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Argyll
02-29-2004, 11:35 AM
There has been a rapid rise in the amount of Racism and racist comments coming from all over and rearing its ugly head.I don't like this ,and many regular members also are sick of it.
I am asking all forum members to respect the many different cultures and religions that are present here,we are who we are,and there is not much we can do to change,but this continuing Anti Muslim rhetoric is becoming tiresome and downright offensive,there is quite frankly no need for it.

Atacking Terrorist organisations,and the fundamentalists is different,as they are using their Religions to the extremes,but not every person within that religion falls into this category.

Again it is certain individuals who are spoiling for the majority,lets keep it clean and non offensive,like it was 6 months ago!

Salty Dog
02-29-2004, 12:03 PM
i agree. there's racism, and alot of country bashing going around here, and it would be great if it was gone.

Jack Mehoff
02-29-2004, 12:10 PM
I'm not sure if muslim falls into "racism" category. This is like saying anti semitic is "racism"

Jack Mehoff
02-29-2004, 12:14 PM
This is how I see it

Russian http://www.chatitaliachat.it/serpe/humor/130.gif --->Muslim

Finnish + Ducimus http://www.chatitaliachat.it/serpe/humor/130.gif---> Americans

Finnish http://www.chatitaliachat.it/serpe/humor/130.gif----> Israel

Americans http://www.chatitaliachat.it/serpe/humor/130.gif --->Finnish + Ducimus

Argyll
02-29-2004, 12:16 PM
being anti Muslim is still being racist Jack.
Anti semetic is also racist is it not?

wholagun
02-29-2004, 12:18 PM
I think the moderators have been doing little to no work in this area, I know your the new mod but you guys gotta put an end to this **** on this site. The mods should steop in alot more often and shut stuff down as was done recently.

Argyll
02-29-2004, 12:21 PM
I've been on at hood about this before,and it was pretty difficult to have Moderators here all the time,but as I'm here daily I am in a position to clean this up.

I agree 100% with your views it has gone on all too long!

A new broom sweeps clean!!

Jack you just about hit the nail on the head with the smileys!!

Gringo
02-29-2004, 12:29 PM
Let's be racist to racists and see what it's like for the peeps they're being racist too.

cut
02-29-2004, 12:42 PM
This is how I see it

Russian http://www.chatitaliachat.it/serpe/humor/130.gif --->Muslim

Finnish + Ducimus http://www.chatitaliachat.it/serpe/humor/130.gif---> Americans

Finnish http://www.chatitaliachat.it/serpe/humor/130.gif----> Israel

Americans http://www.chatitaliachat.it/serpe/humor/130.gif --->Finnish + Ducimus

how about:

serbian boy http://www.chatitaliachat.it/serpe/humor/130.gif -----> every race on the planet

Argyll
02-29-2004, 12:47 PM
Let's be racist to racists and see what it's like for the peeps they're being racist too.

because we're better than that Gringo!!

cut
02-29-2004, 12:48 PM
can you ban people now you're a mod?

Argyll
02-29-2004, 12:58 PM
Not sure cut?
However I would rather censure than ban,but there are one or two who are sailing close to the wind,and I wouldn't hesitate to reccomend them getting banned to Hood.

I just want this site back to the way it was in the good old days,when the atmosphere was friendly and relaxed.....................not too much to ask is it lads and lassies?

Salty Dog
02-29-2004, 12:59 PM
not to much to ask at all.

California Joe
02-29-2004, 01:21 PM
The Scots are so annoying. ;)

budanski
02-29-2004, 01:54 PM
Whos the tough talking cowboy now? ;)

I'm so jealous... always a member, never a moderator... a guy can wish, sigh.

Herrmannek
02-29-2004, 01:57 PM
Whos the tough talking cowboy now? ;)

I'm so jealous... always a member, never a moderator... a guy can wish, sigh.

If not you moderators wouldn't be necesary :) jk

budanski
02-29-2004, 02:00 PM
If not me, then all that would be discussed here airsoft, blah, blah, BDU's, blah, blah, specs on M4 with aimpoints, blah, blah, "when I was in Beirut...", blah, blah, ;)

Skaman
02-29-2004, 03:00 PM
This is how I see it

Russian http://www.chatitaliachat.it/serpe/humor/130.gif --->Muslim

Finnish + Ducimus http://www.chatitaliachat.it/serpe/humor/130.gif---> Americans

Finnish http://www.chatitaliachat.it/serpe/humor/130.gif----> Israel

Americans http://www.chatitaliachat.it/serpe/humor/130.gif --->Finnish + Ducimus



I don’t recall being 'racist' to the American people, though I have criticized American foreign policy, economics, and morality. Should I not be free to do so? Similarly, I have castigated my own government, foreign policy, and economic engine. Please don’t categorize me with these hateful bigots as the correlation is not there.

mustamato
02-29-2004, 03:01 PM
Didn´t know that Americans were a race.

