Waffen SS troops

[insumiso]

Dude, believe me... Those three are members of tank units of the Heer, not the Waffen-SS. Take a closer look at their uniforms..


I think you are right, the breast eagle gives one of them away...

SS troops wore it on their left arm

[Karo]

Yes, they also had another type of eagle on their hats (one with a skull), but also another type of skulls on their collars.

[STuG]

Yes, they also had another type of eagle on their hats (one with a skull), but also another type of skulls on their collars.


As has been pointed out, there are three pictured members of the Heer mixed into the above posts.The most obvious clues are indeed the breast eagles, the cap eagles and national cockades...

As the SS expanded, the Panzerjacke they were issued also had a subtle redesign and was cut in a manner that differentiated it from its Heer cousin,this was as a result of them starting their own procurement and manufacturing processes (the forced labour of Dachau and Ravensbruck KZ spring to mind here....)

With regard to the quoted comment, SS Panzer troops wore the runic tab on their lapel with their corresponding rank tab (not skulls) with the obvious exception being the "Totenkopf" Division.

[Bachelor]

Hey men! You are mistaken!
Read documents and books. Specially for you. Look at my photos... The Pass of Waffen SS. Man served in Air Force (Luftwaffe), Army (Wermaht) and then in tank units (Panzer Grenadier). He was the Hauptman.... and Rottenfuhrer in Waffen SS Panzer Grenadier Ausbildungs Bataillon. The stamp (inkpress) has inscription - Waffen SS in top and 7./SS Pz Gren Ausb Btl 10 in bottom. Look at date 08.08.44.
And more... Look at the letter... Same... The stamp (inkpress) has inscription - Waffen SS in top and SS Pz Gren Ausb u Ers Btl 10 (Panzer Grenadier Ausbildungs und Ersatz Bataillon) in bottom.
And more... The skull-cockade on Uniform cap and skull-signs on buttonholes (collar)... Yes, different... Big and small... But they have same Waffen SS uniform. And tankers plus had more special uniform... Look at SS-Obersturmfuehrer Michael Wittmann. We know: German Panzer ace Michael Wittmann was the most famous tank commander in World War II, destroying 138 enemy tanks and 132 anti-tank guns with his Tiger. We can see Wittmann in Waffen SS uniform and in special tanker uniform...
And more... SS-Obersturmfuehrer Willi Hein SS-Panzerdivision "Wiking"... Next photos...
Panzer units are Waffen SS...

http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/9949/post2181162973272thumbwg3.jpg

http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/7210/post2181162973065thumbai1.jpg

http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/2267/post2181162973115thumbvm4.jpg

http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/9720/04b725rs8.jpg

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/9643/januar285cy3.jpg

http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/8338/juli1349as3.jpg

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/9906/juli1350gd4.jpg

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/8375/ssobersturmfuehrermichahy1.jpg

http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/986/wittmanbn7.jpg

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/797/michaelwittmannonhistanbn0.jpg

http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/6060/witt601jn6.jpg

http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/1580/photo13sa0.jpg

http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/236/photo4fr4.jpg

http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/6857/photo12mm3.jpg

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/3716/wittmannrussia1943ef5.jpg

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/8744/heinwillikh0.jpg

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/8397/ssobersturmfuehrerwillipg6.jpg

[Karo]

Sorry i dont really understand what you are trying to say to us. The three man above are definitely wearing Heer uniforms.

[simple jumper]

There were Panzer troops is the Waffen SS, Heer (as some of the chaps above were pictured....those with skulls on each collar, as opposed to the 3rd SS who wore a distinctive skull only on their right collar, and rank on the left) and finally Luftwaffe Pz units.
Just cause it's black doesn't mean SS

[Karo]

At an early stage the Totenkopf front units wore the typical SS skull on both collars, btw.

Heres an example pic:

http://slesvigske.dk/110.jpg

[Eztyga]

The same sort of confusion during WW2 led to the demise of some German takers who were mistaken for SS because of the collar skulls, and thus summarily executed.

Regards;

Ezy

[Bachelor]

My fault. I have thought that you speak that SS tank units are not Waffen SS and it different part of SS. Sorry!!!
Probably you are right. They simply (Wehrmacht) tankers (on photos)...
My info about... The official stamp tank units has inscription Waffen SS. Upon this official acknowledgement of an accessory of SS tank units to Waffen SS. My example - Michael Wittmann and Willi Hein. They have SS uniform and tank uniform. I know that in cap of Waffen SS tanker there was the skull and Wehrmacht's tanker had the "circle". And more. Buttonholes (on collar) - runes on the right and sign on the left. Different Epaulets. Signs Waffen SS always embroidered with threads. I did not see metal fleeces and skulls in buttonholes (on collar).
The black "working" uniform at tankers was for battle. The usual uniform of the simple (Wehrmacht) tankers was as at military men of Wehrmacht but with differed epaulets and signs. Tankers of Waffen SS have "working" tank's uniform and SS uniform.
German military have tank units in Waffen SS and in Wehrmacht....

http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/7526/clip43resizebz5.jpg

http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/729/6299507thumbdt6.jpg

http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/301/november1212tj0.jpg

http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/4075/november1213mc0.jpg

http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/2247/november1214hs4.jpg

http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/1665/november1218cn5.jpg

[Eztyga]

That is partially correct...

They were the only combat forces in the Euopean theater to were camo... Merrils marauders and some marine recon teams in the pacific wore camo when they were island hopping... and from what I read it was pretty effective.

What about all the Splinter pattern uniforms used by the Wehrmacht? Plus "tan and water" 1943 and 1944 varients? Practically every soldat was issued with a camo zeltbahn. Hermann Goering Division (later Corp) was issued with both the Luftwaffe varient of the splinter pattern and SS smocks.

The Brits airborne units used a camo smock. US Rangers in the initial stages of Overlord used the "duck-hunter" cams until they started taking casualties due to being mistaken for Waffen-SS.

With regards to the Pacific, practically every Marine that stepped on a Pacific island wore the "duck-hunter" cams.

Merrils Marauders didn't use an official pattern uniform, it was fatigues dyed jungle green and black.

Even units of the New Zealand army came up with their own design of uniform, jungle fatigues sprayed with dye (see below) for their Pacific campaigns.

Regards;

Ezy

[STuG]

All very true.

Lets also not forget the use of British "windproof" pattern camo smocks and trousers (in limited use,but issued garments nontheless) in the closing stages of the N.W.European campaign.

Also, let us not forget the introduction in 1929 by the Italians of the first camoflage shelter quarter.

I have to address a few earlier postings that cause a little confusion also.

In post #1005 you will see a few entries circled from a Wehrpass.
These entries do not correspond in any way to a tank crew.

SS Panzer Grenadier Ersatz Battalion 10, Stammkompanie.
(SS Armoured Infantry Replacement Battalion 10, Staff Company)

His next posting was to:

SS Panzer Grenadier Ausbildung Battalion 10.
(SS Armoured Infantry Training Battalion 10)

I use the term "armoured infantry" as a literal English translation.

As you are no doubt aware, infantry transported into and from battle in half-tracks do not make them tank crew...

His final military posting has even less to do with tanks...he spends his final days as a member of the guard battalion at the Sachsenhausen Concentration Camp as part of the Totenkopfverbande.

Just added in the interests of historical clarity.

[drakegoodman]

http://Castlemaine-Boy.smugmug.com/photos/198039792-O.jpg

[Bachelor]

In post #1005 you will see a few entries circled from a Wehrpass.
These entries do not correspond in any way to a tank crew.

SS Panzer Grenadier Ersatz Battalion 10, Stammkompanie.
(SS Armoured Infantry Replacement Battalion 10, Staff Company)

His next posting was to:

SS Panzer Grenadier Ausbildung Battalion 10.
(SS Armoured Infantry Training Battalion 10)

I use the term "armoured infantry" as a literal English translation.

As you are no doubt aware, infantry transported into and from battle in half-tracks do not make them tank crew...

His final military posting has even less to do with tanks...he spends his final days as a member of the guard battalion at the Sachsenhausen Concentration Camp as part of the Totenkopfverbande.

Just added in the interests of historical clarity.

Thanks! Interesting correction and addition!


http://www.myemailemoticons.com/drop_down/communicate/communicate_21.gif


Stamp on the letter:
SS Pz Gren Ausb u Ers Btl 10 (Panzer Grenadier Ausbildungs und Ersatz Bataillon 10)
mean in English - SS Armored Infantry Training and Replacement Battalion 10.

[Bachelor]

Pushkin town, Leningrad (Saint-Petersburg) region, Russia 1941-1945.... Aleksandrov palace...

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/5917/index2ti7.jpg


http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/3753/index22lb3.jpg

[Bachelor]

And...

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/3572/sstabs1zy7.jpg

[Bachelor]

More photos...

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/8467/2873697410096466526xwkdfw3.jpg

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/2121/2398555130096466526fkfequ4.jpg

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/4061/2114335340096466526uogqwt1.jpg

[Bachelor]

To k98_man:
I have problem to receive private messages and answer on your questions. I can't to receve message to you, because infomess inform me - " k98_man has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages".
http://www.myemailemoticons.com/drop_down/emoticon_expressions/emoticon_exp_43.gif

[Bachelor]

Motorcycle.
The Order for the Ukrainian population on an occupied territory.
The notice on death.
and....

"dog tab"

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/6513/f6376d23e764lq4.jpg

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/8067/a41c904c3c34aa2.jpg

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/9759/obj1568is7.jpg

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2868/obj2376zy7.jpg

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3629/obj2377vi7.jpg

[Bachelor]

Photo///

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/1613/september07548cq8.jpg


http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/6752/september07531fb1.jpg

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/8981/september07550jf5.jpg

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/805/september07551dt1.jpg

[oregongrunt]

http://i2.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/bc/5b/b7bc_12.JPG
on ebay.de

[mikcem]

Are you bidding on that photo??

[drakegoodman]

The fellow in the dot pattern trousers appears to be carrying a MAB 38/49 (Beretta)? Opinions invited.

[mikcem]

This an Original private Photo part of a collection I purchased privately in Germany . The original owner served in the Totenkopf Division as a Kradmelder in a Schwere Infanterie Geschuetz Zug

[mikcem]

Here are two photos from the collection .. These are private photos which I purchased in Germany some time ago ,notice Totenkopf insignie on Krad Sidecar Both these photos are from an album ....

[Bachelor]

Known photos.

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/1480/2008579230096466526tuxjms3.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/4088/2058966320096466526jdyppw1.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/7002/2081406440096466526jatlkm4.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/5197/2203679640096466526pzitlu6.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9107/2216819770096466526gnfqnu6.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/8027/2337704460096466526auhrli6.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/1646/2357277120096466526anfdrf7.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/5210/2405961420096466526ywdcne8.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/6010/2454827290096466526yzlwrk3.jpg

[Bachelor]

and more....

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9625/2619798280096466526iejccd8.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/6320/2814286520096466526cqyyfv7.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3794/2820305240096466526ytxvbj8.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/2093/2820582970096466526gzkdgo7.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/963/2827182950096466526knrnzu4.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3043/2850732480096466526jlebzv7.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/1699/2865238260096466526cwtuny6.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9272/2904177270096466526jqbpww3.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3503/2975754380096466526ddjjto0.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/2286/2059438610096466526rxqnrs4.jpg

[Bachelor]

Next photos....

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/8232/2964082310096466526aqkydt3.jpg

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/668/2159065100096466526nwbbvs3.jpg

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/7348/2948869150096466526otezvp9.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/6147/2372480590096466526ocpwgc4.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/5805/2750835980096466526kkdlva6.jpg

[Bachelor]

and next...


http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/939/2588774890096466526nidyoj4.jpg


http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1919/qwee344nu8.jpg

[Bachelor]

Next....

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/1926/september07273bn9.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/4968/september07274rn9.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/299/september07275aj0.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/730/september07277iu1.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/1214/september07278vn1.jpg

[Polygon]

Just wanted to say- great period photos above!

[Bachelor]

Next......

