commentator asked her inEnglish "why's that?" and replied him "Chavez is Indiano!"

It was shocking for me

[joshfox0]

I'm really confused did argentina as a nation exist when england started owning the falklands i thought at that time it was a spanish colony rofl

[Jaguar]

is no opinion is a fact since the asgust 15 to this date all the chavez election have been a fraud, for something in the last election the 90 % of the population dont vote, the only question how many oil income chavez used to bought Jimmy carter and cesar Gaviria.

You didn´t like the result and, as usual to south american´s elite, you´re are asking for a "revolution" against a "dictator". Man, I live here, I know the drill.


about the coup, the only person that have made coups is chavez nothing else, the 11 abril chavez order to kill the civil people, and the military dont obey that order, so chavez like a coward that he is, started to cry and give up the power and ask go to cuba, he only was save for the corrupted generals, because if chavez fall the will be put in jail for corruption.

the 11 abril is like the orange revolution in ukraine except that the people, think the victory was secure but for our disgrace the red monster came back.


Utter absurd. There´s not a drop of reality in your statement. Orange Revolution? Don´t insult our ukranian fellows with this monstruosity. It was exactly the opposite!

What more can I say...I´m speechles :(

[CMNot]

I just had to look up where it was on the map.

Is the friend of that Cindy Sheehan idiot?

[caridon]

Pro-coup or oppostion parties to Chavez? Don't opposition parties meet with the people who back them all the time? The "authoritarian", isn't this what Venezuela is turning into with crackdowns on opposition such as newspaper and TV stations. Isn't the only TV allowed to be on is pro-Chavez?
There is quite a bit of circumstantial evidence about US involvement in the coupe. There is proof that they knew about the coupe some days before it happend and did not nform the venezuelan goverment.
se http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_coup_attempt_of_2002#Allegations_of_U.S._involvement

for a good startingpoint (especialy the external links)

/C - dont particularly like chaves but belives in the truth.

[ed316]

There is quite a bit of circumstantial evidence about US involvement in the coupe. There is proof that they knew about the coupe some days before it happend and did not nform the venezuelan goverment.
se http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_coup_attempt_of_2002#Allegations_of_U.S._involvement

for a good startingpoint (especialy the external links)

/C - dont particularly like chaves but belives in the truth.

Tell me something I don't know. I read about it already.

[Kitsune]

All I'm saying is that, the UK will never give up the Falklands. Firstly because we paid a price for them. [...]

Ah well, the Argentinians payed an even higher price... p-)

[uhramechi]

There was in the TV a Greek comentator's trip to Venezuela and also he visited the "favelas" and even asked its inhabitants what do they think about Chavez. His translator, white woman, didn't want to translate the inhabitants' answers. I almost understood (I know Italian) that the translator was way against Chavez and the commentator asked her inEnglish "why's that?" and replied him "Chavez is Indiano!"

It was shocking for me

first the favelas are in brazil, here are Barriadas, and the barriadas have increase thanks to chavez, is mean since began the goverment more 2 millions of venezuelan have started to live in barriadas.

about the translator well first that almost ay person that know how to write and read is anti chavez.

ifirst you have to understaind the venezuelan culture, when she referring to chavez like Indio ( chavez suposedly is Sambo, but hism other is white) she was refering or try to say a savage, because before the indians were very savage, is mean, wild and cannibals, so she was refering to that, for that popular image. no for his condition of indian or half indian.

here in venezuela yeah existed racial comments, but never racist hate, is mean likee a exemple my sister and me, i calle dher snowhite, because she is in extreme white, and she called me black chocolate, in europe can be racist comments, but here are innocents joke, that really only the dump people or the want to get political benefits (like chavez) feel ofended.

before chavez, besides you can say offensice comments never existed racist or segregation, inf act the venezuelan people was in extreme united, the venezuelan we greeted ourselves playing or touching our stomaches fo rthe trust and love feel to one to the other.

but i have to admit yeah in this time are appearing racist, and yeah white supremacist are appearing like black supremacist too, but that isn o for the past, the blame is of chavez, he have divided and created so many hate between the venezuelan people. the onlyr acism that have been show in the recent years is for the blame of chavez no for the past

and i can tell you because my granfather and my granmother, (for my father is family) were black and indians andd they never were discriminated or surfer any racism in venezuela, my grandfather fo rmy mother side was brown and colombian and he always was welcome and respected, my father wasd pretty black and he became colonel of the army, and i have many friend brown black, indiand white that never know racism until the chavez goverment.



You didn´t like the result and, as usual to south american´s elite, you´re are asking for a "revolution" against a "dictator". Man, I live here, I know the drill.

south american elite?? men venezuelan never was colombina, peru ecuador, or bolivia, in venezuela until 1959 any person with balls can be president, the only elite that existed here were the lefitsh elite that took the power in 1959 and all of then were white black or indians, and chavez the only that he do was change the old socialist elite for his own family and radical socialist elite, nothing more, he 10 times worse that the old elite.
but yeah was elite have ruled since 1959 and the elite th eonly in common they have was all of them were socialist, including chavez.


my country is the perfect exemple that how the left can destroy a country

[Greek soldier]

All I'm saying is that, the UK will never give up the Falklands. Firstly because we paid a price for them. [...]

Only if they will be defeated by the Argentinian football team... in the future.

[Stormy]

The Falklands ain't that much of a charming place, Tundra and Hills. A good place for Pinguine sightseeing though, that's about it. The population is very low there, I doubt ppl would go there to look and get some ass. Come on now. p-)

[Greek soldier]

Falklands have oil and this is important for both Britain and Argentina.