Jack Mehoff
02-29-2004, 03:02 PM
Didn´t know that Americans were a race.

And where did I say American is a race? Care to enlighten me? :bash:


Ooppps....i'm sorry, this emote http://www.chatitaliachat.it/serpe/humor/130.gif substitutes for "racism" :roll:

Skaman
02-29-2004, 03:07 PM
Didn´t know that Americans were a race.

And where did I say American is a race? Care to enlighten me? :bash:


Ooppps....i'm sorry, this emote http://www.chatitaliachat.it/serpe/humor/130.gif substitutes for "racism" :roll:

That was the theme of your diagram in-light of this topic, but for the sake of argument, lets call it ‘culturally derogatory’ if you desire.

dhfactory
02-29-2004, 03:24 PM
I'm the most racist person on this board.

But i keep it to myself. And we should all do that.

:hug:

-Sean

p.s. Just don't want down my street.

Gringo
02-29-2004, 03:41 PM
Let's be racist to racists and see what it's like for the peeps they're being racist too.

because we're better than that Gringo!!

Just an idea mate. True, we shouldn't become as low as them.

what can we do them? How about we tell them to just STFU, and if they don't we tell them to STFU some more.

Argyll
02-29-2004, 03:57 PM
Point them to hoods announcement on the general Topics page!

Its worth everyone reading!

ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
02-29-2004, 04:47 PM
I'm the most racist person on this board.

But i keep it to myself. And we should all do that.

:hug:

-Sean

p.s. Just don't want down my street.

You say it like your proud of it, but at least you can keep it to yourself and not direct it at others and we will make sure they "dont want down your street" (that sounded like it came from wiggaz.com)

On a serious note, the racism has been getting bad. Theres been alot of bad chi floating around the forum, unfortuneatly I seen it coming from the Russian threads, which I personally regard to be some of the best threads on the board.

Those Passion of Christ threads arnt too productive either, it mostly turns into finger pointing.

Point being we all can take advice from dhfactory, sometimes its better to keep your mouth shut and not say anything at all then it is to say something hate-filled.

Haiw
02-29-2004, 06:51 PM
I hate Scots. Filthy Scots that smoke poles to get some freaky 'Moderator' tag below their name. Puh.

Okay, just kidding ;)

California Joe
02-29-2004, 06:54 PM
"stupid fat hobbitses..."

memphiz
02-29-2004, 07:09 PM
Damn those Canadians with there far superior Beer, hockey teams, military camo, and SF

CX20
02-29-2004, 07:22 PM
Didn´t know that Americans were a race.

And where did I say American is a race? Care to enlighten me? :bash:


Ooppps....i'm sorry, this emote http://www.chatitaliachat.it/serpe/humor/130.gif substitutes for "racism" :roll:

That was the theme of your diagram in-light of this topic, but for the sake of argument, lets call it ‘culturally derogatory’ if you desire.

I posted this is another thread, but I'll repeat it here;

I've just had to endure an Equal Opportunities course, and the course tutor (a hippy type) made an interesting point regarding Anti-Americanism, one which I found surprising. She stated that the majority of those who practice Anti-Americanism are more often than not unaware that they themselves are racist. Their hatred of Americans goes beyond government and policy and extends to the people, their country and their culture - in other words, an attack on the race of Americans rather than their leaders.

She also stated that, like true racists, when challenged on their views they "explode emotionally" as they feel they are morally right and shouldn't be challenged, and come out with a long tirade of reasons all regarding crimes committed by the American people, to justify their own racism. Just as a member of the BNP would bang on about immigration and crime committed by immigrants.

Likewise it spurred a debate on whether Americans were a race or not, but we were informed that they are. In a similar vein in this country, calling a Pakistani a "Paki" is considered racist and you can be arrested for that offence (I am a police officer and have arrested people for this in the past). I have also known of someone who was arrested for calling someone an "Irish b*stard". Americans are a race - people can't make separate rules just because they don't want to admit to their own hatred or racism. If we are talking fairness, then it must be the same for all, certainly in the UK any such language is racist.

In other words, I had it confirmed by a university teacher who lectures in Equal Opportunites that any attack on a nations culture is racist. Attacking the Government and policy is fine - but attacking a nation's culture is attacking its people, whether you mean to or not.

(BTW I'm European, not American)

Jack Mehoff
02-29-2004, 07:29 PM
Didn´t know that Americans were a race.

And where did I say American is a race? Care to enlighten me? :bash:


Ooppps....i'm sorry, this emote http://www.chatitaliachat.it/serpe/humor/130.gif substitutes for "racism" :roll:

That was the theme of your diagram in-light of this topic, but for the sake of argument, lets call it ‘culturally derogatory’ if you desire.

