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The Count
10-04-2010, 07:40 PM
2 more from schleicher @ whq

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/9016/17761365.thdotjpg (http://img571.imageshack.us/i/17761365dotjpg/)

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Desert Hawk
10-06-2010, 12:14 PM
New pictures from the german army website...

KSK

http://www.abload.de/img/18lgkdotjpg

http://www.abload.de/img/2kl3ndotjpg

http://www.abload.de/img/36lw9dotjpg

http://www.abload.de/img/4ulbndotjpg

http://www.abload.de/img/5izlgdotjpg
Nice patch for the dog :-)

http://www.abload.de/img/69l1wdotjpg

He219
10-06-2010, 12:35 PM
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/2505/imageoriginaldotjpg
Haha, 'Hey **** face'; love it!

Zeckenteppich
10-10-2010, 09:13 AM
part two of the german KSK coverage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaHBFduwzMc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxKERbaoc6E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOZAcL9XCQY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQCD0RoYIpw

zulu261
10-10-2010, 12:27 PM
iirc the ksk overwhites are made of thin syntetic fleece only a bit thicker than these one-way paniter overalls, so they can use them only up to 3 times. But my only resource is my old VUffz never had one of the in my own hands:

You're right. The old snow camo was pain in the ass when soaking wet. The KSK one is lightweight and made of synthetic fabric. It can't store water at all. Got it issued during a "snow party". :D

tactical73
10-11-2010, 06:25 AM
nice pics ;-)

Desert Hawk
10-12-2010, 12:05 PM
Some new pics and some reposts (now a little bit more HighRes)

http://www.abload.de/img/2r5lsdotjpg

http://www.abload.de/img/545y1dotjpg

http://www.abload.de/img/64uybdotjpg

http://www.abload.de/img/1hnmxdotjpg

http://www.abload.de/img/7vu4mdotjpg

http://www.abload.de/img/93uhvdotjpg

http://www.abload.de/img/88navdotjpg

http://www.abload.de/img/10t63mdotjpg

http://www.abload.de/img/11b6ondotjpg

http://www.abload.de/img/3c6gedotjpg

http://www.abload.de/img/12658mdotjpg

http://www.abload.de/img/4v5jvdotjpg

whiskey
10-12-2010, 03:14 PM
hmm specter DR's

Steak-Sauce
10-12-2010, 04:17 PM
I wonder who's flying these Bo's. Regular pilots of the Heer? Or do we have specialized pilots flying missions with / for the KSK?

muck
10-12-2010, 04:27 PM
SOFARW (Special Operations Force Air Rotary/Wing) from Laupheim Airfield. God knows what happens to this unit when the CH-53's go to the Luftwaffe.

A3OT
10-12-2010, 04:28 PM
AFAIK those are regular pilots of the Heer...
This is at least what I was told when I had my internship at the Luftwaffe

Edit: Muck was faster! Thanks for the correction...

Zeckenteppich
10-13-2010, 07:34 AM
I wonder who's flying these Bo's. Regular pilots of the Heer? Or do we have specialized pilots flying missions with / for the KSK?

in the latest ksk documentarys the interview those pilot and they are from the usual Heeresflieger who volunteered and got a bit more training

Blackburn
10-13-2010, 07:41 AM
God knows what happens to this unit when the CH-53's go to the Luftwaffe.

this is goin to be horror! Don't even wanna think that far.
They will prolly cut down even our jump services - mostly its pain in the ass with the C-160 pilots...
Its all about 16:30 Feierabend!

theholeinthedonut
10-13-2010, 09:44 AM
hmm specter DR's

Might be an explanation why OA had them so fast to sell to us common gear whores.

Desert Hawk
11-16-2010, 09:27 AM
New photos from the german army flickr account...

KSK

http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=5180878303_37da8f4577_i9t2dotjpghttp://www.abload.de/img/5180878303_37da8f4577_i9t2dotjpg

HigRes (http://www.abload.de/img/5180878303_b164a59d6c_0934dotjpg)


http://www.abload.de/img/5180878265_bc4decebf8_izi0dotjpg

HigRes (http://www.abload.de/img/5180878265_3606143739_ryvrdotjpg)

He219
11-16-2010, 11:44 AM
Might as well add the one from yesterday ..
:]

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/636/517799968330b99b77cfbdotjpg
Hires (http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1202/5177999683_76507e4e8c_odotjpg)

Ein Trupp Kommandosoldaten macht sich in der Abenddämmerung zu einem Nachtmarsch bereit. ©Bundeswehr/PIZ Heer

deagle
11-16-2010, 04:05 PM
the only thing close to gsg9/ksk movies i remember is the deadliest warrior episode vs swat

i know SAS has the fictional Ultimate Force, are there any gsg9/ksk movies /documentaries out there ?

Paveway
11-16-2010, 11:51 PM
the only thing close to gsg9/ksk movies i remember is the deadliest warrior episode vs swat

i know SAS has the fictional Ultimate Force, are there any gsg9/ksk movies /documentaries out there ?
GSG 9 - Ihr Einsatz ist ihr Leben, its a television serial drama.

Argysh
11-17-2010, 03:11 AM
GSG 9 - Ihr Einsatz ist ihr Leben, its a television serial drama.
and it's plain bull*****. more dramatic than cobra 11..

11BravoAlpha
11-17-2010, 03:49 AM
IIRC there used to be a movie on German ARD or ZDF.
It sucked big time and of course they mixed everything up.

German TV is not especially keen on Bundeswehr topics when it comes to fiction.

Uniforms, ranks, the way soldiers talk or what they say or do - it's just way beyond reality. I'd recommend film makers chat with some conscripts before airing their biased c..p.

Dave76
11-17-2010, 04:39 AM
IIRC there used to be a movie on German ARD or ZDF.
It sucked big time and of course they mixed everything up.

Yeah, 'Das Kommando' an ARD production from 2004, featuring the GSK, Gebündelte Spezialkräfte, LOL. And yes, it sucked, but it could have been worse...

But how anybody could wish for an 'Ultimate Farce'-style series about the KSK is beyond me.

11BravoAlpha
11-17-2010, 05:03 AM
the bottom line is: random German movies will either depict Bundeswehr soldiers as the "crazies from the basement" or suffering from PTSD. It's not like: they train, deploy, redeploy, go on leave, train, deploy. Few happen to leave the wire and only a tiny percentage actually do develop a serious PTSD.

....still: most German soldiers have more like a 9-5 work experience and not so many face hardships. It's not like soldiering is overly popular in Germany and will regularly attract over-achievers.

Bundeswehr just happens to have very bad PR.

He219
11-17-2010, 02:40 PM
And another. I like where the BW is going with this series ...



http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/6500/5184911776ec24cc2f0fbdotjpg
KSK-res (http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1010/5184911776_e99dbfa96e_odotjpg)

Soldaten des Kommandos Spezialkräfte sichern die Hubschrauberlandezone.
© Bundeswehr/PIZ Heer.

German Army
11-17-2010, 02:49 PM
Blue pistol grip, is it a mock?

Olf
11-17-2010, 03:17 PM
it´s simunition

zulu261
11-17-2010, 03:55 PM
Also note the blue dot on the cocking handle of the bolt.

aquamarine citrine sky
11-23-2010, 12:11 PM
the only thing close to gsg9/ksk movies i remember is the deadliest warrior episode vs swat

i know SAS has the fictional Ultimate Force, are there any gsg9/ksk movies /documentaries out there ?

I would love to know too. is there any coverage about gsg 9? I read on google , every article is the same. Is anyone know where i can get gsg 9 poster?

Olf
11-23-2010, 12:18 PM
nice first one, and welcome to the world of hate.

muck
11-23-2010, 01:39 PM
Lol... Less infantile fanboysm and more pictures, please.

The Count
11-29-2010, 03:15 PM
found these. not sure what unit, but seems to be SF:

http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/7953/53156336.thdotjpg (http://img573.imageshack.us/i/53156336dotjpg/)

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radtkalon
11-29-2010, 04:24 PM
Okay...Multicam, funny looking helmets...that's interesting!

Thx for sharing

Olf
11-30-2010, 09:49 AM
http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/7953/53156336.thdotjpg (http://img573.imageshack.us/i/53156336dotjpg/)

Is that a P-Mag?

Zeckenteppich
11-30-2010, 10:03 AM
it looks like it.

marko16
11-30-2010, 10:47 AM
I don't think it is. Either way they could be using the AR magwell. While it could be available to them, the PMAG for the G36 is not out yet. I didn't think it had such ****ounced ribs on the side as in the picture. It could be a PMAG in an AR magwell however.

riko71
01-10-2011, 02:21 PM
Okay...Multicam, funny looking helmets...that's interesting!

Thx for sharing

It's new Crye Precison AIRFRAME Helmet

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5900/cryeairframe420x412dotjpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/i/cryeairframe420x412dotjpg/)

Yosy
01-10-2011, 04:23 PM
the bottom line is: random German movies will either depict Bundeswehr soldiers as the "crazies from the basement" or suffering from PTSD. It's not like: they train, deploy, redeploy, go on leave, train, deploy. Few happen to leave the wire and only a tiny percentage actually do develop a serious PTSD.

....still: most German soldiers have more like a 9-5 work experience and not so many face hardships. It's not like soldiering is overly popular in Germany and will regularly attract over-achievers.

Bundeswehr just happens to have very bad PR.

Strange...

Why is that? (specially coming from a country with conscription, I would think they would have a more realistic apporach when portraying the armed forces in movies or TV)

Btw, we get the Cobra tv show around here and its awsome. Mercedes, BMWs, Audis, autobahns, explosions, shotings, more explosions... what more can a guy ask for? :p

Speckwolf
01-10-2011, 05:44 PM
Strange...

Btw, we get the Cobra tv show around here and its awsome. Mercedes, BMWs, Audis, autobahns, explosions, shotings, more explosions... what more can a guy ask for? :p

That's not a "show", it's a documentary depicting what everyday life looks like here ;-).

Seek
01-11-2011, 07:02 AM
That's not a "show", it's a documentary depicting what everyday life looks like here ;-).
x2

watching the entire first season before dodging explosions and flipping Ford Escorts for two hours driving on the autobanhn under supervision of a GSG9 operator is mandatory before you are allowed to take the test for a driving licence over here...

muck
01-11-2011, 09:42 AM
Strange...

Why is that? (specially coming from a country with conscription, I would think they would have a more realistic apporach when portraying the armed forces in movies or TV)We've always been taught that soldiering is "just another job" and defending the homeland a necessary but painful task. Real soldiering is obscure to the society and the men and women who feel like it are seen as weirdos. Sadly enough our society even anticipates troops to develop PTSD and whatnot, because to judge from the general consensus (at best!) our troops are driven to kill and somebody who didn't want to kill would have to become sick of it.
That's why conventional war movies would never stand a chance in Germany. The last movie to deal with the troops abroad was about a fictive war crime during a fictive Kongo deployment just in the spirit of the famous "Tatort" TV crime series that attracts millions of viewers each and every Sunday.

kato2k6
01-11-2011, 01:15 PM
That's why conventional war movies would never stand a chance in Germany.
German-made war movies anyway (not that the genre really exists - there's a movie only every 3-4 years). US war movies generally pull pretty large audiences in Germany.

For the most part the genre suffers from incredibly bad actors and incredibly bad scripts in Germany.

tluassa
01-11-2011, 01:51 PM
It's new Crye Precison AIRFRAME Helmet

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5900/cryeairframe420x412dotjpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/i/cryeairframe420x412dotjpg/)

Paint it black and put a spike on top and it might look good ^^

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/7721/pickelhaube400x377dotjpg

Mormaeglin
01-11-2011, 01:57 PM
... and then sing loudly and proudly "Preußens Gloria" :) In my opinion it is one of greatest German military marches ever and my personal favourite ;)

Hildemel
01-11-2011, 02:06 PM
Identify yourself as Prussian as well?

Mormaeglin
01-11-2011, 02:16 PM
By all means :) and I suppose that some people may find that page interesting : http://home.alphalink.com.au/~wolf/prussia/ ;)

wiking
01-12-2011, 12:21 PM
That's why conventional war movies would never stand a chance in Germany. The last movie to deal with the troops abroad was about a fictive war crime during a fictive Kongo deployment just in the spirit of the famous "Tatort" TV crime series that attracts millions of viewers each and every Sunday.

And the ones that become big, or atleast are good, have a strong anti-war undertone; Das boot, Stalingrad, Napola.

tluassa
01-12-2011, 01:57 PM
The Napola handgrenade scene is hardcore ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDwlwXb_wWE&feature=related

PS. To not distract this thread in any way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwXV-vJzbEk

seventy6er
01-26-2011, 02:06 PM
hi guys,

user Lucied (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?50227-Lucied)contacted me via PM. he got some questions about Fernspäher. maybe we can help him out:


How about modern Fernspaher nowadays? From my literature it looks like their roles & tasks are replaced by Fallschirmspezialzug now....and the former Fernspaher now is integrated parts of KSK. Is it right? And what's the different between Fernspaher & Fernspahlerkompanie? And how many personels in one fireteam? Are they modeled after 4 man patrol like SAS or they get more numbers? And what's the common rank needed to led the fireteam? Sorry for many questions....most trusted literatures are in germans & I cant speak germans...so its difficult for me to understand the article. Danke!

muck
01-26-2011, 02:26 PM
Let me google that for you...

Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernsp%C3%A4hlehrkompanie_200)


The Fernspählehrkompanie 200 or short FSLK200 (roughly translated: Special Surveillance and Reconnaissance Learning Company 200) is a highly specialized unit of the German Army. Fernspäher is an aged and venerable term for elite reconnaissance troopers, relating to German fern (in this context over long distances) and Späher (scout). Thus, Fernspäher are reconnaissance soldiers who cover great distances to gather intelligence and fulfill their mission.

When the Special Forces Command was activated in 1996, many of the ranks were filled with personnel from Fernspähkompanie 100 and Fernspähkompanie 300 which disbanded at last.

