Waffen SS troops

[HOLLiS]

Oh, oh.......................


Notice a difference:

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[Bachelor]

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Karl Michael Gutenberger Obergruppenfuehrer und General der Waffen SS und Polizei, HSSPF WEST, Fuehrer SS Oberabsnitt West, Bandenkampf Inspekteur in Werwolf.


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Brigadefuhrer Gutenberger
in Kameradsschaft gewidmet.
Die SA Fuhrer der Brigade 73.

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[Bachelor]

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[Bachelor]

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St.Peterburg aeroclub....

http://vzletim.ru/index.php?uid=planes

[gaijinsamurai]

That guy holding a can of coke is wearing a Heer uniform, not SS. Nice photos, though. Thanks.

[oregongrunt]

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Serbian SS?

[Bachelor]

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Serbian SS?

Albanian !

[Bachelor]

That guy holding a can of coke is wearing a Heer uniform, not SS. Nice photos, though. Thanks.

Yep... For fun...

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_7_10.gif

[ARGAR FORKBEARD]

interested in ww2 German tanks check out my friends web page! http://community.webshots.com/user/jtrowbridge5

[PrinzEugen]

interested in ww2 German tanks check out my friends web page! http://community.webshots.com/user/jtrowbridge5

Thanks. I like the 1970s scrapyard pictures he has.

[Morboute]

If We See The Actions Of Israel In Palestine This Idea Would Arise In Minds That The Hitler Is Only One Who Knew How To Manner With Jews .


uhm, WTF?!?!?!?!

[Connaught Ranger]

If We See The Actions Of Israel In Palestine This Idea Would Arise In Minds That The Hitler Is Only One Who Knew How To Manner With Jews .

Did you post in a secret code??:-P

Connaught Ranger.:)

[Bachelor]

"In herzlicher Kameradshaft, H.Himmler"

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[Bachelor]

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[Bachelor]

Mourning strip of 3 tank division SS "Totenkopf"....
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SS Ring. Copy...
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[Bachelor]

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[Bachelor]

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[dzierzynski]

waffen-ss infanterie mann

[wiking32]

Yes. It is mad(sick) to do fetish of Waffen SS's things. Waffen SS were aggressors and have killed many people. The Soviet soldiers kick ass of Waffen SS. But it was very hardly. They were responsible for harm, murder and crimes. Posters and wallpapers of Waffen SS it's not cleverly now. Hmmm... We must to think about reality of Waffen SS. Though fascism propagation is forbidden by the law. Same... May be some people want wallpapers with them photo and inscription "I'm st--pid"... These are their head's problems. I cannot help them. I'm not a doctor.

I know some historical page where you can found wallpapers of Waffen SS...

http://www.nazireich.net/index.php?option=com_datsogallery&Itemid=49&func=viewcategory&catid=19&startpage=1

http://www.nazireich.net/index.php?option=com_datsogallery&Itemid=49&func=viewcategory&catid=19&startpage=2


http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/91/waffenssqw4.jpg
my comp detected a virus when i clicked on the above:bash:

[wiking32]

This is mine, it has the WWII Cartouches also.
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k226/Hollis6475/MR42wTP.jpg

Also I have, Mauser P38, CZ 27, two K98s, and a sauer H38.

look like the czech (still used today no waffen markings)

[Bachelor]

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[HOLLiS]

Bachelor and Wiking, I merged and deleted a few of bickering posts.

I did not give you guys any infraction(s) that I should have.

Keep the flame war out, stay on topic.

Take this as a friendly reminder.

H.

[wiking32]

ok sorry:-( could you look through the other posts if you get time a delete the other said stuff
cheers

[wiking32]

does anyone have original photos on the correct way to wear the german webbing, mainly the second attachment straps at the front

[HOLLiS]

does anyone have original photos on the correct way to wear the german webbing, mainly the second attachment straps at the front


Might ask in the reenactment section of the forum.

[wiking32]

uhm, just noticed this one.
2942
Seen some pictures of flak guns with white rings on them, each for a downed aircraft. (so the text says in the book)

If its true, then these guys must be really good at aiming!

*edit* then again, they might be full of crap who ever wrote that old book

anti aicraft guns were not always used on aircraft so it could be possable they had destroyed light armoured vehicles,,but i would say that it would be quite possable for them to have shot down that number

[wiking32]

im a member of a re-enactment group,even they are unsure i have the extra strap looped around my belt others wear it loose??!!??

[Jarhead]

does anyone have original photos on the correct way to wear the german webbing, mainly the second attachment straps at the front
I´ll have a look at my WW 2 pics maybe I find a good one.

[Sheikh Al Stranghi]

There you go :D

http://www.mp44.nl/equipment.htm

The extra straps were for carrying an A-frame or rucksack, they attached to hooks. If not in use, you just tuck them under your equipment belt.

[gaijinsamurai]

Some Waffen SS Militaria:

[PrinzEugen]

If thats your collection Gaijin, I'll trade the Zündapp with youp-)

[Jarhead]

Pretty nice photos Andy

[gaijinsamurai]

Unfortunately, they're not mine. So sad!

( My Waffen SS items are limited to a Wiking cufftitle and a belt buckle)

[Jarhead]

Unfortunately, they're not mine. So sad!

( My Waffen SS items are limited to a Wiking cufftitle and a belt buckle)
And thats better than nothing. W-SS stuff is pretty rare and hard to get.

[gaijinsamurai]

Yeah.
The belt buckle was given to me by a German friend.
I bought the cufftitle about 11 years ago. There's no way I could afford one at today's prices.

[kongman]

interested in ww2 German tanks check out my friends web page! http://community.webshots.com/user/jtrowbridge5


dam thats some nice pics .................

[PrinzEugen]

Yeah.
The belt buckle was given to me by a German friend.
I bought the cufftitle about 11 years ago. There's no way I could afford one at today's prices.


Yeah I'd say, prices are insane. That Wiking one is a keeper though, $3K easy.

[gaijinsamurai]

About 6 months ago, I saw one sell for $3,500.

[Jarhead]

About 6 months ago, I saw one sell for $3,500.
You can get a used car for that.
My award-dealer has always some pretty rare stuff but a Ritterkreuz will cost you 7000€ and a Deutsches Kreuz in Gold about 1500€.
Thats just crazy, but you can get there Infantry-assault badges pretty cheap.

[gaijinsamurai]

Infantry Assault Badges have increased a lot in price in the US, too. When I started collecting, they went for about $45. Now, you're lucky to find one for less than $150. Iron Crosses, both 1st and 2nd Class, have skyrocketed too.

[Bachelor]

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[gaijinsamurai]

^ Cool. I've got each of those in my collection. What I really want is the Cholm Shield, which is unfortunately, the rarest and most expensive.

[Bachelor]

Very rare Lappland Shield....

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[Bachelor]

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[gaijinsamurai]

About ten years ago, I turned down a Balkan shield that was being offered at a rediculously low price, because I thought it was a fake. I found out later that I was wrong, after someone else grabbed it. Too bad.

[Bachelor]

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[Bachelor]

Armelschild Laternenfest ?????

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Armelschild Duenkircnen ????


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[Bachelor]

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[Connaught Ranger]

The Stalingrad Shield shown above is a known fantasy object, :roll:originating from Russia and other parts East.

The original design proposed was rejected as being to morbid, the design is described as follows:-

STALINGRAD SHIELD, FIRST TYPE, PROTOTYPE - NEVER MADE.

Form of a shield with a pointed bottom and closed winged eagle on the top, without a swastika. The center had a silo amidst the the ruins of Stalingrad. These silos, which were a landmark in Stalingrad, had been a scene of many bitter encounters.

Facing it, in profile a dead German infantryman with a crown of barbed wire around his helmet.Across the Shield at the top a box with the word "STALINGRAD" in capital letters.

The high command decided that this design was too morbid for consideration and turned it down. Ernest Eigner did not get the opportunity of submitting another design as he himself was killed the following month in Stalingrad, Perhaps his own design was a premonition of his own death.

SECOND TYPE SHIELD:- PROTOTYPE - NEVER MADE.

Designed by Feldmarschall von Paulis, and again it had a pointed bottom. The top was a flat box in which the words "STALINGRAD" in capital letters.
Surmounting this was a closed winged Eagle without a swastika.

The central motif of the shield was that of a silo with the ruins of Stalingrad, Beneath this design was a stylized river, with the word "WOLGA" on it.

The field had a background made up of snow and clouds.
The similarity of both designs gives rise to the possibility that there must have been some collusion, or, if not, that von Paulis had redesigned Eigners work into a more acceptable design.