I posted this is another thread, but I'll repeat it here;

I've just had to endure an Equal Opportunities course, and the course tutor (a hippy type) made an interesting point regarding Anti-Americanism, one which I found surprising. She stated that the majority of those who practice Anti-Americanism are more often than not unaware that they themselves are racist. Their hatred of Americans goes beyond government and policy and extends to the people, their country and their culture - in other words, an attack on the race of Americans rather than their leaders.

She also stated that, like true racists, when challenged on their views they "explode emotionally" as they feel they are morally right and shouldn't be challenged, and come out with a long tirade of reasons all regarding crimes committed by the American people, to justify their own racism. Just as a member of the BNP would bang on about immigration and crime committed by immigrants.

In other words, I had it confirmed by a university teacher who lectures in Equal Opportunites that any attack on a nations culture is racist. Attacking the Government and policy is fine - but attacking a nation's culture is attacking its people, whether you mean to or not.

(BTW I'm European, not American)

Like this. I'm sure there are more


I fear that much of the world cannot withstand this flood of Americanization, and will eventfully be poisoned by this horrible virus. McDonalds to Jerry Springer- America is that seed attempting to spread its filth to a clean world.


It turned you into an ignorant prick no? oops soorry, enlighten me, I forgot your american, I should have known that.

ibstolidude
02-29-2004, 07:33 PM
The Scots are so annoying. ;)

The only 2 things you hate:
People that are intollerant of other peoples culture
and the Scots (ok the so movie said Dutch).


I think as Argyll stated people/Hood/Mods are much more aware of the conern and will try and be more observant of the incidents...

If somone has a particular concern I would suggest bringing it to someone's attention

Haiw
02-29-2004, 07:34 PM
The Scots are so annoying. ;)

The only 2 things you hate:
People that are intollerant of other peoples culture
and the Scots (ok the so movie said Dutch).


I think as Argyll stated people/Hood/Mods are much more aware of the conern and will try and be more observant of the incidents...

If somone has a particular concern I would suggest bringing it to someone's attention
Thank god. It's about time we put an end to Scots. I mean, what's next, a Scottish flag on the front page?!

Kieran
02-29-2004, 09:00 PM
Jeebers, the first productive thread in months and then I find out all you guys just closet anti-Scots...

:D :D :D :D :D

teheheh

mocking_loudly_died
02-29-2004, 09:58 PM
Scots are fiscally tight.

Is that racist or fact?

Skaman
02-29-2004, 10:03 PM
Didn´t know that Americans were a race.

And where did I say American is a race? Care to enlighten me? :bash:


Ooppps....i'm sorry, this emote http://www.chatitaliachat.it/serpe/humor/130.gif substitutes for "racism" :roll:

That was the theme of your diagram in-light of this topic, but for the sake of argument, lets call it ‘culturally derogatory’ if you desire.

I posted this is another thread, but I'll repeat it here;

I've just had to endure an Equal Opportunities course, and the course tutor (a hippy type) made an interesting point regarding Anti-Americanism, one which I found surprising. She stated that the majority of those who practice Anti-Americanism are more often than not unaware that they themselves are racist. Their hatred of Americans goes beyond government and policy and extends to the people, their country and their culture - in other words, an attack on the race of Americans rather than their leaders.

She also stated that, like true racists, when challenged on their views they "explode emotionally" as they feel they are morally right and shouldn't be challenged, and come out with a long tirade of reasons all regarding crimes committed by the American people, to justify their own racism. Just as a member of the BNP would bang on about immigration and crime committed by immigrants.

In other words, I had it confirmed by a university teacher who lectures in Equal Opportunites that any attack on a nations culture is racist. Attacking the Government and policy is fine - but attacking a nation's culture is attacking its people, whether you mean to or not.

(BTW I'm European, not American)

Like this. I'm sure there are more


I fear that much of the world cannot withstand this flood of Americanization, and will eventfully be poisoned by this horrible virus. McDonalds to Jerry Springer- America is that seed attempting to spread its filth to a clean world.

American culture/values and morality, something to value or condone? I say condone in many respects. If we do not examine and expose the sickening truth behind our false idols and wasteful lifestyle, we shall never learn and improve upon ourselves.

It turned you into an ignorant prick no? oops soorry, enlighten me, I forgot your american, I should have known that.

Not a comment I should have made. Did I not apologize for this before? I think so. Qualifying all Americans as ignorant is not a valid accusation and I testify to that. I am human after all, and not infallible in the least. I don’t know many who have done the same for their own 'slips of tongue'

memphiz
02-29-2004, 10:11 PM
The Scots are so annoying. ;)

The only 2 things you hate:
People that are intollerant of other peoples culture
and the Scots (ok the so movie said Dutch).


I think as Argyll stated people/Hood/Mods are much more aware of the conern and will try and be more observant of the incidents...

