Waffen SS troops [Archive] - Page 9

Zeev

08-07-2009, 07:10 AM

You can not say all SS soldiers were fanitic, jew hating murders.
The Politische Weltanschaung (policial ideoligy) which was praised by RFSS was actually not taught between 1939-1945 because of the huge military demants during the war.

I see a dangerous tentative of making these people "cleaner" in this thread.

photos and documents, ok, but let's not change history please, I can see whermarcht soldiers as "normal" soldiers - more or less because they murdered too - but SS troops were 90% hateful and barbarian scumbags, motivated by antisemitism, anti bolchevism, etc, and that justified their acts in the name of the "defense" of aryan race.

Once again I have nothing against this thread as an historical testimony, but let's not forget how barbarian they were and let's not insult their victims by trying to make them appear "acceptable", those "men" were the worst troops - on all points - that mankind ever knew.

Zeev

08-07-2009, 07:42 AM

the myth of raping and murdering by the Read Army stink a bit of propaganda... a cooked up propaganda during the years of Cold War that is still convenient for many in the Westen power elite... just as its mythical cousin about how not alll the Nazis were bad Nazis.. Waffen SS was first and foremost a symbol of the new Arian nation's superiority above everyone else and especially the undermensch like the Jews or the Slavs... Waffen SS were the enforcers of Nazi ideology.. the new ubermensch "the warriors".. Warriors my ass. Many military buffs in the West seem to get overly excited when it comes to Waffen SS just because they fought the Red Army that was the enemy during the many years of Cold War... Too bad no American villages were pillaged and burned with all of its population shot dead and there is no one in your families who were among those. Maybe if something like that happened on American soil many of you had a very different perspective on Waffen SS.

I do understand your point, Russia clearly suffered the most.

Jarhead

08-07-2009, 07:45 AM

Once again I have nothing against this thread as an historical testimony, but let's not forget how barbarian they were and let's not insult their victims by trying to make them appear "acceptable", those "men" were the worst troops - on all points - that mankind ever knew.

Zeev, don't lump together.
I do really understand your concern and what you are saying.
I am not trying to defend the SS.
Mostly it would help to vary in Allgemeine SS/Waffen SS/ Totenkopf/ SS Polizei.
SS is not always the same SS. Its like comparing apples and oranges.
Thats just what I try to say.

And beat me to it am not Richard Williamson.

Zeev

08-07-2009, 08:09 AM

SS is not always the same SS. Its like comparing apples and oranges.

SS are SS, all units were tools of nazi reich, they all participate to the common nazi criminal enterprise.

They didn't deserve the term of "soldiers" or any kind of respect or honours, they only deserve an historical interest.

Jarhead

08-07-2009, 08:20 AM

*clapclap* Zeev.
One of my relatvies was a Waffen SS soldier. He was killed in 1940 in Flandern.
So I guess I shouldn't remind him.

Anyway, back on topic.
Captured Waffen-SS soliders, near Arnhem.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5464/waffenss.jpg
http://img12.imageshack.us/i/waffenss.jpg/

StormzSTA

08-07-2009, 08:29 AM

One of my relatvies was a Waffen SS soldier. He was killed in 1940 in Flandern.

Certainly nothing to be proud of.

heinz89ksk

08-07-2009, 08:30 AM

SS are SS, all units were tools of nazi reich, they all participate to the common nazi criminal enterprise.

They didn't deserve the term of "soldiers" or any kind of respect or honours, they only deserve an historical interest.

so no country can get any respect, because in the history is a lot of Crimes.

And not only in the history, i look in the news and see:

"A 12-year-old girl was killed Saturday evening by Israel Defense Forces sniper fire in the northern Gaza Strip town of Beit Hanun"

So the IDF is an Instrument of Israel ... and IDF is IDF (i dont hate Israel)

I dont say that the SS are angles but you cant say that the SS is SS, there is a lot of propaganda out there ... so its hard to say what is correct and what is lie

Jarhead

08-07-2009, 08:31 AM

Certainly nothing to be proud of.
Wind it up monghead
And its certainly nothing I am ashamed of.

StormzSTA

08-07-2009, 08:35 AM

Wind it up monghead

No need for insults. I'm only pointing out that Waffen SS members are responsible for some of the most gruesome attrocities commited durning WWII. But as I see revisionism is strong among some german members of MP.net.

Switek

08-07-2009, 09:17 AM

*clapclap* Zeev.
One of my relatvies was a Waffen SS soldier. He was killed in 1940 in Flandern.
So I guess I shouldn't remind him.

You should in whole context. I guess he did not commit any crime but belonged to criminal organization.

so no country can get any respect, because in the history is a lot of Crimes. Yes but only Nazi Germany organized it in a scale never seen before...

I dont say that the SS are angles but you cant say that the SS is SS, there is a lot of propaganda out there ... so its hard to say what is correct and what is lie

It depends who says the story and what part of Europe it concerns... me, as a heir of a nation (or race) arbitrary recognized by Nazi ideology as subhumans, have another perspective and represent eternal disdain to whole SS, because of enormous number of organized and individual atrocities done by SS men in my country during last war.