The -lehr within Fernspäh-lehr-kompanie 200 designates a very special task of this unit: It is the Lehrtruppenteil (roughly translated: Training and demonstration unit) for the German special forces, and as such the company does training for other troops as well as field evaluation and demonstration of new tactics and equipment. It still has a clearly offensive role though, which attracted further interest again after the September 11, 2001 attacks and the following operations against international terrorism.

Fernspählehrkompanie 200 answers directly to the Special Operations Division (Division Spezielle Operationen) of the German Army and is also a part of the recently created Army Reconnaissance Troops (Heeresaufklärungstruppe). Prior to 2007, the Fernspähtruppe was an independent formation within the German Army. Their beret insignia displayed an eagle (as the common symbol of all airborne troops of the German Army) with a set of lightning bolts in its claws, dropping down in front of crossed lances (which are the traditional insignia of German cavalry forces).

The FSLK 200 consists of four SR-platoons, an additional special applications SR-platoon (covering the technical aspects of intelligence gathering as well as analysis of gathered data), a special applications maintenance group, a special applications support group, two specialized medical squads and a specialized military intelligence platoon. The overall-strength amounts to more than 220 troops.

* Fernspählehrkompanie 200
o Kompanieführung (Company headquarters)
o 1. Fernspähzug (1st SR platoon)
o 2. Fernspähzug (2nd SR platoon)
o 3. Fernspähzug (3rd SR platoon)
o 4. Fernspähzug (4th SR platoon)
o Fernspähspezialzug (Special applications SR platoon)
o Feldnachrichtenzug (Military intelligence platoon)
o Versorgungsgruppe Fernspäh (Special applications support group)
o Instandsetzungsgruppe Fernspäh (Special applications maintenance group)
o 2x Sanitätstrupp Fernspäh (Specialized medical squad)
Sounds legit from my bird eye view...

Lucied
01-26-2011, 03:06 PM
Wew this good thread goes under my radar. Thanx 76er & Muck. I appreciate ur help.

_Fisher_
02-06-2011, 10:26 AM
http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/7953/53156336.thdotjpg (http://img573.imageshack.us/i/53156336dotjpg/)

Is that a P-Mag?
i think that it could be a thermold magazine, that has ****unced ribs

thermold mag
http://www.thermoldmagazines.com/images/m16dotjpg

p-mag
http://www.bowerstactical.com/store/images/MAG210dotjpg

Olf
02-06-2011, 10:59 AM
nope its a Pmag 1 look at the botom plate 2 the ribs aren´t ****unces enought

marek
02-11-2011, 04:29 AM
SEKM Soldaten

http://img602.imageshack.us/img602/7086/5431051674245f333f75bsmdotjpg
hi-res (http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/3775/5431051674245f333f75bdotjpg)

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/5442/5431051654728a55054cbsmdotjpg
hi-res (http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/5610/5431051654728a55054cbdotjpg)

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/1253/54310516384431b32666bsmdotjpg
hi-res (http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3369/54310516384431b32666bdotjpg)

_Fisher_
02-11-2011, 05:14 AM
nope its a Pmag 1 look at the botom plate 2 the ribs aren´t ****unces enought
you're right...look's like a pmag also because the ribs have an interruption for a *****e in the middle of the side

DaXXter
02-11-2011, 05:30 AM
It's Magpuls new G-36 PMAG, called the PMAG 30G Maglevel (as you can see in their new catalogue http://www.magpul.com/assets/files/Catalog2011/2011MagpulCatalog01MagsandMagAccess.pdf)

Goodbert
02-13-2011, 10:24 AM
149906


G36 Magwell for standard US mag ... so its not a G it is a Pmag

http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/AR15-M16-SL8-G36-Mag-Well-Adapter-13p800.htm

The Count
03-12-2011, 04:17 PM
another one: taken from whq.de (again)
http://h-6.abload.de/img/hpg01a7jkdotjpg

The Count
03-16-2011, 08:20 AM
Found this on PWS´s facebook page:

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/190567_10150418917750456_137124470455_17663021_5541457_ndotjpg

11BravoAlpha
03-16-2011, 08:40 AM
Nice! Crye at it's best. Appears to me that he attached his Suunto watch to an issue leather wrist/watchband.

razorback 7.62x51
07-14-2011, 01:13 AM
kool hi-res pics

TaskForce47
08-10-2011, 01:11 PM
Photos of german Kampfschwimmer from Milpictures, look at the HK416s(maybe just a requisite but Tom Weber says its all original Bundeswehr Stuff)
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fourleave
08-10-2011, 02:48 PM
the guys in the 8th picture are armed with HK417.
any info on that?

capitan r8
08-10-2011, 03:15 PM
are those Pro-tec helmets?

muck
08-10-2011, 03:29 PM
the guys in the 8th picture are armed with HK417.
any info on that?What information would you possibly need? HK's M4 variations have been around with Germany's special forces for quite a while now.

fourleave
08-11-2011, 04:28 AM
What information would you possibly need? HK's M4 variations have been around with Germany's special forces for quite a while now.

since when is it in service?
what is the internal Bundeswehr designation?
is the HK417 the G27?
is it a DMR or just a standard 7,62 assault rifle?
wich units are using the rifle,
and is the HK416 also in use?

maybe you have a link to the answer.
thank you in advance!

Steak-Sauce
08-11-2011, 05:02 AM
The underwater shot of the silenced MP7 is pretty cool, thanks.

muck
08-11-2011, 05:12 AM
since when is it in service?Can't be that long, given the birth date of this weapon system.

what is the internal Bundeswehr designation?
is the HK417 the G27?Mostly they run as the G27 indeed, but I hear they're being fielded under more than one designation. This is due to the experimental character of use and due to other platforms having been considered as well (Swiss Arms M556, 516 and Schmeisser's M4 to the most part). As far as I know, the project name is Unterstützungswaffe, kurze Reichweite für Feldjäger/KSK ("support fire weapon, short range for military police/ special forces").

is it a DMR or just a standard 7,62 assault rifle?It's not been developed as a true DMR.

wich units are using the rifle,Special Forces (Spezialkräfte), maybe nowadays also Special Operations Capable (Spezialisierte Kräfte).

and is the HK416 also in use?Some are around, yes.

maybe you have a link to the answer.I know only the talk that's been around at the Infantry School.
I'm not with SF though and have never been, so take this for what it's worth.

Someone else might be able to provide better insight.

persep
08-11-2011, 05:13 AM
New photos from the german army flickr account...



Can you give the link?, thanks

muck
08-11-2011, 05:17 AM
The official German Bundeswehr Flickr account can be found here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/augustinfotos/). Pretty boring stuff to the most part.

Stukka 44
08-11-2011, 05:34 AM
are those Pro-tec helmets?

Some are wearing Pro-tec helmets but there are others who are wearing FAST carbon helmets made by a company called Ops-Core. See link below.
http://www.ops-core.com/index.cfm

fourleave
08-11-2011, 07:40 AM
@ muck: thank you very much

Darboy
08-11-2011, 01:23 PM
what is the handheld weapon that the diver in the last picture is holding?

Greek soldier
08-11-2011, 01:52 PM
It's the Heckler & Koch P11

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/de/hk-p11-underwater-e.html

Steak-Sauce
08-11-2011, 01:53 PM
I'd say it's a HK P11: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_P11

TaskForce47
08-11-2011, 03:03 PM
Does anyone have more pics of german Soldiers equipped with HK417/416 P11 or other rare weapon systems?

variable
08-11-2011, 04:51 PM
As of yet there has no 416 or 417 been sighted in German hands.

trasher
08-13-2011, 04:15 PM
The HK417 and the HK MR.308 was tested by the DSO (Division Speziale Operative - the German SOCOM) and also both weapons were in selection procedure "New DMR of German Army" (By the way, the MR.308 are fare better than the 417).
Maybe both weapons are in service by KSK or by Kampfschwimmer (Combat Divers - German Navy SEALs)...

TaskForce47
08-14-2011, 09:21 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0JyUi1-fyI&feature=player_embedded

Milpictures
This video is the world´s first which shows the P11 firing under water. The Heckler & Koch P11 is an arcaine pistol designed as an underwater firearm. Since ordinary-shaped rounds are inaccurate and have a very short range when used underwater, this pistol fires steel darts about 10 centimetres (3.9 in) long. It has five barrels, each of which is loaded with a cartridge.

nep7une
08-14-2011, 09:55 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0JyUi1-fyI&feature=player_embedded

Milpictures
This video is the world´s first which shows the P11 firing under water. The Heckler & Koch P11 is an arcaine pistol designed as an underwater firearm. Since ordinary-shaped rounds are inaccurate and have a very short range when used underwater, this pistol fires steel darts about 10 centimetres (3.9 in) long. It has five barrels, each of which is loaded with a cartridge.

Interesting, but can these little steel darts break the surface of water and hit the targets that aren't underwater?

trasher
08-14-2011, 10:05 AM
For sure, they can!

SR25
08-14-2011, 10:05 AM
Interesting, but can these little steel darts break the surface of water and hit the targets that aren't underwater?

According to this http://www.hkpro.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31:the-p11-underwater-pistol apparently so

muck
08-15-2011, 03:37 AM
Maybe both weapons are in service by KSK or by Kampfschwimmer (Combat Divers - German Navy SEALs)...This is a funny thing to say, seeing the pictures of a HK417 in service as of current. I'll requote (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?72275-Germany-s-Elite-Soldiers&p=5805472&viewfull=1#post5805472) myself......and add: the MR308 and the HK417 a.k.a. G27 are two different kettles of fish. The MR308 is going to debut as the Bundeswehr's new standard designated marksman rifle in September whereas the G27's were bought "just to have them" and entered the competition for a new intermediate-range support assault rifle system only afterwards.

HK417 = G27, in service
MR308 = DMR762, entering service in 2011

TheKorean
08-15-2011, 03:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0JyUi1-fyI&feature=player_embedded

Milpictures
This video is the world´s first which shows the P11 firing under water. The Heckler & Koch P11 is an arcaine pistol designed as an underwater firearm. Since ordinary-shaped rounds are inaccurate and have a very short range when used underwater, this pistol fires steel darts about 10 centimetres (3.9 in) long. It has five barrels, each of which is loaded with a cartridge.I want to see how hard that bullet can hit.

variable
11-22-2011, 03:28 PM
Have we had those already?

http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/zougcofo/image_popupdotjpg

http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/fdhf6vpf/image_popupdotjpg

Thanks to "father christmas" of whq-forum.de.

Steak-Sauce
11-24-2011, 08:21 AM
Nice pics, variable. Keep it up!

Don't know if this is a repost, but found the picture in the G-Wagon thread:

http://www.abload.de/img/attachmentiju9sdotjpg

Looks like Kreissparkassen squirrels and their rides.

variable
11-24-2011, 09:59 AM
Nice pic!

Looks like they tricked out their SERVALs even more than they already are.

What is the round thingy on top of the front bumper cage? And what's under the sheet on the hood and in the box next to the driver? Ammo?

Schuultz
11-24-2011, 06:48 PM
great pics. i didn't even know this thread existed.

cdr marcinko
11-25-2011, 04:59 PM
Have we had those already?

http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/zougcofo/image_popupdotjpg

http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/fdhf6vpf/image_popupdotjpg

Thanks to "father christmas" of whq-forum.de.

Are those KSK ?

hybrid-soldier
11-26-2011, 09:55 AM
Nice pic!

Looks like they tricked out their SERVALs even more than they already are.

What is the round thingy on top of the front bumper cage? And what's under the sheet on the hood and in the box next to the driver? Ammo? gps antenna-ammobox 50 cal

Rhein
11-27-2011, 07:05 PM
And what's under the sheet on the hood
different tools, shovel, etc.

Kandak
11-29-2011, 03:42 AM
@nep7une
There are two different barrel units (one for underwater purpose and one for operations on shore).

HaKa
12-17-2011, 02:40 PM
Are those KSK ?

Yes, they are. Those photos belong to an article in Y-Punkt (http://www.y-punkt.de/portal/a/ypunkt/%21ut/p/c4/LYvBCsIwEAX_KNvgpXhTbMWLvan1ImmzlqVpEtaNRfDjTcA3MJfhwR0y3rxpMkLBGwc36EfaDqsaVouPT0x-FmVmSeicegkjycwGn4JwLWeLagwepVjQC2VPbCSwioHFlZKYc1Fkoa_0Ya83uvpPf-u2OV6aWuvTue0gLsvuB7_6O2Y%21/) (Official magazine of the German Army) about a new air force unit especially trained in the work of supporting special forces soldiers. So they're comparable to the US american 160th SOAR.

cdr marcinko
12-18-2011, 01:50 PM
Thanks for the link

Al' Swaffel
01-19-2012, 01:03 PM
Not sure if Repost:

http://www.abload.de/thumb/fslk-jun-2011-astan-15j1uv.jpg (http://www.abload.de/img/fslk-jun-2011-astan-15j1uv.jpg)
http://www.abload.de/thumb/fslk-jun-2011-astan-2cv4vu.jpg (http://www.abload.de/img/fslk-jun-2011-astan-2cv4vu.jpg)

Germayn Recce-Troops

Ravage
01-19-2012, 04:02 PM
Are German Army Recon units considered SOF, or is it only reserved for KSK and Combat Divers?

muck
01-19-2012, 04:07 PM
KSK and KSM are listed as Spezialkräfte or special forces and a couple of other units such as the one in question here, Fernspählehrkompanie 200, are listed as Spezialisierte Kräfte or special operations capable in international terms.

baker
02-07-2012, 07:31 AM
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[quote]Soldaten des KSK – gemeinsam stark

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Schulter an Schulter: Heeresflieger und Kommandosoldat


Calw, 03.02.2012.
Die Soldaten des Kommandos Spezialkräfte (KSK) bereiten sich auf den Einsatz in Afghanistan vor. Sie trainieren auch die Zusammenarbeit mit Heeresfliegern und einheimischen Sicherheitskräften. Die Ausbildungslage hat es in sich: Vom Abschuss eines Hubschraubers bis zum Hinterhalt auf die Marschkolonne müssen sie alle realistische Szenarien meistern.