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6264/32306159fp7.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6822/63160716lz5.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9099/52511845yd7.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3108/34063688ww1.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8199/62490575wv1.jpg

[Freibier]

Great pics gentlemen!
There are quite a few that I haven't seen before!

[Bachelor]

And one....

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6695/traditionsstickpin01at7.jpg

[Bachelor]

And more....

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3590/octobre07297lw7.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2696/octobre07298hu8.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5999/octobre07301yj6.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6763/octobre07304ca8.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3816/octobre07307qk9.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4236/octobre07310cf7.jpg

[Freibier]

and next...



http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1919/qwee344nu8.jpg
this pic didn't show up when I open the page the first time.
Please tell me you're no grave robber ... :|

[Lion of War]

Not sure if already posted since this is very long pages but any information or footage of Iranian volunteers.I have some but they are only of Hitler meeting with Iranians and Mussolini meeting.

[Bachelor]

And more....

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3590/octobre07297lw7.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3816/octobre07307qk9.jpg




http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6984/auterfanssalbum05ov7.jpg

[Bachelor]

this pic didn't show up when I open the page the first time.
Please tell me you're no grave robber ... :|


No. I'm not...
It photo is more symbolical.
We come from anywhere and we leave in anywhere...

[Bachelor]

And photos....

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/4459/valisfs2.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5723/luftgroupnursefunnypd0.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2074/d0a1d0a14wl1.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5328/0102097311000cv7.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9017/0102097310700bl4.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8198/0102097311400lw4.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9420/0102097313100sy6.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/458/004zdak6ib9.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/7852/0102097397700eo0.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2416/0102097398300qo3.jpg

[Freibier]

No. I'm not...
It photo is more symbolical.
We come from anywhere and we leave in anywhere...
Ok, you had me worried there for a second :)
Anyway, I'm impressed by the sheer number of pics you got here, great collection, thanks again!

[Lion of War]

Iranian volunteers.

http://www.iranian.com/Pictory/2004/November/Images/nazi.jpg

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/8648/hitlerdt2.jpg

1939, Berlin, Germany: From left, موسا نوری اسفندیاری [Musa Nuri Esfandiâri] Iranian Ambassador to Germany and حسن اسفندیاری [Hasan Esfandiâri], Speaker of Iranian Parliament visiting Hitler.

[jklv]

Hi guys, first thanks for all the pics for posting them. I remember I saw this guy(s)in a real picture or in a video.
http://www.merit-intl.com/month/5-15-03/tam/tam36306.jpg
or
http://www.geocities.com/shadow_bitten/Waffen_SS/poster1.jpg
It seems to be in the eastern front in the early stages 1941-1942 due to their uniforms being that clean.
Does anyone know where can I find it?
I love the German uniforms of that time, in my opinion the best looking of WWII if there were still manufacturers of it I'll surely order mine =P

[Bachelor]

SS Ladys...

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1852/silhonclasswomenaux01nd8.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5240/silhonclasswomenaux09kf8.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9620/004zcwxfbs1.jpg

[Bachelor]

and - SS beer....

"Zum Wohl!!!"

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/8785/anssbotfromdakraut01gq3.jpg

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7244/anssbotfromdakraut02tx9.jpg

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/9963/anssbotfromdakraut03qu7.jpg

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/3537/ssjulfestbeerglass01de6.jpg

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/5877/ssjulfestbeerglass02eo6.jpg

[Bachelor]

Interesting award. Second from the left SS man... The Star. I think it Spanish...???


http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/51/0102097312300cm9.jpg

[Hecatonchiros]

Interesting award. Second from the left SS man... The Star. I think it Spanish...???


http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/51/0102097312300cm9.jpg

Dunno, but I'm pretty sure that's dr. Mengele on the far left.

[Bachelor]

Post cards...

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9403/567sc7.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6772/7886dv3.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9942/56784fq0.jpg

And photo...

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9754/678899sy6.jpg

[2T046B5]

and - SS beer....

"Zum Wohl!!!"

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/8785/anssbotfromdakraut01gq3.jpg

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7244/anssbotfromdakraut02tx9.jpg

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/9963/anssbotfromdakraut03qu7.jpg

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/3537/ssjulfestbeerglass01de6.jpg

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/5877/ssjulfestbeerglass02eo6.jpg




Well, I saw this these summer in Italy:
They also got it with Stalin and Mussolini

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd95/2T046B5/beer1.jpg


:bash::slap::roll:...sad!

[Kreigsberichter]

Dunno, but I'm pretty sure that's dr. Mengele on the far left.

The award is the turkish Gallapoli star, as far I understood it it pretty much serves the same purpose as the iron Cross.

[johanness]

Dunno, but I'm pretty sure that's dr. Mengele on the far left.

Yes,you're right. It's Josef Mengele. Next to him Rudolf Höss (Kommandant Auschwitz), then Josef Kramer (Kommandant Birkenau).

May this bastards burn in hell

[Bachelor]

Next photos...

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/8040/auterfanssalbum04up8.jpg

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/5699/auterfanssalbum06oi8.jpg

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/365/auterfanssalbum10dg0.jpg

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/8092/auterfanssalbum13nu4.jpg

[jklv]

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9942/56784fq0.jpg


Nebelwerfer or Panzerwerfer?

[jklv]

1st SS Division Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler, awesome uniform the most beautiful IMHO
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/77/LSAH.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/05/LSSAH_Parade_1936.jpg
Now in rugged combat gear p-)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a7/LSSAH_-_Holland_1940.jpg/425px-LSSAH_-_Holland_1940.jpg
Sorry if repost

PS: Do you guys know where could I find nice SS wallpapers?

[mxw99]

[quote=~~~~;1599509]none of those recruiting posters is from Poland. and you won't find any poster like this written in polish just because there is no way a Pole could enlist those bastards.

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2487/hhinpolen5py.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
zobacz poczytaj - masz i niemasz racji

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/pl!gv39.html (http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/pl%21gv39.html)

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/../images/p/pl%21goral.gif (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/../images/p/pl%21goral.gif)

[mxw99]

see

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/pl!gv39.html

[Bachelor]

Nebelwerfer or Panzerwerfer?

I think Nebelwerfer on the Postcard...

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7333/nebelwerferfiressm9.jpg


Panzerwerfer....


http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3816/2184dh1.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5391/15cmpanzerxx1.jpg

[jklv]

I think Nebelwerfer on the Postcard...

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7333/nebelwerferfiressm9.jpg


Panzerwerfer....


http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3816/2184dh1.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5391/15cmpanzerxx1.jpg
Thanks. ;)

[wales]

Karos Fascination with the Nazis knows now bounds, I bet he has EVa Braun posters on his wall.

[wales]

I say the odds are that Karo has parents who were in the Waffen SS that is why he is always defending the Nazis. It is good the Soviets ki8lled allot of Waffen SS people.

[Bachelor]

Nebelwerfer....

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/2356/2193464530096466526qinkmj1.jpg

[Bachelor]

Yes. It is mad(sick) to do fetish of Waffen SS's things. Waffen SS were aggressors and have killed many people. The Soviet soldiers kick ass of Waffen SS. But it was very hardly. They were responsible for harm, murder and crimes. Posters and wallpapers of Waffen SS it's not cleverly now. Hmmm... We must to think about reality of Waffen SS. Though fascism propagation is forbidden by the law. Same... May be some people want wallpapers with them photo and inscription "I'm st--pid"... These are their head's problems. I cannot help them. I'm not a doctor.

I know some historical page where you can found wallpapers of Waffen SS...

http://www.nazireich.net/index.php?option=com_datsogallery&Itemid=49&func=viewcategory&catid=19&startpage=1

http://www.nazireich.net/index.php?option=com_datsogallery&Itemid=49&func=viewcategory&catid=19&startpage=2


http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/91/waffenssqw4.jpg

[Bachelor]

photos...

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/6638/auterfanssalbum37fn7.jpg

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/1686/auterfanssalbum43yb6.jpg

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/549/auterfanssalbum63zd2.jpg

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/9160/eeee0037sl6wu9.jpg

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/7421/ssopenerpg22js3.jpg

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/4035/auterfanssalbum76yv1.jpg

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/8383/pohley3.jpg

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/4322/callsenhimmtotenhonringmf9.jpg

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/7622/1936chainedssdagger15kl8.jpg

[jklv]

Thanks for the pics. I am not nazi I just like the militaria of the WWII German army, and the SS ones were nice. But I do not agree with Nazism or Fascism.

[kongman]

Thanks for the pics. I am not nazi I just like the militaria of the WWII German army, and the SS ones were nice. But I do not agree with Nazism or Fascism.


i had a relative who servered in a ss unit in WW2 and he only did it because the living conditions food and pay were all better than the reg army ....he said i few other guys did the same thing .....

[Bachelor]

To jklv (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=35423) :
No problemo! I am interested in militaria too.

To kongman (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=23595) :
I agree. It was time of choice. If we have lived in past time we must did some choice... People have made the choice. We know people not SS's members but they have made a lot of the bad and terrible. I have no acquaintances or relatives in SS. I am interested in history. I have lot of interesting and have big collection of the Soviet Air forces things too. I and my relatives was served in the Soviet AF. History of usual people it is very interesting. Things it is Memory.
There is no bad in photos and subjects from history (if it not a bomb). If during Crusades-Pirates there would be video or photo that we have looked those photos-moves with interest. But...

[Bachelor]

Pretty ladies in SS...

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5973/568382c18386yc7.jpg

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4408/9884667f6228fi8.jpg


and not of SS, cos was soo young...

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3412/bdm11200709282004437682ut1.jpg

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5476/bdm9200709282012996219pa3.jpg

WoW..!!! http://www.cheesebuerger.net/images/more/bigs/c029.gif Hey, Ladyssss!!! http://www.cheesebuerger.net/images/more/bigs/a093.gif http://www.cheesebuerger.net/images/more/bigs/c009.gif http://www.cheesebuerger.net/images/more/bigs/a130.gif
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8880/boi35200709292017404404lr4.jpg

http://www.cheesebuerger.net/images/more/bigs/a102.gif Where are the ladys? I'm looking through MG's sight...

[Bachelor]

Next photos of Waffen SS men...


http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3459/waffenss102007092913608yx9.jpg


http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/5194/waffenss112007092913119hd7.jpg

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/6232/waffenss122007092918950vt1.jpg

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/6821/waffenss132007092911334kd3.jpg

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/1157/waffenss142007092919559jo1.jpg

[Bachelor]

SS men's faces....

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6435/waffenss152007092919368hu7.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3520/waffenss162007092918820nc0.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3861/waffenss412007092920375pr9.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6619/wschumacher000240zalm9.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9720/waffenss252007092920445ut8.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4084/waffenss242007092917339ao3.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2518/waffenss272007092916588wr6.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3088/waffenss282007092920583we0.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2126/waffenss342007092918724vo4.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/8941/waffenss402007092911763pt0.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7653/waffenss362007092919797pt7.jpg

[Wotan]

I have a long text about Italians in Waffen SS, but it's in Italian language and I've not enough time to translate it.

If you think it's useful I will post as is.

woot

[Crassus]

http://eestileegion.com/images/korpus2.JPG


http://eestileegion.com/images/korpus01.jpg

http://eestileegion.com/images/korpus5.JPG

http://eestileegion.com/images/korpus8.JPG

http://eestileegion.com/images/korpus10.JPG

http://eestileegion.com/images/lahing2.JPG

http://eestileegion.com/images/lahing3.JPG

http://eestileegion.com/images/lahing6.JPG

http://eestileegion.com/images/lahing9.JPG

http://eestileegion.com/images/lahing10.JPG

http://eestileegion.com/images/lahing11.JPG

[Eztyga]

Pretty ladies in SS...



Umm, what SS ladies? The top picture is of females in railway uniforms (see collar tab) and the one below that is a a women from a signals section, hence the 'blitz' symbol on her tie.

Ezy

[Wotan]

Pretty ladies in SS...

SS had no ladies.

[Bachelor]

SS had no ladies.