[brad 1]

As long as the British are oppressing the penguins on the Falklands, everyone in the world should support Argentina's bid to repatriate the penguins to their proper status as Argentinian birds. :roll:

yeah but the penguins see themselves as british citizens not argies so its their opinion that really maters now doesnt it. brad

[Jaguar]

yeah but the penguins see themselves as british citizens not argies so its their opinion that really maters now doesnt it. brad

Bad penguins! Let´s bomb them into argentinean citizenship!

[brad 1]

i think that the R.S.P.C.A would be sending a fleet over there if that happens. brad

[miguelencanarias]

I see Urahmechi doing his thing again, so I will copy and paste a little reminder to all of you about who this fellow is:



Originally Posted by Knutsen
Loco, don't waste your time with uhramechi, what can you expect from a guy whose argument against Europe (in general) is that in Europe:
a) everyone is homo******
b) everyone, including police officers smoke drugs on the street


Loco, I believe you are a Spaniard, like myself. Perhaps you should know who are you talking to. I have copied and pasted a few lines from our friend Urahmechi that can give you a rough idea of his... aaah... well... curious perceptions about, among other things, our country:





also i wanna say miguel, really no surprise e the comment of persn that came a society like the spanish, where you only can find drug adictted, homo******s and atheism, but in the end i just laugh of you because follow the leftish ideas and follow zapatero spain will became the first country in became in EUROARABIA, thanks to zapatero and the socialist ideas spain will dissapeared and the spanish culture will disappeared too, so in the end i feel sorrry about you, only i can save god forgive you and rescue your soul.

postdata: lucking the spanish how are they in this day, really i am glad and hapyr the SImon Bolivar the father of my country free us from spain really i will fight will all my will to prevent the venezuela follow the road of spain.

another thing, Jose Antonio Paez "the centaur of the plains" was a patriot warrior in the indepedence war, say once: " the spanish race if the mos ignorant, awful, useful, disgusting race of europe, realy i feel shamed and sad that the wonderful,s trong people of venezuela have in their body the perverted blood of the spanish race" right now i am completely agreee with him.

Loco, I think we should move to Venezuela: apparently Spain is in such a sorry state that we will be better off there, and we can even save our souls and all.


But before inviting you to an atheistic, homo******, drug-induced arabic good-bye party at my place, let me show you a few more lines from this guy:




Originally Posted by Urahmechi
even in spanish tv, is mean channel like Antena 3 or TVE show more gay message and gay show that any channel i have ever seen before, whe i see the "telediario" everthing is about the glorius fight of the gay to conquer spain; or show like " Aqui no hay quien viva" is very funny but is extremely gay for the venezuelan standard or the normal standards i think, even in the show of buenafuente appears many gay message, and he is very anti right wing, so all the spanish tv show that spain is a very pro gay society and anti right wing society.

and about spain converting to euroarabia i can find a lot of information about the pacific conquer of spain by the muslim in this website http://www.antizp.com

There, the man has no problem taking seriously a hate website and giving it credit as if it were The New York Times and The Washington Post rolled together. It is like me saying that all African-Americans are rapists and drug addicts because I just checked the KKK's website.

But I am definitely moving to Venezuela now, I would hate to be raped by one of those gays conquering Spain.

Wait! wasn't it the Arabs who were conquering Spain? we are being invaded by gays AND Arabs? or -God forbids- we are being invaded by Arab gays? with pink jihabs, perhaps? Oh my god, I am so confused! Uhramechi, tell me, will I be raped and then forced to wear a burka? This is so scary! I am in the first flight to Caracas tomorrow morning!!


I remember he once claimed that all international observers from Spain, Argentina, Brazil and the US, including Jimmy Carter, were in Chavez's pockets and that's why he won the elections (not the last ones, the others before that).




so all election that chavez made are are rat tramps for the people, for that the 90% of the people dont vote, because they are tired of have received 3 electoral fraud continuely with the supported of the international observeds, socialist allys, and the oil dollar he have for he high price fo the oil barrel to bught minds, and finally the 8 generals and 24 colonels tht supported his comunist regime.

Chavez is the first communist dictator that I see bothering at all in having elections (many of them, by the way), not to mention calling for international observers like Jimmy Carter and several NGOs. I guess he does it for the sake of expending a lot of money bribing them, since they all cleared the process. The best evidence that all the elections were rigged: the results are not to Uhramechi's liking.


In order to keep us from mistaking him for some liberal, broad-minded leftist thinker or anything, he clarifies it all for us:





about my right wing inclinations, well yeah i am right wing person so what?? i am catholic person so what? i am right wing, catholic, gocho and venezuelan so what? i am PROUD of be RIGHT WING, i am proud of be CATHOLIC, so what? doesn't give me shame for my ideas, opinion or beliefs, i am proud of be the person that i am, my pride for be right wign and be catholic, is my weapon to defend the things i consider with most value than my life, that is my god, my country, my flag and my family, i dont know if th eleftish undertaind that but that is my feeling my catholism will be my force to fight agaisnt chavez and pro capitalist and pro democratic ideas will be to rebuild venezuela,.
(...) chavez is destroy my country so that is a offense is ultra presonal offense and if anybody damage my country will be pay with blood.