If somone has a particular concern I would suggest bringing it to someone's attention
Thank god. It's about time we put an end to Scots. I mean, what's next, a Scottish flag on the front page?!
im Scottish :D
*puts on kilt*
AHHHK... i've fugots mi oondies,foock :cantbeli:

Yard Ape
02-29-2004, 10:50 PM
I'm not sure if muslim falls into "racism" category. This is like saying anti semitic is "racism"
For the dictionary lawyers, lets say "cultural bigotry, racism, and hate."

ibstolidude
02-29-2004, 10:51 PM
This reminds me about the Romans:

Reg
Yeah, all right Stan, don't delay with the point. And what have
they ever given us in return?

Revolutionary I
The aqueduct?

Reg
What?

Revolutionary I
The aqueduct.

Reg
Oh. Yeah, yeah, they did give us that, ah, that's true, yeah.

Revolutionary II
And the sanitation.

Loretta
Oh, yeah, the sanitation, Reg. Remember what the city used to be
like.

Reg
Yeah, all right, I'll grant you the aqueduct and sanitation, the
two things the Romans have done.

Matthias
And the roads.

Reg
Oh, yeah, obviously the roads. I mean the roads go without
saying, don't they? But apart from the sanitation, the

aqueduct, and the roads...

Revolutionary III
Irrigation.

Revolutionary I
Medicine.

Revolutionary IV
Education.

Reg
Yeah, yeah, all right, fair enough.

Revolutionary V
And the wine.

All revolutionaries except Reg
Oh, yeah! Right!

Rogers
Yeah! Yeah, that's something we'd really miss Reg, if the Romans
left. Huh.

Revolutionary VI
Public bathes.

Loretta
And it's safe to walk in the streets at night now, Reg.

Rogers
Yeah, they certainly know how to keep order. Let's face it;
they're the only ones who could in a place like this.

All revolutionaries except Reg
Hahaha...all right...

Reg
All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine,
education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water

system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

Revolutionary I
Brought peace?

Reg
Oh, peace! Shut up!

Argyll
03-01-2004, 07:33 AM
Scots are fiscally tight.

Is that racist or fact?


depends if you're talking about males or females! ;)

WARPIG
03-01-2004, 08:08 AM
I think Argyll is trying to get a little cultural respect out of us. Maybe not really a need to try and be PC but keeping the "Canadians smell like bologna" crap down to a minimum. Taking a serious air to classifying Muslims, Jews, French, American, Europeans.. etc as lesser than your particular culture is obviously flammable but should be tolerated on a very limited field.
For instance if I am asking about why the Muslim faith seems to have a stereotype attatched as being unforgiving and violent. Or, why Jewish people seem so seperate... this comes from a lack of knowledge and is intended to educate my limited understanding. On the other hand when people like dicamus(not recently) create threads citing "American Failures" and attacking all things American.. it lacks any realy intent to learn or discuss anything relevent and is simply in the interest of conflict. Same goes to the "Surrender Monkeys" crap that stinks this site up. Debates and arguments are what make this site worth coming to. But the pissing contests just get us all pissed on. We should all get a little slack for slip ups.. we all have them. But for those of you who show up here to stink it up...I hope your days are numbered.

Brandon
03-01-2004, 08:24 AM
Just dont ever confuse racism with being proud or your own culture. Up here in the "sticks" :lol: we are engulfed with multi-culturalism every time we turn around. You HAVE to love everyone and whenever I voice my opinion on the whole scene, I am labelled as a redneck racist!
If every illegal immigrant has the RIGHT to come into our country and DEMAND his heritage be protected, I have the right to be pissed and try to keep my culture alive and well.

hank
03-01-2004, 08:56 AM
For the record I don't think anti-semitism is racist. Discriminatory, yes, but Judiasm is not a race it is a religion. The general idea is let's not make discriminatory comments. Cool.

I want to strss one thing however. There is a lot of posting here by people with a decidedly pro-russian agenda. Things like space ships, tanks, guns, etc. The idea behind these posts seems to be of two varieties.

First, they are often great pictures. These I really appreciate. Those photos are hard to find and I for one save them all b/c I like them.

The second type is a little more invidious. they tend to be things like - russians don't kill chechyns/astans, etc. The tinge on these posts sickens me. Also, what sickens me is the propensity for many of these people to turn violent and insulting when someone disagrees. I don't want ot name any names, but I will if would make anybody feel better.

I will post challenging comments in these threads, especially when thet are silly, as many of them are. I will not, never have and don't plan on, attack any racial group. But I will hold these guys' feet to the fire a little bit when necessary in my view. I hope that these kind of responses are not the ones we intend to get rid of.

We all need to remember that while this is private, in that Hood owns it and ultimatlely this is his house, it is public in that anybody can join, etc. If you post something here you should EXPECT the following: 1) disagreements - let's face it not everybody agrees - this fact is exacerbated by the fact that many here are young and often uninformed + opinionated. Not to say us old guys aren't guilty also, to be sure. 2) good-natured ribbing - c'mon we all think it is at least a litle funny when farmgirl and CJ and trigger get it going, don'e we? 3) insensitive comments - i mean when the russians post stuff about astan on here do they really think that americans are going to agree? or peopl from astan? Get real - that is the risk you take when you post - if you can't deal with it there may be other places more suited to your tastes.