Yes! Not on military service in SS.
It was forbidden to serve in Wehrmacht and SS for German women. German policy to women - "Die Kirche, die Kueche, die Kinder".
But they was like "Helferinnen des Heer"..., civil service in SS...
Rank of Ladys:

Anwaerterin
Helferin
Oberhelferin
Forhelferin
Fuehrerin
Oberfuehrerin
Stabsfuehrerin
Oberstabsfuehrerin
Wachtfuehrerin
Oberwachtfuehrerin
Hauptfuehrerin
Feldfuehrerin
Oberfeldfuehrerin
Oberstfeldfuehrerin
General- fuehrerin
General-hauptfuehrerin


http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1852/silhonclasswomenaux01nd8.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5240/silhonclasswomenaux09kf8.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9017/0102097310700bl4.jpg

[Wotan]

I ment Waffen SS had no ladies.

Sorry.

;)

[Bachelor]

I ment Waffen SS had no ladies.

Sorry.

;)

Had, but only on civil service in Waffen SS.... Not on military service...
Last photo it is party of Waffen SS "Totenkopf". Men and woman of serving guard duties of one Concentration camp.

[Wotan]

Waffen wasn't military service?

;)

[Bachelor]

Waffen wasn't military service?

;)

Military men serve in army. Civil work in army. It's a difference (one of).
For example. In the Russian army there are military doctors and civil doctors. Military doctors serve and have military ranks. Civil doctors work. They have no military ranks. They not a member of Russian Army. They have different duties, posts, salary.
Or an example. I am dismissed(retired) from army on pension by old, but I was arranged to work on military base with my mil colleges. I'm civil, haven't rank... If will be war I'll be near military. But I'll be in Army not like military man. Women in Waffen SS same...
Women performed auxiliary work in Waffen SS. I don't know it word in Eng, but in Rus it mean " ne kadrovye"(не в кадре, не кадровые).

[Wotan]

Understand.

Thanks a lot.

[Bachelor]

And more...

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7813/archiv26200709291068012pz3.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/152/archiv27200709292096599cf7.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2029/archiv28200709291852100so0.jpg

[Switek]

And more...

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7813/archiv26200709291068012pz3.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/152/archiv27200709292096599cf7.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2029/archiv28200709291852100so0.jpg

Damn! KL staff :bash:

[Crassus]

http://eestileegion.com/images/lahing13.JPG

http://eestileegion.com/images/lahing8.JPG

Theodor "Teddy" Wisch, Third battle of Kharkov

http://eestileegion.com/images/lahing15.JPG

Sepp Dietrich

http://eestileegion.com/images/lahing16.JPG

http://eestileegion.com/images/lahing17.JPG

Vae Victis!

http://eestileegion.com/images/lahing18.JPG

[Loki77]

http://www.liveleak.com/i/df2_1194636828 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=df2_1194636828 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d79_1194639548 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d79_1194639548

[Loki77]

http://www.liveleak.com/i/23c_1194640027 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=23c_1194640027 http://www.liveleak.com/i/ebc_1194640582 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ebc_1194640582

[Loki77]

http://www.liveleak.com/i/b31_1194641102 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b31_1194641102

[Bachelor]

Face....

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5936/index26xy9.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2207/waffenss220070929182860ff0.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7707/waffenss720070929115047cq7.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/948/waffenss422007092917265ww2.jpg

[Bachelor]

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2629/archiv42007092917357774tt1.jpg

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9395/archiv22007092918290770zw1.jpg

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1948/archiv12007092913939205ct9.jpg

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5766/archiv72007092911026155nz9.jpg

[khalifah]

I'm Curious...
When there were kids in the Hitler Youth, where they assigned into the SS units, and not just into regular army units?

[Zulu 5 Bravo]

That is partially correct...

They were the only combat forces in the Euopean theater to were camo... Merrils marauders and some marine recon teams in the pacific wore camo when they were island hopping... and from what I read it was pretty effective.

American forces in Europe were going to be issued camoflage uniforms for the D-day invasion, but when it was learned that SS units were wearing camoflage they changed their minds. OSS units operating in France with the Free French forces did were them though.

[Name Taken]

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/JohnMatrix_photos/Engineers.jpg

I've been told these are US engineers, although I think they look more like Marines. The setting is difficult to know, but I've also been told ETO.

I was wondering if someone could clarify their branch of service and, if possible, the theater of operations.

[Zulu 5 Bravo]

It's difficult to tell. The soldier wearing canvas leggings might help though. I think these were worn more by Marines in the Pacific than Army soldiers in Europe.

[STuG]

I was wondering if someone could clarify their branch of service and, if possible, the theater of operations.


These are part of a famous series of photographs showing members of the 41st Armored Infantry Regiment of the 2nd Armoured Division in France wearing the Army 2 piece uniform

These uniforms were worn for a very short period of time, numbering weeks in July 1944 before they were withdrawn from service.
It has been suggested that they were withdrawn due to pilots mistaking the camo for the enemy, although veterans recollect coming under fire on the ground from other Allied (US) units who were unfamiliar with US camouflage garments and naturally mistook them for German troops.

In the first famous photograph you can see half a German messkit on the window, and on the floor a German water bottle can be seen.
The second photograph shows classic French streets also.

I have more of this series lost on my hardrive somewhere i shall try to find them.....

[Name Taken]

Great response, thank you!

[Hutz]

Powerful image. Wonder what happened after.



http://eestileegion.com/images/lahing10.JPG

[Bato]

Hey Bachelor (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=36936) any photo of SS Skanderbeg?

[Havoc345]

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/JohnMatrix_photos/Engineers.jpg

I've been told these are US engineers, although I think they look more like Marines. The setting is difficult to know, but I've also been told ETO.

I was wondering if someone could clarify their branch of service and, if possible, the theater of operations.

Regardless those look much more badass than the Khaki and late issued Olive Drab. Of course it not about what looks cool but what works.

[Bachelor]

some photos....


in Italy or Spain...

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/6344/0001wp4.jpg

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/334/49069249ld8.jpg

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/8216/53329646cb5.jpg

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/1836/38343536ep2.jpg

simply tanker..., some where in Russia... last day of life...


and next photo, tanker of Waffen SS...


http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/8697/503jg4.jpg


http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/3188/10090207yf4.jpg

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/7800/121xi2.jpg

[Bachelor]

and///

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4791/115123557vl8.jpg

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4668/115123568hq9.jpg

[Bachelor]

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6125/115123576fs1.jpg

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/7652/115123586wz1.jpg

[Bachelor]

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9053/115123603zf3.jpg

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1498/115123638xo9.jpg

[Bachelor]

?????

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/458/95103506vc2.jpg

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/7317/115123648lt1.jpg

[Bachelor]

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4517/115123680st8.jpg

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3275/115123685cg8.jpg

[Bachelor]

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5003/115123705tc0.jpg

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5275/115123716kq6.jpg

[Bachelor]

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1064/115123725nr9.jpg

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5722/img0481pa8.jpg

[STuG]

Hello,

it is a "Entfernungsmesser 34" , or in English, a Rangefinder.

Artillery fire control equipment basically.

[Bachelor]

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/981/lv1ix1.jpg

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/8213/image11kp2.jpg

[STuG]

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5722/img0481pa8.jpg

Interesting shot of Heer Soldaten wearing 1st pattern tropical tunics and Luftwaffe tropical trousers (wrongly termed "paratrooper tropical" by many when they are trying to sell them to squeeze extra cash out of you....).

Note the medic qualification badge on the arm of the man on the left.

[Bachelor]

Hello,

it is a "Entfernungsmesser 34" , or in English, a Rangefinder.

Artillery fire control equipment basically.


http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8372/post631128870797sj1.jpg

[STuG]

Correct,

although you show an earlier Imperial version with its tripod mount here.

[Bachelor]

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6062/november072217qf9.jpg

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/84/november072219pk1.jpg

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3571/november072222vf8.jpg

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1221/november072223mf2.jpg

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5522/november072226qs7.jpg

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5747/november072228dq0.jpg

[kongman]

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6062/november072217qf9.jpg

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/84/november072219pk1.jpg

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3571/november072222vf8.jpg

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1221/november072223mf2.jpg

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5522/november072226qs7.jpg

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5747/november072228dq0.jpg

man some nice pics there.....

[Hutz]

Where do you get all these pics?

[Loki77]

Where do you get all these pics? I bet from Siege of Leningrad Museum in Saint Petersburg.... http://thumb13.webshots.net/t/48/49/9/17/34/2638917340067074633HIzsFf_th.jpg (http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2638917340067074633HIzsFf) http://thumb13.webshots.net/t/42/42/7/70/29/2249770290067074633FIvQnQ_th.jpg (http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2249770290067074633FIvQnQ) http://thumb13.webshots.net/t/59/159/0/91/90/2189091900067074633Fekqtm_th.jpg (http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2189091900067074633Fekqtm)

[Jarhead]

It always makes me angry when I see dogtags in a collection, even its a museums collection

[Bachelor]

It always makes me angry when I see dogtags in a collection, even its a museums collection

Angry for what? It is not reasonably. Now old dogtags are necessary to anybody(The official organisations). When somebody finds a dogtag that it does its x-copy and the information on the place where is found, the burial place (if find with a body) and the information about founder. All documents send in the Ministry of Defence. If it is a German dogtag that all information it is transferred in German Embassy in Moscow. The Ministry of Defence (Russian or Germany) pays for it money. Dogtags are not necessary. The founder takes a dogtag as a souvenir. It is the official policy. The relative of the victim can ask a dogtag but it happens seldom. Nobody destroys tombs. In war buried anywhere. Now bury on a cemetery. Usually bodies of German soldiers return in Germany. Relatives can come to the tomb on cemetery.

[Bachelor]

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1833/november071989tz4.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7135/november071994xs7.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5640/november072009lh4.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/825/november072015ye0.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6199/november072020px5.jpg

[Bachelor]

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/672/december072530sy3.jpg

[Jarhead]

The founder takes a dogtag as a souvenir..
....thats it...there are a so many soldiers that cant get identified because of the missing dogtags...
My grandfather wasnt found yet, over 62 years since the end of ww 2.
Thats just one exmaple.

[Karo]

Angry for what? It is not reasonably. Now old dogtags are necessary to anybody(The official organisations). When somebody finds a dogtag that it does its x-copy and the information on the place where is found, the burial place (if find with a body) and the information about founder. All documents send in the Ministry of Defence. If it is a German dogtag that all information it is transferred in German Embassy in Moscow. The Ministry of Defence (Russian or Germany) pays for it money. Dogtags are not necessary. The founder takes a dogtag as a souvenir. It is the official policy. The relative of the victim can ask a dogtag but it happens seldom. Nobody destroys tombs. In war buried anywhere. Now bury on a cemetery. Usually bodies of German soldiers return in Germany. Relatives can come to the tomb on cemetery.

Sorry... WHAT? Could you write your thoughts again in a proper english, please?

But i have to second the oppinion of Jarhead. Im getting sick seeing those dogtags robbed from the battlefield selled on ebay or anywhere else - without informing any relatives/appropriate authority. Also in my family there are persons with an unknown destiny like the grandfather of Jarhead.

[Hutz]

Didn't realize that many German dog tags were available on Ebay. A little disturbing.

[Karo]

Didn't realize that many German dog tags were available on Ebay. A little disturbing.

On the German Ebay they prohibited to sell them some time ago, but i guess on other countrys Ebay sites there are still some German dogtags selled..

[oregongrunt]

Sorry... WHAT? Could you write your thoughts again in a proper english, please?

But i have to second the oppinion of Jarhead. Im getting sick seeing those dogtags robbed from the battlefield selled on ebay or anywhere else - without informing any relatives/appropriate authority. Also in my family there are persons with an unknown destiny like the grandfather of Jarhead.

I understand how you feel. I've seen ground dug German dogtags for sell in Ukrainian markets. I assumed they just dug up the bodies, stripped them, and left them. There was even an old helmet that still had the remains of someone's hair in it. When I asked a few locals about these things, they said that since they were from the fascists, noone cared!

[theholeinthedonut]

Sorry... WHAT? Could you write your thoughts again in a proper english, please?

But i have to second the oppinion of Jarhead. Im getting sick seeing those dogtags robbed from the battlefield selled on ebay or anywhere else - without informing any relatives/appropriate authority. Also in my family there are persons with an unknown destiny like the grandfather of Jarhead.