After this basic information, he then engages in a colourful description of his (and Venezuelan catholics in general) way of life:





my way of life is the way of life of a catholic venezuelan that is, respect the catholic church and the pope, love the flag the shield and the patriotic songs, drink like 20 beers for week ( personally i dont like beer i think bad so only drink 3 or 4 for week), we are good dancers (well i am not so good but i am trying), we go to disco thursday, friday and saturday, we hate chavez, we like to insult spanish men, ( i dont know is natural in our mind hate spanish men i think for all the indigenous that kill here), be good lovers, have *** three times for week and if your are par of the llanero start have *** since the age of 13 years old, ( how we can be ******ly free and respect the cahtolic church, idont know, i know the veenzuelan people can, by the way i am gocho so i dont started have *** in the age of 13, i started in the age of 15 we have more moral that the llanero ) eat a lot, made and eat Arepas.

OK, maybe a little too much information in the initiation to *** department, but hey, if he feels good enlightening the world about the exact date and hour when he popped his cherry, who are we to stop him? 15, you say? atta-boy!


And finally, happy to share with us his deep knowledge of Europe, he gives us this priceless analysis where, Alas! we Spaniards don't end up too well:





first than all think the only homos are the spanish, the rest of the european i am only disagree with them. ( i disagree with the rest of europeans if are leftish, really i dont hate you only disagree and i would to discuss with you about your ideas, and the right wing european, first i love you, second i need picture of you, a hair and blood sample, because i really think the right wing people in eurrope is in extintion so i wanna have evidences that right wing european really existed, and walk in the earth

I warned you...


So if you guys want to take this clown seriously, it is up to you.

[Jaguar]

i think that the R.S.P.C.A would be sending a fleet over there if that happens. brad

What is R.S.P.C.A?

[brad 1]

sorry man its the royal society for prevention of cruelty to animals. brad

[Jaguar]

sorry man its the royal society for prevention of cruelty to animals. brad

LOL, aren´t those guys already heavily engaged in the protection of foxes?

[Jaguar]

miguelencanarias thx for your very enlightning post ;)

[shilka]

Chavez is a asshole

[brad 1]

Chavez is a asshole


x10 brother

[miguelencanarias]

miguelencanarias thx for your very enlightning post ;)De nada. Un placer.

[California Joe]

Chavez really needs to shut his cockholster. Good Lord is he trying to be the next uh....Libyan strongman type guy? He's like some chihuahua trying to hump a great dane.

[Knutsen]

I love this part


i am PROUD of be RIGHT WING, i am proud of be CATHOLIC, so what? doesn't give me shame for my ideas, opinion or beliefs, i am proud of be the person that i am, my pride for be right wign and be catholic, is my weapon to defend the things i consider with most value than my life, that is my god, my country, my flag and my family...


we like to insult spanish men, ( i dont know is natural in our mind hate spanish men i think for all the indigenous that kill here)


I've always wondered one thing, and alghough it's off-topic (sorry for that), i'm gonna ask it now:

@uhramechi: What is the reason that makes you hate spaniards (as a whole) whereas you are a fully believing catholic? I'll practise you oral *** if you can find a non contradictory/ridiculous/biased/you_name_it answer.

PD: As a pre-requisite you should know some history about the colonization of America.

[Cabbage]

Bottom Line: You want the Falkland Islands? Come and get them. Just bring some vaseline this time. It'll hurt less.

[M1A2U2]

Id like to see the Argentines try again. The US wont leave the Brits out to dry this time. Not after Iraq. Our navy will be there right next to the British navy.

[sp2c]

why don't you just say the US will take the right flank ... you know that's what's coming don't you?

[Macs.]

why don't you just say the US will take the right flank ... you know that's what's coming don't you?

Duh, didn't you know that M1A2U2 is now the commander of the US Army and decides where they send troops ?

[LaoSexMachine]

Duh, didn't you know that M1A2U2 is now the commander of the US Army and decides where they send troops ?

Wasn't he punching nazis on D-Day? Or was it Grenada?

[sp2c]

I'm pretty sure he was leading one of the divisions in Desert Storm ;)

[Stormy]

lol...

Anyway, I don't think this fight will happen. It's all a pipe dream.

[babydave]

hopefully not as its not the best use of british troops but should they be stupid enough to try again....they will get beaten even harder than last time.

in fact i doubt the argies could defeat the RSPCA these days.

[ronin2172]

Id like to see the Argentines try again. The US wont leave the Brits out to dry this time. Not after Iraq. Our navy will be there right next to the British navy.
Uhh how did the US leave the british out to dry? It was a matter that had nothing to do with the US (that's like saying the brits left the US out to dry in vietnam). If anything it put the US in a uncomfortable position as the US was allied to both nations. In fact the Argentines banked that the US would intercede after the invasion and negotiate a resolution in the Argentines favor, they were sadly mistaken.

[Cabbage]

Uhh how did the US leave the british out to dry? It was a matter that had nothing to do with the US (that's like saying the brits left the US out to dry in vietnam). If anything it put the US in a uncomfortable position as the US was allied to both nations. In fact the Argentines banked that the US would intercede after the invasion and negotiate a resolution in the Argentines favor, they were sadly mistaken.

Correct. And apart from this, next time, instead of sending a contingent of Royal Marines and SAS, we'll send the Girl Scouts to deal with 'em...so we're covered in that department.

