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Collosus
03-01-2004, 06:52 PM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-1019652,00.html
Saddam’s sea of fire foiled by Polish SAS
Robert Winnett and Justin Sparks



IN a command bunker beneath the Ministry of Defence in London, Geoff Hoon and some of his most senior officials gathered to watch the first special forces mission of last year’s invasion of Iraq.
The night operation, one of the most daring and dangerous of the war, was relayed live to the defence secretary’s bunker from cameras monitoring the raid.



Details of the mission have been revealed for the first time by the Polish special forces who had the task of seizing an oil rig off the coast of Iraq. Their attack paved the way for the full invasion.

Intelligence reports suggested that Iraqi workers were under orders to blow up two oil rigs near the port of Umm Qasr when hostilities began. Had they succeeded, an oil spill could have set the Gulf ablaze and seriously hampered the invasion.

In a synchronised attack, one rig was to be seized by crack troops from America’s Delta Force. The other, 50 miles to the east, was to be taken by Grom, a Polish force trained and nurtured by Britain’s SAS.

“It was a mission with no margin for error,” said Darek, one of the Polish commandos on the raid. “Every second counted. We had to hit them and finish the job before they had a chance even to think about detonating explosives.”

On March 19, Darek and more than 20 other Polish commandos set out under cover of darkness in fast boats fitted with high-calibre machineguns. It was the third consecutive night that the unit, commanded by Colonel Roman Polko, had been ready to go. On the two preceding evenings the mission was halted at the last minute.

Finally, with Hoon and his officials watching, Grom — it is Polish for thunder — got the go-ahead. The plan was simple: the boat-based team would defuse any underwater explosives on the rig before a helicopter manned with a sniper swooped to kill or capture more than 40 Iraqi workers.

Grom soldiers have access to a devastating array of firepower; each unit carries Glock or Browning handguns, Uzi sub-machineguns, Tantal assault rifles and M203 grenade launchers.

The snipers can each choose their own favoured rifle and those used include the M86, PSG-1 and Hecate II.

As they approached the rig, the diving team moved into two dinghies powered by silent motors that would not alert the enemy.

At the rig frogmen checked for charges on the submerged oil pipeline, while commandos climbed underneath the giant steel structure. They quickly established that the intelligence had been correct — and carefully removed all the explosives.

Then a naval Black Hawk helicopter arrived carrying marksmen. It took them three minutes to kill the guards and secure the platform.

An SAS source said: “The Grom unit has an extremely good reputation and is often chosen for the most dangerous and daring raids. We work very closely with them and they are always unflinching in battle.”

After capturing the rig, Grom went into inland waterways deep in Iraq and created havoc behind enemy lines.

Even after the fall of Baghdad, Grom played a role in tracking down Saddam Hussein’s henchmen. They captured about 30 leaders on the “most wanted” list.

One high-ranking Ba’ath party official who was shot by Grom soldiers pleaded for his life in fluent Polish. “Our enemy spoke truly admirable Polish because he had studied at a military academy run by our communist generals,” said one commando.

“When we handed him over somebody remarked, ‘Those guys not only capture them but force them to learn Polish in just a couple of hours!’ ” The Polish operations in Iraq are to be turned into a Hollywood-backed film later this year. Retired commandos and officers who took part have agreed to co-operate and the production is expected to offer one of the most comprehensive insights yet into the secret world of special forces.

The decision by some former officers to reveal details of top-secret operations comes amid fears that Grom is about to be disbanded.

“I’d like to think that the film may help us,” said Slawomir Petelicki, a retired general who commanded the organisation, “but I fear it will only be a celluloid testament to what is one of the best special forces in the world.”

The unit’s high-profile success and close links to British and American intelligence has caused it to fall foul of the political establishment and become a “source of concern” for socialist politicians.

Seoulstriker
03-01-2004, 06:58 PM
OMG TEH DELTA FORCE IS TEHRE!!! woot


:D awesome. i love GROM too.

Falco
03-01-2004, 07:10 PM
Good job !!

wholagun
03-01-2004, 07:43 PM
Thank you, thank you. (takes a bow)

I can't belive they revealed something like this, thats the first thing that suprized me. Second thing that suprized me is that they used GROM and not the more experienced SAS or Seals, but whatever better for us :) .

LOL
‘Those guys not only capture them but force them to learn Polish in just a couple of hours!’ Thats so funny


The decision by some former officers to reveal details of top-secret operations comes amid fears that Grom is about to be disbanded.



Im not too sure thats true, they got a new leader because of disputes over the units purpose. Im not too worried if the old command which went to school in Moscow doesn't like GROM and gets rid of it in. In a few years once they're gone they will be replaced by younger western generals who will jsut go ahead and re-establish the unit. But I doubt they will ban GROM. Not only has the unit become a useful tool in our arsenal but also a symbol of national pride much like in the UK with the SAS. I really doubt they will be disbanded.

Kitsune
03-01-2004, 08:28 PM
Congratulations !!! woot

But...does Grom actually use the Uzi? :|

Anyway, good job. :D

wholagun
03-01-2004, 08:46 PM
http://www.imageshack.us/files1/Pm-84_1.gif

They are probably reffering to the Pm-84 Glauberyt. Its used extensivly by Polish police in Poland and iv also seen pics of military using it.

wholagun
03-01-2004, 10:09 PM
well as you guys al know GROM has access to the same western made weapons and equipment as any speical team in the world and use the most modern equipment, im sure you guys knew that though already.