Der Mittlere Transporthubschrauber startet. Die Rotorblätter wirbeln mächtig den Staub auf. An Bord: Soldaten des KSK und einheimische Sicherungskräfte der Partnereinheit. Ein Sicherungshubschrauber kreist am Himmel, auf seinen Kufen stehen weitere Kommandosoldaten und überwachen die Operation. Dann passiert es – Aufständische schießen aus ihrem Versteck auf den Transporthubschrauber. Der kassiert einen Treffer, muss notlanden.


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Lagemeldung: „Wir liegen unter Feuer!“


Eingekesselt


Die Soldaten und die Einheimischen weichen in den nahegelegenen Wald aus, vom Feind beschossen. Sie schleifen zwei Verwundete mit sich, erwidern entschlossen das Feuer. Die Kommandosoldaten versorgen in der Deckung die simulierten Verwundungen und legen reale Infusionen mit Kochsalzlösung. Ein Sanitätsspezialist mit Ausbildung zum Rettungsassistenten ist Teil jedes Trupps. Die Crew des Helis hat Stellung entlang eines Erdwalls bezogen und gibt Deckungsfeuer.


Die Verwundeten sind stabil, jetzt ist die Lageinformation das Wichtigste. Der Fernmeldespezialist des Trupps baut in Windeseile die schwarze Klappantenne auf. Das Funkgerät hat er in seinem Rucksack. Er gibt die Information über das Geschehene, die Anzahl der Verwundeten und deren Verletzungen weiter. Die Antwort kommt prompt: In 90 Minuten ist Verstärkung da, die wird alle „raushauen“.


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Deckungsfeuer mit dem Maschinengewehr


Gefährlicher Hinterhalt


nzwischen ist die Verstärkung auf dem Weg. Sie besteht aus weiteren Kommandotrupps und Fallschirmjägern. Der Konvoi bahnt sich langsam seinen Weg durch eine Ortschaft. Alles ist ruhig, nichts Außergewöhnliches. Eine mächtige Detonation lässt alle zusammenzucken. Die Aufständischen haben eine Sprengfalle per Fernzündung zur Explosion gebracht. Einen Transportpanzer Fuchs hat es erwischt, Totalschaden, zwei Verwundete.


Aus dem Hinterhalt eröffnen die Aufständischen mit Gewehren und Panzerfäusten das Feuer. Jetzt muss alles schnell gehen. Ein Teil kümmert sich um die Besatzung des getroffenen Fuchses, der andere Teil beginnt mit dem Gegenangriff. Maschinengewehre ballern ihre Salven den Aufständischen entgegen, die Kommandosoldaten springen ab und greifen die in Häusern versteckten Feinde an.


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Immer noch in Gefahr


Gerettet


Der Spuk ist so schnell vorbei wie er begann, doch noch sind die eingekesselten Soldaten und einheimischen Polizisten nicht außer Gefahr. Über Funk bespricht der Truppführer die Abholung mit den Verstärkungskräften. Während ein Teil des Konvois die Ortsdurchfahrt sichert, holt der Rest die abgeschnittenen Männer direkt an Ihrem Versteck ab. Gemeinsam geht es dann auf dem Landweg zurück zur Basis. Erleichterung nach dem Eintreffen, alle Soldaten sind in Sicherheit.


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Schiedsrichter in roter Weste sind aufmerksam


Realistische Einsatzszenarien


Ein Szenario wie es in den Einsätzen immer wieder vorkommt. Darauf bereiten sich die Soldaten aus Calw gemeinsam mit ihren Unterstützungskräften gründlich vor. Die Ausbildung wird von Schiedsrichter begleitet – alles erfahrene Kommandosoldaten. Jeder Übungstag endet mit einer Besprechung und Auswertung der Operation. Gemachte Fehler sollen sich im Einsatz nicht wiederholen.


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Den Helikopter hat es erwischt


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Die KSK-Soldaten nehmen den Kampf auf


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Gute Ausbildung rettet Leben


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Die Feinddarsteller tragen Gesichtsschutz


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Schwer bewaffnet


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Die Operation war erfolgreich


Quelle: http://www.deutschesheer.de/portal/a/heer/...2HL-rzvbs!/ (http://www.deutschesheer.de/portal/a/heer/!ut/p/c4/NYzNDoIwEITfaLeQEH9uIhfjjYvibSkrrZaWbBa9-PAWE2eSySTfZPCG2ZFefiT1KVLAK3bW7_s3OGYBeurCIUAk68RbpxzhQU5KU5Rw514W-nW8rEcDg02Rdc28VJ9zFNIkMCfRsJJFJBPwA3amaGpTmb-Kz7atmvNxt6maU93iPE2HL-rzvbs!/)

madmike
02-07-2012, 09:37 AM
Hello, I need some help from German forum members. I'm looking for some info and can't find it in the internet. I wander when exactly Bundeswehra has quit to enlist conscripted soldiers to their SOF units (I mean when the conscripted soldier could serve his national service in the SOF unit)? If I'm not mistaken it was when KSK was created; I found the info that conscripted soldiers can join the KSK, but they will became pro's if they pass the selection and start the training. But what about the Fernspäher Companies? Were they all pro's or were there concripted soldiers? And what about the one existing Fernspäher unit - FSLK200?
Can anyone clear me up?

Big Mo
02-07-2012, 10:07 AM
Hello, I need some help from German forum members. I'm looking for some info and can't find it in the internet. I wander when exactly Bundeswehra has quit to enlist conscripted soldiers to their SOF units (I mean when the conscripted soldier could serve his national service in the SOF unit)? If I'm not mistaken it was when KSK was created; I found the info that conscripted soldiers can join the KSK, but they will became pro's if they pass the selection and start the training. But what about the Fernspäher Companies? Were they all pro's or were there concripted soldiers? And what about the one existing Fernspäher unit - FSLK200?
Can anyone clear me up?

as far as i know (please correct me if i'm wrong) before KSK you could join the FSK compaies (there were 3) when the service was about 2 years....mostly because of the training with HALO and so. and you have to be a "zeitsoldat" (can't get the english word rightnow). back in these days the G3 was still fielded....

had a look at this wiki pic:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/timeline/a8d2fa88f945934a668fdd2b3209397e.png

till 1990 it was possible...

ende
02-07-2012, 11:16 AM
Anyone have any any photos of fernspäh 200? Ik know its a very small unit that is not often heard about . . .

ls23
02-07-2012, 12:07 PM
Anyone have any any photos of fernspäh 200? Ik know its a very small unit that is not often heard about . . .

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baker
02-07-2012, 12:43 PM
„KSK-Soldat auf vier Pfoten“


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Rex startet durch


Calw, 06.02.2012.
Das Kommando Spezialkräfte (KSK) in Calw ist ein Verbund von Spezialisten aller Art. Fachleute für das Fallschirmspringen kooperieren effektiv mit Gebirgsspezialisten, Scharfschützen mit Rettungssanitätern. Ein weiteres Beispiel sind die Hundeführer des KSK. Mensch und Tier bilden hier eine Einheit und sind besonders gut ausgebildet – aber auch dieses Team muss ständig trainieren.


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Verfolgungsjagd


Ein blauer Kleintransporter rast über eine Landstraße. Zwei Verbindungshubschrauber vom Typ BO 105 und ein leichter Transporthubschrauber Bell UH 1D haben die Verfolgung aufgenommen. Der Plan der Heeresflieger ist es, den Transporter anzuhalten. Die beiden BO 105 fliegen über das Fahrzeug, bremsen ab und schweben in Augenhöhe vor dem Transporter. Das imposante Bild nötigt den Fahrer fast automatisch zu einer Vollbremsung. Die BO’s sichern, während die Bell hinter dem Transporter landet. Jetzt würden die Soldaten vom KSK aussteigen und die Personen im Fahrzeug zur Überprüfung festsetzen, doch heute üben die Heeresflieger dieses Verfahren für sich allein. Als Trainingsvorbereitung für anstehende Operationen.


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Die gehören zusammen


Ein Mann, ein Hund, ein Team


Ein KSK-Hundeteam hat sich jedoch zur Ausbildung dazugesellt. Fränki und Rex heißen sie. Fränki ist Hauptfeldwebel und Kommandosoldat, Rex ein deutsch-belgischer Schäferhundmischling, sozusagen ein „KSK-Soldat auf vier Pfoten“. „Wir trainieren heute den Umgang mit Hubschraubern“, sagt Fränki. Für Rex eine Wiederholungsübung, schließlich ist er bereits sechs Jahre alt und somit als fertig ausgebildeter und erfahrener Diensthund einzustufen. Dennoch sei eine stetige Wiederholung dieser Ausbildung notwendig, so Fränki. Die Gerüche, Geräusche, der Wind, das Fliegen – alles ein ständiges in Übung halten. Rex ist als Angehöriger des KSK besonders gut ausgebildet. Er ist als Personenzugriffshund und gleichzeitig als Sprengstoffspürhund einsetzbar, eine Besonderheit bei den Diensthunden der Bundeswehr.


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Im Visier


Fränki lebt seinen Traum


„Rex verhält sich meinen Kameraden gegenüber sehr sozial“, berichtet Fränki. So könne ihn jeder streicheln, auch ohne Maulkorb. „Er vertraut den Männern und umgekehrt. Nur so wird ein ‚Schuh’ im Einsatz draus“, so der Kommandosoldat. Zweimal waren die beiden schon in Afghanistan und der nächste Einsatz steht bevor. Fränki ist Berufssoldat und 35 Jahre alt. 1996 trat er in die Bundeswehr ein, zunächst bei den Fallschirmjägern. Im Jahr 2000 absolvierte er erfolgreich das Einstellungsverfahren als Kommandosoldat. Eine der härtesten Prüfungen, die es in der Bundeswehr gibt. „Mein Wunsch war es, zu den Besten der Besten zu gehören“, begründet Fränki seinen Entschluss, sich dieser Herausforderung zu stellen. Diesen Wunsch lebt er nun mittlerweile seit elf Jahren. Dennoch sagt Fränki habe er vor allen Soldaten großen Respekt, vor allen vor den Unterstützern des KSK. „Die haben ihre Fachaufgabe voll im Griff, können Dinge von denen ich keine Ahnung habe. Jeder ist halt an seinem Platz der dafür ausgebildete Mann oder Frau.“


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Nur was für Schwindelfreie


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Für heute ist Feierabend


Source: http://www.deutschesheer.de/portal/a/heer/...P-Czc3fUw!/ (http://www.deutschesheer.de/portal/a/heer/!ut/p/c4/NYzBDoIwEET_aLdgTMCbhIseOah4W8pqq6Ulm0UvfrzFxJlkMsmbDF4xO9LL30l9ihTwgr31u-ENjlmAnrpwCBDJOvHWKUd4kJPSFCXceJCFfh3P69HIYFNkXTMv1ee8C2kSmJNoWMkikgn4EXtTtI3Zmr-KT9VV9elYb8r20HQ4T9P-Czc3fUw!/)

baker
02-07-2012, 12:44 PM
KSK-Übung: Gemeinsame Operation


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Im Morgengrauen beginnt die Durchsuchung


Calw, 07.02.2012.
Das Ziel in Afghanistan ist, dass die einheimischen Kräfte irgendwann selber für Sicherheit in ihrem Land sorgen können. Die NATO bildet die afghanischen Soldaten deshalb aus, führt mit ihnen gemeinsam Operationen durch. Auch die Soldaten des Kommandos Spezialkräfte (KSK) kämpfen im Einsatz zusammen mit afghanischen Soldaten. In der Heimat bereiten sie sich auf diese gemeinsamen Operationen akribisch vor.


Tagesanbruch. Bäume schälen sich schemenhaft aus der Dunkelheit. Vögel beginnen ihr Morgenkonzert, orientalische Musik mischt sich darunter. Sie kommt aus einem Lager der einheimischen Bevölkerung. Dort stehen Männer an einer Feuertonne, wärmen sich. Ein Fahrrad lehnt mit platten Reifen achtlos an einen Baum. Verschleierte Frauen passieren den Hofplatz. Draußen, außerhalb der Mauer huschen leise gut getarnte Gestalten durch den Wald. Kein Knacken der Äste, kein Klappern der Ausrüstung ist zu hören.


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KSK-Soldaten während der Operation


Soldaten des Kommandos Spezialkräfte (KSK) sind unterwegs, unentdeckt und leise. An ihrer Seite: einheimische Sicherheitskräfte, dargestellt von Fallschirmjägern mit fremden Uniformen. Sie haben den Auftrag erhalten nach Aufständischen zu suchen, die sich in diesem Gebiet verstecken sollen. Jäh zerreist eine Detonation die Stille. Die Soldaten haben einen Irritationskörper, eine sogenannte „Flashbang“, geworfen. Der Blitz und der Knall verschafft ihnen das Überraschungsmoment. Die Männer an den Feuertonnen und die verschleierten Frauen flüchten in ein Gebäude. Die Kommandosoldaten und die einheimischen Sicherheitskräften stürmen schnell und entschlossen den Innenhof. Es gibt keine Gegenwehr und die Lage ist unter Kontrolle.


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Soldaten des KSK und Sicherheitskräfte (re) arbeiten Hand in Hand


Gefährliche Situation


„Dorfältester, kommen Sie raus“, erschallt es durch das Megafon des Übersetzers. Da ist er auch schon, mit weißem Kaftan und Bart. „Bitte nicht schießen, wir habe auch Frauen dabei“, appelliert der alte Mann, ein Darsteller aus den Unterstützungskräften des KSK. „Sag’ ihm, er soll die Männer einzeln aus dem Gebäude schicken“, weist der Truppführer den Übersetzer an. Nach und nach kommen die Männer aus dem Gebäude. Die einheimischen Sicherheitskräfte übernehmen sie, alle werden zunächst in gebührendem Abstand an die Grenzmauern der Siedlung platziert. Die Situation ist sehr gefährlich. Vor der Durchsuchung besteht die Gefahr, dass Aufständische mit Waffen oder Sprengstoff unter der Bevölkerung sein könnten.