LAPPLAND SHIELDS with swastikas are total fantasy pieces, as the design was approved for local manufacture after the end of the war, by German prisoners under the control of General Thorne, the British Army Commander allowed his prisoners to wear their military decorations, but would no way tolerate the manufacture of any new swastika motif designs

Information From: WORLD WAR 2 GERMAN MEDALS and POLITICAL AWARDS by Mr. Christopher Ailsby, ISBN 0-7110-2146-5.

Connaught Ranger.:)

[STuG]

Hello all,

again just to clarify a few things.

The "Balkan Shield".

In short, it was never made or issued, it was only ever designed on paper as the first beginnings of a potential award.

A story circulated many years ago regarding an SS NCO named "Olesh"who served with the "Prinz Eugen" Division who maintained he received a Balkan shield, and was given 250 of them to issue to his company...a Senior NCO does not of course issue awards. This story from a single man is as close as you will get to any wartime link to this item.

They have been faked for many years, in white metal and bronze- coloured alloy. Some have army-type eagles and others SS-type.
Some have cloth backings and others do not..

But, they are all fakes of something which never existed before May 1945. Except in the form of a drawing by Benno von Arendt.

Arnheim Shield

Fantasy item. Dates to the same timeframe as the one below.

Stalingrad Shield

Again, the one pictured is a fantasy item. This fake dates from the 1970's and have a UK militaria dealer connection, although some maintain that they were made in Antwerp and then shipped to the UK and from there around the globe.
They were made from rusted steel sheets and were stamped out of them to make them appear to have decades of age...

Dunkirk Shield.

Actually worn as a minature capbadge and not a full size armshield...Soldbuch/Wehrpass entries confirm its wartime heritage.

Warsaw Shield.

10 trial (moulded) manufacturing models of this shield were thought to survive the war...the dies for mass production were destroyed during an Allied air raid.
If you see one of these for sale...it isn't an original period item.

Lorient Shield.

The shield featuring the helmeted warrior certainly was produced in Lorient in limited numbers during the siege. It was made in a a canning factory, from whatever sheet metal stock or offcuts were lying about.
It is an exceptionally rare item but paybooks with entries and original shields do exist to validate it as a period item.

Lappland Shield.

The Lappland shield was introduced in February 1945.
Although it was officially awarded it was never produced by any industrial commercial manufacturer during the final months of the war.

A 1957 version was issued for veterans by the Federal German government however.

Production of these shields was actually started by the Germans who were "awarded" the shield whilst in Norway.
An entry in the soldbuch was made, and they were handed a drawing of the shield instead of a metal version....they went on to make their own exampes for wear on their uniforms.

A photograph exists from around 1946 of this shield in wear on a German who was transferred as a POW to France as the 20th Mountain Army were returned to mainland Europe and is shown below.

Whilst i concede that it is not SS related..neither are many of these shields!

:)

[gaijinsamurai]

Well, thanks for the info, StuG! I feel better about not having bought that Balkan Shield afterall, and knowing the guy who told me it was real was full of shyte!

[STuG]

Happy to help.

They will tell you anything to get hold of your hard earned....

[Connaught Ranger]

Hello all,

again just to clarify a few things.

The "Balkan Shield".

In short, it was never made or issued, it was only ever designed on paper as the first beginnings of a potential award.

A story circulated many years ago regarding an SS NCO named "Olesh"who served with the "Prinz Eugen" Division who maintained he received a Balkan shield, and was given 250 of them to issue to his company...a Senior NCO does not of course issue awards. This story from a single man is as close as you will get to any wartime link to this item.

They have been faked for many years, in white metal and bronze- coloured alloy. Some have army-type eagles and others SS-type.
Some have cloth backings and others do not..

But, they are all fakes of something which never existed before May 1945. Except in the form of a drawing by Benno von Arendt.

:)

With regards the above and here I quote from Mr. Christopher Ailsby's book "WORLD WAR 2 GERMAN MEDALS and Political Awards, page 113.
ISBN 0-7110-2146-5

". . . . It has always been thought that this badge was never produced or issued but an SS Oberscharfuher in the Prinz Eugen division, Freidrich Olesh, told me that he had the job as adjutant, which he held for some time, of awarding approximately 250 of these shields. He was in fact a personal friend of SS Gruppenführer and Generalleutnant der Waffen-SS Arthur Phelps, to whom he was also adjutant.

At the same time they received a wristwatch, inscribed on the back, from Hitler, Unfortunately both the shield and watch were removed from him in an internment camp in England, while he retained his collar patch, cuff-title officers quality, Black Wound Badge, Iron Cross ribbon, shoulder straps and rank patch, all of which he presented to me."
END OF QUOTE

Is it possible that it would have been this mans job to have the awards written up in the mens pay books and to have been present, even if just handing the awards to the Commanding Officer for presentation to the men involved??

No matter what until a period picture turns up with this or any other award being worn, then it must stay in the realms of fantasy.

It must also be pointed out that close to the end of the war items such as medals and campaign shields were written up in the soldiers pay books without any of the items being physically on hand, to be given to the soldier, but the most important thing (even going back to WW1) to the soldier was always the initial paperwork, the item being obtained from one of the many military suppliers, which were located in most towns and cities back in Germany.

I agree there are pictures of items posted earlier that have little or no connection specificaly to the SS particularly the:

Armelschild Laternenfest and GAU MECKLENBURG - LUBECK items which are nazi party party commemoration items.

Connaught Stranger:)

[STuG]

Hello,

i am familiar with the above quote as it in essence what i wrote, but as it is nothing more than hearsay and the (unsubstantiated) recollection of a single individual, no objective historical weight can be applied to it.

It certainly is not proof in any form.

How fortunate that the shield was taken away and is lost to history.....:roll:

As you can tell, i have no time for this particular anecdote from Mr.Ailsby.
If he considers himself a serious author he cannot regard this as primary evidence.

Until a period award certificate (provisional or official), Soldbuch/Wehrpass entry (and remember that as the Balkans were the AO of an entire Army Group there should be thousands of entries confirming this award in circulation. More than 250 men were eligible for this award....) or a photo appear, it is simply a reproduction and exisited as nothing more than a drawing and possible intent.

I think all we disagree about is the validity of the Ailsby quote.

p-)

[Bachelor]

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[Jarhead]

Nice Helmet Bechelor

[Bachelor]

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koalorka... !!!!! Switch on private messages!!!

[Jarhead]

Great photos there
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=125139&page=4

[21StCenturyWarfare]

Great photos thanks for sharing!

[Marsmann]

My Grandgrandfather:48128
I think he was in Wehrmacht
His name was Gerd Bergmann
Missed since 1943 in Russia

My Grandgrandfather, too:48129
Think he was Sanitäter in Fallschirmjäger Regiment
His Name was Johannes Rink

[Jarhead]

You are right Marsmann, one of your Grandfathers was serving in the Wehrmacht. In this picture he´s wearing the Parade-Waffenrock.
I´d say he was an infantry men. Rank - Any Mannschaftsdienstgrad.
Your other Granddad was definitely serving the the Luftwaffe. His rank is Obergefreiter. I can´t tell you if he was a Sanitäter due to its a black and white picture and I am not able to see the color of his collar.

[gaijinsamurai]

X2 what Jarhead wrote, Marsmann. Your grandfather's uniform is Luftewaffe. However, many Luftewaffe soldiers were forcibly transferred to the Waffen SS in 1944/45. Could your grandfather have been one of these men?

[Jarhead]

Btw as far as I know the SS had just one paratrooper battalion
SS-Fallschrimjägerbataillon 500(later 600) it was found in 1943.

[Marsmann]

i know that he was sanitäter, because i still have some badges from him but i'm not sure if he was SS-Fallschirmjäger
but thanks

[Jarhead]

i know that he was sanitäter, because i still have some badges from him but i'm not sure if he was SS-Fallschirmjäger
but thanks

Post some pictures of the badges or awards:)
And a few more photos of your Granddads if you want.

[Marsmann]

tomorrow i will take some pictures of it
i know that one of it is a kriegsverdienstkreuz 2nd Grade
i will also look for more pictures

[Rebus]

Hello, I really need a help! Very simple for you that collect German WW2 militaria (original and repro). I need good photos of 44'DOT camo and WW2 German equipments (frontal photos) of front, back, details of jacket and trousers. I need it to use them for draw SS textures for 3D models of a PC game MOD (ARMA: Armed Assault).

You can contact me on mail: info@revgraph.com
on MSN: super_rebus@hotmail.com

[Jarhead]

Hello, I really need a help! Very simple for you that collect German WW2 militaria (original and repro). I need good photos of 44'DOT camo and WW2 German equipments (frontal photos) of front, back, details of jacket and trousers. I need it to use them for draw SS textures for 3D models of a PC game MOD (ARMA: Armed Assault).