[scottl333]

uhramechi

UHRAMECHI,

I agree with much of what you say. It is proud to be catholic and a nationalist. Dont listen to those other people. I might come to your country later this year when I go to Colombia but I am hesitant because I dont want to be involved with this Chavez. Chavez is a loser and his time will come. He is alliance of communist means nothing. I love it how he wears his red beret like he is some military general. Hes a joke. I agree with you about Spain. They have become a disgrace themselves with that Zapatero or whatever his name is. They did exactly what the terrorist wanted them to do. Sadly a lot of Europe is being taken over my these muslims. Look at France and all that rioting that was going on. Hopefully they will now wake up and see that they are a threat after this cartoon thing. Im surprised it has taken so long look what they have done in Holland and France. What other religion would kill people over a cartoon?

[Vandervahn]

... I agree with you about Spain. They have become a disgrace themselves with that Zapatero or whatever his name is. They did exactly what the terrorist wanted them to do. Sadly a lot of Europe is being taken over my these muslims. Look at France and all that rioting that was going on. Hopefully they will now wake up and see that they are a threat after this cartoon thing. Im surprised it has taken so long look what they have done in Holland and France. What other religion would kill people over a cartoon?

1. Zapatero firmly said he would pull out of Iraq when elected. The terrorist attacks were only a coouple days before the elction. Zapatero was lected and he pulled Spain out of Iraq exactly like he had said for months, and not because of the bombings.

2. In France there were social riots, not religious riots. People from all cultural backgrounds rioted - the important thing was that they were on the lower steps of the society ladder. Nothing decisively muslim to be found here.

3. Van Gogh was a reactonary, an agent provocateur, he put himself into the crossfire with his cynic attitude.

4. As many threads there are about islamofascism, this one definately is not one of them. So you might simply leave them out of here.

[scottl333]

I know he said they would withdraw before he was elected but the whole reason terrorist bombed the train was because they knew he would withdraw troops. So he played into there plan.

I know they were social but a MAJORITY of those rioting were Muslims. Look at Holland. They killed those people for saying they wanted muslim immigration ceased.

The funny think is Chavez is very much related to the subject of muslim terrorist. He supports them. He has a strong connection with Iran and says he wants Hamas to come to his country just for the simple fact that they are against the U.S. Did you hear his speach about Jews on Christmas day? I would have thought he was Osama. My belief this guy can be trouble but hes more of a toothless shark.

[sp2c]

killed what people, what happened in Holland?

[miguelencanarias]

scottl333, considering your poor writing and appalling oversimplification, specially about my country, let me feed you a few facts. I will copy & paste a post I wrote time ago when some other idiot who couldn't point Spain in a map began preaching without knowing ****:

First of all, you don't know it, of course, but in Spain we have been fighting a bloody terrorist organization for more than 30 years, never wavering, never giving up an inch, coping with more than 800 innocent people killed and thousands severely injured. We buried and mourned our dead, then resume the fighting. So terrorism is not new for us, ok?. Apparently you think the first terrorist act in history was 9/11.

Second, according to every poll in the universe, about 95% of the Spanish population was against the war in Iraq in the first place. We didn't have a problem with Afghanistan, maybe because we weren't told lies about the reasons to go there.

The party and the man that later won the elections and pulled out the troops had promised, during the campaign and months before the Madrid bombings, to do exactly that if elected, so they were simply fulfilling an electoral promise.

Did you get that, sweetie? They said they would pull out MONTHS BEFORE the bombings.

They won the elections, most unexpectedly, when the Spanish public opinion sensed (correctly or not is up to debate) that they were being lied to by the former goverment as to who was responsible for the bombings, for electoral reasons. And in Spain, when people sense their govt. is lying to them, they vote for somebody else, much unlike your country, for what I can gather.

So please do us a favor and shove your imbecile remarks up your ass, you are making a fool of yourself.

And next time you want to talk of Spain, learn first a little of its recent history, or at least to point it in a map.

****ing FOX News cannon fodder...

[Greek soldier]

Miguel, ETA has killed more than 1,000 political, non-political and innocent people. And yes, for some terrorism never existed prior to 9/11. They thought that everything was OK...

PS: We also had for 35 years terrorism ("November 17")

[jmatucd]

3. Van Gogh was a reactonary, an agent provocateur, he put himself into the crossfire with his cynic attitude.


<idiocy>

so are you, so were going to do the same thing to you since you disagree with us and slander 'us'....

<end idiotic 'logic'>

[jmatucd]

****ing FOX News cannon fodder...

<idiocy>

****ing <insert favorite news organization you have never watched or read> {al jezerra, etc} cannon fodder

<end idiocy>

point: stop with the idiotic and childish insults
if you have a point, make it. But do not slander for no reason. And do not attack for no particular reason in such a manner.

[miguelencanarias]

Miguel, ETA has killed more than 1,000 political, non-political and innocent people. And yes, for some terrorism never existed prior to 9/11. They thought that everything was OK...

PS: We also had for 35 years terrorism ("November 17")Greek soldier, no, the dead list goes a little over 800, doesn't reach 1000. Fortunately.

[sp2c]

I think his point is that Spain pulled out of Iraq because Zapatero said he'd do that if elected months before the bombings, not because of the bombings

otherwise, wouldn't he have left Afghanistan as well?

Spain lost more troops in Afghanistan then in Iraq afaik

[miguelencanarias]

<idiocy>

****ing <insert favorite news organization you have never watched or read> {al jezerra, etc} cannon fodder

<end idiocy>

point: stop with the idiotic and childish insults
if you have a point, make it. But do not slander for no reason. And do not attack for no particular reason in such a manner.I will accept the insult reprimand part, since this was a copy & paste in answer to a particularly obscene post in another thread weeks ago, calling us cowards and what not.