X2 ....................

[Bachelor]

Sorry for my bad English. I think sense of my information people understand.
My grandfather was killed on war2 too. I have learnt only that my grandfather went in the military column on road. It was in Ukraine. German planes Junkers-87attacked by machine guns and bombs grandfather's column. My grandfather has been mortally wounded in a stomach. Soldiers of unit have buried him near the road. Relatives had received only the official notice of death. Nobody remembers this road. So many people was killed. Who buried bodes, others could buried them on the next day. Nobody knows grandfather's places of burial till now. We haven't grandfather's things like dogtag, medals, some...
Only normal and civilized people can do correctly. If they have found a dogtag they have inform the Government organization. We have also bad-stupid people. They are live in all countries. There are embittered people. Not many but have... Fascists have killed a lot of civil in the USSR. The Soviet people did not invite fascists. Fascists have come to kill and killed. Fascists have killed many Ukrainians. Many Ukrainians do not know where their relatives are buried. If you think that embittered people will bury bodies of German with honors you are mistaken. Therefore and such bad relation to aggressors. They hate aggressors and murderers of their relatives and compatriots. I understand Ukrainians... But the majority of normal people does correctly. They understand all situation of war. Now we have problems with burial places of the Soviet soldiers in Poland, Czech, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia... Tombs collapse, profaned by vandals. Many rus soldiers MIA in Poland, Czech.., other countries... And more and of simply people in ex-USSR become embittered. It is the dirty policy and stupid people. But we must think.
I live in Russia. My friend has work in the organization on search of the lost soldiers in that war. He was military man, retired now. He doing work very good. They receive money from the government. Government have section for control and work in this problem. In winter they work in archives and summer in forests-fields. Many simply people help. When bodies of soldiers were found by casually simple people. They inform police. The police causes military men. Military men come. They check the weapon and an explosive. But in any case the military Office of Public Prosecutor checks bodies and things. Like CSI. It a low. I know lot of the facts of founded of bodies of German soldiers. My friend told. Military experts did criminal examination and relatives took away bodies. I can tell that our military men from the Ministry of Defense of Russia concern to all lost soldiers with honors. It better to return bodies to home. I think relatives should have the tomb nearby and know the place where he was killed.
I don't know situation in Ukraine.
And for the information... More than half of all subjects on sale the counterfeit. These are signs, crosses, uniform, daggers... It made of newday-today. It not originals. But there are made very qualitatively and looks like old... German ammunitions have high price and lot of experts and factories does this business.

[Bachelor]

Sorry... WHAT? Could you write your thoughts again in a proper english, please?

But i have to second the oppinion of Jarhead. Im getting sick seeing those dogtags robbed from the battlefield selled on ebay or anywhere else - without informing any relatives/appropriate authority. Also in my family there are persons with an unknown destiny like the grandfather of Jarhead.


Sorry for my bad English. Second Attempt.
Angry for what? It is not reasonably. The official organizations of Russia-Germany don't interesting of old dogtags or old personal things of victim. When somebody finds a dogtag that it does its x-copy and the information on the place where is found, the burial place (if find with a body) and the information about finder. All documents send in the Ministry of Defence. We don't do that long way. We have Military Commandant's office or Military commissariat in Russia in all city. The finder must go in it office. They will make all under the law. Also will pay expenses to finder. If it is a German dogtag that all information it is transferred in German Embassy in Moscow. The Ministry of Defence (Russian or Germany) pays for it money. Dogtags like a Thing not necessary. The finder takes a dogtag as a souvenir. It is officially authorised. It is the official policy of German and Russian MinDf. It is legal business. They sell dogtabs to pay other works for search-dig. The Government spend not so big many for this work. Public organizations and private selectors-finders are compelled to sell historical thinks. Sotheby, antic do that too...
The relative of the victim can ask a dogtag but it happens seldom. Usually ask personal things. The finder is obliged to return found only to relatives of soldier. Nobody destroys tombs. In war buried anywhere in forests, on fields, near roads... Usually bodies of German soldiers return in Germany. Relatives can come to the tomb on cemetery. Like the Soviet soldiers return to relatives and return to home.
We should be angry with those who takes away things-ammunitions but does not inform about bodies. In Russia them name "Black diggers". They are searched by militia-police and all normal people. But they is work...

[Karo]

(I dont understand everything you have written but i guess i got the most things.)


I was talking about the people who dig for "militaria stuff" on former battlefields only to get a bit money and dont care about the corpses they may find. (like the "black diggers" you said) So the official "seekers" find only the bones and arent aible to identify the corpses which might had been possible if the robbers wouldnt take things like dogtags etc away. Its clear that this isnt tolerated by the Russian governement (at leats it should be) and not everybody is so careless about the past, but there are some people out there who are just interested in the money they make with the stuff and thats what I condem. But as I see that you had also have some hard destinies in your family during the war, i think that we in general understand each other.

[Jarhead]

thanks for your support Kamerad

[Karo]

No Problem.

[Bachelor]

(I dont understand everything you have written but i guess i got the most things.)


I was talking about the people who dig for "militaria stuff" on former battlefields only to get a bit money and dont care about the corpses they may find. (like the "black diggers" you said) So the official "seekers" find only the bones and arent aible to identify the corpses which might had been possible if the robbers wouldnt take things like dogtags etc away. Its clear that this isnt tolerated by the Russian governement (at leats it should be) and not everybody is so careless about the past, but there are some people out there who are just interested in the money they make with the stuff and thats what I condem. But as I see that you had also have some hard destinies in your family during the war, i think that we in general understand each other.

I'm glad because we understand each other.
Look interesting photos about to search of the MIA soldiers of Russian official organization "Trizna" of Moscow. The organization to employs volunteers. They work during holiday, vocation. They military men, students, schoolboys..., different people. They return names to victim soldiers..., Russian and German.
http://www.1942.ru/photo.htm
http://www.trizna.ru/vahta12006.html
http://www.trizna.ru/vaht.html
http://www.trizna.ru/zubcov.html
http://www.trizna.ru/zubcov2.html
http://www.trizna.ru/sruza.html
http://www.trizna.ru/zax/zaxoronenie.htm
http://www.trizna.ru/il2_2004/photo.htm
http://www.trizna.ru/blindaj_may2004/index.htm
http://www.trizna.ru/orel_may2004/photo.htm
http://www.trizna.ru/vaxta07.html
http://www.trizna.ru/zax/zaxoronenie1.htm
http://www.trizna.ru/zax/zaxoronenie2.htm
http://trizna.ru/Krasnodar/photo.htm
http://trizna.ru/sevastopol/photo.htm
http://trizna.ru/burgomistr.html
http://trizna.ru/maroder/photo.htm
http://trizna.ru/strolch/photo.htm

And interesting photos about arms, tanks, u-boot, planes search.....
http://trizna.ru/sturm3/photo.htm
http://trizna.ru/boot/u537.htm
http://trizna.ru/pobel.html
http://trizna.ru/tank2/photo.htm
http://trizna.ru/tank/photo.htm
http://trizna.ru/kv1/photo.htm

http://trizna.ru/Krasnodar/k16.jpg

http://trizna.ru/Krasnodar/k7.jpg
http://trizna.ru/Krasnodar/k9.jpg
http://trizna.ru/maxim/m1.jpg
http://trizna.ru/burgomistr/3.jpg

http://trizna.ru/krasnodar3/9.jpg

http://trizna.ru/demyansk/009.jpg

http://trizna.ru/maroder/6.JPG

http://trizna.ru/maroder/3.JPG

http://trizna.ru/tank2/14.jpg

http://trizna.ru/brodyaga/009.jpg

http://www.trizna.ru/orel_may2004/IMG_0677_resize.JPG

http://trizna.ru/07mirea/7.jpg

http://trizna.ru/07mirea/18.jpg

http://trizna.ru/vaxta2007/17.jpg

http://trizna.ru/istr/10.jpg

http://trizna.ru/istr/6.jpg

http://www.trizna.ru/vaxta07/5_21.jpg

http://www.trizna.ru/vaxta07/5_9.jpg

http://www.trizna.ru/vaxta07/5_10.jpg

http://www.trizna.ru/vaxta07/5_13.jpg

http://www.trizna.ru/vaxta07/5_14.jpg

http://www.trizna.ru/vaxta07/5_20.jpg

http://www.trizna.ru/vaxta07/8.jpg


http://www.trizna.ru/sruza/2.JPG

http://www.trizna.ru/zax/zaxoronenie.files/p0000004.jpg

http://www.trizna.ru/zax/zaxoronenie.files/p0000027.jpg

[Bachelor]

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7103/103up8.jpg
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/3005/113lp5.jpg


http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/742/106er6.jpg

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5775/104oq4.jpg

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/1842/102xw8.jpg

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/197/10oc8.jpg


http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9753/30026703cx9.jpg

[Observer58]

Ya there is some awesome photos!Thanks
Hi Everybody, this is my first post here, I have just found this site searching about the Battle for Berlin, and the photos I could see here are amazing. I am not a reaaly expert about WWII, but I have a doubt and I would like to check with you guys if you can help me with this matter.

Why the German POWs were kept prisioner, mainly in Russia, for such a long time? Most part,or the portion which survived were realeased just in 1955. At that point of time Germany did not make any request for the release of those soldiers? The interneational comunity just forgot those men in URSS?

I am sorry if this matter should be entered in other section, if it is true please accept my appologize.

[PrinzEugen]

I'm glad because we understand each other.
Look interesting photos about to search of the MIA soldiers of Russian official organization "Trizna" of Moscow. The organization to employs volunteers. They work during holiday, vocation. They military men, students, schoolboys..., different people. They return names to victim soldiers..., Russian and German.
http://www.1942.ru/photo.htm
http://www.trizna.ru/vahta12006.html
http://www.trizna.ru/vaht.html
http://www.trizna.ru/zubcov.html
http://www.trizna.ru/zubcov2.html
http://www.trizna.ru/sruza.html
http://www.trizna.ru/zax/zaxoronenie.htm
http://www.trizna.ru/il2_2004/photo.htm
http://www.trizna.ru/blindaj_may2004/index.htm
http://www.trizna.ru/orel_may2004/photo.htm
http://www.trizna.ru/vaxta07.html
http://www.trizna.ru/zax/zaxoronenie1.htm
http://www.trizna.ru/zax/zaxoronenie2.htm
http://trizna.ru/Krasnodar/photo.htm
http://trizna.ru/sevastopol/photo.htm
http://trizna.ru/burgomistr.html
http://trizna.ru/maroder/photo.htm
http://trizna.ru/strolch/photo.htm

And interesting photos about arms, tanks, u-boot, planes search.....
http://trizna.ru/sturm3/photo.htm
http://trizna.ru/boot/u537.htm
http://trizna.ru/pobel.html
http://trizna.ru/tank2/photo.htm
http://trizna.ru/tank/photo.htm
http://trizna.ru/kv1/photo.htm




Interesting links, thanks.

[oregongrunt]

http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8948103/ca62/__sr_/cbd4.jpg?grQ8IjHBvHgAj2tP

uncommon propaganda poster

[Annihilator9112]

Hi Everybody, this is my first post here, I have just found this site searching about the Battle for Berlin, and the photos I could see here are amazing. I am not a reaaly expert about WWII, but I have a doubt and I would like to check with you guys if you can help me with this matter.

Why the German POWs were kept prisioner, mainly in Russia, for such a long time? Most part,or the portion which survived were realeased just in 1955. At that point of time Germany did not make any request for the release of those soldiers? The interneational comunity just forgot those men in URSS?

I am sorry if this matter should be entered in other section, if it is true please accept my appologize.

now that you said it i also would like to know...

[mikcem]

I think you will find the source of most of the photos here are German
online auctions eg Ebay.de . I am also a collector of Original photos
here is one of mine ... German Infantry SS Mountain troop trainees
possibly for NORD all in peadot Camo . which would date this mid44
Michael..