You can contact me on mail: info@revgraph.com
on MSN: super_rebus@hotmail.com
check out zeugmeisterei.de

[Rebus]

check out zeugmeisterei.de

I've seen but I need more high res photos.

[Marsmann]

what type of equipment do you mean?
helmet, boots, radio equipment, bags and so on

[Jarhead]

I've seen but I need more high res photos.
Isn´t that High-res enough?
http://zeugmeisterei.de/cms/de/index.php?pageid=272

http://www.1944militaria.com/44_dot_lite2.jpg


tomorrow i will take some pictures of it
i know that one of it is a kriegsverdienstkreuz 2nd Grade
i will also look for more pictures
I am looking forward to see them.

[Rebus]

I need high res photos of complete set of a '44 dot uniform (jacket and trousers) front and back of each part + some photos of details (it's important do ever frontal photos because I use them as textures for 3D models). if you can do photos to gas mask, breadbag, .... can be fantastic.

If you have msn messenger, contact me.

[Marsmann]

i've already found 2 pictures and i'm looking for more but the batterys of my cam are empty

[Jarhead]

I need high res photos of complete set of a '44 dot uniform (jacket and trousers) front and back of each part + some photos of details (it's important do ever frontal photos because I use them as textures for 3D models). if you can do photos to gas mask, breadbag, .... can be fantastic.

If you have msn messenger, contact me.
I can´t find you on MSN
For that pieces you should contact Sheikh al Stranghi who is also a member here.Or look at the several reenactor-forums on the internet.
And check out mp44.nl
I could provide you with some awards if you need pictures.
Anyway I am collecting Wehrmacht and not SS.

[Rebus]

I really thank you!

[Jarhead]

i've already found 2 pictures and i'm looking for more but the batterys of my cam are empty

That sucks. How about using a scanner?
I really thank you!
No problem.
Just search a little bit more on the net. I am sure you will find some good pictures.

[Marsmann]

i did not need one before so i did not buy one:)

[Jarhead]

i did not need one before so i did not buy one:)
Now you could need onep-)
Anyway back on topic.

[Rebus]

That sucks. How about using a scanner?

No problem.
Just search a little bit more on the net. I am sure you will find some good pictures.

It's from various months that I surf web for find good photos. There is almost nothing of really good! For this I've bought some replicas for take by me photos that I need.

[Marsmann]

I found some flecktarnmuster

Summer:
48149

and autumn:
48148

And some Waffen SS pics:
48150
48151
48152

[STuG]

Think he was Sanitäter

Hello,

looking at the posted photo, the Waffenfarbe on the collar tabs and piping on the shoulder straps do indeed look as if it is too dark for red, and actually looks to be around the correct shade of blue to be medical.

He does look to have been a Sani.

[Marsmann]

I am looking forward to see them.


48242

48243

48244

48245
Luftwaffe Eagle

48246
The Cross is a Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2nd Grade, but don't know the names of the others
48247

[Connaught Ranger]

48242


48246
The Cross is a Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2nd Grade, but don't know the names of the others



The Cross is a War Merit Cross, First Class, Silver without Swords.

The others items are connected to the German Red Cross /

Deutsches Rot Kreuz but you would need to post better pictures for

positive identification.

The helmet with the perforated ventilation holes is for the Police, Fire-Brigade, Ambulance Drivers and not for Military Troops. Often these are placed up for sale with the fancy name of SS Barracks Fire Brigade helmet, just a come on to the gullible to part with their money.

Connaught Ranger:)

[Jarhead]

The Cross is a War Merit Cross, First Class, Silver without Swords.

The others items are connected to the German Red Cross /

Deutsches Rot Kreuz but you would need to post better pictures for

positive identification.

The helmet with the perforated ventilation holes is for the Police, Fire-Brigade, Ambulance Drivers and not for Military Troops. Often these are placed up for sale with the fancy name of SS Barracks Fire Brigade helmet, just a come on to the gullible to part with their money.

Connaught Ranger:)
Nothing more to add.:)
Nice photos anyway.

[Connaught Ranger]

I found some flecktarnmuster
And some Waffen SS pics:
48151
48152

Just to separate FANTASY from FACT here:-

Dont you mean "some Waffen SS Reenactment Pictures!"

Not sure that the Red & White Plastic tape in the background dates from WW2

or the lack of accessories on the vehicle.

Connaught Ranger.

[Marsmann]

yes of corse the two pics with the halftrack are some Waffen SS Reenactment Pictures

[Marsmann]

there you got it:
48291
48292
48293
48295
48294

[PennyWise]

http://www.geocities.com/shadow_bitten/Waffen_SS/waffen_ss_sniper.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/shadow_bitten/Waffen_SS/9th_SS_Panzer.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/shadow_bitten/Waffen_SS/waffen_ss_entrenched.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/shadow_bitten/Waffen_SS/halftracks_crossing_a_makeshift_bridge.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/shadow_bitten/Waffen_SS/mountain_ss_grenade_practice.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/shadow_bitten/Waffen_SS/25th_panzer_regiment_12th_ss_hitlerjugend_grenadiers.jpg
http://www.shunpiking.com/ol0207/images/Latvianwaffen_ss_marchRiga.jpg
http://www.waffen-ss.no/div-bilder/waffen-ss-picture.jpg
http://kelticklankirk.com/Waffen-SS-Totenkopf-Kursk-88.jpg
http://www.tigercollectibles.co.uk/photos/lg/waffen_ss_mg34.jpg
http://www.kursk1943.mil.ru/kursk/arch/photo/073.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5514/waffensssoldierhelping2bn.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/quarters/4635/tanks/tiger1/tiger1_kursk.jpg
http://druhavalkavychod.euweb.cz/images/kursk3.jpg
http://www-cgsc.army.mil/carl/resources/csi/wray/images/ss.gif
http://www.panzergrenadiers.com/lssahwittmann.jpg
http://www.waffen-ss.no/Bilder/HJ-Norrey-en-Bessin.jpg
http://www.notmytribe.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/german-soldier-wwii.jpg
http://library.flawlesslogic.com/degrlle3.gif

[Connaught Ranger]

there you got it:
48291
48292
48293
48295
48294

Hallo Marsmann

Is it possible to see some pictures of the rear of the badges particularly the Red Cross badges and the ribbon bars, the bars do not correspond to any I have in my reference books and I am wondering if they are post WW2?

Is it also possible to photograph the pages of the book?
There is nothing in the photographs to suggest your Grandfather is attached to a s.s. unit, and unless you have his pay book it will be hard to be sure, as all transfers would have been documented in that book.

Connaught Ranger:)

[Jarhead]

Is it possible to see some pictures of the rear of the badges particularly the Red Cross badges and the ribbon bars, the bars do not correspond to any I have in my reference books and I am wondering if they are post WW2?
I´d say they are post WW 2

Nice pictures PennyWise

[Marsmann]

At first the Kriegsverdienstkreuz First Class:
48338

48339

The silver & gold bagdes:
48336

48341

Red cross badges:
48337

48340

The pics from winter 1943:
48242

48243

48342
someone who could read this?

[Jarhead]

1st pic.
Westfront 1940
(any place - I still try to read it) am 10./3.
mein Bruder

2nd pic.
Westfront 1940
(same place like above) am 10./3.

[Connaught Ranger]

The Red Cross Pins are defiantly Post WW2, if your Grandfather survived the war possibly he was a Red Cross Member?

Connaught Ranger.:)

[Marsmann]

yes, he survived the war and i'm sure that he had been a Red Cross Member.
Few minitutes ago I asked my mother and my father:
My Grandgrandfather was only a Luftwaffe member, the other Wehrmancht and the one was a Waffen SS member, but i have no photos of him in uniform:-(

[Jarhead]

It seems that the guy on the left in first pic wears a SS-Schiffchen, look close at the picture.

[Marsmann]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=48242&d=1208431843


Do you mean this picture?

[Jarhead]

Yes. It looks like that there is a Totenkopf on his Schiffchen.

[Marsmann]

it could be a SS totenkopf
but the original picture is just too small to be 100per cent sure

[Marsmann]

i've got an adress of the german dienststelle for fallen member of wehrmacht.
i'm going to ask them. they could me told in which unit my grandgrandfather was.

[Jarhead]

It musst be one. The insignia is too big for beeing a Konkarde. Even it would be Wehrmacht the Soutache on the Schiffchen were missing.
If you have any letter of him from that time you can find out his unit with the Feldpostnummer.

[megusen]

1st pic.
Westfront 1940
(any place - I still try to read it) am 10./3.
mein Bruder

2nd pic.
Westfront 1940
(same place like above) am 10./3.