What we should not stand for are:

1) discriminatory posts about race, religion, nationality, etc. - BUT don't confuse something based in FACT with discriminatory - i.e. Mexican immigrants ARE often impoverished - that is a fact that proven - not ALWAYS true but statistically defendable - MEXICANS spread disease is not - unless you have the ammo to back it up - then by all means go ahead b/c I would be interested in reading the study. I hope the distinction between these statemens - one discriminatory one non-discriminatory is obvious.

2) Any post that mentions violence against another poster. These are surprisingly common and absurd. Come offenders repeat, and repeat this nonsense. Being uninformed is not a crime or really even not understandable. If you see something wrong - correct it and correct it again if necessary - but don't threaten b/c it just has no place here in a civilised forum like this (I mean come on we can get away with beastiality jokes here so we must be civilised, right?).

Now I have singled oout the Russians here b/c IMO they are particularly egregious offenders. But there are other groups that are guilty - a few: marines, israelis, silly extreme Pro-Americans, and a lot more. I am going to continue to weigh in, while keeping the forum rules in mind, but I am not going to be silent when I see this crap.

no discrimitory comments - we all need to abide. cool.

hank

farmgirl
03-01-2004, 09:09 AM
Nicely said, Hank.
You suuuuure is smart. ;)

MD

Argyll
03-01-2004, 09:36 AM
WARPIG has hit the nail on the head in my direction,and Hank has added to this,it is sadly only a couple of narrow minded individuals who are tarnishing the site,and if folks follow the site rules and guidlines ,then it makes for a better and more interesting place,and more informative,and we can all get back to enjoying the site and the members will hopefully feel they can make informative posts without being flamed or abused,and insulted.
I know it's the internet,but it's become a sour taste lately here,and I'd like to see it back to the good old days!! ;)

Haiw
03-01-2004, 09:43 AM
Yeah...about time those Scots are leaving! Go get 'em Argyll!

What?

Guttorm
03-01-2004, 11:00 AM
*puts on kilt*
AHHHK... i've fugots mi oondies,foock :cantbeli:

Hmmm... Didn't know true scots wore undies... :D

California Joe
03-01-2004, 11:01 AM
Guttorm's avatar frightens me.

pinkeye
03-01-2004, 11:12 AM
as a fellow scot (govan represent!), i am offended by all the anti-scottish messages and i am calling for all my brethern to join me for one final highland charge to show these brutes how tough we scots are...

ard choille!!

Mr Gently Benevolent
03-01-2004, 11:14 AM
Guttorm's avatar frightens me.
Imagine waking up and finding Guttorm's avatar at the foot of your bed grinning like that. :D

Haiw
03-01-2004, 11:28 AM
Guttorm's avatar frightens me.
Imagine waking up and finding Guttorm's avatar at the foot of your bed grinning like that. :D
Now that's an image that deserves a banning...

Thanks for giving me nightmares for the next few days. :(

Argyll
03-01-2004, 12:19 PM
as a fellow scot (govan represent!), i am offended by all the anti-scottish messages and i am calling for all my brethern to join me for one final highland charge to show these brutes how tough we scots are...

ard choille!!

Are you a blue nose as well?
What a pathetic display yesterday eh?

pinkeye
03-01-2004, 01:13 PM
as a fellow scot (govan represent!), i am offended by all the anti-scottish messages and i am calling for all my brethern to join me for one final highland charge to show these brutes how tough we scots are...

ard choille!!

Are you a blue nose as well?
What a pathetic display yesterday eh?

i gave up on my beloved rangers several months ago. shameful, 16 points behind celtic!!!

hank
03-01-2004, 02:25 PM
Argyll - you are both a scholar and a gentleman and I know you will handle this appropriately. Keep up the work, many people - me included - really enjoy this forum.

hank

Trigger
03-01-2004, 02:42 PM
I'm not racist, I think people are all equally worthless, furthermore, I hate this forum and I only come here to abuse myself. p-)

hank
03-01-2004, 02:49 PM
Is it racism to hate blue gorillas that dress up like uncle sam? Just curious

hank

Trigger
03-01-2004, 02:59 PM
No, that's called 'sacrelige' hank. Don't even think about it. p-)

Midtown
03-01-2004, 03:03 PM
People just whine to much. You people dont drink enough.

WARPIG
03-01-2004, 03:06 PM
What if blue gorillas make you physically aroused?

Trigger
03-01-2004, 03:09 PM
Are you Swedish?

farmgirl
03-01-2004, 03:11 PM
What if blue gorillas make you physically aroused?