[Bachelor]

I have found interesting collages of SS uniform. I don't know their correctness. But I have found many errors in the Soviet uniform.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2982/sspanzerny3.jpg

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1378/allgemeinessau6.jpg

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6038/waffenssyj0.jpg

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6364/waffensscamoaw3.jpg

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3760/waffensswintercamoof0.jpg

[Johnny_H]

Voices of Hitler's Army : Waffen SS
http://www.stage6.com/WORLD-WAR-TWO-HISTORY-WAR/video/2040879/The-Waffen-SS-Voices-From-Hitlers-Army

[Bachelor]

One of the greatest and biggest tank collections in the world. The collection is in territory of Malinovsky's Military Academy of Tank Armies of the Russian Army. Kubinka, Moscow region, Russia.
http://www.tankmuseum.ru/index_e.html

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2315/0609gx9.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3273/06099ay5.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9554/0609qb5.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8959/06095ue5.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5647/dscn9774hi7.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/701/034ks7.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3293/dscn9787fd6.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1231/057xs6.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/73/dscn9788ia6.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4805/dscn9809sm5.jpg

[Bachelor]

Historical military games. Near Moscow.

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3341/p1050333nf5.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2284/p1050335mp7.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3197/p1050337yq4.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1467/p1050338hw1.jpg

[InetWarrior]

Hi Everybody, this is my first post here, I have just found this site searching about the Battle for Berlin, and the photos I could see here are amazing. I am not a reaaly expert about WWII, but I have a doubt and I would like to check with you guys if you can help me with this matter.

Why the German POWs were kept prisioner, mainly in Russia, for such a long time? Most part,or the portion which survived were realeased just in 1955. At that point of time Germany did not make any request for the release of those soldiers? The interneational comunity just forgot those men in URSS?

I am sorry if this matter should be entered in other section, if it is true please accept my appologize.

IMHO from Soviet pont of view they deserved that. They work to paid for their sins against humanity...
International comunity have more problem at that moment than fighting for some "poor" Hitlers soldiers. Not too much sympathy for them in the world.

[Observer58]

IMHO from Soviet pont of view they deserved that. They work to paid for their sins against humanity...
International comunity have more problem at that moment than fighting for some "poor" Hitlers soldiers. Not too much sympathy for them in the world.

Hi thank you for your reply. Are you from Russia?

[theholeinthedonut]

IMHO from Soviet pont of view they deserved that. They work to paid for their sins against humanity...
International comunity have more problem at that moment than fighting for some "poor" Hitlers soldiers. Not too much sympathy for them in the world.

What about all the soldiers that had been forced into the Wehrmacht? The Russians didn't care about them either?

[BillyShears]

"reenactors" - I can just imagine what my Grandpa would have said to them!
All the waffen SS should have been hung.

[Observer58]

"reenactors" - I can just imagine what my Grandpa would have said to them!
All the waffen SS should have been hung.

We can not generalize, there was waffen ss which were just fighting for their country, they were not murders, not all of them.

[Jarhead]

"reenactors" - I can just imagine what my Grandpa would have said to them!
All the waffen SS should have been hung.
pretty smart coment....:roll:

[gaijinsamurai]

(I dont understand everything you have written but i guess i got the most things.)


I was talking about the people who dig for "militaria stuff" on former battlefields only to get a bit money and dont care about the corpses they may find. (like the "black diggers" you said) So the official "seekers" find only the bones and arent aible to identify the corpses which might had been possible if the robbers wouldnt take things like dogtags etc away. Its clear that this isnt tolerated by the Russian governement (at leats it should be) and not everybody is so careless about the past, but there are some people out there who are just interested in the money they make with the stuff and thats what I condem. But as I see that you had also have some hard destinies in your family during the war, i think that we in general understand each other.

I agree with Karo and Jarhead. When I was serving with the US Army in Kuwait, we found the remains of a dead Iraqi soldier. One of the soldiers in my squad attempted to keep his dogtag as a souvenir, and I was ordered to discipline him for it by our platoon commander. He was forced to hand the dogtag over to me, and I turned it in, eventually Red Cross personel came and documented the remains for notification to the dead soldier's next of kin. There is no reason why fallen German soldiers should not be given the same respect.

I have a few pieces of relic items dug up at Stalingrad and Demyansk: a canteen, a belt buckle, and a General Assault badge, but a dog tag is crossing the lines of ethics, in my opinion.

[gaijinsamurai]

"reenactors" - I can just imagine what my Grandpa would have said to them!
All the waffen SS should have been hung.


I used to reenact as a German panzer grenadier and fallschirmjager, and showed the photos to my late uncle, who fought in the Battle of the Bulge. He found the photos impressive and amusing, but was by no means offended.

[Jarhead]

I agree with Karo and Jarhead. When I was serving with the US Army in Kuwait, we found the remains of a dead Iraqi soldier. One of the soldiers in my squad attempted to keep his dogtag as a souvenir, and I was ordered to discipline him for it by our platoon commander. He was forced to hand the dogtag over to me, and I turned it in, eventually Red Cross personel came and documented the remains for notification to the dead soldier's next of kin. There is no reason why fallen German soldiers should not be given the same respect.

I have a few pieces of relic items dug up at Stalingrad and Demyansk: a canteen, a belt buckle, and a General Assault badge, but a dog tag is crossing the lines of ethics, in my opinion.
You are so right...a piece of equipment is not like a dogdag
Every fallen soldiers should be given the same respect

[Bachelor]

Why the German POWs were kept prisioner, mainly in Russia, for such a long time? Most part,or the portion which survived were realeased just in 1955. At that point of time Germany did not make any request for the release of those soldiers? The interneational comunity just forgot those men in URSS?

I am sorry if this matter should be entered in other section, if it is true please accept my appologize.

Interesting question.
Have you know about The International Court over Nazi military criminals in Nuremberg? Many Nazi have received punishment as a death penalty and have been hung up. Others Nazi have been condemned on different imprisonment terms. In particular for life. Have you know about nazi criminal Gess?
Your question "... Why the German POWs were kept prisioner, mainly in Russia, for such a loooong time?..." not clever. It as... How loooong The International Court held Nazi criminal Gess in prison?...

All German soldiers who was POW in Russia have been condemned in The Soviet People Court. As in The International Court all German POW have received punishment by The Soviet People Court... They have received different terms in prison for military crimes on the Russian, Ukr..,Bel.., territory. Even life imprisonment. Yes, The Soviet people have forgiven German soldiers ahead of schedule. German soldiers have received preschedule clearing and have returned in Germany in 1955.
The International community didn't forgot German prisoners. They have possibility of check of the maintenance of German prisoners. They have communications with German prisoners. All German prisoners contained in Soviet prison under The International laws. They have all necessary..., medicine..., food and have mail from relatives. But Russian soldiers in German prisons and concentration camps died. Russian soldiers haven't food, medicine, warm ..., post... Where InterCom was in that time? May be InterCom was forgot that the Russian soldiers are human too???


I agree with Karo and Jarhead. When I was serving with the US Army in Kuwait, we found the remains of a dead Iraqi soldier. One of the soldiers in my squad attempted to keep his dogtag as a souvenir, and I was ordered to discipline him for it by our platoon commander. He was forced to hand the dogtag over to me, and I turned it in, eventually Red Cross personel came and documented the remains for notification to the dead soldier's next of kin. There is no reason why fallen German soldiers should not be given the same respect.
We talk about different thinks. US soldiers and Iraqi soldiers in different situation. You understand the lines of ethics in dogtags problem but don't understand the line of different between Wars, between you mission in Kuwait... Is you from Kuwait? Are you Kuwaitmen? Do your relatives live in Kuwait? Have you missing(dead or killed) of your relatives (mother, children...) in Kuwait by Iraq soldiers?
Same only one - we enemy..., and respect each other (may be)...

But somebody don't understand the situation about dogtags. May be my English is bad... But I have explained the official situation about dogtags. If someone has found a dogtag that he must informs about it to Govstateoffice. It is a civil and human debt. It is the law. But... The dogtag is a simple thing. It isn't the symbol for prays. It is simply thing. It isn't the sacred thing. For relatives of the mis.soldier it is a symbol and memory but not for all. This thing is not necessary (like thing) for the official governments of Russia and Germany or archives. They interesting only in info of dogtags. They haven't warehouses for "breakage" storage. Archives take only photos or copies (on papers) of dogtags. Same about dogtags of German soldiers or Russian soldiers. The government allows to leave it as a souvenir for the founder (who found the dogtag in the ground or...). Or you prefer to throw out dogtags on a dustbin(dump)? The another matter if somebody does not inform about dogtags and the name of the missing soldier remains to unknown persons. This is blasphemy... This is stupidly... But to have dogtag as souvenir after official procedure of an identification. These are different affairs... I talk about official situation...
Church's sacred crosses are on sale. It things too... The main it this is relation of people to sacred things...


And.... About Nazi soldier....
"reenactors" - I can just imagine what my Grandpa would have said to them!
All the waffen SS should have been hung.

We can not generalize, there was waffen ss which were just fighting for their country, they were not murders, not all of them.

pretty smart coment....
You are so right...a piece of equipment is not like a dogdag
Every fallen soldiers should be given the same respect


I think some people forget who was SS Nazi soldier... Whey was aggressors, they killed children, woman, old people. They want to the war for kill, for fascist-nazi ideology, for took people's life, ... They was animals with human faces (in our forum we see photos of Waffen SS - they was simple people on photos, they had mothers-wifes-children but they did terrible)... . Go to Russia, Belorussia, Ukraine, Poland and ask people about Nazi soldiers... Did German soldiers or Waffen SS "just fighting for their country" in Russia or in Poland??? Are you st...??? We understand about old Nazi's time in Germany. Some German people had two choices could be Nazi or could be dead. BUT!!! We see many doc. and see films about ocean happy Germans have hand-"hile"-Hitler, happy smiles and louds... And they went to war and killed with smiles... German people had choice - Hitler..., and killed Englishmen, Poles, Russian, American.... Only in the end of the War when Germans have understood of their f..ckingfail. Their understood that it f..ckinghappiness went to the end..., and they have decided to kill Hitler. But it was few people. All wished to be at War to the END and even more death... In Russia there is a floor board: "To Die so with music!" (If to die that all)...

And I agree with BillyShears. Yes it clever old idea - "All the waffen SS should have been hung". But after the International court for their crimes. And the Court was in Nurnberg. Also we know that SS is named by the Court like the criminal organization and all members of this organization should be condemned. Have you forgotten?

And somebody talk about "respect".... "Respect" for killers???? "Respect" for killers dogtags, swastika, SS????
I think we must have respect for this soldiers only like the human, like the our history...
I understand you (some) are German but just think before a writing (about "respect for SS soldiers" and "pretty smart coment")...
These are very thin thoughts, it is very thin side... We can offend real victim. We should be constrained.
We can look frostily and easy at photos, on equipment, on signs but we should not forget history and a reality.

[Bachelor]

Nazi soldiers did not care of the killed Russian soldiers. Nazi loved photographed (with) dead Russian. German-Nazi soldiers did not bury the killed Russian soldiers. They simply threw bodies... And some speak about respect and want respect German soldiers...


http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8494/ww273ml3.jpg



http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9379/ww263gn2.jpg


http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6963/ww233hz8.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7015/ww216uh7.jpg


http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6264/ww201qu4.jpg

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/299/ww243fi0.jpg

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/6006/ww209dw6.jpg


http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9376/ww240py4.jpg

Question to German soldiers on photos... What you looking for? Where are you have looking? Soon all of you will be dead in Russia... There is nothing to look let's to bury Russian soldiers...

[Jarhead]

Do you want to start another flame war?
That what happend is history.
And just another tip...put a graphic warning on your last post

[InetWarrior]

Hi thank you for your reply. Are you from Russia?

From Poland.
SS deserved all the hate (Waffen SS tooo). For things they do to Jews and Polish partisans and civilians (read about Warsaw uprising). And they served in Auschwitz, Treblinka etc.

But I understand that they look cool on photos...

[Bachelor]

Some violent people have begun the court over Waffen SS. I have not restrained and have reminded of history and horrors of war... I think the flame on court, about ideology be finished now. I suggest to look interesting historical photos, to discuss ammunition, uniform and arms.... But don't forget history.