It says: Westfront 1940
erhalten am 10.3
mein Bruder

[Indiana Jones]

1st pic.
Westfront 1940
(any place - I still try to read it) am 10./3.
mein Bruder

2nd pic.
Westfront 1940
(same place like above) am 10./3.
It`s no place; it says "erhalten", which is of course German for received.

[megusen]

I was faster ;)

[Jarhead]

Well done boys;)
Good to see that some of us can read Sütterlin.

[Marsmann]

thanks a lot

[Connaught Ranger]

The captions on both your pictures read:

"Westfront 1940
erhalten 10./3.
mein Bruder."

And the ribbon bars are also post war connected to service in the Red Cross. The Red Cross Insignia are post WW2 as well.

Connaught Ranger.:)

[Bachelor]

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3909/83071644px6.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3938/98577818jf0.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3092/scan0007uq7.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9774/scan00071pt5.jpg

[Bachelor]

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5769/april081322cw2.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4511/april081323tf3.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/971/april081325nr9.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7747/april081331dj3.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5742/april081330qs2.jpg

[Bachelor]

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9539/april082295ms2.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7339/april082296yn5.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7327/april082297gf8.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9391/april082298pe6.jpg

[Bachelor]

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6043/april081829ke8.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7198/april081830gq9.jpg

[Marsmann]

nice pics bachelor

[Midnight-Magic]

bosnian muslim SS allies
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/u-legion.jpg

This picture however shows Croatian SS allies who live in Southern Bosnia.. or Hercegowina

[gaijinsamurai]

Wasn't the fez worn by Muslim SS volunteers?

[Midnight-Magic]

indeed.. but as you can see there r two soldiers on the pic.
I'm Bosnian myself so I know what it says on the picture
on top it says: Croatians of Herceg-Bosnia!! You are being called to blablabla to enter the Croatian SS.
What the Fez-wearing Handzar is doing on this particular pic is questionable... but that's what it says.

and I have to stress that it isn't proven that Muslim SS were all volunteers. Some might have even been forced... You have to know that Sarajevo was a multicultural city with many religions. To my knowing there wasn't any hate directed towards Jews prior to the 2nd World War. If anyone has proof or information showing the opposite, feel free to post it.

[Bachelor]

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/5818/d0a2d0b5d0b4d0b4d0b820dsl1.jpg

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/1523/12323as7.jpg

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/9787/d0b0d0b4d0bed0bbmi5.jpg

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/3191/d0b0d0bb1td9.jpg

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/1283/2lohmannba4.jpg

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/9623/3320gpvd1.jpg

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/7466/34113299su8.jpg

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/2991/brk01300ex0.jpg

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/7136/brk001700pv0.jpg

[Bachelor]

38th SS Division Nibelungen

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/3898/38divfe7.jpg

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/1148/copyofdscn5181tx1.jpg

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/6930/386lknt5.jpg

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/7471/nibelungen20p1oi6.jpg

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/3474/nibelungen20p4ih3.jpg

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/8167/nibelungen20p26jr4.jpg

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/3225/nibelungen20p28jy1.jpg

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/2619/nibelungen20p30va0.jpg

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/8231/nibelungen20bekleidung2ic0.jpg

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/8224/nibelungen20bekleidung2pk2.jpg

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/539/nibelungen20wast201ns2.jpg

[Bachelor]

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/1647/alfred20schneidereithoj6.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4117/brk00900ni6.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2630/christenf1bq9.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8859/dieckmanna1jo4.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7633/ernst20schmuck20barkmanie9.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/967/erwin20meierdress204er2.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8191/faulhabeit2.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9678/friedrichwilhelm20graundg3.jpg

[Bachelor]

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1121/gustavssonkarlheinz0122bj2.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1397/hansgeorg20von20charpenfl8.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6956/harald20xf5.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6899/harry20polewaczey9.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/424/hauser1vg7.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3046/hugo20kraas23si8.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/5994/johannesrudolfmuehlenkalr7.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/5057/josef20lainerxp2.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6025/klingenberg1jo3.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3982/klingenbergfr6brfq9.jpg

[Bachelor]

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2066/lammerdingdt4.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6025/leon20gillisvc1.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/4196/martin20konradtrx8.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9800/maxdi9.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/4302/muhlenkamp2c20johannesrcd9.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8716/otto20gunschejy4.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/5744/otto20kummrb1.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3596/otto20weidingernj8.jpg

[Bachelor]

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/116/richardschulzetp2.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/3614/scappini5tt3.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7424/scappini204ke0.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5532/schafer2c20maxhw8.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5523/sepplaniersignedoo9.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8365/ssmeyer3se0.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/3010/ssoberscharfc3bchrer20fgd6.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/9307/ullrich2c20karlrk9.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/9214/walter2520girgwe3.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1448/wisliceny149yw2.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8840/5555xz3.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4452/99791157ie7.png

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/9932/svend20arne20larsen2028ef2.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2678/sturmbannfc3bchrer20paumq0.jpg

[Deminer from Sarajevo]

Do you have pictures,maps,links or another data about rule of SS units in during war in western Ukraina and their position in conflict between sovjet partizans(guerillas) and guerillas of ukrainen nacionalist (organizations of Styepan Bendera and Melynik)?

[Bachelor]

Do you have pictures,maps,links or another data about rule of SS units in during war in western Ukraina and their position in conflict between sovjet partizans(guerillas) and guerillas of ukrainen nacionalist (organizations of Styepan Bendera and Melynik)?

Waffen SS GALICIA:
http://ssgalicia.onestop.net/main.html

http://www.ostbataillon.fromru.com/index1.htm#1

LINKS:
http://kazerne.com.ua/links.html
http://www.gruppednepr.kiev.ua/KD_Kameraden.htm

[Bachelor]

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4030/april082973gt5.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/795/april082983qa9.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7915/april082989xg2.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5882/april082990vv3.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4697/april082991xq3.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/1666/april082992ko3.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/1041/april082994yd6.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/680/april082995yb1.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4116/april082996fd8.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/185/april082998dh4.jpg

[Bachelor]

МР-41

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6190/april083070py7.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2856/april083071nr3.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5268/april083073od6.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9071/april083074lr5.jpg


Walther G43

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8098/waltherg43kn8.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7965/april083602tn8.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9089/april083606rz6.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9278/april083609yr4.jpg



http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3025/april083610kh8.jpg

[Bachelor]

MG-13
Made in Portugal.... by the German license.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/782/april083541fw6.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6854/mg13mw9.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6757/april083542oh9.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/1069/april083546fn8.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8527/april083547jk8.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8860/april083549mn8.jpg

[Ghostryder]

Well, I know I've said something here before, but I just can't stand seeing this every day.

This thread is a disgrace to MP.net

[Connaught Ranger]

Yeah!! its a pity how you are forced to come and look at the pictures posted here,

Makes mental not "Remember to complain to the manager".

whether you like it or not its history, it happened, and I don't see to many posters here, apart from the odd history revisionist one, who has no idea what they are talking about, praising the past Regime.

Connaught Ranger.

[Ghostryder]

Well I'm willing to have a sensible debate about this,

I see 90 pages of war criminals and murderers bandied about as re-enactment and discussion material.

The very thought of someone donning an SS uniform in this day and age makes my blood run cold.

You're damn right this is all history; The story of the SS (and I make no exceptions for branch) is one of the darkest chapters in history. I find it offensive that these materials are treated so lightly.

[Mackie]

It's a shame. Those SS bastards look like heros on some pictures.
The real Waffen SS:

http://www.lexi-tv.de/pix/Begriffstextbild/1671_1340_Haupt.jpg

[Connaught Ranger]

Gentlemen, everybody is entitled to their opinion, nobody forces you to go and look at the pictures or comments posted, thats what democracy means, you get to choose what you would like to do, something your forefathers fought and died for, lets not forget that the ordinary German Wehrmacht managed to commit atrocities as well, for example reprisals against Greek Villages by German Geibergs Jäger Units.And the fact that Allied forces are recorded at times of following the "No Prisoner to be taken rule" and not just against the SS units they faced.
The Soviets were also adept at taking very few prisoners when it suited them and lets not forget the Execution of hundreds of Polish Officers in the Katyn (sp?) Forest shot by the N.K.V.D. execution style and buried in mass graves.

Connaught Ranger

[Jarhead]

Not another flame war.
You do not have to look at this threat, keep that in mind. If you have problems with it just leave it.
Its no need to start another discussion about war-crimes e.g. because we had already one a couple of sides back.

[thefusilier]

Great photos. Thank you very much to all the contributors.