But I also have to say, that I watch FOX (and CNN, BBC, Sky News and others), and I know that they were not shy about spreading the notion that in Spain we cowered in front of a terrorist attack and didn't vote for Bush's close friend ex-president Ansar. So I will stand my ground on this one.

[scottl333]

miguelencanarias why dont you face the fact that Zapatero is a pus#y. He did what the terrorist wanted. And dont even compare Spain's terrorism to what is going on now. 800 dead in a 30 year span is nothing compared to 9/11. I actually think the Basque should have indepence. I do not blaim them witht he government Spain has. Zapertero thinks gay marriage is more important then fighting islamic terrorist. Kind of sad when you look at the history of Spain and see what they did and what they are doing now. Sorry Spain's involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan was minimum anyway. I know you might think 1,000 troops is a lot but it really is not. It was more of a symbol and Spain fuc# that up really well. Spanish troops in Afghanistan are not combat. Have any even died in combat? They are not on the Paki border with U.S. forces thats for sure. By the way, I have been to Spain so I think I can point it on the map. Dont try to make Zapatero more important then what he really is. A coward, anti-catholic and much more. Now El Salvador, thats a good ally. Here is a country who went through 12 years of civil war and they have troops in Iraq. I have been there and they are great people and great women. Dont worry you people in Spain might hate the U.S. for whatever reason but I can tell you now that I have been throughout Latin America and they hate you guys with a passion. You want to talk about genocide that is Spain's history in Latin America.

[Bombtrack]

Ah yes the Macc Lads the finest product of my home town :)

haha thats awesome, are you from the famed "Macclesfield"

[Greek soldier]

miguelencanarias why dont you face the fact that Zapatero is a pus#y. He did what the terrorist wanted.

So, the Spanish people that DID NOT support the war against Iraq are terrorists? The 200 victims that were killed in the Madrid bombings are just nothing?? Zapatero is Socialist, while Aznar on the Right wing (like Bush!)

BTW, the Arabs prior to the attack against Iraq, did have good relations with the Spaniards.



I know you might think 1,000 troops is a lot but it really is not.


For a country of 50,000,000 sending 1,000 troops and inventory to a country some 10,000 kms away is a lot. And costly...



that I have been throughout Latin America and they hate you guys with a passion


Then why Venezuela bought Spanish aircrafts and vessels? Why Telefonica and major Spanish Banks have invested in South America?

[brad 1]

http://www.alamoflag.com/alamoflag/Images/NonUN/FalklandsIslands.gif

do you see the top left corner of this flag ? thats the union flag of Great Britain

the flag below is the flag of Argentina
http://zhenghe.tripod.com/flags/big/argentina.jpg

on the day that replaces the union flag on the falkland islands flag i will eat my own bollocks

yep couldnt agree more with that my friend. brad

[scottl333]

No they are not terrorist but you think they would react in a way of patriotic people and support the war against terrorism even more but instead they say the only reason terrorist attacks happened was because of the small amount of troops in Iraq. These European countries will soon figure out that it has nothing to do with troops in Iraq. It has to do with a way of life.




So, the Spanish people that DID NOT support the war against Iraq are terrorists? The 200 victims that were killed in the Madrid bombings are just nothing?? Zapatero is Socialist, while Aznar on the Right wing (like Bush!)


For a country of 50,000,000 sending 1,000 troops and inventory to a country some 10,000 kms away is a lot. And costly...



Then why Venezuela bought Spanish aircrafts and vessels? Why Telefonica and major Spanish Banks have invested in South America?

No they are not terrorist but you think they would react in a way of patriotic people and support the war against terrorism even more but instead they say the only reason terrorist attacks happened was because of the small amount of troops in Iraq. Evey amount of people that are killed in terrorist activities is bad. If that is one or 200 or 3000. They do mean something but Spain did not do crap to avenge those people's death. These are a very dangerous people we are talking about. We are talking about people killing over cartoons. Hopefully they will wake up and join the war on islamic terrorist fully.

Come on, what the government does and what the people think are to different things. Plus your talking about Chavez who loves anyone who hates the U.S. Just because banks invest in South America does not mean the people think highly of people from Spain. Your talking about 400 years of repression. Its hard for people to forget about that. I have not been to every Latin American country so I cannot comment on everything, but I have been to Mexico, every country in Central America and one country in South America and I can tell you that a majority of the people I talked to do not think highly of people from Spain. Im not saying they are going to start terrorism against them but they remember what spain did to them.

[miguelencanarias]

miguelencanarias why dont you face the fact that Zapatero is a pus#y. He did what the terrorist wanted. And dont even compare Spain's terrorism to what is going on now. 800 dead in a 30 year span is nothing compared to 9/11. I actually think the Basque should have indepence. I do not blaim them witht he government Spain has. Zapertero thinks gay marriage is more important then fighting islamic terrorist. Kind of sad when you look at the history of Spain and see what they did and what they are doing now. Sorry Spain's involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan was minimum anyway. I know you might think 1,000 troops is a lot but it really is not. It was more of a symbol and Spain fuc# that up really well. Spanish troops in Afghanistan are not combat. Have any even died in combat? They are not on the Paki border with U.S. forces thats for sure. By the way, I have been to Spain so I think I can point it on the map. Dont try to make Zapatero more important then what he really is. A coward, anti-catholic and much more. Now El Salvador, thats a good ally. Here is a country who went through 12 years of civil war and they have troops in Iraq. I have been there and they are great people and great women. Dont worry you people in Spain might hate the U.S. for whatever reason but I can tell you now that I have been throughout Latin America and they hate you guys with a passion. You want to talk about genocide that is Spain's history in Latin America.