[Bachelor]

From Poland.
SS deserved all the hate (Waffen SS tooo). For things they do to Jews and Polish partisans and civilians (read about Warsaw uprising). And they served in Auschwitz, Treblinka etc.

But I understand that they look cool on photos...

http://www.cheesebuerger.net/images/more/bigs/c014.gif

[gaijinsamurai]

Bachelor: Before you start a self-righteous flame war, you might want to Google "Katyn Forest".

[Bachelor]

Bachelor: Before you start a self-righteous flame war, you might want to Google "Katyn Forest".
No problemo. I don't need in Goog as somebody. I know the history of my country. In Katynsky Forest was killed Poles milmen by the special unit of People's Commissariat of Internal Affairs. These are force of protection Gylag camps. These force as SS in Nazi Germany. But it is not Russian people. Only real murderers were employed in that force units. They have killed many simple Soviet people including a lot of officers of Red Army - real heroes and professional military man. These people haven't fighting in war. They protected prisons, camp and shot condemned. They shot receding Soviet soldiers by machine guns. They stay after frontline, behind the army Entrenchments. But it is small Stalin-Beria's force. Military men, front-line soldiers did not serve in these force. These people hide like criminals now and old time.

[Rittmester]

I believe covering the face of the dead (top pic) is a show of respect. As for the other pics, I don't see any smiles or mockery. It's just the missery of war, and further down the road there's probably dead Germans as well. These pics don't support your claims.

[leozwartenkot]

here are some fotos of my collection of the waffen ss

[DID]

kids? thats always shocking me

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=41685&d=1201118633

[leozwartenkot]

these are members of the 12th ss panzerdivision HITLERJUGEND
concisting out of 17 and 18 year old young man from the hitlerjugend and a cadre of veterans from the leibstandarte

[gaijinsamurai]

The Marines in my own platoon took photos of dead Iraqi soldiers during Operation Desert Storm.
My point?
War brings out the best AND worst, in everyobody. No country excluded.
Yes, we know that many members of the Wehrmacht and Waffen SS committed atrocities. That is beyong dispute, and has been discussed numerous times on this thread already.
But to ignore the fact that many members of the German military fought honorably, if even for a terrible regime, is to deny the truth.

[PrinzEugen]

The Marines in my own platoon took photos of dead Iraqi soldiers during Operation Desert Storm.
My point?
War brings out the best AND worst, in everyobody. No country excluded.
Yes, we know that many members of the Wehrmacht and Waffen SS committed atrocities. That is beyong dispute, and has been discussed numerous times on this thread already.
But to ignore the fact that many members of the German military fought honorably, if even for a terrible regime, is to deny the truth.

Good points as allways GS, I totally agree.

[oregongrunt]

"reenactors" - I can just imagine what my Grandpa would have said to them!
All the waffen SS should have been hung.

I don't think you"ll make it through too many more posts with comments like this one.

[Jarhead]

captured SS-men
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee237/MilitaryCollector/S25C-208012413530.jpg

[Bachelor]

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5947/49801570nr2.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3490/d18041d0bfd0b078d1804d0or8.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/592/31117309cn1.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8263/67ii1.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2416/ssfjr1ug8.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2780/ssfjr17qf4.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1210/henhb7.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/57/2259931190089413999pgpbxg1.jpg

[Crassus]

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2416/ssfjr1ug8.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2780/ssfjr17qf4.jpg



Nice find! Waffen-SS Fallschirmjägerbatallion 600 at the Oderfront, probably March 1945. Never seen these before. Take a note that they are wearing SS-uniforms under Luftwaffe Fallschirmjäger jumpsuit and use Luftwaffe helmets.

Re-enactor site:http://www.geocities.com/ss500600/SS_Fallschirmjager.html

http://www.geocities.com/ss500600/SSPoster.jpg

[Bachelor]

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1039/009sq9.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4297/dsc05823ng2.jpg

[Bachelor]

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/3162/lahem1.jpg

[Bachelor]

Nice find! Waffen-SS Fallschirmjägerbatallion 600 at the Oderfront, probably March 1945. Never seen these before. Take a note that they are wearing SS-uniforms under Luftwaffe Fallschirmjäger jumpsuit and use Luftwaffe helmets.


http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6736/octobre07339kp1.jpg

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http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/9674/octobre07324gz8.jpg

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3829/octobre07311yi9.jpg

[Loki77]

http://www.ww2depot.com/catalog/images/britischesfreikorps.jpg http://www.centrostudilaruna.it/immagini/volontarioinglese.jpg

[Loki77]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/25/M36_British_Free_Corps_Tunic.jpg/250px-M36_British_Free_Corps_Tunic.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Britisches_Freikorps.jpg/180px-Britisches_Freikorps.jpg http://www.centrostudilaruna.it/immagini/manifestoinglese.jpg

[Bachelor]

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6113/bscap000124as8pp0.jpg

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http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5261/87587ou8.jpg

[Bachelor]

"Blut Orden"

UND IHR HABT DOCH GESIEGT

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[Bachelor]

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http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5095/openerwaffsspg1me5.jpg

[Bachelor]

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http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4116/115407394qw7.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9408/post1981188850519as9.jpg

[Bachelor]

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[gpackusmc]

I do alot of modeling and dioramas in 1/35 scale and find this site to be a great refrence sorce thanks to all for there pics

[gpackusmc]

model of german paratroops



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packpaintball@frontiernet.net

[Geezah]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/25/M36_British_Free_Corps_Tunic.jpg/250px-M36_British_Free_Corps_Tunic.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Britisches_Freikorps.jpg/180px-Britisches_Freikorps.jpg http://www.centrostudilaruna.it/immagini/manifestoinglese.jpg

Where did these come from?

[Bachelor]

model of german paratroops



Good work!

http://www.myemailemoticons.com/drop_down/emoticon_expressions/emoticon_exp_23.gif

[Bachelor]

Post cards serie of Waffen SS....

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8531/1nabludatelct0.jpg

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4817/1nabludatel1qi1.jpg

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4289/2nabludatelnd7.jpg

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4896/2nabludatel1tg7.jpg

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/3253/ammg1vs6.jpg

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1498/ammg11wy3.jpg

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1381/artilerijaplinr4.jpg

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/3600/artilerijapli1qj5.jpg


coming soon.......

[Loki77]

Where did these come from?

Posters of The Britisches Freikorps unit of the Waffen SS served alongside the Nazis on the Eastern Front.

[Loki77]

http://members.aol.com/sturmpnzr/graphics/collartabs.jpghttp://tinypic.com/dgtrax.jpg http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9121/142britishfreecorps5ya.jpg For more information here: http://www.bills-bunker.de/64090.html

[Loki77]

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=8939624294796213494&hl=en

[jklv]

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6113/bscap000124as8pp0.jpg

Wernher Von Braun? d=

[Connaught Ranger]

http://www.ww2depot.com/catalog/images/britischesfreikorps.jpg http://www.centrostudilaruna.it/immagini/volontarioinglese.jpg

With regards the FAKE-FANTASY Britischeres FreiKorp Armband shown above:

Taken from:

Adrian Weale's "RENEGADES HITLER'S ENGLISH MEN."

page 126: . . . . . The first question that was resolved was the name. Amery's original suggestion of "The Legion of St. George" found little favour amongst the volunteers, who felt that it was too specifically English and conveyed inappropriate religious overtones.

From the German side it was proposed the unit be simply known as the "British Legion" - a proposal in line with the existing policy which the SS had adopted for other foreign units - but it was quickly pointed out that this term was already in use as the name of British First World War Veterans group.

In the end they settled on "Britisch Free Corps" (BFC) at the suggestion of Alfred Minchin who had read an article in the English edition of "Signal" magazine about the Freikorps Danmark".

Interestingly, while the BFC was often referred to in correspondence as the "Britisches Freikorps", or even the Britisches Frei-Corps, its official name was the English language version. . . . . .Page 168: During the journey Futcher managed to steal a pistol from a policeman on the train, and they also removed the Union-Jack badges and "British Free Corps" cuff-titles from their sleeves.The second picture is a cropped shot of Alfred Minchin, and the full version is facing page 119 in the above mentioned book and captioned:

Alfred Minchin(second right) and Kenneth Berry (second left in BFC uniform note the Union Jack flash and armband on the lower left sleeve).

Connaught Stranger.:grin:

[PsychoMantis]

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3770/ssmanhelpsenemyzh4.jpg

[Bachelor]

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http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3440/dranduletssiq1.jpg

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[Havoc345]

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3770/ssmanhelpsenemyzh4.jpg

Very powerful picture

[Bachelor]

Very powerful picture

The same people, the same serie...., like in theatre...

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/861/70488621bx6.jpg

[Bachelor]

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http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7381/img259vd7.jpg

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8403/img260tu8.jpg

[Bachelor]

next post cards.....


http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2020/kurtssbu0.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9666/kurtss1dx0.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4448/lodkanesutbq6.jpg

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http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4307/lodkazaprigivaetbn0.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4535/lodkazaprigivaet1tu4.jpg

[Bachelor]

more.....

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[Bachelor]

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http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/8012/motossjs9.jpg

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5232/motoss1mn2.jpg

[b0sco]

Wow, rare stuff!
Thanks alot for sharing.

[mikcem]

An Original photo from my collection LAH in 1941

[gaijinsamurai]

Cool photos. Thanks for posting.
The photo of the Waffen SS officer with the binoculars is of Kurt "Panzer" Meyer, when he was CO of the Liebstandarte Adolf Hitler Division's Reconnaissance Battalion, during the invasion of Greece.

[Bachelor]

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8182/motoss3vt9.jpg

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/557/motoss31zc5.jpg

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/526/natankesbinoklemik2.jpg

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http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8527/okolotankasnegia7.jpg

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6922/okolotankasneg1bq4.jpg

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7703/parabelumno4.jpg

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http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4209/policaypc6.jpg

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7090/policay1qo7.jpg

[Bachelor]

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9715/radistissjq2.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1057/radistiss1pt6.jpg

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http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4892/razvedisapog1vn0.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2959/razvednadereveby5.jpg


http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1821/razvednadereve1ch6.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7016/razvedvnebomu9.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2253/razvedvnebo1sb9.jpg

[thegermanhelmet.com]

Great photo's!

[Bachelor]

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/230/ssobakoyssuj0.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9527/ssobakoyss1ar1.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4089/tankgorodgoritcx4.jpg

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http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6418/tankpodbitsovetskiyzx9.jpg

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/421/tankpodbitsovetskiy1wi8.jpg

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2708/wvxn0.jpg

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9228/wv1jy1.jpg

[mikcem]

Here re some of my Waffen SS Postcards

[mikcem]

Das Reich Heavy Infantry Gun

[mikcem]

These photos are part of group of the 4th SS Mortar squad
dated March 1943

[mikcem]

Here are more of the same mans photos ,these are all from an Album
in my collection

[Bachelor]

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/303/4654jy7.jpg

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3776/566jb7.png

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1524/0909636na4.jpg

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[IronFinn]

I have to say, Bachelor, you have a impressive amount of photograps in your possession!

[Bachelor]

I have to say, Bachelor, you have a impressive amount of photograps in your possession!
Yes! And it only a small part. I have many photos about Russian aircraft. Aircraft it's my hobby and my ex'military service.
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_11.gif

[Bachelor]

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http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2484/67787878fe4.png

[mikcem]

From my collection

[Stonewall71]

Cool photos. Thanks for posting.
The photo of the Waffen SS officer with the binoculars is of Kurt "Panzer" Meyer, when he was CO of the Liebstandarte Adolf Hitler Division's Reconnaissance Battalion, during the invasion of Greece.


That photo is very famous, I remember seeing it in several publications

[Bachelor]

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http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6411/7888989jz8.png

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[Bachelor]

Waffen SS "Wiking"

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/9756/4975do9.jpg


http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7831/5677rc8.jpg

[Bachelor]

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1156/74656680kv1.jpg



http://www.lssah.com.ua/lssah_ah_platz.htm

http://www.ssocr.com/

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/

[panzerangriff]

http://www.lssah.com.ua/lssah_ah_platz.htm <------- the website promotes racist music, stahlgewitter-ruhm und ehre der .....
Some Landser stuff, why post this, if i may ask ?