[Bachelor]

Not another flame war.
You do not have to look at this threat, keep that in mind. If you have problems with it just leave it.
Its no need to start another discussion about war-crimes e.g. because we had already one a couple of sides back.

I agree!
Not flame, not discussion about criminals. The court has already finished, the verdict was read. What for to discuss about?
Don't be smilar Nazi! They burnt down books, photos and destroyed all that wasn't pleasant to them...

Only historical photos, documents, arms, weapons, ammunition and the interesting information...
http://www.myemailemoticons.com/drop_down/bad_boys/bad_boys_42.gif

[Boina verde]

MG-13
made in spain...



http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8860/april083549mn8.jpg

Made in Spain?! I don't think so.

[Bachelor]

Made in Spain?! I don't think so.


My mistake. Has corrected. Excuse!
Made in Portugal. Made by the German license.

[Boina verde]

Hehehe, no problem.

[Lancero]

My mistake. Has corrected. Excuse!
Made in Portugal. Made by the German license.


Edit it again. They were bought from the german army, not produced in Portugal - were they were named Dreyse m/938 (not MG13).

[Boina verde]

I think my father shoot with this thing.

[TheRussian1]

Well I'm willing to have a sensible debate about this,

I see 90 pages of war criminals and murderers bandied about as re-enactment and discussion material.

The very thought of someone donning an SS uniform in this day and age makes my blood run cold.

You're damn right this is all history; The story of the SS (and I make no exceptions for branch) is one of the darkest chapters in history. I find it offensive that these materials are treated so lightly. totally agree. SS re-enactors come off as idiots to me.


otherwise this thread is full of interesting historical information.

[Ghostryder]

Not another flame war.
You do not have to look at this threat, keep that in mind. If you have problems with it just leave it.
Its no need to start another discussion about war-crimes e.g. because we had already one a couple of sides back.


Well unfortunately Jarhead, I don't ignore things that violate my morals.

I agree!
Not flame, not discussion about criminals. The court has already finished, the verdict was read. What for to discuss about?
Don't be smilar Nazi! They burnt down books, photos and destroyed all that wasn't pleasant to them...

I think I agree with you Bachelor, the past is the past, but history is malleable, and a thread like this seriously toes the line between historical reference, and historical revisionism. I wouldn't be out of line to request these photos removed, this site does censor other materials, but since I personally disagree with most censorship, it would be hypocritical, like you said.

However, what might be inoffensive to one person, might be incredibly offensive to someone else. Keep in mind that, while these pictures might not mean much to you, when I look at them I see people who despised every last thing about me, who tried their very best to wipe me, my family and my entire race off this earth, It's hard to explain, but it's like staring into the face of death. It's not so much the pictures themselves that get me, I was in a history course this semester and had to look at Nazis every day, it's the flippancy with which these pictures are posted. All I'm really asking is that you keep in mind the way I feel about this when posting and discussing these images.


Gentlemen, everybody is entitled to their opinion,

You're damn right I'm entitled to my opinion, you can find it above.

nobody forces you to go and look at the pictures or comments posted, thats what democracy means, you get to choose what you would like to do,

I don't take my moral cues from Nazi era German civilians, when I see something I think is wrong, I say something; we've been through this already

something your forefathers fought and died for,

Don't make like you know what my forefathers fought and died for.

lets not forget that the ordinary German Wehrmacht managed to commit atrocities as well, for example reprisals against Greek Villages by German Geibergs Jäger Units.And the fact that Allied forces are recorded at times of following the "No Prisoner to be taken rule" and not just against the SS units they faced.
The Soviets were also adept at taking very few prisoners when it suited them and lets not forget the Execution of hundreds of Polish Officers in the Katyn (sp?) Forest shot by the N.K.V.D. execution style and buried in mass graves.

Connaught Ranger

Is this a Wehrmacht thread? Or an NKVD thread? Or a 'Whose war crimes were the worst?' thread? No, I don't think so. This is an SS thread, and that's the way it's going to stay.

[Jarhead]

Well unfortunately Jarhead, I don't ignore things that violate my morals. .
Well Ghostryder, I understand what you feel/think. I respekt it.
It would be wrong to deny their war-crimes. But they were also just humans, brainwashed by the ideology of their "Führer".
One of my great-oncles was a Waffen-SS soldier, he was kill in France in 1940 he was just a human...If you know what I mean.
He had brothers and sister and a mother who was waiting for him.

[Ghostryder]

Well Ghostryder, I understand what you feel/think. I respekt it.
It would be wrong to deny their war-crimes. But they were also just humans, brainwashed by the ideology of their "Führer".
One of my great-oncles was a Waffen-SS soldier, he was kill in France in 1940 he was just a human...If you know what I mean.

Jarhead, If for one minute you believe that the Nazi movement was the result of the "brainwashing" of one man, I suggest you do some serious investigation of your nation's history.

As for your great-uncle of course he was human, everybody's human, but humans have the ability to do terrible, terrible, things to each other. Hell, some of the most vicious SS-Totenkopfverbände leaders were educated men; doctors, laywers, even an architect, who functioned in society before, during, and sometimes after the war.

If the Holocaust was to be summed up in one line, it might just have been; "Ordinary men, commiting extraordinarily horrible acts"

But, In functional societies, we hold people responsible for their actions, forever if necessary.


If you want to continue this discussion we should do it in PD & Rants.

[Jarhead]

Sure, just PM me.

[Connaught Ranger]

Oh! Goody Goody!

Cant wait to see an explanation about the Soviet Communist Doctrine and who was to blame, if and when somebody starts that thread in the

"Lets Blame it on whoever section":p

with regards Adolf and his view all it takes is an idea, and enough people who agree and follow that idea, especially when they have been defeated in a war, and their lives are full of hardship from the economy being down due to the War Repatriation payments, it even helps more so if you educate the children to follow that ideology that the world was conspiring against them.

Connaught Ranger.

[Ghostryder]

Oh! Goody Goody!

Cant wait to see an explanation about the Soviet Communist Doctrine and who was to blame, if and when somebody starts that thread in the

"Lets Blame it on whoever section":p



I can't really tell if this is a shot at my post or not....

[Bachelor]

Edit it again. They were bought from the german army, not produced in Portugal - were they were named Dreyse m/938 (not MG13).

Whence the information?
Where it can see precisely?

The owner of the weapon has the information of the expert about manufactured in Portugal.

Dreyse MG-10

http://www.handgun.kapyar.ru/ph/557_01.jpg


MG-13 "DREYSE"

http://www.relics-citadel.ru/photo/middle/2451984519.jpg

http://www.relics-citadel.ru/photo/middle/761102894.jpg

MG-17

http://www.handgun.kapyar.ru/ph/556_01.jpg

MG15

http://www.handgun.kapyar.ru/ph/555_01.jpg

Bergmann MG 15

http://www.handgun.kapyar.ru/ph/553_01.jpg

http://www.handgun.kapyar.ru/ph/553_02.jpg


http://www.handgun.kapyar.ru/ph/552_01.jpg

[Lancero]

Whence the information?
Where it can see precisely?

The owner of the weapon has the information of the expert about manufactured in Portugal.


Maybe the fact that no MG, rifles or other light armament was built in Portugal between mid-XIX century and the FBP M/948 (in 1948). Individual pieces of the Dreyse M/938 or ammunition might have been made here, but not the complete MG.
The Dreyse M/938 was bought "second hand" from the Wermacht (wich had recieved them from the Reichswehr) with the arrival of the MG34. Around 2800 units were ordered and recieved.

[LRPV]

Well I'm willing to have a sensible debate about this,

I see 90 pages of war criminals and murderers bandied about as re-enactment and discussion material.

The very thought of someone donning an SS uniform in this day and age makes my blood run cold.

You're damn right this is all history; The story of the SS (and I make no exceptions for branch) is one of the darkest chapters in history. I find it offensive that these materials are treated so lightly.


Mate, It was not just Waffen SS that committed war crimes. In 2006 a travelling 'museum' of Wehrmacht mail toured internationally. This showed letters from 'ordinary' German soldiers writing home about atrocities in which they had partaken.

So, do we never review any Wehrmacht documentation or history?

Furthermore not all Waffen SS units were involved in war crimes, some have been reported, by the enemy, as behaving with bravery and dignity according to the rules of conflict.

I support Simon Wiesenthal, you judge each man according to his actions, not just his affiliations.

I sit here on Shabbat 10MAY08 on this thread. Some things should not be locked away or else they will be forgotten. To paraphrase some famous fellow, those who forget history are destined to repeat it.

The only objection I support regarding this thread is the re-enactors as it is not what 'I' consider historical study.