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Der Chef (re) plant den Einsatz


Die einheimischen Sicherheitskräfte sollen lernen


„In dieser Operation kommt es darauf an, Personen zu überprüfen, Verdächtige festzusetzen und gerichtsverwertbares Beweismaterial zu sichern“, erklärt der Chef der Einsatzkompanie. Die Operation ist komplex und schwierig, alle beteiligten Kräfte müssen sich aufeinander abstimmen. „Meine Männer arbeiten mit den einheimischen Sicherheitskräften zusammen. Da gilt es, die Sprachbarriere mittels Übersetzer zu überwinden. Auch an die kulturellen Unterschiede müssen sich meine Männer anpassen, schließlich sollen die Sicherheitskräfte von uns lernen, um irgendwann diese Aufgaben allein zu machen“, sagt der Kompaniechef, Major Chris (37).


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Die Mission war erfolgreich


Einsatzbereit - jederzeit - weltweit


Der Oberst der einheimischen Sicherheitskräfte hat seine Männer angewiesen, die festgesetzten Personen zu bewachen. Der Truppführer gibt mit Hilfe des Übersetzers Anweisungen zur weiteren Vorgehensweise. „Hemd hoch. Kaftan hoch“, ruft der Übersetzer. Die Durchsuchung der Personen hat begonnen. Nach und nach wird jeder abgetastet. Die verschleierten Frauen verlassen als letzte das Gebäude. Soldatinnen der Unterstützungskräfte des KSK übernehmen sie zur Durchsuchung. Handys, elektronische Geräte behalten sie ein, der Rest wandert in eine Plastiktüte, die verbleibt bei der Person. Die Kräfte durchsuchen die Gebäude nach Waffen und Sprengstoff. Die KSK-Soldaten unterstützen die einheimischen Sicherheitskräfte bei der Beweissicherung. Sie machen Fotos von festgesetzten Personen und verdächtigen Gegenständen, protokollieren die Geschehnisse. Die Unterlagen werden später die Grundlage für weitere Ermittlungen sein. Die Operation an diesem Objekt nähert sich dem Ende. Aus der Ferne erschallt Gewehrfeuer. Weitere Soldaten des KSK kontrollieren nahegelegenen Siedlungen, treffen dort auch auf versteckte Aufständische. Am Ende zeigt sich der Kompaniechef mit dem Verlauf der Operation zufrieden. „Meine Männer haben gute Leistungen gezeigt“, sagt Major Chris. Er wird im Oktober mit seinen Männern nach Afghanistan gehen. Es wird sein fünfter Einsatz, der letzte liegt rund ein Jahr zurück. Für alle sei es gut, den gesamten Ablauf von der Planung bis zum Einsatzende in einem Durchlauf üben zu können. „Auch ich habe wieder viel dazugelernt, es gibt einige Sachen, die man noch besser machen kann“.


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Gründliche Durchsuchung


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Mission erfüllt Abmarsch


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hOMEr_jAy
02-07-2012, 01:13 PM
Thanks for posting these pics! It´s nice to get some insight into what the KSK is doing. That´ll help alot to remove some prejudices against this "shadowy" part of the Bundeswehr. One question, though...


Soldatinnen der Unterstützungskräfte des KSK übernehmen sie zur Durchsuchung.
What branch are those female support forces from? Paras? Or do they belong to the KSK without being actual "commandos"?

Lurking
02-07-2012, 01:34 PM
Germans have nice gear. People(American SOF) I have spoken to, who have worked with the KSK, think very highly of them.

madmike
02-07-2012, 04:13 PM
Any chance for English quotation? I don't speak German...What kind of exercise is the one these pictures are taken from? Is it kind of certification before deployment?


as far as i know (please correct me if i'm wrong) before KSK you could join the FSK compaies (there were 3) when the service was about 2 years....mostly because of the training with HALO and so. and you have to be a "zeitsoldat" (can't get the english word rightnow). back in these days the G3 was still fielded....
till 1990 it was possible... Thanks for help; anyone can provide more info? I'd like to know, if it was possible to conduct national service by conscripted soldier in the FSLK 200, after KSK was created and 100 and 300 Fernspähkompanies were disbanded?

Macs.
02-07-2012, 04:16 PM
There were conscripts within the logistics part of the KSK. But obviously nothing more than that.

Kandak
02-08-2012, 03:29 AM
Conscripts were part of all former LRRP coys (100, 200, 300) and of the four B1 special purpose airborne coys. They served as supporters (signal, medic, logistics) and they also filled the ranks in the operational platoons. It was very common but they had still to pass some very hard tests. When in 1996 the KSK was formed and all other units disbanded (in ecception of the FSLK 200) most of the conscripts were discharged anyway. However, some of them passed the changes and in late 1996 at least one LRRP platoon with conscripts was technically part of the KSK but quickly discharged too. Basically this was the end of it. After that conscripts served just in the logistical support units in the KSK and someone passed the test for FSLK 200, but specially in the modern LRRP unit, the conscripts don´t play any operational role at all.

sempertalis
02-08-2012, 04:42 AM
A friend of mine was a conscript (12 month) in FSK 300 and was part of an operational platoon. About half of his conscript time was spend on courses and they tried to push him to sign a longer term. In the end he didn´t do it and started working in the family buisness ... the backery! NOOB!

HaKa
02-08-2012, 05:01 AM
What branch are those female support forces from? Paras? Or do they belong to the KSK without being actual "commandos"?

KSK itself has no female operative capabilities so I assume that the supporting forces will come from any military branch that is needed (esp. paras or military police).
But news say that the KSK wants to enhance their ranks with female operatives beginning in the mid of 2012 by means of an adjusted qualification course. They want to follow the approach of American SOF and avoid the problem of being in need to lend external troops.

madmike
02-08-2012, 05:32 AM
Thanks a lot guys, that clear me up. So it can be said, that the end of the 1996 was the last time when consripts were allowed to serve in the Bundeswehra operational SOF units? Or it was possible for them to serve in the FSLK 200 operatinal platoons a little bit longer? And what about kampfschwimmer? If I'm not mistaken, there were conscripts as well some times ago?

I've asked these questions because I'm trying to comapre this issue with Polish Armed Forces SOF units.

What was the B1 coys? Never before heard about them. I've have serched the net and found just one article in the German Wikipedia about "kommando kompanies". Any English info about them?

Sandgroper
02-08-2012, 06:46 AM
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Soldaten des KSK und Sicherheitskräfte (re) arbeiten Hand in Hand

Interesting to see the fellow on the right (role-playing 'local security forces' I think? Sorry, I don't speak German) has been given an Auscam uniform. Although Australia is right next door after all ;)

HaKa
02-08-2012, 06:55 AM
Thanks a lot guys, that clear me up. So it can be said, that the end of the 1996 was the last time when consripts were allowed to serve in the Bundeswehra operational SOF units? Or it was possible for them to serve in the FSLK 200 operatinal platoons a little bit longer? And what about kampfschwimmer? If I'm not mistaken, there were conscripts as well some times ago?

I've asked these questions because I'm trying to comapre this issue with Polish Armed Forces SOF units.

What was the B1 coys? Never before heard about them. I've have serched the net and found just one article in the German Wikipedia about "kommando kompanies". Any English info about them?

I found a badly written article in English about the B1 companies. Looks like a machine made translation of the German wikipedia article.
http://www.multilingualarchive.com/ma/dewiki/en/Fallschirmj%C3%A4gerkompanien_B1_%28Kommando%29
If you don't mind decypher the sentences a bit, it should be quiet informative ;).

Your question about conscripts in the Kampfschwimmer Kompanie: I very much doubt that conscripts were chosen for Kampfschwimmer training for the simple reason that the military service in Germany never lasted more than 18 months. Not sure though, so if you have any contrary information about that, please let us know :).

By the way: As part of the Bundeswehr reformation the last one of the Fernspähkompanien (FSLK200) will be decommisioned as well as the traditional airborne school in Altenstadt (in case you didn't know yet).

madmike
02-08-2012, 07:36 AM
I found a badly written article in English about the B1 companies. Looks like a machine made translation of the German wikipedia article.
http://www.multilingualarchive.com/ma/dewiki/en/Fallschirmj%C3%A4gerkompanien_B1_%28Kommando%29 If you don't mind decypher the sentences a bit, it should be quiet informative ;). Thanks a lot, I will take look at that site.




Your question about conscripts in the Kampfschwimmer Kompanie: I very much doubt that conscripts were chosen for Kampfschwimmer training for the simple reason that the military service in Germany never lasted more than 18 months. Not sure though, so if you have any contrary information about that, please let us know :). Swedish Navy used to train their "attackdivers" during 12 months, so it is possible.




By the way: As part of the Bundeswehr reformation the last one of the Fernspähkompanien (FSLK200) will be decommisioned as well as the traditional airborne school in Altenstadt (in case you didn't know yet). Any more info about that? If the FSLK200 was supposed to be usful after KSK was created and the other FSLK was disbanded, what has changed since 1996?

DasVivo
02-08-2012, 07:39 AM
Interesting to see the fellow on the right (role-playing 'local security forces' I think? Sorry, I don't speak German) has been given an Auscam uniform. Although Australia is right next door after all ;)

Germans and Austrians working together I guess it brings new meaning to

Austereich ;)

Aweseome thread by the way never seen it before

HaKa
02-08-2012, 09:40 AM
Swedish Navy used to train their "attackdivers" during 12 months, so it is possible.


The official schedule for Kampfschwimmer trainees without military background takes up to 39 months for completion ( https://mil.bundeswehr-karriere.de/resource/resource/MzEzNTM4MmUzMzMyMmUzMTM1MzMyZTM2MzEzMDMwMzAzMDMwMzAzMDY3NmU3Nzc1NmI3NDM3N2EyMDIwMjAyMDIw/KSK.pdf ).



Any more info about that? If the FSLK200 was supposed to be usful after KSK was created and the other FSLK was disbanded, what has changed since 1996?

The company itself only consists of one real recce platoon. As the name Fernspählehrkompanie indicates (to teach), the company is part of the NATO International LRRP school in Pfullendorf.
Furthermore, all civilian applicants for the KSK have to complete a 2 year long training to become paratrooper/recce NCO before even being permitted for KSK qualification. They do this training as member of the FSLK200.

muck
02-08-2012, 02:25 PM
Any chance for English quotation? I don't speak German...What kind of exercise is the one these pictures are taken from? Is it kind of certification before deployment?Here you go.

Soldiers of the KSK - together they are strong

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Side by side: An airman and a commando operative

Calw, 03.02.2012.
Special forces prepare themselves for their deployment to Afghanistan. They train to cooperate with army aviation units and local security forces. The training is quite intense: They need to cope with realistic scenarios ranging from a helicopter crash to a convoy ambushed.

A medium transport helicopter takes off, the rotors blowing up tons of dust. It carries KSK troopers and local security forces of a partnered unit. Another helicopter hovers over the scene with more commandos on its skids to provide security. Then it happens - insurgents open fire at the helicopter. It takes hits and has to make an emergency landing.

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Sitrep: "We're under fire!"

Surrounded

While under hostile fire the soldiers and local forces retreat to a nearby forest. They are carrying casualties with them and return fire at the same time. The commandos give first aid to the mock casualties and initiate intravenous access with sodium chloride. A skilled medic with first responder training belongs to every fire team. Meanwhile the airmen have taken up positions along an earth wall and return covering fire.

The casualties have been stabilized and now word has to reach the command post. The team's signaller quickly installs a black folding antenna the radio of which is in his backpack. He forwards information about the incident, the number of casualties and the nature of their wounds. The swift response: Reinforcements will arrive within 90 minutes and "get everyone outta there".

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Covering fire with the heavy machine gun

Dangerous ambush

Reinforcements are on their way, consisting of more commandos and parachute infantry. The convoy passes through a small village. All seems quiet. Then everyone is struck by a powerful detonation. Insurgents have triggered a roadside bomb. A Fuchs armored personnel carrier has been destroyed and two soldiers wounded.

Insurgents open fire with small arms and rocket propelled grenades. Now everything has to go smoothly. One component gives first aid to the crew of the destroyed Fuchs and the other begins to counter attack. Machine guns spray bullets down the range while the commandos disembark to attack the enemies in nearby buildings.


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Still dangerous

Back to safety

The situation ends as quickly as it started but the surrounded soldiers and local police officers are not out of danger yet. The team leader radioes for pickup. While one part of the convoy will pull security along the village's main road the other part goes on to pick up the stranded troops. Afterwards everyone heads back to base with relieve spreading after their arrival: Everyone is in safety.

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Observers in red vests watch the exercise

Realistic scenarios

It is a scenario like many actual missions of the past. That is what the soldiers from Calw and their support forces prepare themselves for. Observers take part in the drills too - seasoned troops, the lot of them. Every training day ends with a debriefing. Mistakes shall not be made again.

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Insurgents took the helicopter down

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KSK operatives return fire

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Intensive training helps to save lives

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OPFOR actors with face protection

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Heavily armed

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Mission accomplished

„A canine KSK soldier“

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Rex gets started

Calw, 06.02.2012.
The Kommando Spezialkräfte (KSK) in Calw ist a unit consisting of all kinds of specialized operatives. Skilled parachutists work together with seasoned mountaineers, snipers work together with medics. Another example for this kind of operation are K9 handlers. Man and beast form a real unit, but even they have to undergo lots of training.

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Manhunt

A blue van speeds over a rural road. Two BO105 liasion helicopters and a UH1D light transport helicopters have taken up the chase. The airmen plan to stop the van. The BO105s overtake the vehicle, slow down and hover directly at eye height. The impressive look forces the motorist to stop immediately. The BO105s pull security while the UH1D lands nearby. Now KSK operatives should disembark and arrest the occupants, but today the airmen train on their own. It is a training flight for upcoming operations.

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They are one team

A man, a dog, a team

A KSK K9 team, named Fränki and Rex, join the training session. Fränki is a Master Sergeant and a commando operative, Rex is a German-Belgian Shepherd Mix - a canine commando operative so to speak. "Today we're going to train operations involving helicopters", Fränki says. It is but a refresher course for Rex who is six years old and already a well-trained and skilled combat dog. Nonetheless it is necessary to repeat this kind of training over and over again, Fränki says. The smells, the noises, the wind and the flying - they require constant rehersal. Rex as a member of the KSK is particularly well trained. He is a combat dog as well as an explosives sniffing dog, a special treat of working dogs of the German Army.