I feel so much better.... I thought I was the only one..... ;)

WARPIG
03-01-2004, 03:12 PM
It must be the hairy nips.

Trigger
03-01-2004, 03:14 PM
...or the banana in my pocket :D

farmgirl
03-01-2004, 03:22 PM
I'm not sayin'..... :oops:

Salty Dog
03-01-2004, 04:24 PM
well if you guys really feel that strongly about all this racist stuff and putting other people down, then i will just pack my bags and be headin on out of here. see you later......



PSYCH!

memphiz
03-01-2004, 06:07 PM
*puts on kilt*
AHHHK... i've fugots mi oondies,foock :cantbeli:

Hmmm... Didn't know true scots wore undies... :D
im only part Scot' the rest is Canadian, so my undies are beaver skin


well if you guys really feel that strongly about all this racist stuff and putting other people down, then i will just pack my bags and be headin on out of here. see you later......



PSYCH!
*whipes way tears*
yeah, hes staying :D



"Canadians smell like bologna"
?? bologna rofl

hank
03-01-2004, 06:46 PM
What if blue gorillas make you physically aroused?

while I'm drunk or sober? BIG difference!

hank

farmgirl
03-01-2004, 09:44 PM
What if blue gorillas make you physically aroused?

while I'm drunk or sober? BIG difference!

hank rofl The gorilla's all get prettier at closing time?

[AFSOC]
03-01-2004, 11:36 PM
i agree. there's racism, and alot of country bashing going around here, and it would be great if it was gone.

HoLLa....

yea and the French bashing is juss getting GAY...soo shut it.

Sixgun Symphony
03-02-2004, 12:00 PM
Islam is a religion and not a race.

Personally I find your left-liberal "politically correct" manners to be rather vile. You Libs will not allow free and honest discussions.

This "war on terror" is an oxymoron. Terrorism is war.

The current struggle is with a resurgent Islam. Anyone that studies history and current events will know that the "religion of peace" slogan is a PC lie.



There has been a rapid rise in the amount of Racism and racist comments coming from all over and rearing its ugly head.I don't like this ,and many regular members also are sick of it.
I am asking all forum members to respect the many different cultures and religions that are present here,we are who we are,and there is not much we can do to change,but this continuing Anti Muslim rhetoric is becoming tiresome and downright offensive,there is quite frankly no need for it.

Atacking Terrorist organisations,and the fundamentalists is different,as they are using their Religions to the extremes,but not every person within that religion falls into this category.

Again it is certain individuals who are spoiling for the majority,lets keep it clean and non offensive,like it was 6 months ago!

Sixgun Symphony
03-02-2004, 12:04 PM
I'm not sure if muslim falls into "racism" category. This is like saying anti semitic is "racism"

Islam is a faith, not a race.

Argyll
03-02-2004, 12:41 PM
Racist

adj 1: based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks" 2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion [syn: antiblack, anti-Semitic, anti-Semite(a)] n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others [syn: racialist]

California Joe
03-02-2004, 02:39 PM
That definition isn't in my Pat Buchanan dictionary....

Sixgun Symphony
03-02-2004, 04:00 PM
Racist

adj 1: based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks" 2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion [syn: antiblack, anti-Semitic, anti-Semite(a)] n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others [syn: racialist]


And what dictionary did you get that from?

That definition is incorrect as religious faith is not a race. If this definition did come from a published dictionary, then it is using the parliance of people with poor language skills.

Argyll
03-02-2004, 05:36 PM
Try dictionary.com

Try this from Thesaurus .com as well

4 entries found for Racist.
Entry: bigot
Function: noun
Definition: persecutor
Synonyms: bug, crank, diehard, doctrinaire, dogmatist, enthusiast, extremist, fanatic, fideist, fiend, flag-waver, freak, jingoist, maniac, monomaniac, mule, no-neck, nut, opinionated person, partisan, persecutor, pig, puritan, racist, red-neck, relisher, sectarian, segregationist, sexist person, stickler, superpatriot, zealot
Concept: unsocial entity
Source: Roget's Interactive Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.0.0)
Copyright © 2004 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.

Entry: intolerant
Function: adjective
Definition: impatient
Synonyms: antipathetic, averse, biased, bigoted, chauvinistic, communist, conservative, contemptuous, dictatorial, disdainful, dogmatic, fanatical, fractious, hateful, illiberal, indignant, individualistic, inflexible, irate, irritable, jaundiced, narrow, narrow-minded, obdurate, one-sided, outraged, racialist, racist, red-neck, short fuse, small-minded, snappy, stuffy, stupid, tilted, uncharitable, unfair, unforbearing, unindulgent, unsympathetic, unwilling, upset, waspish, worked up
Concept: dislike
Source: Roget's Interactive Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.0.0)
Copyright © 2004 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.