[Ghostryder]

Mate, It was not just Waffen SS that committed war crimes. In 2006 a travelling 'museum' of Wehrmacht mail toured internationally. This showed letters from 'ordinary' German soldiers writing home about atrocities in which they had partaken.

So, do we never review any Wehrmacht documentation or history?

Furthermore not all Waffen SS units were involved in war crimes, some have been reported, by the enemy, as behaving with bravery and dignity according to the rules of conflict.

I support Simon Wiesenthal, you judge each man according to his actions, not just his affiliations.

I sit here on Shabbat 10MAY08 on this thread. Some things should not be locked away or else they will be forgotten. To paraphrase some famous fellow, those who forget history are destined to repeat it.

The only objection I support regarding this thread is the re-enactors as it is not what 'I' consider historical study.

Dude, read my next post about locking away pictures like this and the hipocracy of it.

[Bachelor]

http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7811043/m/750108067/p/1


http://www.waffen-technik-withum.de/images/home-bild1.jpg

[Oski]

Here are a few pictures of my father and others at what I assume is a training camp. He served in the 14th PanzerGrenadier Division (Ukrainian):

My Father:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y172/Oskiman/dad1.jpg

No idea who the other soldiers in any of the pictures are:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y172/Oskiman/group7.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y172/Oskiman/13.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y172/Oskiman/group1.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y172/Oskiman/group2.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y172/Oskiman/group3.jpg

[Jarhead]

Great personal pictures.
Welcome on board Oski.

[PrinzEugen]

Yes, great indeed, thanks for posting and welcome to the forum. Here's what Wiki has to say about it, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_Galicia_(1st_Ukrainian)

[gaijinsamurai]

Thanks for posting, Oski. Welcome to the forum!

[Oski]

Thanks for the warm welcome, I have a couple more:

My Father (again):

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y172/Oskiman/12.jpg

A couple more unknown:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y172/Oskiman/11.jpg

The two following pictures are the front and back of a postcard, I was wondering if anyone could make out what is written on the back, I am assuming it's in Ukrainian:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y172/Oskiman/10back.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y172/Oskiman/10front.jpg

A couple more group shots:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y172/Oskiman/group8.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y172/Oskiman/group9.jpg

[Bachelor]

SS-Panzer-Division Leibstandarte-SS Adolf Hitler

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5127/mai08691sz5.jpg

[Bachelor]

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7820/2006081308ms0.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9956/2006081305vg7.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9093/004fe6.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1341/2006081312hz1.jpg

[SpikeJudd]

Ya i think the Germans had a camo jump smock and ive seen pictures of british and canadian paras wearing a camo jackets

Was not the Heer zeltbahn a camouflaged item? SpikeJudd

[SpikeJudd]

@Atlantic Friend:



That was uncalled for. Waffen SS were soldiers not butchers per se. And while it is true that these units did commit warcrimes, even with higher likelihood than the "normal" military since they were polititcal soldiers, there were also quite a few civilians they passed by and quite a few PoWs they took captive without massacring them. As a French one may be angry about Oradour and such, but in the end where is the true moral difference between such deeds and firebombing cities? Both were meant to terrorize the enemy into submission.
In the end it is not fair or just to condemn a soldier just because he was part of the Waffen SS organisation, without looking at the individual, as if the membership to that organisation alone would stamp him as a criminal or a soulless combat android.


Historical study is one thing, but re-enactment another, the W-SS were contaminated by their history. Why not re-enact a unit such as Gross Deutschland, or whatever? As a point of interest, I don't believe that SS-Viking were ever accused of any atrocities; or am I wrong?

SpikeJudd PS, Vehicles are my 'thing' .

[SpikeJudd]

Superb pictures!

Fsck politics, they kicked ass and took names, everyone **** their pants when the Waffen SS was coming.
Nothing but respect for them as warriors.

Sorry, Wrong! Only the early, first established SS units were 'warriors', a lot of the late-comers were anything but, and yes, a number of Wehrmacht units could be found guilty of atrocities.
Check your war-history books.

SpikeJudd

[SpikeJudd]

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b103/Elderscrollsshots/kamfgruppe_hansen_full.jpg

guy on the far left looks very familiar.


I don't know why so many photo's have been removed, but I wish people would not send in pics that they've scanned from readily available books, especially when there are so few vehicle pics!
SpikeJudd

[SpikeJudd]

Hey! Those 2 destroyed tanks near Tornio [where's that?] Were actually French-built Somua S-35s, unusual to see them after battle, they were usually used against partisans, etc. & usually undamaged.

SpikeJudd

[Raptus_regaliter]

Oski:

Yes, the postcard is written in Ukrainian.

Left Side: "Remembering true brotherhood V. Bumba"

Right Side: "With friendly greetings. Long Live Ukraine"

[Oski]

Oski:

Yes, the postcard is written in Ukrainian.

Left Side: "Remembering true brotherhood V. Bumba"

Right Side: "With friendly greetings. Long Live Ukraine"

Many many thanks for that, myself and both of my brothers have long wondered what it meant, none of us speak or read Ukrainian :)

I have one more:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y172/Oskiman/15.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y172/Oskiman/15back.jpg

[SpikeJudd]

Listen ELCI and all the rest of you stupid f*cks on this thread. This is a picture thread....strictly pictures and perhaps a few comments on the pictures.

Utilize some of the military discipline that you may or may not have and keep the "strictly photos and videos" thread just that. Grow up, mature, and realize that arguing on the internet is an excellent display of your childish nature.


This gentleman has got it right, I didn't even realise that this was supposed to be a picture thread, I thought it was a philosophical forum!
Let's have some pics & comments relative to them, please. SpikeJudd

[Bachelor]

East volunteers in Waffen SS, police and Wehrmacht.

http://knihi.com/dobrovolcy/dobrovolcy-ras.html#4


http://knihi.com/dobrovolcy/dobrovolcy-68.jpg

http://knihi.com/dobrovolcy/dobrovolcy-67.jpg

http://knihi.com/dobrovolcy/dobrovolcy-66.jpg

http://knihi.com/dobrovolcy/dobrovolcy-65.jpg

http://knihi.com/dobrovolcy/dobrovolcy-64.jpg

http://knihi.com/dobrovolcy/dobrovolcy-62.jpg

[NowPlaying]

They were not volunteers. Atleast majority of them. And they were not real SS members. Non of them was NSDAP member. Germans mobilized non-german nationalities in "SS" divisions only because of law that prohibited non-germans from serving in Wehrmacht.

[Connaught Ranger]

They were not volunteers. Atleast majority of them. And they were not real SS members. Non of them was NSDAP member. Germans mobilized non-german nationalities in "SS" divisions only because of law that prohibited non-germans from serving in Wehrmacht.


So how did the "Ostvolker" get so serve in the Wehrmacht??

By the way you cant have the words "at least majority" in the same sentence it makes no sense.

[Bachelor]

They were not volunteers. Atleast majority of them. And they were not real SS members. Non of them was NSDAP member. Germans mobilized non-german nationalities in "SS" divisions only because of law that prohibited non-germans from serving in Wehrmacht.

http://www.cheesebuerger.net/images/more/bigs/a093.gif

[Finn76]

Hey! Those 2 destroyed tanks near Tornio [where's that?] Were actually French-built Somua S-35s, unusual to see them after battle, they were usually used against partisans, etc. & usually undamaged.

SpikeJudd


Tornio is finnish town near swedish border, those 2 tanks were destroyed in lapland war, late 1944.

[Finn76]

They were not volunteers. Atleast majority of them. And they were not real SS members. Non of them was NSDAP member. Germans mobilized non-german nationalities in "SS" divisions only because of law that prohibited non-germans from serving in Wehrmacht.

There was no requirement to be NSDAP member.

Majority of waffen ss soldiers did not belong to party, it was more like foreing legion.

[Connaught Ranger]

There was no requirement to be NSDAP member.

Majority of waffen ss soldiers did not belong to party, it was more like foreing legion.

In the German Divisions of the ss if you were a German citizen and not a party member, or a time served Hitler Jugend, with relevant school qualifications you were going nowhere fast. The ss were the military wing of the NSDAP.

You did not just walk in off the street in Germany and say I want to be in the ss between the years 1938 -1943.