Weapons of choice M4 and MP5's

MetalBoy
03-01-2004, 10:59 PM
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/gulf_war_2_iraqi_freedom_navy_seals_polish_special_forces_grom/seals_and_polish_sf_1_001.jpg
Kto (który) jest wasz ojciec?

Marmot1
03-01-2004, 11:07 PM
WTF???
UZI, Tantal??? they do not use it... tantal is 5.45mm and you belive it is used by NATO member SF??? What an idiot written this article??? :cantbeli:

WTF???

force trained and nurtured by Britain’s SAS.
Yes there was support 14y ago from US and GB SF but GROM is training independently for last 13 yeast of course they have joint trainings but nit trained by :cantbeli:


WTF??? :cantbeli: Do you belive he intervieved GROM operators??? No polish newspeer did it to this time except one visit of GROM operators in TV programs like 6years ago. And you belive british journalists were allowed to interviev them and discus mission??? :cantbeli:


One high-ranking Ba’ath party official who was shot by Grom soldiers pleaded for his life in fluent Polish. “Our enemy spoke truly admirable Polish because he had studied at a military academy run by our communist generals,” said one commando.


“It was a mission with no margin for error,” said Darek, one of the Polish commandos on the raid. “Every second counted. We had to hit them and finish the job before they had a chance even to think about detonating explosives.”


Wher did you get that guy who wrote this article since to me it is nice piece of SCIENCE FICTION he based on some real info and colourized it with the help of internet or other source.. best exampes are UZI and Tantal... Sorry total BS

wholagun
03-01-2004, 11:07 PM
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/gulf_war_2_iraqi_freedom_navy_seals_polish_special_forces_grom/seals_and_polish_sf_1_001.jpg
Kto (który) jest wasz ojciec?


:lol: Are you Polish?

for our fellow non Polish speaking forumers it means "whose your daddy"

wholagun
03-01-2004, 11:10 PM
WTF???
UZI, Tantal??? they do not use it... tantal is 5.45mm and you belive it is used by NATO member SF??? What an idiot written this article??? :cantbeli:

WTF???

force trained and nurtured by Britain’s SAS.
Yes there was support 14y ago from US and GB SF but GROM is training independently for last 13 yeast of course they have joint trainings but nit trained by :cantbeli:


WTF??? :cantbeli: Do you belive he intervieved GROM operators??? No polish newspeer did it to this time except one visit of GROM operators in TV programs like 6years ago. And you belive british journalists were allowed to interviev them and discus mission??? :cantbeli:


One high-ranking Ba’ath party official who was shot by Grom soldiers pleaded for his life in fluent Polish. “Our enemy spoke truly admirable Polish because he had studied at a military academy run by our communist generals,” said one commando.


“It was a mission with no margin for error,” said Darek, one of the Polish commandos on the raid. “Every second counted. We had to hit them and finish the job before they had a chance even to think about detonating explosives.”


Wher did you get that guy who wrote this article since to me it is nice piece of SCIENCE FICTION he based on some real info and colourized it with the help of internet or other source.. best exampes are UZI and Tantal... Sorry total BS

**** you beat me too it, I was gonna post it but I didn't ppl to think im a post whore by having 5 posts all back to back. ****..

Marmot1
03-01-2004, 11:34 PM
:lol:

Ok here is pic taken after this action when Iraq POWs were transfered into US hands... no UZI no Tantal... MP5... Yes! M4... Yes!
http://grom.pliki.fm.interia.pl/grom291.jpg
http://grom.pliki.fm.interia.pl/grom290.jpg
Here with US SF (Delta?) Again no UZI no Tantal...
http://grom.pliki.fm.interia.pl/grom288.jpg

MetalBoy
03-01-2004, 11:58 PM
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/gulf_war_2_iraqi_freedom_navy_seals_polish_special_forces_grom/seals_and_polish_sf_1_001.jpg
Kto (który) jest wasz ojciec?


:lol: Are you Polish?

for our fellow non Polish speaking forumers it means "whose your daddy"

www.poltran.com :lol: sadly no I don''t speak Polish, but I am taking a class on Post Communist Poland so I knowhow tough the language is. :D

Dennis79
03-02-2004, 05:02 AM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20030627-9999_1m27seals.html

Here's the SEAL-article.

fantassin
03-02-2004, 05:11 AM
As for the description of weapons used by GROM, it looks like the author of this article used a series of articles published about two years ago by Carl Schultz in France in RAIDS and in the UK by Combat and Survival (that had the exact same pics in the two BTW).

Those articles showed many weapons with a predominance of M4 and MP5 but there were also PKMs MG and PGM Hécate II .50 cal sniper rifles from France.

The end of the story is that if you keep all the RAIDS from the beginning of that magazine (1986) you end up with an incredible collection of pictures.

mack pl
03-02-2004, 05:27 AM
GROM weapons-sniper rifles:Hecate II 12,7mm, HK PSG1, SR 25 7,62mm, Remington700, Mauser86 7,62mm.Rifels-Colt M4a1 RIS SOPMOD(primary weapon),SIG550,HK G36 machine pistol-HK MP5(SD) pistols-HK USP(primary weapon),few other models of pistols(Sig sauer,Glock),but HK is primary, shotguns-Remington870P.No Tantal,Beryl,Uzi etc.BTW in this article was something about snipers in Blackhawks,i dont think GROM snipers need 3 minutes to kill guard in platform.GROM have something about 60 operations in Iraq last year-information from polish defense minister Szmajdzinski.But we have any information what kind of operations it was.So, maybe some parts of this article was truth,but i guess this journalist know **** about GROM.But i like to hear good things about ours SF woot Regards.