[GodlessAmerica!]

I wonder If I create NKVD thread how long will it live? :roll:

[Bachelor]

I wonder If I create NKVD thread how long will it live? :roll:

I think not long live. NKVD is the police organization similar Gestapo. They hadn't fighting-combat units. They hadn't took part in war. They hadn't had fighting experience or honor on war's fields...

[Bachelor]

http://www.lssah.com.ua/lssah_ah_platz.htm <------- the website promotes racist music, stahlgewitter-ruhm und ehre der .....
Some Landser stuff, why post this, if i may ask ?

If this site promotes fascism-racism that you can go to court against that website. But now you have an empty word. Only court can to condemn and accuse promotes in some.... But now it is only historical website. I don't see some agitation or some in that website. Isn't it? May be I do mistake?

[panzerangriff]

no, the site directs to neo-nazi and white supramecistwebsites....
that's neo-nazi propaganda, like websites mentioned white-society and love your race , white resistance......
that's neo-nazi bull**** and has nothing to do with the second world war what so ever.
All those links are directed to white supremacist websites.
Who am i to say this, but i think if this thread will see the next day we shouldn't link to these sites....


greetings and cheers.

[GodlessAmerica!]

I think not long live. NKVD is the police organization similar Gestapo. They hadn't fighting-combat units. They hadn't took part in war. They hadn't had fighting experience or honor on war's fields...

from wiki


During World War II, most units of the NKVD Internal Troops were engaged alongside Red Army forces against Axis troops. They participated in the defense of Moscow, Leningrad, the Brest Fortress, Kiev, Odessa, Voronezh, Stalingrad, the North Caucasus and were heavily engaged during the battle of Kursk.
Typically, NKVD Troops played the role of barrier troops, preventing regular troops on the lines from disobedience and desertion. However, they engaged enemy in cases of urgent need and sometimes experienced heavy losses. Large VV units stayed in the rear to maintain order, fight enemy infiltrators and guard GULAG camps.
Altogether, more than 53 Internal Troops divisions and 20 Internal Troops brigades were on active duty during the war. 18 units were awarded battle honors (military decorations or honorary titles). A total of 977,000 servicemen were killed in action. More than 100,000 soldiers and officers received awards for gallantry in the face of the enemy, 295 servicemen were awarded the "Hero of the Soviet Union" title.
After the war's end, Internal Troops played important role in fighting local anti-Soviet guerrillas in the Baltic states and Ukraine.

[mikcem]

I will only of NKVD "KATYN FOREST"
Now we stick to fotos .. KEEP POLITICS OUT !!
3SS Totenkopf Russsia 1941

[Bachelor]

no, the site directs to neo-nazi and white supramecistwebsites....
that's neo-nazi propaganda, like websites mentioned white-society and love your race , white resistance......
that's neo-nazi bull**** and has nothing to do with the second world war what so ever.
All those links are directed to white supremacist websites.
Who am i to say this, but i think if this thread will see the next day we shouldn't link to these sites....


greetings and cheers.

I agree with you. Our forum for only historical thread and historical photos.
In many countries fascist-racist propagation is forbidden. However in Ukraine and Estonia it legally.
The website "Adolf Hitler Platz" (http://www.lssah.com.ua/lssah_ah_platz.htm) is the Ukrainian and "live" in Ukrainian zone of Internet. Like this Ukrainian site "Ostbataillon" (http://ostbataillon.fromru.com/index1.htm). But they about information only without propagation and about history only. However there are also sites with propagation. For example this about new order "Aryan traditions" (http://www.loveyourace.front.ru/index.html). It too in Ukraine. In Ukraine only through court it is possible to forbid this site.
In Russia it is forbidden to public image of a swastika. It's the law. I do not speak about sites or newspapers or some...

[GodlessAmerica!]

I will only of NKVD "KATYN FOREST"
Now we stick to fotos .. KEEP POLITICS OUT !!
3SS Totenkopf Russsia 1941

no pilitics, just history mother****er

It is a common misconception, the Waffen-SS or (Armed or Fighting SS) were not involved in the holocaust, although it was actually the Allgemeine-SS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allgemeine_SS) which was responsible for the death camps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp) (especially members of the 3rd SS, or Totenkopf Division (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_SS_Division_Totenkopf)). Certain divisions were however responsible for war crimes, and Schutzstaffel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel) organisation as a whole was declared a criminal organization after the war by the post war German government because there was undeniable evidence that many of its members perpetrated serious war crimes. Although some argue that the evidence in the cases of many Waffen-SS divisions is of individual rather than organisational culpability, this is unacceptable as deence in a military unit. Some of the serious evidence concerns two particular formations the Dirlewanger and Kaminski Brigades, though many others were involved - either in large-scale massacres or smaller scale atrocities such as the Houtman affair [1] (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jan2004/nazi-j21.shtml).
The linking of the SS-VT with the Totenkopfverbände (SS-TV) in 1938 posed important questions about Waffen SS criminality, since the latter were already responsible for the torture and murder of Jews and the regime’s political opponents. Their leader was Theodore Eicke, commandant of Dachau, inspector of the camps, murderer of Ernst Röhm and later General of the Totenkopf Division. With the invasion of Poland the Totenkopfverbände troops were called on to carry out ‘police and security measures’. What these measures involved is demonstrated by the record of SS Totenkopf Standarte Brandenburg. It arrived in Wloclawek on 22 September (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_22) 1939 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939) and embarked on a four day ‘Jewish action’ that included the burning of synagogues and executing en masse the leaders of the Jewish community. On 29 September (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_29) the Standarte travelled to Bydgoszcz to conduct an ‘intelligentsia action’. Approximately 800 Polish civilians and what the SD termed ‘potential resistance leaders’ were killed. The Totenkopfverbände was to become one of the elite SS divisions, but from the start they were among the first executors of a policy of systematic extermination.
Several formations within the Waffen-SS were found guilty of a war crime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime) especially in the opening and closing phases of the war[2] (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4793593.stm). What is not clear is whether the rate of actual war crimes was higher than in non-Waffen-SS units. In the West the most infamous incidents included the following:

Wormhoudt massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhoudt_massacre) by SS Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler, 1940, Belgium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgium)
Le Paradis massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Paradis_massacre) by SS Totenkopf, 1940, France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France)
Oradour-sur-Glane massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oradour-sur-Glane) by SS Das Reich, 1944, France
Tulle massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulle) by SS Das Reich, 1944, France
Marzabotto massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marzabotto_massacre) by Reichsführer-SS, 1944, Italy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy)
Malmedy massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmedy_massacre) by Kampfgruppe Peiper part of 1st SS Panzer Division, 1944, Belgium
Ardeatine massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardeatine_massacre) by two SS Officers, 1944, Italy
Distomo massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distomo_massacre) by 4th SS Polizei Panzergrenadier Division, 1944, Greece (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece)
Sant'Anna di Stazzema massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sant%27Anna_di_Stazzema_massacre) SS Reichsführer SS, 1944, Italy
Ardenne Abbey massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardenne_Abbey) 12th SS Panzer Division, 1944, FranceNote: this is not a complete list of massacres perpetrated by the Waffen SS. There were many other incidents.
In the East massacres and atrocities were far more widespread than in the West, due to fact that population in those territories was believed to be subhuman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untermensch).
The fact that the Waffen-SS had been found to be part of a criminal organisation (the SS) may have encouraged greater intensity of search for, or attribution of, war crimes to these units. For example, the Waffen SS murdered over 150 Canadian soldiers taken prisoner in the Battle of Normandy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Normandy) (see the 12th SS Panzer Division Hitlerjugend (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12th_SS_Panzer_Division_Hitlerjugend) article for details).In the ten or so years after the war it became possible to re-examine the facts in a 'cooler' environment and in some cases reverse the imposed penalties. For example, Major-General Kurt Meyer's death sentence was commuted following a review by Canadian military officials, although his conviction for inciting his men to 'give no quarter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercy)' remained intact. In the east, many of the premier combat divisions within the Waffen SS were tainted by numerous accusations of battlefield and civilian atrocities; however sources on that front remain fiercely contradictory.
The Dirlewanger and Kaminski Brigades (later to become the 36.Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/36th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS) and 29.Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS (russische Nr.1) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/29th_Waffen-Grenadier_Division_der_SS_%281st_Russian%29) respectively) were notorious for their reputation in the east. These formations, composed mostly of ex-Einsatzgruppen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen), released criminals and Russian Prisoners of War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner_of_War) and commanded by the fanatical Nazis Oskar Dirlewanger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Dirlewanger) Nicolaus Uhl and Bronislaw Kaminski (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronislaw_Kaminski), were engaged in numerous atrocities throughout their existence. After their actions in putting down the Warsaw Uprising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Uprising), complaints from the Wehrmacht[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] resulted in these units being dissolved and several members ) being tried and executed for their role in several incidents[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)].
Similarly, the Waffen-Sturm-Brigade RONA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-Sturm-Brigade_RONA) had a combat record riddled with atrocities[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] as well as abysmal conduct when faced with front line service.
While some Waffen-SS divisions such as Nordland and Nord are not associated with battlefield atrocities, the debate over the culpability of the organisation as a whole is the center of much revisionism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_revisionism_%28negationism%29).
On one end of the debate, in addition to documented atrocities, certain Waffen-SS units did assist in rounding up[3] (http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/h-einz-42.htm) Eastern European Jews[4] (http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/imt/tgmwc/judgment/j-accused-organisations-04-02.html)for deportation and utilised Scorched-earth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorched-earth) tactics during anti-partisan operations[5] (http://epublications.bond.edu.au/theses/goldsworthy/). Also, some SS-Division Totenkopf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Division_Totenkopf) personnel convalesced at concentration camps, from which they were drawn, by serving guard duties. Other members of the Waffen-SS were more directly involved in genocide. [6] (http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/imt/tgmwc/tgmwc-20/tgmwc-20-195-08.shtml)[7] (http://www.wsbtv.com/news/14243131/detail.html)
The entire Waffen-SS was declared a criminal organisation by the International Military Tribunal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Military_Tribunal) during the Nuremberg Trials (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Trials), except conscripts, who were exempted from that judgment as they were forced to join.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
In 2003 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003), the British government reported that over 1,400 former members of the Waffen SS were living in the UK.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS#_note-wjc)

[Switek]

GodlessAmerica! (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=32061). This topic ws discussed few times in this thread. Serch it! I really share your point of view but from the other side this thread is very informative.

Anyway it's interesting to see how those handsome young men from those pictures became a part of criminal organisation...

[mikcem]

GodBlessAmerica ... What you say is true .. All armies kill prisoners of war
Americans shot Italian & German Prisoners in sicily " Biscari Massacre,
Geta Airfield I can go on . The difference between you and me is 37years
I am a HISTORIAN you are 22year old who has read a couple of books
You are of course entitled to your opinion as I am mine but mine is based on factwell researched . In Vietnam US Marines murdered Viet civilians
Mei Lai Massacre yet they are not outlawed .. This thread is not about
that though IT IS A PHOTO THREAD ! :bash:

[GodlessAmerica!]

GodBlessAmerica ... What you say is true .. All armies kill prisoners of war
Americans shot Italian & German Prisoners in sicily " Biscari Massacre,
Geta Airfield I can go on . The difference between you and me is 37years
I am a HISTORIAN you are 22year old who has read a couple of books
You are of course entitled to your opinion as I am mine but mine is based on factwell researched . In Vietnam US Marines murdered Viet civilians
Mei Lai Massacre yet they are not outlawed .. This thread is not about
that though IT IS A PHOTO THREAD ! :bash:

I just think it would be nice to create NKVD photo thread! Are you with me?:)

[Switek]

I just think it would be nice to create NKVD photo thread! Are you with me?:)


NKVD had worse stuff rofl


;)

[beNder]

I just think it would be nice to create NKVD photo thread! Are you with me?:)

Well, create it and stop trolling this tread.