As an ss candidate and during his first years service, he was expected to win both the SA-Wehrabzeichen (SA Military Badge) and the Deutsche Reichsportsabzeuchen (German Sports Badge In Bronze) at the age of 19 - 19 1/2 depending on when his age group were called he went into the Labour Service (RAD) and then into the Armed Forces.
Prior to that he would have been in the Deutshe Jungvolk and the Hitler Jugend (so well brainwashed into the ideology of Der Parti ).If after two years he decided not to remain in the Armed Forces as a non-commissioned officer candidate or as a regular, he returned to the ss, he was given special philosophical training (more brain-washing) being thiriughly instructed in the principles of the ss.
On the 9th November, after his return from the Armed Forces, and subject to fulfilling all the special requirements, the ss candidate was finally accepted as a ss man.On the 9th of November he was given the right to wear the ss dagger, and vowed at this ceremony, that he and his relations would for ever observe the basic laws of the ss.
From that day on it was his right and duty, as was the law in the ss, to defend his honour, according to the code of honour of the Black Corps.
As an ss man he remained in the active general ss until he was about 35 years of age, when upon application he was placed on the ss reserve.

But for many they never got that far, this was their ultimate fate:-
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=50661&stc=1&d=1212134124

these two ss men were killed in Buchenwald.

Connaught Ranger

[Finn76]

Well, no. There was no NSDAP req. for Waffen SS. After year 1940.


As example, SS div. Nordland and Wiking.

Which were manned mostly by volunteers from norway, dutch, denmark and finland.

Finnisches Freiwilligen SS-Bataillon "Nordost" (Finnish) 1941 - 1943

SS Panzergrenadier Regiment 23 "Norge" (Norwegian)

SS-Panzergrenadier Regiment 24 (Danish)

And no, these men werent asked to join NSDAP before enlistment.

" You did not just walk in off the street in Germany and say I want to be in the ss between the years 1938 -1943. "

Actually they did, but standards for recruitment were higher. (physical contidion) That is after 1940.

Edit: Im speaking about fighting units here.

[Crassus]

Well, no. There was no NSDAP req. for Waffen SS. After year 1940.

I´m afraid that we may have read different sources, you perhaps ment to say after 1943?

As example, SS div. Nordland and Wiking.

Which were manned mostly by volunteers from norway, dutch, denmark and finland.This might be a another misunderstanding - Most of the men in Wiking after 1943 were German and in Nordland they were "Volksdeutsche".

Finnisches Freiwilligen SS-Bataillon "Nordost" (Finnish) 1941 - 1943Perhaps we should not misunderstand political alliance with "racial" alliance. Nazi-Germany hoped that battallion would be constructed from "more" germanic elements - swedish-speaking Finns.
Väino Tanner (socialist) amongst many said no.

SS Panzergrenadier Regiment 23 "Norge" (Norwegian)

SS-Panzergrenadier Regiment 24 (Danish)

And no, these men werent asked to join NSDAP before enlistment.That was done late 1943 when Gottlob Berger finally got Himmler to understand "Pan-European" cause - fight against communism and to get Himmler to drop his mad rasist attidude.

[ Actually they did, but standards for recruitment were higher. (physical contidion) That is after 1940.Simply no

Edit: Im speaking about fighting units here.There was interchange of personell between Allgemeine-SS and Waffen-SS.

Hint: Josef Mengele.

[rattenkrieger]

This might be a another misunderstanding - Most of the men in Wiking after 1943 were German and in Nordland they were "Volksdeutsche".

Even Joseph Mengele was a member of wiking...

[ramthor]

There may be a misunderstanding here ... the discussion was about Freiwillegen (sp?) SS auxiliaries ... armed foreign supporters, not the German waffen SS.

NSDAP was a German political party -- foreign support welcome, membership, Nein!

eg: Tony Blair is a big Bush supporter, but he can't join the Republican Party.

[hank]

There may be a misunderstanding here ... the discussion was about Freiwillegen (sp?) SS auxiliaries ... armed foreign supporters, not the German waffen SS.

NSDAP was a German political party -- foreign support welcome, membership, Nein!

eg: Tony Blair is a big Bush supporter, but he can't join the Republican Party.

Not to pick nits but Tony Blair could join the Republican Party. So that's not a good anology. The communist party might be a better analogy, but Republicans and the NSDP are not synonymous in any way.

hank

[Bachelor]

cartridge (patron) for Mauser / series for Waffen SS

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/592/mai081856qi5.jpg

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/162/mai081859mu7.jpg

"Any soldier in the world will not be better than we are!"

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/5492/mai081924st1.jpg

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/8848/mai081925zj9.jpg

[ramthor]

Not to pick nits but Tony Blair could join the Republican Party. So that's not a good anology.
hank

That threw me for a minute, Hank, so I called my neighbor who is a GOP county commissioner where I live. The word is that the Republicans welcome the support (and $$ ;) of all comers, but that the earmark for actual party "membership" is that you be eligible to vote (or can register to vote) under the laws of the state in which you reside.

So, too bad for Tony. He's much too smart to jump into this mess anyway.

[Bachelor]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=279&pictureid=2597

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=279&pictureid=2598

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=279&pictureid=2600

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=279&pictureid=2599

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=279&pictureid=2602

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http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=279&pictureid=2606

[Bachelor]

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[Bachelor]

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2371/3440117314lx4.jpg

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[Bachelor]

Military-historical reconstruction near to Kiev Ukraine...10 мая 2008...


http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/albius-sotona/album/37208/

http://rkka.kiev.ua/gallery2/v/reenacting/sevastopol_2008/orel/?g2_page=1

http://news.1plus1.ua/bin/video.php?media_id=65137&section_id=1&subtype_id=&subtype=#media_id

http://h.ua/story/98184/

http://foto.mail.ru/mail/alex_diewelt/347/?page=2

http://photo.unian.net/rus/themes/7687/

http://rkka.kiev.ua/gallery2/v/reenacting/nevskiipjatachok/?g2_page=5

http://rkka.kiev.ua/gallery2/v/reenacting/taktikakiur/?g2_page=1


http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/19/albius-sotona.a/0_d47f_d675011d_XL.jpg

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/21/albius-sotona.a/0_d47c_f6c2564_orig

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http://h.ua/art/2008/05/12/98184/98184_6.jpg

http://rkka.kiev.ua/gallery2/d/20695-2/_ORL4836.JPG

http://rkka.kiev.ua/gallery2/d/20835-1/_ORL5012.JPG

http://rkka.kiev.ua/gallery2/d/20909-1/_ORL5369.JPG

http://h.ua/art/2008/02/23/85154/85154_8.jpg

http://rkka.kiev.ua/files/u1/___________5.jpg

http://h.ua/art/2008/05/22/100253/100253_1.jpg

[Yosy]

A question: is there any link between the Einsatzgruppen and the Waffen-SS (besides being both part of the SS) in terms of personnel, operations, etc?

And did the SD supported the Waffen-SS with intel or was the Abwehr in charge of it?

[Luno]

need some help i am looking for pictures of waffen SS soldiers with Mg 35/36 :)

[Bachelor]

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/18/juni08445lo6.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7338/juni08584wq4.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6551/juni08592qw7.jpg

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http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/648/mai081978rf0.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5416/mai081979tz4.jpg

[Adr]

Original SS ID Tags from my collection.

[Bachelor]

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[Bachelor]

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1305/ssita3252022520eagleslz8.jpg


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[Bachelor]

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9164/stefanbayer2eo8.jpg

[Bachelor]

Farewell... Before one way to hell!

http://wehrmacht.pri.ee/fotod/hintzer/seeria2/168815.jpg

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http://www.wehrmacht.pri.ee/fotod/hintzer/seeria3/151237.jpg

http://www.wehrmacht.pri.ee/fotod/hintzer/seeria3/151239.jpg

http://www.wehrmacht.pri.ee/fotod/hintzer/seeria3/151241.jpg

http://www.wehrmacht.pri.ee/fotod/hintzer/seeria3/151245.jpg

http://www.wehrmacht.pri.ee/fotod/hintzer/seeria3/151249.jpg

[Bachelor]

http://www.wehrmacht.pri.ee/fotod/hintzer/seeria9/153377.jpg

http://www.wehrmacht.pri.ee/fotod/hintzer/seeria9/153383.jpg

[Connaught Ranger]

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2371/3440117314lx4.jpg

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/294/4294706610to1.jpg

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1057/1371873780ba6.jpg

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2276/2804847597dx8.jpg

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/5926/4816403873ss2.jpg

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/5164/8037070999hc7.jpg

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/6822/5309704658yd6.jpg

With regards this weapon I don't see any Waffefabrik SS stamps on it, so has it any connection to the SS?:roll:

[Switek]

Farewell... Before one way to hell!

http://wehrmacht.pri.ee/fotod/hintzer/seeria2/168815.jpg


Rest in Hell! All of you and forever... :bash:

[Bachelor]

With regards this weapon I don't see any Waffefabrik SS stamps on it, so has it any connection to the SS?:roll:

Specially for you! http://skins.hotbar.com/skins/mailskins/em/033102/033102bigblink_1_prv.gif

And... Can you show me weapons like MG or MP or Walther or Parabellum or Mauser with Waffen SS brands or stamps?