Entry: radical
Function: adjective
Definition: extreme
Synonyms: abolitionist, advanced, anarchistic, communistic, complete, entire, excessive, extremist, fanatical, far out, forward, freethinking, gone, iconoclastic, immoderate, insubordinate, insurgent, insurrectionary, intransigent, lawless, leftist, liberal, militant, mutinous, nihilistic, progressive, rabid, racist, rebellious, recalcitrant, recusant, red, refractory, restive, revolutionary, riotous, seditious, severe, supremacist, sweeping, thorough, ultra, ultraist, uncompromising, unruly, violent
Concept: difference
Source: Roget's Interactive Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.0.0)
Copyright © 2004 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.

Entry: radical
Function: noun
Definition: revolutionary
Synonyms: agitator, anarchist, avant-garde, Bircher, Bolshevist, communist, crusader, extremist, fanatic, fascist, firebrand, iconoclast, individualist, insurgent, insurrectionist, left-winger, leftist, marcher, militant, misfit, mutineer, nazi, nihilist, nonconformist, objector, pacifist, pinko, progressive, racist, rebel, red, reformer, renegade, revolter, revolutionary, revolutionist, right-winger, rioter, secessionist, socialist, subversive, supremacist, traitor, ultraist
Concept: govt/political entity
Source: Roget's Interactive Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.0.0)
Copyright © 2004 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.

UkrainianAmerican
03-02-2004, 05:45 PM
Being jewish is being a member of an ethnic group (hence the physical traits) There are jews who happen to be atheists (or christian)

Andersson
03-03-2004, 07:24 AM
Islam is a faith, not a race.

So, what are you trying to say? Are you now free of all charges when descriminating muslims, since Islam is not a race?

If you don't want use the word racism, pick some other, that includes all the intolerance there is. No matter if it's about race, ***, ****** orientation, age etc.

Come on, it's not about some word.

AK-Lover
03-03-2004, 08:02 PM
Yeah I'll have to agree with sixgun, islam isn't a race.

Maine Finn
03-03-2004, 08:28 PM
*raises hand* My turn!!

I agree with you guys in terms of the country-bashing. It's probably not going to stop entirely, (that's just too much to ask) but I wouldn't mind seeing it brought to a minimum.

(Some of you first met me when I posted in the middle of America v. Finland flame war. Wonderful way to start off, wasn't it?)

I'm not true Finn, but close enough to it that I'm proud of being Finn. I'll respect others and their countries as long as they respect both of mine.

EYE SPY
03-03-2004, 08:43 PM
Racism: Clarifying a Term

Ever since the eighteenth century when race entered the vocabulary, its application has increased to such an extent that, in order to make practical and practicable sense, it needs to be broken down into specific sub-components. If not it will lose all meaning other than serving as a good-for-all epithet: thus, European civilization is "racist"; Louis Farrakhan is a "racist"; Republicans are "racist"; Zionism is "racist"; antisemitism is "racism"; affirmative action is "racist/anti-racist" (take your pick); Nazism, Fascism, colonialism, imperialism, Apartheid, Black Nationalism, White Supremacists, College Fraternities, ethno-nationalism, Right-to-Lifers, The daughters of the American Revolution, Le Pen, opponents of Israel have all at one time or another been dubbed as racist.

Do they all enjoy a common denominator called "racism"? If so, what is its definition? Or does each one embody a different kind of racism as part of their ideological make-up? Or is racism more of less central to each of these items? Or perhaps it is inappropriate as a label in some or all of these cases.

Since racism has played a prominent role in some genocides, it seems incumbent on scholars and teachers to be able to distinguish discreetly the varying types of racism that characterize people, organizations and political movements, and apply the term rationally and justly.

In general there are two categories of racism: i) racism based on physical criteria and ii) racism drawn from cultural criteria. The former is the older, dating back to the time when humans were first organized according to looks: skin color, shape of eyes, hair, size, etc.; the latter came about when racial designations began to include or emphasized exclusively cultural traits: language, religion, history, customs, and territoriality. Increasingly, aspects of both categories have been combined; "racial" groups were either identified by others or by themselves on the basis of a mix from both categories.

No matter how strictly one wished or wishes to limit the term race to its original parameters delineated by physical criteria, the concept has irrevocably broken through these restriction. Thus, by the turn of the century one spoke of the Anglo-Saxon race, the Gallic race, the Germanic race, and of the Slavic race. In the case of the last, there was even mention of Slavic races. According to the nationalistic rhetoric of World War I, the conflict was an epic collision within the same civilization of contesting races who were distinguished not by looks but by cultural values. As some would argue, it was an intra- rather than an inter-racial contest within the white race and not the white races.

So how can one sort through this terminological confusion, since humans are periodically organized according to "race", a term which increasingly seems to be a partial substitute for nation, civilization, etc.? Below are samples of 'modified' racism, that is, a list of sub-racisms identified by a modifier which indicates more precisely the kinds of racism that may more appropriately be linked to the political and social philosophies of individual persons, organizations and movements.