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Eyes on target

Fränki lives his dream

"Rex is very friendly towards my team mates", Fränki says. Everybody can pet him even when he is not wearing a muzzle. "He trusts the men and vice versa. It can work only that way." The both of them have served two tours in Afghanistan and another mission lies ahead. Fränki is a 35 years old professional soldier. He joined the army in 1996 as a parachute infantryman and completed the special forces selection course in 2000, one of the hardest tests there is. "I wanted to belong to the best of the best." He has been living this dream for the past eleven years. Nonetheless he holds other soldiers in high regard, and especially the KSK support forces. "They know their business very well and can do stuff I don't know anything about. Everyone of them is the right man or woman in the right place."


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No job for those who are afraid of heights

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Mission accomplished

KSK exercise - joint operations

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The raid begins at daybreak

Calw, 07.02.2012.
The uppermost objective of the Afghanistan mission is to enable local security forces to provide security on their own one day. NATO trains Afghan soldiers and partners them in combat operations for this purpose. KSK special forces fight together with Afghan troops as well, so they have to undergo thorough pre-deployment training.

Daybreak. Trees reappear from the twilight, birds begin to sing and oriental music can be heard. It comes from a local compound where males stand around a fire to warm their hands. A bike with a flat tyre is leant against a tree. Burqa-clad women wander around. Outside, however, well camouflaged soldiers silently sneak about the forest.

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KSK operatives during the operation

Soldiers of the Kommando Spezialkräfte (KSK) prepare for a raid, invisibly and silent. They are joined by local security forces who are portrayed by parachute infantry in foreign uniforms. They have received orders to hunt down insurgents hiding somewhere at this place.
Suddenly a detonation shakes the scene. Soldiers have used a distraction device, a so called "Flashbang". It gives them the momentum of surprise. The men who were standing around the fire and the Burqa-clad women flee for a building. The commandos and their local partners storm the compound. They are not met with resistance and have everything under control.

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KSK operatives and local security forces work together

A dangerous situation

„Village leader, walk towards my voice“, the interpreter's megaphone can be heard. There he comes, caftan-clad and bearded. "Don't shoot, we have women with us" the elderly man pleas, who is but a role player of the KSK support forces. "Tell him we want the males come out one by one", the team leader says to his interpreter. And as one at a time they come out to be apprehended by local security forces and put against a wall. The situation is highly dangerous. As long as they are not checked for weapons it could very well be that insurgents with weapons or explosives hide themselves among the crowd.

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The company leader plans the mission

The local forces need to watch and learn

„During this operation we will have to search people, apprehend high value targets and secure evidence for a legal follow-up", the company leader explains. It is a complex and difficult mission which requires all involved forces to work together. „My men cooperate with local security forces. That means we need interpreters to overcome the barriers of language. And we need to adapt to local customs, after all we want the locals to watch and learn so they can do the job on their own one day" company leader Major Chris (37) says.

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Mission accomplished

Ready for action, anytime, anywhere

A local Colonel told his men to guard the detainees. With the help of his interpreter the team leader explains him how to treat the detainees now. "Undress your shirt and your caftan!", he shouts. The personal searching has begun and one by one everybody is searched. The Burqa-clad women are the last ones to leave the building where female KSK support forces will search them. They confiscate mobile phones and other electronic devices, all other belongings are stored in plastic bags. Now the forces search the buildings for weapons and explosives. The KSK operatives render assistance to the local forces while securing evidence. They take pictures of the detainees and suspicious material and they record every find. These records will be used for criminal investigations later on.

The operation draws to a close. Suddenly there is small arms fire in the distance. Other KSK operatives have taken up positions in nearby villages and are met with insurgent resistance. At the end of the day the company leader is satisfied. "My men did a very good job", Major Chris says. They will deploy to Afghanistan in October. It will be his fifth tour of duty there even though the last one ended just a year ago. He says it is extremely fortunate for everyone to train an entire operation from briefing to debriefing in a single run. "Even I learned something new again, there are always things you can do better next time."

http://www.deutschesheer.de/resource/resource/MzEzNTM4MmUzMzMyMmUzMTM1MzMyZTM2MzEzMDMwMzAzMDMwMzAzMDY3Nzk2MjY2NmQ3NjZjNmIyMDIwMjAyMDIw/image_popup.jpg
A thorough investigation

http://www.deutschesheer.de/resource/resource/MzEzNTM4MmUzMzMyMmUzMTM1MzMyZTM2MzEzMDMwMzAzMDMwMzAzMDY3Nzk2MjY2NmY3NTM2MzcyMDIwMjAyMDIw/image_popup.jpg
Mission completed - departure
What branch are those female support forces from? Paras? Or do they belong to the KSK without being actual "commandos"?The KSK already has female soldiers in its support companies and builds up a special operations capable cultural support unit in these days. In Afghanistan for example they have to acquire females from other units to conduct raids and interact with female civilians but those are either not trained to operate together with special forces or would also be needed elsewhere.

Ravage
02-08-2012, 02:39 PM
Interesting. I wonder why german SOF did not adopt the 416s instead of the G36. Big boy rules probably.

madmike
02-08-2012, 02:42 PM
Great job Muck, thanks a lot.


The official schedule for Kampfschwimmer trainees without military background takes up to 39 months for completion[/url] ). OK, but maybe it was diffrent 10-20 years ago? If I'm not mistaken Kmapfschwimmers kompanie was founded in 1950~. For example FORMOZA - Polish combat divers unit, which was part of the Navy before POLSOCOM was created, quit recruiting conscripted sailors in the end of 19 80-thies - 15 years after this unit was founded. National service in the Polish Navy lasted 3 years that time...

muck
02-08-2012, 02:48 PM
You're welcome.
Interesting. I wonder why german SOF did not adopt the 416s instead of the G36. Big boy rules probably.Why would they? Does the 416 perform so much better than the G36? Moreover, Germany never used the AR-platform so it makes sense to opt for a weapon instead which all soldiers have already made experiences with.

Ravage
02-08-2012, 03:04 PM
You're welcome.Why would they? Does the 416 perform so much better than the G36? Moreover, Germany never used the AR-platform so it makes sense to opt for a weapon instead which all soldiers have already made experiences with.You're probably right. Thanks anywho.

He219
02-08-2012, 03:50 PM
Interesting. I wonder why german SOF did not adopt the 416s instead of the G36. Big boy rules probably.
Why would they? Does the 416 perform so much better than the G36?
Actually, yes.
The AR platform is far more ergonomic and mission adaptable and that's why it's been adopted globally, nearly 50 years after it's introduction.

Caliber specific, 416 or 417 alike, the AR platform with the HK piston system has proven to be one of the most dependable weapon platforms available.
Personally I like the low cyclic rate of the G36 and vibration free/smooth operation of the Direct Impingement AR, but ergonomics of the AR platform are superior in every sense making it a hand's down choice.


Moreover, Germany never used the AR-platform so it makes sense to opt for a weapon instead which all soldiers have already made experiences with.
Then what is the G27/G28 doing in Bundeswehr service?
:p

http://i43.*******.com/1zna3c9_th.jpg (http://i43.*******.com/1zna3c9.jpg)

sempertalis
02-08-2012, 04:10 PM
Then what is the G27/G28 doing in Bundeswehr service?
:p

http://i43.*******.com/1zna3c9_th.jpg (http://i43.*******.com/1zna3c9.jpg)

That´s a picture of the Kampfschwimmer(german seals) and i guess 1 reason why they use it is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SywgLmXSSP4

And for the G28: have you ever seen a G36 in 7.62? If yes, please send me a picture.

The AR platform is ergonomic except for the charging handle, you can´t argue with that.

He219
02-08-2012, 04:19 PM
That's why SEALS use the HK416, the piston negates that.


The AR platform is ergonomic except for the charging handle, you can´t argue with that.
The HK416 and HK417(G27/G28) are both based on the AR platform, just different calibers.

And yes, the non reciprocating charging handle of the AR is more ergonomic as well as the bolt catch/release paddle that the G36 lacks.

sempertalis
02-08-2012, 04:43 PM
That's why SEALS use the HK416, the piston negates that.


The HK416 and HK417(G27/G28) are both based on the AR platform, just different calibers.

And yes, the non reciprocating charging handle of the AR is more ergonomic as well as the bolt catch/release paddle that the G36 lacks.

The Bundeswehr needed a DMR in 7.62, that´s why they chose the G28. Again, if you see a G36 in 7.62 mail me one please!

The bolt catch is great but the charging handle on the AR s*cks, sorry to say that. You can´t do a tap/rack without sticking your thumb in your eye or taking the buttstock of the shoulder.

He219
02-08-2012, 04:49 PM
the charging handle on the AR s*cks, sorry to say that. You can´t do a tap/rack without sticking your thumb in your eye or taking the buttstock of the shoulder.
I'd say you're doing it wrong if you're sticking your thumb in your eye!

Quit polluting this thread oscar3
Try growing up and getting used to forum protocols.

muck
02-08-2012, 04:50 PM
Actually, yes.
The AR platform is far more ergonomic and mission adaptable and that's why it's been adopted globally, nearly 50 years after it's introduction.

Caliber specific, 416 or 417 alike, the AR platform with the HK piston system has proven to be one of the most dependable weapon platforms available.
Personally I like the low cyclic rate of the G36 and vibration free/smooth operation of the Direct Impingement AR, but ergonomics of the AR platform are superior in every sense making it a hand's down choice.


Then what is the G27/G28 doing in Bundeswehr service?
:p

http://i43.*******.com/1zna3c9_th.jpg (http://i43.*******.com/1zna3c9.jpg)Isn't ergonomy in the eye of the handler? And don't you think the US' dominance in all things military plays a role in the AR's widespread circulation, too?
Anyway, my point is the G36 is already the Bundeswehr's standard assault rifle. So when recruits come to the KSK they're already familiar with their future tools of the trade, and have skills instructors can build on.

Steak-Sauce
02-08-2012, 05:11 PM
These are some very interesting photos! Thanks a lot for posting!


A friend of mine was a conscript (12 month) in FSK 300 and was part of an operational platoon. About half of his conscript time was spend on courses and they tried to push him to sign a longer term. In the end he didn´t do it and started working in the family buisness ... the backery! NOOB!
Good for your friend. I doubt he regrets his choice. No need to call someone "noob", because real life sure as hell is no Counter-Strike.

He219
02-08-2012, 05:20 PM
Isn't ergonomy in the eye of the handler?
Negative. By definition:


Ergonomics is the study of designing equipment and devices that fit the human body, its movements, and its cognitive abilities.



And don't you think the US' dominance in all things military plays a role in the AR's widespread circulation, too?
US SOF and Police have always employed German equipment and weapons to an extent.
Heckler & Koch improved the AR. The HK416/417 is made in Germany.
The other day we even saw Russian Alpha with M4's


Moreover, Germany never used the AR-platform so it makes sense to opt for a weapon instead which all soldiers have already made experiences with.

I only pointed out that the G28 is an AR platform. SOF learn proficiency in all weapon types and should use what best meets their mission needs.

oscar3 writes how the AR charging handle 'sucks' (grow up) but that the Bundeswehr needed a .308/7.62 NATO (other than G3 DMR) and still chose the G28/AR platform.

Go figure.

lol




*Enough tangent*

sempertalis
02-08-2012, 05:29 PM
These are some very interesting photos! Thanks a lot for posting!


Good for your friend. I doubt he regrets his choice. No need to call someone "noob", because real life sure as hell is no Counter-Strike.

In the past 18 years there were a lot of drinking nights where he said so himself. All the things he did during his conscript time he does now as a hobby(parachuting, hiking, climbing, ...)

HaKa
02-09-2012, 01:09 PM
An ex-para put it that way: "It's the best job in the world, once you're done with it." I think that hits the nail on the head. There are at least as many good reasons against a military life than there are in favor for it. One tends to idealize the past, at least that is my experience.




Great job Muck, thanks a lot.

OK, but maybe it was diffrent 10-20 years ago? If I'm not mistaken Kmapfschwimmers kompanie was founded in 1950~. For example FORMOZA - Polish combat divers unit, which was part of the Navy before POLSOCOM was created, quit recruiting conscripted sailors in the end of 19 80-thies - 15 years after this unit was founded. National service in the Polish Navy lasted 3 years that time...

Of course i cannot offer reliable information about the recruiting procedure from 20 years ago, but still I find it very unlikely that conscripts were ever allowed for application taking into consideration a 18 month military service at its maximum.

Kandak
02-10-2012, 04:45 AM
Just some info:
- The "Fallschirmjaeger-Kompanie Typ B1, Kommando" were the German attempt in the post-cold-war-era to create an Army special forces type unit(s) within the airborne and paratrooper brigades (sabotage, close protection, HALO-HAHO inflitration, waterborne warfare, strikes and raids, ambushes, direct actions etc.). Every of the 4 old airborne brigades had one company of this type, wich had an offensive special purpose doctrine, but never reached special forces status per NATO defintion. The real problem was the huge number of conscriptes (even if capable and highly motivated) and the conventional role of the commanding battalions. Only after 4 or 5 years (when they were finally operational...), the whole concept was cancelled. Only some few officers and sergeants made it into the KSK. Even most of the contracted privates and specialists, even if capable, could not get in the new formed KSK because they were "too old" or because of aplications rules and infamous military bureaucracy rules. A whole generation of good, capable and highly trained and motivated soldiers were wasted with this rules. From four B1-coys, the whole SCHWARZWALD-Brigade and three LRRP coys (severla thousend trained man) just 170 were passed into the KSK in 1997. You can immagine, how many highly trained people were just discharged, disbanded or simply send home.
- The FSLK 200 had back in the past only one or max. two operational platoon(s). It changed after the new KSK-trainee-programm was passed over to the 209 Coy in Pfullendorf, wich was in charge of pre-selecting and pre-training of KSK-aspirants. A lot of this candidates did not pass the final KSK-test, but were very good recce-operators. So this pre-trained candidates, still highly motivated and capable, were all passed in huge number to the FSLK 200, wich grow to 4 operational platoons and a "special duty" platoon (special optronics and FAC etc.) in the recent years. Now the future of the FSLK 200 is unfortunately very discussed becuase LRRP capabilites with SF option (Kommando) are still present in the KSK. Some rumors says that the LRRP operators from the FSLK 200 will be integrated in an unique airborne-recce coy as platoon, maybe. Somebody says that in the whole Army recce branch, the squad and platoon leaders will have a LRRP qualification. Who really knows? The FSLK will be disbanded anyway. However, only the future will show the current toughts of the Army HQ.
- Conscripts were allways present also in the Kampfschwimmer-Kompanie and in the old Waffentauchergruppe, but just in the operational support role. To be a Kampfschwimmer or a Minentaucher it takes several years of training, for German standards. So their job as conscript was and is still only in the logistical and admisnistrative (not combat) support role.