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/5233/470yu2.jpg

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/7836/651uv1.jpg

[HOLLiS]

Specially for you! http://skins.hotbar.com/skins/mailskins/em/033102/033102bigblink_1_prv.gif

And... Can you show me weapons like MG or MP or Walther or Parabellum or Mauser with Waffen SS brands or stamps?

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/7836/651uv1.jpg


I use to have one of those, made around 1915. Impressive fire arm.

Sold it at the time for a tiddy sum, which now seems pretty meager.

Thanks for the photos.

[HOLLiS]

Rest in Hell! All of you and forever... :bash:


I agree with you, but remind myself that could have been anyone of us. What happened to Germany could have happened to any country. Freedom is lost when we give it up for security. A twisted view that took over the lives of a people that cost the lives of up to a 100 Million people.

[Bachelor]

Rest in Hell! All of you and forever... :bash:

May be... Soldiers on the rest in Hell. And never come back from there. Because road to Hell only in one side....
Mn/ War is Hell...


http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/9971/deepsleep.gif

[Karo]

Specially for you! http://skins.hotbar.com/skins/mailskins/em/033102/033102bigblink_1_prv.gif

And... Can you show me weapons like MG or MP or Walther or Parabellum or Mauser with Waffen SS brands or stamps?


http://www.empirearms.com/8673.jpg

http://www.empirearms.com/7074.jpg

http://www.empirearms.com/5190a.jpg

http://www.empirearms.com/7198.jpghttp://www.empirearms.com/K6672.jpg

[gaijinsamurai]

Nice K98 pics, Karo!

[gaijinsamurai]

Rest in Hell! All of you and forever... :bash:

I agree that a lot of the Nazis who were responsible for aggression and atrocities should be burning in hell (if there is such a place), but as for the common soldier, even those who volunteered for the Waffen SS (or were drafted into it, later in the war), it's not quite so black and white.
If all the Waffen SS troops are burning in Hades, then I suppose Stalin's and Mao's henchmen, a lot of Khmer Rouge, and even some of Custer's 7th Cavalry troopers are likely with them, along with the guy who's on the US $20 bill, Andrew "The Only Good Indian is a Dead Indian" Jackson!

[Bachelor]

http://www.empirearms.com/8673.jpg





http://www.empirearms.com/7198.jpg

Thanks! It is new for me...
I did not see similar stamps on other weapon..., like MG or MP...
Looks like it isn't stamp... More like etching or acid writing... "Totenkopf"

I have found the book... Richard D.Law "BACKBONE OF THE WEHRMACHT. The GERMAN K98k RIFLE 1938-1945"

http://www.euroarms.net/Marchi_tedeschi/Marchi_D_IMG/LAW300.jpg

http://www.euroarms.net/Marchi_tedeschi/Marchi_D_IMG/K98-TOTEN_02.jpg

http://www.euroarms.net/Marchi_tedeschi/Marchi_D_IMG/K98-TOTEN_01.jpg

[Switek]

I'm sorry for my emotional reaction. I know, by numbers, only minority of Waffen SS members were responsible for war crimes and simple criminal acts and most of them weren't Germans or western Europeans by origin. But, besides all similarities to regular army, SS wasn't a typical armed forces. It was an organization above a rules of war laws and performance typical for armies.

The problem is that posting so many cool and climate pictures we can forget a real purpose of creation of SS and Waffen SS and the fact that all SS members (I will never call them soldiers - they do not deserve this name) were recognized as a members of criminal organization (except SSmen from Latvian and Estonian SS divisions AFAIK)... Even if most of SS members weren't responsible for slaughters they responsibility is they made it possible.

[Marsmann]

Not Waffen SS but some Secret Weapons of Germany
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/books/germany_secret_weapons_wwii/v1_007.jpg

http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/books/germany_secret_weapons_wwii/v1_005.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/books/germany_secret_weapons_wwii/reichenberg_IV_001.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/books/germany_secret_weapons_wwii/ju_287_02.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/books/germany_secret_weapons_wwii/he_162_04.jpghttp://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/books/germany_secret_weapons_wwii/go_229_02.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/books/germany_secret_weapons_wwii/he_162_01.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/books/germany_secret_weapons_wwii/ar_234_01.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/books/germany_secret_weapons_wwii/60cm_thor_mortar1.jpg

[Connaught Ranger]

Not Waffen SS but some Secret Weapons of Germany


If its not Waffen S.S. then why bother wasting space posting it here on the:

WAFFEN SS TROOPS THREAD:bash:

[Switek]

If its not Waffen S.S. then why bother wasting space posting it here on the:

WAFFEN SS TROOPS THREAD:bash:

couse he's new and can be disoriented... Simple? I've made some mistakes as newbie, as well so keep your comment more polite.

Nice pix, Marsmann worthy separate thread woot

[Marsmann]

52305
Does someone know his name?

[Bachelor]

If its not Waffen S.S. then why bother wasting space posting it here on the:

WAFFEN SS TROOPS THREAD:bash:

Cos... http://smilies.sofrayt.com/fsc/hush.gif They was sooo close near.... http://smilies.sofrayt.com/fsc/forward%20roll.gif

[Bachelor]

52305
Does someone know his name?

Hmmmm...
Are you realy from Germany?

He is name Otto!!!

http://www.myemailemoticons.com/drop_down/bad_boys/bad_boys_39.gif

[G-2]

His name is Otto Skorzeny (someone correct me if the spelling is wrong) otherwise known as the scarface commando. His most famous operation was the reascue of Musolini from Gran Sasso. He was also involved in the battle of the bulge (the re directing of American units problem). After the war he escaped in 1948 after being aquitted on his war crimes charges (his crime being "fighting in enemy uniform" related).
He spent part of his time in Ireland between 1959-1969 where he bought Martinstown House, a 200 acre farm in Kildare.after which he worked as a consultant to Egyptian President Nasser and Argentine President and as Eva Perons bodyguard.

[InetWarrior]

I'm sorry for my emotional reaction. I know, by numbers, only minority of Waffen SS members were responsible for war crimes and simple criminal acts and most of them weren't Germans or western Europeans by origin. But, besides all similarities to regular army, SS wasn't a typical armed forces. It was an organization above a rules of war laws and performance typical for armies.

The problem is that posting so many cool and climate pictures we can forget a real purpose of creation of SS and Waffen SS and the fact that all SS members (I will never call them soldiers - they do not deserve this name) were recognized as a members of criminal organization (except SSmen from Latvian and Estonian SS divisions AFAIK)... Even if most of SS members weren't responsible for slaughters they responsibility is they made it possible.
Good post Switek,

If people from West experiences SS crimes as much as Poles, Jews and Russians they will stop trying to find excuses for those "noble warriors"

[Connaught Ranger]

Sorry I was editing my last post when you deleted the others.

So I edited and deleted my last response.

As it bears no relation to the content of this thread.

Connaught Ranger

[G-2]

Done and dusted sir

[AntiTankJäger]

52305
Does someone know his name?

Otto Skorzeny

[InetWarrior]

At least they took plenty more russians with them.
.

and Jews, Gypsys, Gays, Poles, prisoners of war ... Honestly, nothing to be proud.

Pls do not quote all that pictures...

[gaijinsamurai]

Please try to refrain from the flaming. Just post or make non-political comments. It's this kind of crap that causes the mods to have to intervene and lock threads.

I think it has already been established that the Waffen SS committed a lot of terrible acts, but not all of the men or units within their ranks were criminals. Enough said.

[InetWarrior]

Please try to refrain from the flaming. Just post or make non-political comments. It's this kind of crap that causes the mods to have to intervene and lock threads.

I think it has already been established that the Waffen SS committed a lot of terrible acts, but not all of the men or units within their ranks were criminals. Enough said.

Sorry I found this comment offensive
"At least they took plenty more russians with them."

[gaijinsamurai]

Understandable. I would too, especially if I were from the former USSR.

[HOLLiS]

Sorry I found this comment offensive
"At least they took plenty more russians with them."


Comments like that are very offensive, Please report them.

He is no longer a member of this forum.

I can have empathy and feel for those who send their love ones, their children, their husbands into battle. We can respect courage and commitment, but that twisted thinking caused the death and or murder of up to 100 Million people. That we can condemn.

H.

[G-2]

As you say it is that kind of talk which was responsible for such attrocities and it has been my experience that those who glorify murder war and all manner of cruelty are those who would never get their hands dirty. They are the people who sit on a bar stool and rant but when it comes to the action tey advocate no matter how dispicable they expect others to do it.

[kalkun]

Rest in Hell! All of you and forever... :bash:<