Wow.

I mean, wow.

And you expect me to discuss this 'argument'? It is a masterpiece of human stupidity.

Don't make me laugh. I still have a working brain.

So whatever you say, ace.

[Knutsen]

Wow, we have another troll. IF you've been to Spain then you'll know the word "Gilipollas". Apply it to youself.

Btw, i ask you the same question to Uhramechi: What makes you hate Spaniards with reason and love catholicism when talking about the genocide of the indians??

[miguelencanarias]

Gilipollas integral, desde luego.

[Knutsen]

And dont even compare Spain's terrorism to what is going on now. 800 dead in a 30 year span is nothing compared to 9/11.
***SARCASM MODE ON***And don't even compare US contribution to WW2 to Soviet contribution. Your deads are nothing compared to their estimated 20 million. God, even little Poland lost more people. That makes your contribution completelly insignificant***SARCASM MODE OFF***

See? Everyone can play your stupid game. If you don't understand a dead person is a dead person, no matter the nationality , and even the amount of casualties then you have a real problem.
I demand you an apology to the 800 dead, the THOUSANDS of wounded, disabled, orphans, widows, threatened and people who have been forced to leave their homes.

YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

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these nuts are hilarious

[miguelencanarias]

Some posts here prove that everybody can join a forum and say whatever he pleases, regardless of age, gender, writing abilities, level of brain damage or major malfunction altogether.

That thing about 800 dead innocents in a 30 year span being nothing is specially beautiful. You are going to make a lot of friends with that line of thinking, moron.

You are not even worth reading.

[sp2c]

No they are not terrorist but you think they would react in a way of patriotic people and support the war against terrorism even more but instead they say the only reason terrorist attacks happened was because of the small amount of troops in Iraq. These European countries will soon figure out that it has nothing to do with troops in Iraq. It has to do with a way of life.

yeah the problem with that 'argument' is that the war on terrorism has nothing to do with Iraq, that's just a war that attracts terrorism

[Greek soldier]

He is not even worth being here... With such a perception, I guess the thousand victims of the IRA attacks cannot be compared with 9/11...

What an A$$Hole.!

[miguelencanarias]

Knutsen, my man, let's not waste our time with this retard. Good point about the IRA, Greek soldier.

[Macs.]

No they are not terrorist but you think they would react in a way of patriotic people and support the war against terrorism even more but instead they say the only reason terrorist attacks happened was because of the small amount of troops in Iraq. These European countries will soon figure out that it has nothing to do with troops in Iraq. It has to do with a way of life.

I am gonna open the pandoras box:

What does Iraq have to do with the GWOT ? I mean, Iraq never played a major roll. There a dozens of countries who "supported" terrorism much more then Iraq. (Including US/Wester so-called "Allies".)


And you can only be patriotic if you support the war ? Thats sad.

I support the war against terror, but in no way I see whats the deal with Iraq and the GWOT. I don't see the link. (And obviously until today the real reason for the Iraq invasion is unknown.)


They do mean something but Spain did not do crap to avenge those people's death.

So what should they have done expect to track down the terrorist in theire country and make theire country more secure ? (What they did, just think of what happened in the aftermath.)

Send troops to Iraq to revenge the attacks on Spain ? That doesn't make any sense.

[gaz]

And dont even compare Spain's terrorism to what is going on now. 800 dead in a 30 year span is nothing compared to 9/11.

Congratulations, you've even managed to out-retard a lot of the resident retards with that one.

[miguelencanarias]

Congratulations, you've even managed to out-retard a lot of the resident retards with that one.As I said, it is a masterpiece of human stupidity.

[Argyll]

That's why he got banned for a week!
The Falklands are a shyt hole,I was there in 86/87,the people there are tossers who were the most ungreatful bunch of fcuks I've ever come across,they wanted,but wouldn't give.....especially those in the West,I was based at Fox Bay,the locals were scroungers,but when we wanted favours they closed ranks!!

The lands around the FI are being explored for Oil,but it's in such a remote place,removing it would be difficult........what's more important is the mineral rights........My Father was there in 1947 with the Royal Navy,40 years later I was there myself!!

Our guys had some good laughs there doing really stupid things.....like throwing stones into minefields,we even had one bloke walk into the middle of one to get the Argentinian helmet that was lying there,he didn't realise it was one,till we pinted out the red triangles,he just shrugged his shoulders,put the helmet on over his ECW hat and walked off!!

[Greek soldier]

Argyll, how much oil exists in Falklands?

[Cabbage]

That's why he got banned for a week!
The Falklands are a shyt hole,I was there in 86/87,the people there are tossers who were the most ungreatful bunch of fcuks I've ever come across,they wanted,but wouldn't give.....especially those in the West,I was based at Fox Bay,the locals were scroungers,but when we wanted favours they closed ranks!!

The lands around the FI are being explored for Oil,but it's in such a remote place,removing it would be difficult........what's more important is the mineral rights........My Father was there in 1947 with the Royal Navy,40 years later I was there myself!!

Our guys had some good laughs there doing really stupid things.....like throwing stones into minefields,we even had one bloke walk into the middle of one to get the Argentinian helmet that was lying there,he didn't realise it was one,till we pinted out the red triangles,he just shrugged his shoulders,put the helmet on over his ECW hat and walked off!!