I hope it helps. If somebody knows more, please correct me.

marko16
02-10-2012, 11:29 AM
That's why SEALS use the HK416, the piston negates that.


The HK416 and HK417(G27/G28) are both based on the AR platform, just different calibers.

And yes, the non reciprocating charging handle of the AR is more ergonomic as well as the bolt catch/release paddle that the G36 lacks.

The bolt catch and mag release has been addressed on the G36. They installed a mag release just like an HK pistol mag release and the bolt release is now done with your fore finger right in front of the trigger. I like the weight distribution of the G36k better than an AR and the overall weight is lower even with the stock optic. The stock optic, however, suffers compared to a Trijicon or Elcan and no doubt you get a better sight picture with the AR. Too me they are so close and with the new features, I just like the 36 better. But put your cheek to an AR and it's is slightly better. The G36 with a cheek riser might make it equal. They are both good, but only if you compare it to a piston AR, which is what a G36 is for the most part.

madmike
02-10-2012, 12:34 PM
@HaKa and Kandak
Thanks a lot guys, that clear me up.

So it looks like pre-KSK Bundeswhera SOF units were a little bit similar to Polish Armed Forces SOF from the Cold War era, with all the problems with conscripts, whose service was too short, conventional commanders who didn't uderstand the difference beetwen SOF and airborne units etc.

Kandak
02-11-2012, 04:32 AM
Yes, it was more or less like that. It has to mentioned that the first Bundeswehr SOF unit were the Kampfschwimmers. Later the Army created the LRRP units, wich were consideret elite and special purpose too, but had an defensive doctrine. It changed in 91/92 when the B1-type Fallschirmjaeger coys were set up, with all the discussed problems. The politcal reason behind this was that superiors wanted conscripts in all this units, to evoid a "SF" hype" and most of the Colonels and Generals didn´t accept elite units, most of them were tankers and artillery-hobos. The thinking of the Cold War was the same as in the 2. WW, they didn´t change much. More or less a truely German Cold War special Forces unit was allways sabotaged by politicians and high ranking officers. A little bit also because the GSG 9 was allready considered a paramilitary special forces unit close to the SAS taking care of the most urgent problems in the country. Nobody was really thinking about a real conflict with Warsaw Pact SF units or about operations in overseas. This all changed with the creation of the KSK in 95/96.

madmike
02-11-2012, 09:12 AM
It changed in 91/92 when the B1-type Fallschirmjaeger coys were set up, with all the discussed problems. It was the time, when the era of small SOF detachement acting as a LLRP and Unconwentional Warfare elements in every divisions and armies of the Polish Army (we were supposed to create three armies if the war in Europe break out) was almost over. In 1994 there were just three SOF units in Polish Armed Forces - one in the Army (the biigest one, full of consripts), one in the Navy and one in the Ministry of Interior Affairs (in that time there were some military units in the Polish MoIA - kind of communits era heritage). That the score is for Poland.




The politcal reason behind this was that superiors wanted conscripts in all this units, to evoid a "SF" hype" [...] It had taken 10 more years for Polish SOF operational units to be full pro; five more than Germany. Point for Bundeshwera.





[...]and most of the Colonels and Generals didn´t accept elite units, most of them were tankers and artillery-hobos. Tankers are the same everywhere... With all my respect to the hard conditions of their service - they're not the ones who wants to make any change or progress...





A little bit also because the GSG 9 was allready considered a paramilitary special forces unit close to the SAS taking care of the most urgent problems in the country. I was very surprised, when I read the first article about GSG-9 as the expeditionary offensive force... Special units of Polish Ministry of Interior Affair forces - Police Aniterrorist units, Border Guard tactical teams, Bureau of Goverment Protection PSD elements - sometimes do conduct mission abroad (BoGP officers deploy as PSD and Force Protection members for the Polish embassies all over the world, Police officers take part in UN and EU police mission - sometimes even as a SWAT element, Border Guard tactical teams members escort detainees all over the world and act as a sky marshalls); but they are not considered as an expeditionary force in Polish Goverment policy...

graf zahl
02-28-2012, 06:11 AM
taken from writer at whq.de

http://h9.abload.de/img/421210_263985123675767sass.jpg

most likely takem from theit Facebook account:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Seul-Military-Consulting-SMC/247853461955598

HaKa
03-01-2012, 11:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CN719c6m5B4


Recon soldiers of Fernspählehrkompanie 200 conducting winter training to prepare themselves for the Cold Response excercise in Norway.

He219
03-01-2012, 11:48 AM
taken from writer at whq.de

Looking good in Crye Precision Multicam!

trasher
03-29-2012, 07:20 AM
@ HaKa
Das Video ist privat!

Please change terms of use! Thank ya =)

HaKa
03-29-2012, 02:38 PM
That video was published on the Bundeswehr's official youtube channel. Seems they changed its design and this video is blocked now. Left them a comment regarding that, now it's up to them if they put it back on again.

graf zahl
05-03-2012, 02:05 PM
some more:


http://www.abload.de/img/19p5ygr.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/206zadd.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/23bqbda.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/24cwzvj.jpg

Steak-Sauce
05-03-2012, 03:19 PM
Very nice pictures, graf zahl. Keep up the good work.

LokisFeuer
05-04-2012, 01:39 PM
New offical photos:
178809

More in the article here:
http://www.deutschesheer.de/portal/a/heer/!ut/p/c4/NYzNDoIwEITfaLeQEH9uIhfjjYvibSkrrZaWbBa9-PAWE2eSySTfZPCG2ZFefiT1KVLAK3bW7_s3OGYBeurCIUAk68RbpxzhQU5KU5Rw514W-nW8rEcDg02Rdc28VJ9zFNIkMCfRsJJFJBPwA3amaGpTmb-Kz7atmvNxt6maU93iPE2HL-rzvbs!/a

HaKa
05-04-2012, 01:59 PM
Thanks for posting!
That is a wild mix of camo patterns in this photo...

Jass
05-04-2012, 08:20 PM
edited: Wrong threat

tluassa
05-04-2012, 09:13 PM
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/4874/gdhgdh.jpg

What do my sore eyes see ? picture commentary: "shoulder on shoulder:Heeresflieger and KSK" ... with an MG3 ? Since when do our pilots dismount the Heli-board MG3 and carry it into combat :) ?

wwjs
05-04-2012, 09:17 PM
What do my sore eyes see ? picture commentary: "shoulder on shoulder:Heeresflieger and KSK" ... with an MG3 ? Since when do our pilots dismount the Heli-board MG3 and carry it into combat :) ?
Maybe when your heli crashes behind enemy lines and you have to gtfo asap ;-)

tluassa
05-04-2012, 09:28 PM
And if the barrel of the MG3 overheats, our Army-Pilot fighting machine can just switch to his G-36 (probably with added Grenade launcher) he carries over his shoulder ... Thats how I would have liked to roll during my great conscription time ... well all this weight ... dont know ... ^^

JCR
05-04-2012, 09:30 PM
I wonder what they're going to do if the helo shot down had .50 cal M3Ms as door guns?
Ok, real Heeresflieger door gunners will just fire them from the hip I guess.

Morris
05-05-2012, 04:57 AM
Could someone tell me witch battalion is stationed in Schwarzenborn? I was there last week for an exercise, but I cant seem to remember.
Beautiful terrain btw!

Jägerregiment 1

Partly in Schwarzenborn and partly stationed in Hammelburg.

And the terrain and area sucks. It's almost always raining. And it sucks especially in winter when you have to march in -20°C and through knee deep snow p-)

The Jägerregiment will be remodeled though. 4th, 6th and 9th company will be dissolved and the rest will change into Jägerbataillon 1. They will remain in Schwarzenborn.

LokisFeuer
05-05-2012, 11:00 AM
Maybe when your heli crashes behind enemy lines and you have to gtfo asap ;-)
Something like that was written in the article.

writer
05-05-2012, 01:16 PM
New offical photos:
178809

More in the article here:
http://www.deutschesheer.de/portal/a/heer/!ut/p/c4/NYzNDoIwEITfaLeQEH9uIhfjjYvibSkrrZaWbBa9-PAWE2eSySTfZPCG2ZFefiT1KVLAK3bW7_s3OGYBeurCIUAk68RbpxzhQU5KU5Rw514W-nW8rEcDg02Rdc28VJ9zFNIkMCfRsJJFJBPwA3amaGpTmb-Kz7atmvNxt6maU93iPE2HL-rzvbs!/a

repost, page 57



http://www.abload.de/img/3232579878856443569682yxqn.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/98766533454656kbxrh.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/543546657654433676r5zjq.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/99866544334767oy2d.jpg

(all from september 2011)

graf zahl
05-06-2012, 11:23 AM
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/3766/16828684.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/638/16828684.jpg/)

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/5056/47764226.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/196/47764226.jpg/)

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7725/66236503.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/444/66236503.jpg/)

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/9545/83850962.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/6/83850962.jpg/)

reppi
05-08-2012, 03:49 PM
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/4874/gdhgdh.jpg

What do my sore eyes see ? picture commentary: "shoulder on shoulder:Heeresflieger and KSK" ... with an MG3 ? Since when do our pilots dismount the Heli-board MG3 and carry it into combat :) ?
This is no pilot but one of our doorgunners (see his rank). This photo was taken during an exercise with KSK and the SOF-Air element CH-53 crews. After a forced landing you dismount the MGs to secure the landing site. Unfortunately this ain't possible with the heavy M3M. We're trying to find a solution for that case because this is the equipment being used in Afghanistan. There is no MG3 anymore.

muck
05-30-2012, 03:59 PM
German president Joachim Gauck visiting Israel; his adjutant (notice the beret badge and commando patch on his chest) is a KSK soldier.

http://i50.*******.com/bvms6.png

(No PERSEC violation; the picture comes from an official source and his gorget patches are the crimson ones of a general staff officer). It's a kind of debut; so far, only the respective General of the Special Forces would wear the uniform in public.

seventy6er
07-02-2012, 04:01 PM
Kampfschwimmer in Lehnin

http://www.marine.de/resource/resource/MzEzNTM4MmUzMzMyMmUzMTM1MzMyZTM2MzIzMDMwMzAzMDMwMzAzMDY4MzQzMDc1NzY3OTY0MzQyMDIwMjAyMDIw/Kopie%20von%20Kampfschwimmer_verschaffen_sich_Zutritt_640.jpg

Eindringen in das Waffen****nal (Quelle: © 2012 Bundeswehr)

http://www.marine.de/resource/resource/MzEzNTM4MmUzMzMyMmUzMTM1MzMyZTM2MzEzMDMwMzAzMDMwMzAzMDY4MzQzMDc1NmQ2MjZjNjgyMDIwMjAyMDIw/Kopie%20von%20Absicherung_640.jpg

Über Kopfhörer und Mikrofon verständigen sich die Soldaten (Quelle: © 2012 Bundeswehr)

http://www.marine.de/resource/resource/MzEzNTM4MmUzMzMyMmUzMTM1MzMyZTM2MzEzMDMwMzAzMDMwMzAzMDY4MzM3YTc2Mzc3NjM5MzgyMDIwMjAyMDIw/Kopie%20von%20Kampfschwimmer_auf_BO_105_640.jpg

Sicherung des Anmarschweges (Quelle: © 2012 Bundeswehr / Björn Wilke/Presse- und Informationszentrum Marine)

http://www.marine.de/resource/resource/MzEzNTM4MmUzMzMyMmUzMTM1MzMyZTM2MzIzMDMwMzAzMDMwMzAzMDY4MzQzMDc1NmY2NDMxMzgyMDIwMjAyMDIw/Kopie%20von%20Absicherung_3_640.jpg

Die Umgebung wird gesichert und unter Beobachtung gehalten (Quelle: © 2012 Bundeswehr)

http://www.marine.de/resource/resource/MzEzNTM4MmUzMzMyMmUzMTM1MzMyZTM2MzIzMDMwMzAzMDMwMzAzMDY4MzQzNTYxNzE2ZDY5N2EyMDIwMjAyMDIw/Kopie%20von%20Zugang_verschafft_640.jpg

Kampfschwimmer haben sich Zugang verschafft (Quelle: © 2012 Bundeswehr)

http://www.marine.de/resource/resource/MzEzNTM4MmUzMzMyMmUzMTM1MzMyZTM2MzEzMDMwMzAzMDMwMzAzMDY4MzQzMDc1NmMzMjM1NzYyMDIwMjAyMDIw/Kopie%20von%20Absicherung_2_640.jpg

Sicherung in alle Richtungen (Quelle: © 2012 Bundeswehr)

http://www.marine.de/resource/resource/MzEzNTM4MmUzMzMyMmUzMTM1MzMyZTM2MzIzMDMwMzAzMDMwMzAzMDY4MzQzMDc1NzU3MDYxNmIyMDIwMjAyMDIw/Kopie%20von%20Kampfschwimmer_Verletztenversorgung_640.jpg

Verletztenversorgung im Einsatzgebiet (Quelle: © 2012 Bundeswehr)

http://www.marine.de/resource/resource/MzEzNTM4MmUzMzMyMmUzMTM1MzMyZTM2MzIzMDMwMzAzMDMwMzAzMDY4MzQzMDc2NmEzMjZhMzYyMDIwMjAyMDIw/Kopie%20von%20Kampfschwimmer_mit_Helikopter640.jpg

Abtransport des Einsatzteams (Quelle: © 2012 Bundeswehr)

Link (http://www.marine.de/portal/a/marine/!ut/p/c4/NYq5DsJADAX_yN40HOkIKUBpEAUQOpNYkcUekeWEho9nt-CNNM08fGIm0ioTmaRIHh_YD1K_PhBIgd62sPeM9_IbGYYU2YqNo0n2pGRJYU5qvpRFNReQEXtXtY3buv-q7-52OR27jdu35-aKcwiHH8QXRH8!/)


Credits go to schocher of WHQ

Eagle9294
07-06-2012, 11:08 AM
German president Joachim Gauck visiting Israel; his adjutant (notice the beret badge and commando patch on his chest) is a KSK soldier.

http://i50.*******.com/bvms6.png

(No PERSEC violation; the picture comes from an official source and his gorget patches are the crimson ones of a general staff officer). It's a kind of debut; so far, only the respective General of the Special Forces would wear the uniform in public.