[mikcem]

Now let us return to photos
Here are two photos from my collection The men are Florian geyer
tke note how RESTRAINED the civilians appear to be definitely threatened
PSARCHASM

[GodlessAmerica!]

Well, create it and stop trolling this tread.

And also Iraq Islamic Army photo thread, and Mahdi Army photo thread...

[Elemental666]

And also Iraq Islamic Army photo thread, and Mahdi Army photo thread...

Do it.


.................

[Bachelor]

from wiki

During World War II, most units of the NKVD Internal Troops were engaged alongside Red Army forces against Axis troops. They participated in the defense of Moscow, Leningrad, the Brest Fortress, Kiev, Odessa, Voronezh, Stalingrad, the North Caucasus and were heavily engaged during the battle of Kursk.
Typically, NKVD Troops played the role of barrier troops, preventing regular troops on the lines from disobedience and desertion. However, they engaged enemy in cases of urgent need and sometimes experienced heavy losses. Large VV units stayed in the rear to maintain order, fight enemy infiltrators and guard GULAG camps.
Altogether, more than 53 Internal Troops divisions and 20 Internal Troops brigades were on active duty during the war. 18 units were awarded battle honors (military decorations or honorary titles). A total of 977,000 servicemen were killed in action. More than 100,000 soldiers and officers received awards for gallantry in the face of the enemy, 295 servicemen were awarded the "Hero of the Soviet Union" title.
After the war's end, Internal Troops played important role in fighting local anti-Soviet guerrillas in the Baltic states and Ukraine.


Correctly. But read attentively:"..... Typically, NKVD Troops played the role of barrier troops, preventing regular troops on the lines from disobedience and desertion...."
Yes. It is the general mission of these divisions-troops-units. They shot in Army's deserters. And it's right, when German divisions broke through Russian Army's defense that they attacked NKVD units. Cos NKVD units was behind Army's units in combat fields. And NKVD have been compelled to enter fight. But NKVD units didn't fought on the front and combat fields.

It's correct: "....Large VV units stayed in the rear to maintain order, fight enemy infiltrators and guard GULAG camps..."
So what?

It's correct: "... Altogether, more than 53 Internal Troops divisions and 20 Internal Troops brigades were on active duty during the war..."
Yes! Russia had huge Army and long front in the WW2. Stalin and Beria needed had many chasteners to shoot people, deserters, criminals... But these Internal Troops divisions and Internal Troops didn't in Army. It were retaliatory parts for executions. In NKVD were employed of fanatics and criminals or simply people. They did not submit (part, member or some) of the Ministry of Defense of SU. It were parts of Stalin-Beria personal guard.

Correctly: "... After the war's end, Internal Troops played important role in fighting local anti-Soviet guerrillas in the Baltic states and Ukraine..."
Yes! If Army released territory from German aggressor that NKVD established a lawful order in the Baltic states and Ukraine. The Army wasn't at war with the simple people of Ukraine and Baltic. It should be understood. In Army went the simple Soviet people, but in NKVD was recruits spesial selection. Some NKVD members should be judged. But not all!!!!
At the same time. NKVD established a lawful order. It is correct. They shot criminals, deserters, traitors, robbers, tyrants, gangsters, marauders... On war's territory it typical situation. NKVD destroyed spies and German intelligence. Many officers of NKVD was real heroes and have deserved the award as the title of the Hero of Soviet Union. They have brought the real contribution to the Victory over fascism. They protected simple people from criminals and murderers. They risked here life and dead for protecting simple people. They fought to saboteurs and killers...

Correctly: "... More than 100,000 soldiers and officers received awards for gallantry in the face of the enemy, 295 servicemen were awarded the" Hero of the Soviet Union "title..."
The title of the Hero of Soviet Union the award. It as the Iron cross in fascist Germany. It had awarded both man of Wehrmaht-Luftwaffe and Waffen SS and doctor Mengele... Urii Gagarin was the Hero of SU... So what?


If reading to "switch on" the brain. Do understand difference.

I have felt the difference! Between people in NKVD... Between people in Waffen SS. People different... There are good and there are bad. There is our history...

[GodlessAmerica!]

RESTRAINED the civilians appear to be definitely threatened
PSARCHASM

Yeah my grandparents told how kind these gentleman were. :)

[GodlessAmerica!]

Correctly. But read attentively:"..... Typically, NKVD Troops played the role of barrier troops, preventing regular troops on the lines from disobedience and desertion...."
Yes. It is the general mission of these divisions-troops-units. They shot in Army's deserters. And it's right, when German divisions broke through Russian Army's defense that they attacked NKVD units. Cos NKVD units was behind Army's units in combat fields. And NKVD have been compelled to enter fight. But NKVD units didn't fought on the front and combat fields.

It's correct: "....Large VV units stayed in the rear to maintain order, fight enemy infiltrators and guard GULAG camps..."
So what?

It's correct: "... Altogether, more than 53 Internal Troops divisions and 20 Internal Troops brigades were on active duty during the war..."
Yes! Russia had huge Army and long front in the WW2. Stalin and Beria needed had many chasteners to shoot people, deserters, criminals... But these Internal Troops divisions and Internal Troops didn't in Army. It were retaliatory parts for executions. In NKVD were employed of fanatics and criminals or simply people. They did not submit (part, member or some) of the Ministry of Defense of SU. It were parts of Stalin-Beria personal guard.

Correctly: "... After the war's end, Internal Troops played important role in fighting local anti-Soviet guerrillas in the Baltic states and Ukraine..."
Yes! If Army released territory from German aggressor that NKVD established a lawful order in the Baltic states and Ukraine. The Army wasn't at war with the simple people of Ukraine and Baltic. It should be understood. In Army went the simple Soviet people, but in NKVD was recruits spesial selection. Some NKVD members should be judged. But not all!!!!
At the same time. NKVD established a lawful order. It is correct. They shot criminals, deserters, traitors, robbers, tyrants, gangsters, marauders... On war's territory it typical situation. NKVD destroyed spies and German intelligence. Many officers of NKVD was real heroes and have deserved the award as the title of the Hero of Soviet Union. They have brought the real contribution to the Victory over fascism. They protected simple people from criminals and murderers. They risked here life and dead for protecting simple people. They fought to saboteurs and killers...

Correctly: "... More than 100,000 soldiers and officers received awards for gallantry in the face of the enemy, 295 servicemen were awarded the" Hero of the Soviet Union "title..."
The title of the Hero of Soviet Union the award. It as the Iron cross in fascist Germany. It had awarded both man of Wehrmaht-Luftwaffe and Waffen SS and doctor Mengele... Urii Gagarin was the Hero of SU... So what?


If reading to "switch on" the brain. Do understand difference.

I have felt the difference! Between people in NKVD... Between people in Waffen SS. People different... There are good and there are bad. There is our history...

You said: "They hadn't took part in war. They hadn't had fighting experience or honor on war's fields..." I posted it to prove you are wrong.

[mikcem]

What a waste of my time this thread has become !!!!!

[GodlessAmerica!]

What a waste of my time this thread has become !!!!!

Well dont waste it! Go to the hell! Join your idols! ;)

[beNder]

And also Iraq Islamic Army photo thread, and Mahdi Army photo thread...

Don't just talk about it little man, just do it.

[HOLLiS]

http://www.lssah.com.ua/lssah_ah_platz.htm



History is important, One problem with WWII Waffen SS stuff it attracts neo-nazis and white supremacists.

Racism will get you banned on this forum. If you post sites that will link to white supremacists sites, you might find yourself on holiday.

Please keep it historical without the neo-nazi/white supremest BS.

Thanks.

H.


I would like those active in this thread to report such posts to the MODS, please use the reporting icon, bottom left, triangle. I would not like to see this thread get closed. Lots of great posts, photos and information in it. So thank you for all who have contributed positive to it.

[HOLLiS]

Don't just talk about it little man, just do it.


You'll have to wait a couple of weeks for him to get from holiday.

[Bachelor]

History is important, One problem with WWII Waffen SS stuff it attracts neo-nazis and white supremacists.

Racism will get you banned on this forum. If you post sites that will link to white supremacists sites, you might find yourself on holiday.

Please keep it historical without the neo-nazi/white supremest BS.

Thanks.

H.


I would like those active in this thread to report such posts to the MODS, please use the reporting icon, bottom left, triangle. I would not like to see this thread get closed. Lots of great posts, photos and information in it. So thank you for all who have contributed positive to it.

I understand all situation about theme of Waffen SS. In general We must understand the thin line.
About link:
http://www.lssah.com.ua/
or
http://www.lssah.com.ua/lssah_ah_platz.htm

It is military-historical club of Ukraine.
Has been establish for military-historical reconstruction.These are military shows, uniform copying, shooting (take part) in cinema, Kino...

Like this club:
http://kazerne.com.ua/

http://kazerne.com.ua/borodino2004.html

http://kazerne.com.ua/photo.html

http://kazerne.com.ua/kiev/k11v.jpg

http://kazerne.com.ua/kiev4/kl17v.jpg

Soviet NKVD and German "Gendarmerie"...

http://kazerne.com.ua/borodino4/b24v.jpg

http://kazerne.com.ua/kiev7t/60v.jpg

http://kazerne.com.ua/borodino/10v.jpg


http://kazerne.com.ua/kiev4/kl23v.jpg

http://kazerne.com.ua/kiev4/kl32v.jpg

http://kazerne.com.ua/kiev7/38v.jpg

http://kazerne.com.ua/kiev7/44v.jpg

http://kazerne.com.ua/kiev7/37v.jpg

http://kazerne.com.ua/kiev7/49v.jpg

http://kazerne.com.ua/kiev7/48v.jpg

http://kazerne.com.ua/borodino5/b50v.jpg
http://kazerne.com.ua/kiev6z/k22v.jpg
http://kazerne.com.ua/kiev6z/k18v.jpg

[Bachelor]

http://kazerne.com.ua/original/20vv.jpg

[gaijinsamurai]

Great reenactment photos, bachelor. Speciba!

[HOLLiS]

Great reenactment photos, bachelor. Speciba!


Yes that is what I was thinking, Bolshoi Speciba.



Gaijin, I have a photo I took of the Bolshoi theater 11:00 at night, hand held, no flash. In June in Moscow. I'll have to show you.

[Rebus]

Hi! Wonderful photos!

I've bought a M43 Feldmutze:

http://i16.ebayimg.com/01/i/06/90/15/81_1.JPG

Where can I buy the SS "patch" for this cap (eagle + skull)?


http://www.androidsteam.com/img/rebus_sign.gif

[gaijinsamurai]

Google "At the Front" reenactment gear. When I was a reenactor, I bought most of my stuff from them.

[Bachelor]

MG-42

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9016/februar082850jz2.jpg

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/7461/februar082854aa2.jpg
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/8984/februar082855ge1.jpg
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2381/februar082866sd5.jpg

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3847/februar082869cy6.jpg

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/5326/februar082872tp2.jpg

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1382/februar082877ho2.jpg

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2949/februar082884jh4.jpg

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1999/februar082885ct5.jpg

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/8500/februar082891yg4.jpg

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1428/februar082904jz3.jpg

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1085/februar082909bp5.jpg

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4504/februar082919rc1.jpg

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6509/februar082921rg5.jpg

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4264/februar082959js6.jpg

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/18/februar082964pl5.jpg

[Bachelor]

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_2_40.gif

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4237/januar083649ux8.jpg

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2143/januar083658te8.jpg

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/8168/januar083661ln7.jpg

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/8888/januar083668nu3.jpg

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/6007/januar083680cr0.jpg

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7673/januar083689dj0.jpg

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/1928/januar083697kq0.jpg

[HOLLiS]

MG-42

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9016/februar082850jz2.jpg






























This is mine, it has the WWII Cartouches also.
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k226/Hollis6475/MR42wTP.jpg

Also I have, Mauser P38, CZ 27, two K98s, and a sauer H38.

[gaijinsamurai]

But you don't have a Bren anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HOLLiS]

But you don't have a Bren anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Are you sure? :) Guess you also missed the Bren Tri pod, carrier and other mags.

[gaijinsamurai]

Oh, oh.......................