If you imagine the Falkland Islanders practice incest (it's obvious they are all closely related considering there aren't that many people there), I'm not surprised they are strange, Argyll.

But the fact of the matter is, the Falklands is our bit of incestuous land! Tell the Argentinians to find their own!

[caridon]

Argyll, how much oil exists in Falklands?

nobody knows (but it can be a LOT)

Another reason to fight owver the ignsignificant islands.
/C

[DeltaWhisky58]

If you imagine the Falkland Islanders practice incest (it's obvious they are all closely related considering there aren't that many people there), I'm not surprised they are strange, Argyll.

But the fact of the matter is, the Falklands is our bit of incestuous land! Tell the Argentinians to find their own!

Has that idiotic dictator from 4,500 miles away ever thought to ask the Kelpers what they think - no, of course he hasn't. They are British, have been so for the better part of two hundred years, and wish to remain so.

OK, so the Falklands Islands may be a bit of a hole, but the Kelpers are happy there - there again so are many of the smaller British islands from which they don't differ much. I don't care, they are British, were never Argentine (they claim an inheritance from a former Spanish colonial time) - in fact the French have probably got more claim than the Argies.

What if the Kelpers are a bit inbred - show me the population of any remote island group that isn't - there are just as many six-fingered banjo players in Orkney, Shetland or the Hebrides..........or Wales for that matter, as in The Falkland Islands. In fact I'd wager the remote Welsh/English/Gaelic-speaking sheep-farming communities of Argentina are pretty much the same!

Yep - they're British Sheepshaggers, they're ours and will remain so. Tell Chavez to go feck himself. If the the Argies want oil, I'm sure Chavez will sell them plenty from Venezuela.

[brad 1]

well said dw someone talking sense. brad

[martinexsquaddie]

the kelpers get to choose there own goverment and even the bennies are not stupid enough to want to be ruled by argentenia in fact most argentinains would rather be ruled by anyone else lets face argentina is a classic tail of riches to rags.
ok Central and south america vs the the UK military just the odd matter of a squadron of tornado f3s at mount pleasant airport. bye bye any form of air assualt :)
naval strike combined south american navy against one fast attack sub anyone say belgrano 2 added the ability to drop cruise missiles on air fields :).
pity he mentioned the falklands anyone who slaggs blair off can't be all bad

[DeltaWhisky58]

Let's face it - if the Argies tried anything now, they would be very foolish indeed. Their military capabilities haven't improved that much since June 1982 apart from updated A-4s, whereas the British amphibious capability and air defence is hugely improved, plus our reinforcement by air is now wholly viable. The only problem we currently have is that we are rather overstretched reinforcing Dubyah's ass in Iraq.

Let's face it, a gobby virtual dictator 4,500 miles way from the Falklands and absolutely nothing do do with them can say whatever he likes on the matter, but his opinions are worth jacksh!t. If he opens his mouth too far, George Dubyah is likely to implement his assumed god-given right and invade his ass. In any case, the CIA is probably doing everything in its power to destabilise Chavez's power base as I type.

[Ea$y-8]

Chavez has been acting very hostile. I think that all this big talk will come to haunt him later. He seems to think he is somehow able to order the world around. He will probably have to be deposed of if he doesn't stop.

[DeltaWhisky58]

as i understand it after the war there was a big influx of new islanders so give it another generation or two & that sixth finger will go away on its own

rofl rofl rofl

[Ea$y-8]

I think Chavez see's himself as a champion on behalf of Latin America. I think he wants all this done because he feels the USA and other countries are a threat to the Latin American way of life. And wants all Latin American countries to fallow him in his crusade against the west.

[gaz]

I think he's doing it because he's an attention seeker. As a kid he's probably the one who shat in his potty then put it on his head whilst shouting "Look at me Mummy!!"

[TuNeRsHaRk]

AHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

OMG OMG!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

yes and the USA should give itself back to england

[Knutsen]

Western media is giving too much credit to Chavez. He has oil and thinks he's more important than he really is, and our (both media and some governments) reactions are giving him more reasons to think he's the new messiah in latin america.

[sp2c]

messias?

nah, he's just another military leader with no sense of politics in charge of a country that's come inches of violently booting him out of power several times. He has to play the big bad outside threat card to rally his people to a single cause.

ironically we've seen this before in Argentina, their solution was to invade the Falklands, hopefully Chavez learned from their mistake (the military junta fell very soon after the falklands war) and sticks to angry rhetoric

[Knutsen]

Of course i don't think he is the messiah :bash: But i'm sure he thinks so

[Ea$y-8]

Venezuela is begining to look like we might have another Panama.

[ckabusk]

sorry for him, he is simply dont realized that he is begin muppet by some aresholes and getting nuked his own country for good.

[Jaguar]

Venezuela is begining to look like we might have another Panama.

Yeah, if we don't like the presidents you elect, we will use our muscle to get rid of them.

I´m almost starting to want US embraces it´s Imperial role, too much chest beating these days...

[DeltaWhisky58]

I´m almost starting to want US embraces it´s Imperial role, too much chest beating these days...

What Imperial role? - the US does not have one, it has just assumed the role of international police agency - that doesn't give it the right to invade who it likes just because it doesn't like the leadership! I'm not knocking the US, but it doesn't have the resources to fully cope with Afghanistan/Iraq, and already appears to be picking a fight with Iran - it just doesn't have the wherewithal to take on anymore of the world's trouble spots.

As for The Falklands, they are ours - we can and will defend them - that's a true Imperialist role!