Dude is strack.

Bleifuss
07-06-2012, 09:18 PM
German president Joachim Gauck visiting Israel; his adjutant (notice the beret badge and commando patch on his chest) is a KSK soldier.

http://i50.*******.com/bvms6.png

(No PERSEC violation; the picture comes from an official source and his gorget patches are the crimson ones of a general staff officer). It's a kind of debut; so far, only the respective General of the Special Forces would wear the uniform in public.

Looking at his "rack" I know all of them except the top right one , what is it ?

QuiGon
07-09-2012, 06:17 AM
http://cdn4.spiegel.de/images/image-374133-galleryV9-duzi.jpg


Today Prince Albert II of Monaco is visiting german president Gauck and I found this picture where you can see this KSK-Colonel guarding their wives :lol:

ComandoBR
07-09-2012, 05:20 PM
KSK troops droped by a brazilian C-130 during the Maple Flag exercise in Canada (30/5/12)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kggMpBp3QvA#!

183410

TyroneBiggums
07-09-2012, 10:42 PM
Slim chances probably but anyone know of a high res of this one?

http://www.abload.de/img/543546657654433676r5zjq.jpg

goneski
08-06-2012, 03:40 AM
Some nice pictures of Kampfschwimmer.

courtesy of SpOn (http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/spezialkraefte-der-bundeswehr-kampfschwimmer-trainieren-haeuserkampf-a-846400.html):
http://i.imgur.com/1dqI8.jpg

Sägefisch, Fallschirm und Eichenlaub - das Abzeichen der Kampfschwimmer. Auf dem Truppenübungsplatz im brandenburgischen Lehnin trainieren sie Häuserkampf.

http://i.imgur.com/nMUvD.jpg

Einsatzbesprechung: Die Ortskampfanlage 1 in Lehnin heißt im Übungsszenario Rauhberg - ein Dutzend Straßen, etwa 70 Häuser. Die Kampfschwimmer sollen ein Hochhaus am Ortsende einnehmen.

http://i.imgur.com/ZFeZz.jpg

Dienstwagen der Kampfschwimmer: der leicht gepanzerte Mowag Eagle, ein neun Tonnen schwerer Transporter auf der Basis des amerikanischen Humvee.

http://i.imgur.com/AjaNi.jpg

"Einsickern" heißt die erste Phase der Operation - unentdeckt an den Zielort heranpirschen, immer in Deckung, immer schussbereit.

http://i.imgur.com/Uu4N0.jpg

Der Ablauf ist hundertfach einstudiert: Deckung geben, vorrücken, Deckung geben, nachrücken.

http://i.imgur.com/K6ulJ.jpg

Rund 30 Kilogramm schultern die Kampfschwimmer bei ihren Einsätzen - Waffen, Munition, Funkgerät, Splitterweste - und der Breacher schleppt sogar einen Vorschlaghammer mit, um am Ziel die Tür einzuschlagen.

http://i.imgur.com/NuNzb.jpg

Erstes Ziel der Operation - die Bäckerei von Rauhberg, ein Waffen****nal des Feinds. Die Stahltür wird gesprengt, das Gebäude gestürmt.

http://i.imgur.com/wWjgY.jpg

Scharfschützen sichern das Vorrücken der Häuserkämpfer.

http://i.imgur.com/Ln5qP.jpg

OKA 1, die Ortskampfanlage 1 in Lehnin, ist als Ruinenstadt gebaut - mit Häusern ohne Dächer und Fenster. Gefechtslärm kommt aus Lautsprechern, der Feind existiert nur als Simulation - ferngesteuerte Scheiben klappen in den Fensterhöhlen hoch.

http://i.imgur.com/hK7Xg.jpg

Ziel Nummer zwei, das Gerichtsgebäude von Rauhberg: Wieder wird die Tür mit einer Sprengladung aufgebrochen.

http://i.imgur.com/2vBGZ.jpg

Als die Insurgents aus dem Wald hinter Rauhberg attackieren, fordern die Kampfschwimmer Verstärkung aus der Luft an: BO-105-Helikopter, auf den Kufen stehen Scharfschützen, die den Weg für den Rückzug freischießen.

http://i.imgur.com/7X8tX.jpg

Rückzug aus Rauhberg, Kampfschwimmer sichern den Abtransport eines Verwundeten. Ihre Standardwaffe ist das G-36-K- Sturmgewehr.

http://i.imgur.com/b0BkQ.jpg

Ein Verwundeter, die Kampfschwimmer fordern den großen CH53-Hubschrauber vom Heer an, der über den Wäldern hinter Rauhberg auf Stand-by kreist.

http://i.imgur.com/2PgwS.jpg

Hauptbootsmann Lauf, Regisseur der Übung, erklärt in der Nachbesprechung, was gut geklappt hat und was schiefgelaufen ist.

Full article (in german): http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/spezialkraefte-der-bundeswehr-kampfschwimmer-trainieren-haeuserkampf-a-846400.html

writer
08-06-2012, 09:13 AM
Multicam, awesome :D

muck
08-06-2012, 12:04 PM
Cool pictures - but good God Multicam has arrived in the German military at last... I bet some brass observers cringed on the sight. Not 37/10 approved!

Steak-Sauce
08-06-2012, 12:34 PM
I bet some brass observers cringed on the sight. Not 37/10 approved!

At least these are SOF units. You should hear the horror stories from a FschJg I know.. Gs and OGs who are fully kitted out like there is no tomorrow.

Heti
08-09-2012, 04:52 AM
Multicam and moustache. What a great combination!

Always wondering why Kampfschwimmer stick to the Aimpoints (Can someone identify the exact models used?), while KSK, EGB, FschSpZg &c are using Eotechs most of the time afaik. Is there some deep meaning behind that or is it simply because of a different acquisition policy within the german navy?

Except for the moustache dude, Kampfschwimmer don't seem to be so heavily into Crye as their army fellows.
Most of it seems to be TacGear and Köhler (pants?), but I'm not that into german gear brands to tell dead certain. Could someone point out some of the basics used? Especially the combat shirt looks interesting. Never saw a Flecktarn shirt with high zip collar! Thanks.

Breakfast in Vegas
08-09-2012, 05:00 AM
My favorite OT Kampfschwimmer story... I was moving once and had some old and very stable wooden closets (Schränke) in the basement that needed to be taken apart/destroyed before being removed from the basement and thrown into the garbage container I'd rented. He was a very friendly guy, but watching him kick and punch the closets into bite-size pieces within a matter of seconds was very impressive/scary. I couldnt help thinking what he could do to a human being, the guy was a lethal weapon. No idea where he is now, but I wouldnt be surprised if he is a PMC or maybe even in GSG or something similar.

seventy6er
08-09-2012, 05:09 AM
Always wondering why Kampfschwimmer stick to the Aimpoints (Can someone identify the exact models used?), while KSK, EGB, FschSpZg &c are using Eotechs most of the time afaik. Is there some deep meaning behind that or is it simply because of a different acquisition policy within the german navy?



User’s Manual for
Aimpoint CompM3
and
Aimpoint CompML3


CHAPTER III
OPERATION UNDER EXTREME CONDITIONS

c) Salt air. No special procedures required.
d) Sea spray, water, mud and snow. Ensure that battery cap and two
adjustment screw caps are tight before exposing the sight to sea
spray, mud, snow or before immersing the sight in water. Hand tighten
only. Keep lens covers closed when sight is not being used. Clean
lenses with lens paper/cloth and wipe the sight dry as soon as possible
after exposure to water, sea spray, mud or snow.

From what I read here, the aimpoints are better suited for use in conditions where they're exposed to salt air and spray watrer.

LokisFeuer
08-09-2012, 06:54 AM
Combat Shirts look like TacGear.



http://i.imgur.com/7X8tX.jpg

Nice to see they are customed this ****ty TT wrist pouch too. :|
But what the hack ... this Santa Patch?

Heti
08-09-2012, 07:38 AM
I like the santa patch a lot! Shows, that he doesn't take himself dead serious.
One often gets the impression of SF guys beeing icecold and quiet professionals, who don't seem to paint the town red and laugh about themselfs once a while. From what I experienced, most of the time the total opposite is the case.

OT: What's wrong with the TT wrist thing?

seventy6er
08-09-2012, 07:55 AM
http://i.imgur.com/7X8tX.jpg



I'd love to see some action footage from that GoPro...

LokisFeuer
08-10-2012, 05:51 AM
OT: What's wrong with the TT wrist thing?
The arm-straps are completly ****. I've the first version (which have no elastic part) and it sucks. I customed it with some old blousing straps and it worked for me.
I think the new versions now have that also - but still not sure.

muck
08-10-2012, 12:38 PM
But what the hack ... this Santa Patch?Maybe he was an honorable member of the original Santa Claus Protection Team? ;)

Dave76
09-11-2012, 03:16 PM
http://www.abload.de/img/kskk9ohike.jpg

Tierische Unterstützung gibt es nicht nur bei der Polizei oder bei der Feuerwehr. Dieser vierbeinige Kamerad steht in den Diensten des Kommandos Spezialkräfte (KSK) und trainiert mit seinem zweibeinigen Partner. Was einen ernsten Hintergrund hat, ist für die Diensthunde der Bundeswehr genau wie bei den Drogenspürhunden der Polizei ein Spiel: Richtiges Verhalten wird mit einem Leckerchen belohnt. Je nach Aufgabe und Eignung werden die Hunde als Sprengstoffspürhund, Kampfmittelspürhund, Minenspürhund, Rauschgiftspürhund oder Personenspürhund eingesetzt. (Quelle: Heer/MedProdFw)

Spätzle
10-23-2012, 05:01 PM
http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/7jqmaq93/015913888_40100.jpg

KSK

http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/651ld5zn/sdc19888lu6e.jpg

Spätzle
10-23-2012, 05:05 PM
http://www.abload.de/img/ghjlpo98f53k-f8njx7zosj1.jpg

Spätzle
10-23-2012, 05:06 PM
http://www.abload.de/img/07juli1440-bcdj2cz7s4a.jpg

Spätzle
10-23-2012, 05:10 PM
http://www.abload.de/img/15037480mxuec.jpg

Spätzle
10-23-2012, 05:14 PM
http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/v25mgs5f/sealksk59k85.jpg

Seal Team 3 + KSK

Spätzle
10-23-2012, 05:15 PM
http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/5cdd8hr0/aq03635ml0oadkpb.jpg

Steak-Sauce
10-23-2012, 05:18 PM
Thanks for your input, Spätzle.

Spätzle
10-23-2012, 05:37 PM
http://www.abload.de/img/opera2010-11-2716-51-48ot4.jpg

Spätzle
10-23-2012, 05:40 PM
http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/rvb5sna9/sdc19880mutc.jpg

Spätzle
10-23-2012, 05:47 PM
http://www.abload.de/img/scannen0001-annuj5mcp9z.jpg

LokisFeuer
11-06-2012, 04:10 AM
Any more informations to the helicopter-pictures?
(The old compound-pictures from AFG are very nice, but all reposts.)

Dave76
11-06-2012, 04:20 AM
Any more informations to the helicopter-pictures?
(The old compound-pictures from AFG are very nice, but all reposts.)
Taken during the exercise Green Panther together with the Austrian Jagdkommando.

writer
11-09-2012, 09:43 AM
http://www.abload.de/img/71-zkpep-rl._aa1500_rvpgp.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/91wtyhe1w5l._aa1500_6yode.jpg

The book will be published this month...

He219
11-09-2012, 10:50 AM
Nice to see the STANAG magwell adapter on the G36 above.
Great pix!

LoboCanada
11-09-2012, 01:50 PM
Normal G36 mags not popular?

flanker7
11-09-2012, 01:57 PM
Normal G36 mags not popular?

From the very very small experience I had, what I didn't like was the bulky base plate and clip together things which make the very tricky to pull out of the ammo pouches, plus you can't fit as many in a given ammo pouch(1 instead of 2 or 2 instead of 3 STANAG ones)

muck
11-09-2012, 02:02 PM
Granted I have no insight into the KSK, but in other special operations capable outfits the German Army and Navy the G36 mags live an existence perhaps kind of similar to the STANAG vs Magpul issue in the US military... they're not popular, but not unpopular either (no feeding problems whatsoever but they're vulnerable to external force). It would make some sense for the KSK to rely on STANAG adapters since they also use the HK416.

Thanks for calling attention to the book, writer!

writer
11-11-2012, 09:02 AM
http://www.abload.de/img/mgollner01suqhb.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/mgollner03dfrf1.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/mgollner020qp8i.jpg

cbreedon
11-11-2012, 11:22 AM
http://www.abload.de/img/71-zkpep-rl._aa1500_rvpgp.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/91wtyhe1w5l._aa1500_6yode.jpg

The book will be published this month...
here's the link
http://www.amazon.de/Milit%C3%A4r-03-Speed-Action-Surprise/dp/3200022906/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=IC5CSEYMLD4T&coliid=I36513PDM2E1Y2

IR5
11-11-2012, 12:02 PM
http://www.abload.de/img/71-zkpep-rl._aa1500_rvpgp.jpg



The book will be published this month...