1. Physical (Neutral) Racism: the simple (non-value) recognition that mankind can be grouped according to general physical criteria;

2. Separatist (Social) Racism: The Theory that the races (however defined) should be kept apart (e.g. prevented from inter-marrying) to preserve their respective identities. Essentially, at least theoretically egalitarian towards all races;

3. Hierarchic (value-based) Racism: The attitude that some races are superior to others by virtue of physical, cultural and mental characteristics;

4. Biological (Ancestral) Racism: The method which ascribes racial identity by virtue of birth and ancestry.

5. Nationalistic (Political) Racism: The idea that a race is a nation and ought to have commensurate territory and statehood.

6. Mono (exclusivist) Racism: The theory and policy that advocate a uni-racial population within the borders of the state.

7. Volkish (imperial) Racism: The vision that the power of the state be used beyond the nation's borders in the interest of the (dominant) race;

8. Genocidal Racism: The practice of exterminating 'lower' races. (A radical combination of #3 and #6.) In the light of the twentieth century developments, two other categories of racism should now be recognized:

9. Cultural Racism: The tendency to distinguish "races" by one or more cultural criteria regardless of physical features. This variation, can range over the entire spectrum of attitudes outlined above, from #1 through #8, namely, from the benign, relativist view that all cultures are equal and worthy of respect and preservation, to the most radically intolerant stance, seeking the extermination of another cultural group.

Cultural Racism often equates, conceptually, cultural and physical criteria. Thus, citizenship can be denied in a mono-cultural state on the basis of not having been born into the dominant group's language circle; language fluency by acquisition is considered insufficient qualification according to this purist view. Similarly, religious conversion may not always be sufficient for absolutists, impuning that the original religious affiliation left a permanent "spiritual" mark on the convert, whose loyalty, therefore, will always remain suspect.

It is from this melange of physical and cultural racism that a third "reality" or category of racism has emerged, namely, psychological racism.

10. Psychological Racism: The school of thought which infers there are fixed, innate psychological characteristics that are the products of cultural heritage. These are inherited "attitudes" which cannot be erased by a simple act of volition and change of cultural membership. Thus, there is the "Gallic" mind, the "Oriental" view, the "Anglo-Saxon mentality" the "African" heritage, the "Russian" soul, etc.

These "mind-sets" are tantamount to biological facts, to physical features embedded in the mind. This line of thought allowed the Nazis to speak, in this case disparagingly, of "Jewish" science.

Readers may not concur with this attempt to unravel the complexity surrounding the uses of race and racism. Some may feel even more confused. If so, let others volunteer their voyages into the conceptual quicksand of racism. To sweep the problem under the rug is merely to postpone it. The uses and misuses of racial categorization will continue both in informal and in academic parlance. The sooner some clarity is shed, the better our teaching and research about genocide. Much work remains on unscrambling the turgid notion of racism in National Socialist thought and how, if at all, * it applied to the Holocaust.

Prof. Henry R. Huttenbach (CCNY)

* This aside alludes to the present debate over the primacy of antisemitism or racism in the Nazi campaign to exterminate all Jews.



http://www.chgs.umn.edu/Educational_Resources/Newsletter/The_Genocide_Forum/Yr_3/Year_3__No__4/year_3__no__4.html

Salty Dog
03-03-2004, 08:43 PM
*raises hand* My turn!!

I agree with you guys in terms of the country-bashing. It's probably not going to stop entirely, (that's just too much to ask) but I wouldn't mind seeing it brought to a minimum.

(Some of you first met me when I posted in the middle of America v. Finland flame war. Wonderful way to start off, wasn't it?)

I'm not true Finn, but close enough to it that I'm proud of being Finn. I'll respect others and their countries as long as they respect both of mine.

Ole hyvä?

quiet newbie! :P (i'm kidding)

kinghk
03-03-2004, 10:24 PM
There has been a rapid rise in the amount of Racism and racist comments coming from all over and rearing its ugly head.I don't like this ,and many regular members also are sick of it.
I am asking all forum members to respect the many different cultures and religions that are present here,we are who we are,and there is not much we can do to change,but this continuing Anti Muslim rhetoric is becoming tiresome and downright offensive,there is quite frankly no need for it.

Atacking Terrorist organisations,and the fundamentalists is different,as they are using their Religions to the extremes,but not every person within that religion falls into this category.

Again it is certain individuals who are spoiling for the majority,lets keep it clean and non offensive,like it was 6 months ago!

What about all the gay bashing?

Argyll
03-04-2004, 02:37 AM
Yeah I'll have to agree with sixgun, islam isn't a race.

either you're illiterate or stoopid,read the definition of racism from dictionary.com,then read the definitions from thesaurus for a broader context!

RACE or RELIGION!!!!

KingH..........difficult as so far I have not seen any gays getting offended,besides that has nothing to do with Racism and is nothing to do with this topic!!!