[Greek soldier]

What Imperial role? - the US does not have one, it has just assumed the role of international police agency - that doesn't give it the right to invade who it likes just because it doesn't like the leadership! I'm not knocking the US, but it doesn't have the resources to fully cope with Afghanistan/Iraq, and already appears to be picking a fight with Iran - it just doesn't have the wherewithal to take on anymore of the world's trouble spots.

As for The Falklands, they are ours - we can and will defend them - that's a true Imperialist role!

Eh? Scottish aren't like the English AFAIK ;)

BTW, do the Americans have the capability of supporting multiple wars??

[babydave]

well they are fighting in iraq and afghanistan but its questionable if they could fight a 3rd iraq style war. especially with all the troops protecting south korea. you'd also have to ask if the $$$ factor is a constraint.

[foxtrot023]

I sincerely do not see what the worry over Chavez is. It is true that he looks at the mirror and thinks he is Simon Bolivar reincarnated, but I think he was simply dropped on his head when he was a baby. He will go away in time.

[foxtrot023]

Congratulations, you've even managed to out-retard a lot of the resident retards with that one.

he gives retards a bad name....

[Jaguar]

What Imperial role? - the US does n
ot have one, it has just assumed the role of international police agency - that doesn't give it the right to invade who it likes just because it doesn't like the leadership!

Exactly! I was quoting a comparison between Venezuela and Panama. Although I think "role of international police agency" debatable, in essence we have the same opinion ;)


I'm not knocking the US, but it doesn't have the resources to fully cope with Afghanistan/Iraq, and already appears to be picking a fight with Iran - it just doesn't have the wherewithal to take on anymore of the world's trouble spots.

Exactly again. Without draft, fully commitment with military, high tolerance to casualties and much more else, all this we-do-that/we-do-this thing is pointless. Sometimes people make it seems a question of some bombs and SF teams and voila, problem solved.


As for The Falklands, they are ours - we can and will defend them - that's a true Imperialist role!

I´ve brought up the road signs issue. Although argentineans may think the other way (reasonable given the proximity of Malvinas) I´m pretty sure this is the last thing they will worry about. Chavez was just being Chavez and expressing a common view in South America, rather successfully btw :).

[martinexsquaddie]

hang on just cause its near you does'nt give you any rights over it.
falklander islanders don't want to be ruled by argentina unless they change there mind nothings going to happen.
maybe if argentina had a functioning economy they'd think about it

[Jaguar]

hang on just cause its near you does'nt give you any rights over it.
falklander islanders don't want to be ruled by argentina unless they change there mind nothings going to happen.
maybe if argentina had a functioning economy they'd think about it

And when (if) this day comes UK won´t let them go :D!

Seriously, when (if) this day comes some kind of agreement will be achieved.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

yes argentina have owned the malvinas, except (maybe in your history books dont appears) but in the malvinas existed a small population or argentinian people but they were kick by the british fleet, they womans raped and childrens killed. from that moment the malvinas were stolen.

In latinamerica everbody are agree in something ( no mather if is leftish or right wing) the malvinas belong to argentina., the latinamerican territory belongs to the latinamerican people, just simple like, that; the kelpers in the malvinas are cosidering invaders no owners of that land.

Only one word can describe this - BULLSH1T :)

[a_very_ex_STAB]

haha thats awesome, are you from the famed "Macclesfield"

Yes in fact I know one of the Macc Lads :)

[G-Capo]

What a fool Chavez is,His rhetoric is second only to Iran's president.

[Cabbage]

Eh? Scottish aren't like the English AFAIK ;)

BTW, do the Americans have the capability of supporting multiple wars??

You're telling this to a Scot? :roll: I'm sure he didn't know that...lucky you told him.

Scotland is part of Great Britain. The Falklands are part of Great Britain.

...see the connection? :cantbeli:

p.s. If the Falklands belongs to the Argentinians because of proximity, then Cuba belongs to the USA considering it's proximity. And Ireland belongs to Britain considering it's proximity.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Eh? Scottish aren't like the English AFAIK ;)

BTW, do the Americans have the capability of supporting multiple wars??You're telling this to a Scot? :roll: I'm sure he didn't know that...lucky you told him.

Scotland is part of Great Britain. The Falklands are part of Great Britain.

...see the connection? :cantbeli:

Thanks guys, I just checked my label, and yes I am a Scot, so what my Mummy told me was correct! ;-)

[Greek soldier]

Did I say something bad?? The Scots are friendly and funny people. At least back in 1995 when I toured Scotland with my family they seemed like that... and they are very friendly with the Greeks too ;)

[perdurabo]

Eh? Scottish aren't like the English AFAIK ;)

BTW, do the Americans have the capability of supporting multiple wars??
depends on many things.
If population is ready for war and can take multiple victims
If they can introduce draft
If they can push their military budget more
also will it be "just" war or will it be war and stabilising and rebuilding country afther war... if second i doubt thet they can do this.

[Stormy]

Don't mess with DeltaWhisky! He will swing his Claymore around like William Wallace. p-)

[DeltaWhisky58]

Did I say something bad?? The Scots are friendly and funny people. At least back in 1995 when I toured Scotland with my family they seemed like that... and they are very friendly with the Greeks too ;)

No, this one's real friendly too - just being humorous. I grew up with Greek neighbours, friendly and hospitable folks - great memories. ;-)


Don't mess with DeltaWhisky! He will swing his Claymore around like William Wallace. p-)

Possibly... ... but this Jock prefers something a bit more stand-off... ... like a scoped .308! rofl