That bulky handguard kind of defeats the purpose of the Magpul AFG.

seventy6er
11-11-2012, 07:32 PM
any info on those double-sights? why is there another sight mounted in front of the eotech?

TyroneBiggums
11-11-2012, 07:43 PM
3x (Or something X) Magnifier mate.

http://www.eotech-inc.com/products/magnifiers

Flip it up and you've got a 3x optic, flip it down and you've got your standard EoTech.

seventy6er
11-11-2012, 07:53 PM
thx mate
10 chars

cbreedon
11-11-2012, 09:28 PM
3x (Or something X) Magnifier mate.

http://www.eotech-inc.com/products/magnifiers

Flip it up and you've got a 3x optic, flip it down and you've got your standard EoTech.
Quite a heavy setup.... I had that on one of my rifles and went with the ACOG instead.

Kombattant
11-12-2012, 02:43 AM
Amazing thread, thank you to all the contributors.

IR5
11-12-2012, 02:22 PM
Quite a heavy setup.... I had that on one of my rifles and went with the ACOG instead.

Eye relief ain't too great with the ACOGs. The versatility of the EOTech setup is worth the weight, IMO.

BP72
11-12-2012, 05:07 PM
Not sure how/why you would have problems with eye relief. Between an adjustable stock and a top rail you should be able to set the eye relief up perfectly for you. I used one for a while; they are brilliant optics when used in appropriate roles.

I found the EO Tech on the other hand to be an unreliable POS. Early gen models had a battery case issue which never seemed to be corrected on later models. I loved the reticle pattern, but if its a choice between that and reliability, I'd rather use something I know is still working after I've switched it on and is more rugged ie. Aimpoint.

IR5
11-13-2012, 05:08 AM
Not sure how/why you would have problems with eye relief. Between an adjustable stock and a top rail you should be able to set the eye relief up perfectly for you. I used one for a while; they are brilliant optics when used in appropriate roles.

Agreed, but key phrase here is "appropriate roles". No one shoots with a perfect cheek-weld in CQB, at least not with people shooting back. Also parallax and having a fixed magnification are both problem for SOF when using the ACOG.

The ACOG is a great optic for infantry, but it's not suitable for a high-end raid force.

If the EOTech were unreliable, it wouldn't be so widely used and acclaimed. Early gen EOTechs may have had problems, but they've been fixed since then.

writer
11-14-2012, 02:02 PM
http://www.abload.de/thumb/image_16wsbjw.jpg (http://www.abload.de/img/image_16wsbjw.jpg) http://www.abload.de/thumb/image_01ifcks.jpg (http://www.abload.de/img/image_01ifcks.jpg) http://www.abload.de/thumb/20120913_auswahl_ksk_cfyts.jpg (http://www.abload.de/img/20120913_auswahl_ksk_cfyts.jpg)

http://www.abload.de/thumb/image_12poc8w.jpg (http://www.abload.de/img/image_12poc8w.jpg) http://www.abload.de/thumb/image-274ubno3z7m.jpeg (http://www.abload.de/img/image-274ubno3z7m.jpeg) http://www.abload.de/thumb/mg_ksk_001_01uyu7z56cri.jpg (http://www.abload.de/img/mg_ksk_001_01uyu7z56cri.jpg)

http://www.abload.de/thumb/image_133ddqh.jpg (http://www.abload.de/img/image_133ddqh.jpg) http://www.abload.de/thumb/image_15a9ivt.jpg (http://www.abload.de/img/image_15a9ivt.jpg) http://www.abload.de/thumb/image_14a3izl.jpg (http://www.abload.de/img/image_14a3izl.jpg)

Steak-Sauce
11-14-2012, 02:09 PM
Outstanding pictures, writer! Keep it up.

writer
11-14-2012, 02:33 PM
http://www.abload.de/thumb/untitled-1dwxcpt9pkd.jpg (http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-1dwxcpt9pkd.jpg) http://www.abload.de/thumb/untitled-2fwbdgivobe.jpg (http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-2fwbdgivobe.jpg) http://www.abload.de/thumb/untitled-4fvx1hvzq65.jpg (http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-4fvx1hvzq65.jpg) http://www.abload.de/thumb/untitled-5jsbc9zxpe1.jpg (http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-5jsbc9zxpe1.jpg) http://www.abload.de/thumb/untitled-332zkj3joy7.jpg (http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-332zkj3joy7.jpg)

Storm_Trooper
11-14-2012, 02:43 PM
nice pics woot

muck
11-14-2012, 02:57 PM
Nice pics!
Just out of curiosity, what made low drag holsters go out of fashion?

Fennecus Zerda
11-16-2012, 03:03 PM
March 20km with one and you know the reason.

writer
12-16-2012, 02:29 PM
http://www.abload.de/img/image_303wioi.jpg


KSK p-)

seventy6er
12-26-2012, 05:39 PM
great pics! keep it up!

writer
01-22-2013, 03:44 AM
http://www.abload.de/thumb/coverumuxq.jpg (http://www.abload.de/img/coverumuxq.jpg)

(coming in march 2013)



http://www.abload.de/img/image_4683qvs.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/image_47ycrt0.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/image_480spp2.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/image_499mpuy.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/image_5028rdz.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/image_51sdpyx.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/image_52oirbv.jpg

writer
01-29-2013, 04:11 AM
http://www.abload.de/img/01kleinkmso5.png

http://www.abload.de/img/02kleinbos9w.png http://www.abload.de/img/05kleinecsua.png

http://www.abload.de/img/03kleinn8s0a.png

http://www.abload.de/img/04kleinyls1a.png

http://www.abload.de/img/06kleinsisin.png

writer
01-30-2013, 05:34 AM
http://www.abload.de/img/83hugi.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/4lbuo3.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/5amuhv.jpg

Steak-Sauce
01-30-2013, 05:40 AM
Nice pics, but where do you get them from? Any more additional information available about what's being shown there?

variable
01-30-2013, 05:49 AM
Obviously from military-consulting.de's catalogue. A surplus store.

Here's another one:

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/6968/hpgq.jpg

writer
02-23-2013, 06:10 AM
http://www.abload.de/img/image_438nsio.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/image_44gss6o.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/image_17lss8v.jpg

m4rs75
02-23-2013, 06:30 AM
Outstanding pics! Thank you writer (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?91717-writer). I'm looking forward to the book.



http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1033/operationpegasus.jpg

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/813/bild095web.jpg

LokisFeuer
02-27-2013, 01:15 AM
On the two pictures I see no indication that this could be Kreissparkasse!

m4rs75
02-27-2013, 05:20 AM
On the two pictures I see no indication that this could be Kreissparkasse!
Last two pics show DSO soldiers (plus MP and interpreter) after Operation Pegasus.

Dave76
02-28-2013, 04:14 AM
Kampfschwimmer from the 50s to the 90s:


http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw02eeqad.png


http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw01rxotc.png

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw03wkq9u.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw04drier.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw05k1d0j.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw06vwd3a.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw07cvfsg.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw08q5imp.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw09vnfyq.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw10gcc73.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw11aadnw.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw123npx6.png

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw13e2qtq.png

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw14mnrus.png

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw15hoqon.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw16v5pfl.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw17qtrt6.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw18xgq9a.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw19j4pu9.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw20dlq72.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw2129eaq.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw221qdrs.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw23acf35.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw245mdhp.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw25gtf7l.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw26xoda5.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw279id5g.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw2889c79.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw29rjikr.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw3077dh3.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw31xti86.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw32epc9n.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw333ud88.png

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw343koyu.png

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw35rneox.png

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw36r7ck4.png

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw37i4i0n.png

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw3820d5c.png

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw39hte1w.png

http://www.abload.de/img/kpfschw40g6fox.png

Steak-Sauce
02-28-2013, 04:25 AM
Outstanding pictures, Dave.

m4rs75
02-28-2013, 07:12 AM
Outstanding pictures, Dave.
x2

Thank you Dave76 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?13915-Dave76)!

muck
02-28-2013, 12:50 PM
Awesome how folks made do with non-gucci gear back in the day... thanks for posting these Dave.

muck
03-19-2013, 12:26 AM
German president Joachim Gauck visiting Israel; his adjutant (notice the beret badge and commando patch on his chest) is a KSK soldier. (...) It's a kind of debut; so far, only the respective General of the Special Forces would wear the uniform in public.What I didn't know back then of course: ironically, Colonel Dag Baehr is about to become the KSK's new commanding officer thus acting General of the Special Forces.

Link (http://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de/politik/Verbindungsoffizier-beim-Praesidialamt-wird-neuer-KSK-Chef-id24300331.html) (ticker note in German language)

writer
03-19-2013, 07:06 AM
http://www.abload.de/img/01vyar8.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/02x7z23.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/03rvax1.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/044bx23.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/05rsxsm.jpg

writer
03-21-2013, 06:14 AM
http://www.abload.de/img/1diutk.png

http://www.abload.de/img/2niulu.png

http://www.abload.de/img/3xtuob.png

http://www.abload.de/img/4axucc.png

http://www.abload.de/img/547uv2.png

http://www.abload.de/img/6aaujz.png

Lucied
03-21-2013, 09:07 AM
3rd pic
I see an AUG...is that Jagdkommando?

Steak-Sauce
03-21-2013, 01:40 PM
Could be joint Austrian-German training exercise. IIRC, there were some pictures posted a few pages back.

muck
03-21-2013, 01:49 PM
Nice pics, writer.
However could someone riddle me this: what's with the pixelated patches which appear every now and again? What could a patch possibly reveal that's capable of violating persec & opsec?

seventy6er
04-18-2013, 05:39 PM
great pics, thank you!!

writer
04-19-2013, 06:41 AM
EGB Fallschirmjäger in Afghanistan

http://abload.de/img/image-486118-galleryvtezfj.jpg

Steak-Sauce
04-19-2013, 04:05 PM
Nice. Got a hi-res for the Serval?

writer
04-19-2013, 04:28 PM
Sie haben Post!

Dave76
04-20-2013, 02:37 AM
Sie haben Post!
Why don't you post them here?

Lucied
04-20-2013, 10:05 AM
So the EGB also using G36 too? Always see them with G36K in KISOM mags.

philM.
04-21-2013, 07:17 AM
So the EGB also using G36 too? Always see them with G36K in KISOM mags.

The G36k is their standard weapon, that's right but sometimes especially when only parts of a unit deploy, they can't take all their stuff with them particulary weapon-related and otherwise sensitive material.
The use of G36k-handguards suggests that they brought those in their own luggage which can also be tricky upon return but nontheless is often done. You then just attach your personal parts such as handguards or rails to the weapon you get issued in country.

Lucied
04-23-2013, 01:45 PM
Thx for the explanation.

writer
04-27-2013, 08:17 AM
http://abload.de/img/01iiug3.jpg

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m4rs75
04-27-2013, 01:46 PM
Outstanding pics! Thank you, writer (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?91717-writer).



Why don't you post them here?
x2

GeroyiDnepra
04-27-2013, 02:16 PM
http://abload.de/img/191xui0.jpg



http://abload.de/img/21kruuo.jpg

http://abload.de/img/22o4uxd.jpg

Wow, they do carry a lot of things on them!! My god, how do you remembers where everything is put. Great photos! Thank you

seventy6er
04-27-2013, 02:16 PM
Outstanding pics! Thank you

x 2 outstanding pics, thx for posting!

flanker7
04-27-2013, 02:44 PM
http://abload.de/img/09kleini0udf.png

Seems that he is using some sort of G36 P-Mag.

Also, I notice that many of them have cut off those "clamp-together" things on their magazines

Cougar79
04-27-2013, 02:45 PM
http://abload.de/img/049uue4.jpg



Could someone elaborate pls?

wwjs
04-27-2013, 02:56 PM
Could someone elaborate pls?
I'd say training to shoot when rappelling down the building
http://oi42.*******.com/1p9c9k.jpg

Cougar79
04-27-2013, 03:08 PM
I'd say training to shoot when rappelling down the building
http://oi42.*******.com/1p9c9k.jpg


Thnx for the answer. Thought the same initially. On the other hand it would be a lot easier with the table since you could (and the guys in the pic do) use the table for stabilizing your shots. Nontheless possible.

Chomiq
04-27-2013, 03:10 PM
It seems like it's more about hand-eye coordination while seeing target upside down.

philM.
04-28-2013, 06:39 AM
Seems that he is using some sort of G36 P-Mag.

Also, I notice that many of them have cut off those "clamp-together" things on their magazines

Some of these guys, ususally the more gear interested use the PMAG30G, as it's called IIRC or even STANAG-adaptors on their G36k. As both parts are hard to come by in Germany hence the export restrictions for magazines from the USA, a lot of "normal" soldiers just clean their standard mags from most of the edges and the clamps and notches to make them more easy to handle. Those notches tend to cause friction with every magazine pouch, etc. Whilst some units still train the use of a double mag, it's generally considered unpractical now. Of course it would be a good idea to put two magazines together to get a quick first reload and when one mag is spent, just take it off and click on a fresh one. The problem is, in reality those notches are only good for the armourer, making it easy for him to store empty mags in the armoury... They easily fall off when attached to another and you're moving outside let's say the armoury or a "static and tidy" shooting range. That means you have to secure the two magazines attached to your weapon, either by a rubber band or tape, etc. That of course makes it unbearable to quickly change only one of the two magazines, so you always have to change both, which makes the whole idea worthless in the eyes of a lot of soldiers, including the Commandos it seems.

flanker7
04-29-2013, 04:24 AM
Thank you for the answer :-)

writer
04-29-2013, 06:15 AM
http://abload.de/img/image_57-kopiebrull.jpg

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Big Mo
04-30-2013, 05:48 AM
Wow, they do carry a lot of things on them!! My god, how do you remembers where everything is put. Great photos! Thank you

practise makes perfect....