The result is also in Polish grammar as well. In Polish we use capital letter when we write individual names of persons as individuals (kind of noun) as representative of nations, professions, organizations with two exceptions as a rule: hitlerowiec, esesman (no need to translate). Because of obvious...

heinz89ksk

08-07-2009, 09:19 AM

No need for insults. I'm only pointing out that Waffen SS members are responsible for some of the most gruesome attrocities commited durning WWII. But as I see revisionism is strong among some german members of MP.net.

Are you a us american?

StormzSTA

08-07-2009, 09:22 AM

Are you a us american?

No, I'm not an American.

But what does my nationality have to do with what I posted?

Atlantic Friend

08-07-2009, 09:27 AM

so no country can get any respect, because in the history is a lot of Crimes.

It's not the problem of the country here - it's the SS organization that was criminal, as a whole. German SS, French SS, Dutch SS, the whole lot of them, they belonged to a crimininal organization

And not only in the history, i look in the news and see:"A 12-year-old girl was killed Saturday evening by Israel Defense Forces sniper fire in the northern Gaza Strip town of Beit Hanun"

So the IDF is an Instrument of Israel ... and IDF is IDF (i dont hate Israel)

There is a world of difference between her death - which may or may not be an individual crime - and the planned subjugation of nations, the systematic looting of conquered territories, and the careful destruction of ethnic groups. Which was what the SS was about.

I dont say that the SS are angles but you cant say that the SS is SS, there is a lot of propaganda out there ... so its hard to say what is correct and what is lie

The SS was SS. It's okay to study them, as they were part of our history, even if they mostly haunted its darkest pages. But the whole "let's not get political" thing...you can't do that with men who were the armed branch of a political organization.

As for lies and propaganda, there are precious few crimes the SS as a whole did not commit, and one only needs to read Himmler's speeches to know they weren't committed by accident.

Zeev

08-07-2009, 09:47 AM

so no country can get any respect, because in the history is a lot of Crimes.

And not only in the history, i look in the news and see:

"A 12-year-old girl was killed Saturday evening by Israel Defense Forces sniper fire in the northern Gaza Strip town of Beit Hanun"

So the IDF is an Instrument of Israel ... and IDF is IDF (i dont hate Israel)

I dont say that the SS are angles but you cant say that the SS is SS, there is a lot of propaganda out there ... so its hard to say what is correct and what is lie

comparing IDF possible isolated crimes to nazi mass scale murders; cleverer and cleverer.

heinz89ksk

08-07-2009, 09:52 AM

No, I'm not an American.

But what does my nationality have to do with what I posted?

because you say he cant to be proud, only his relationship, father, grandpa ... whatever, had wear a ss uniform ... that not conneted that he is a criminal.

So if you are a US american, i would say you, that you cant be proud to, or can you say me where are all the natives? how many lifes still?

Germany can be proud to, if the others country can

The crimes had his maximum level from 1939 to 1945 with Nazi Germany (and UDSSR) that was industrial killing, unprecedented. In the time before that was only a pre-stage, like human are, they are trying to get higher and higher, and hitler has it overdone.

I hope that in the world history that never happend again

Zeev

08-07-2009, 09:55 AM

It's not the problem of the country here - it's the SS organization that was criminal, as a whole. German SS, French SS, Dutch SS, the whole lot of them, they belonged to a crimininal organization

The SS was SS. It's okay to study them, as they were part of our history, even if they mostly haunted its darkest pages. But the whole "let's not get political" thing...you can't do that with men who were the armed branch of a political organization..

I cannot agree more, no one here said that as an exemple, whermacht soldiers didn't deserve respect ( even if they were a full part of the nazi germany war machine), but as atlantic friend said, SS cannot be put on the same line, for obvious reasons.

So yes, sharing documents and study them is ok, its history, a fact.

but any tentative of rehabilitation of ANY SS UNIT is a mark of sympathy toward them, and it is also a kind of revisionim, and I hope that mods will do the necessary if that happens in the future of this thread.

heinz89ksk

08-07-2009, 09:55 AM

comparing IDF possible isolated crimes to nazi mass scale murders; cleverer and cleverer.

oh i forget to swich on the sarcasm button

Zeev

08-07-2009, 10:00 AM

oh i forget to swich on the sarcasm button

Nothing in your post showed any kind of sarcasm.

In the future, choose better comparaisons, this "I'll try to hit where it hurts" was of a very bad taste, and insulting for israeli members here.

Mackie

08-07-2009, 10:00 AM

comparing IDF possible isolated crimes to nazi mass scale murders; cleverer and cleverer.

I don't agree with Heinz89ksks post but what he means is that the SS wasn't only a bunch of criminals. Even in 1942 my grand-uncle was forced to join the SS troops, then deserted in 1943 and went to the underground till 1945.
If they had found him --> headshot

heinz89ksk

08-07-2009, 10:01 AM

I cannot agree more, no one here said that as an exemple, whermacht soldiers didn't deserve respect ( even if they were a full part of the nazi germany war machine), but as atlantic friend said, SS cannot be put on the same line, for obvous reasons.

So yes, sharing documents and study them is ok, its history, a fact.

but any tentative of rehabilitation of ALL SS is a mark of sympathy toward them, and it is also a kind of revisionim, and I hope that mods will do the necessary if that happens in the future of this thread.

The (http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&p=thMx..&search=The) exception (http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&p=thMx..&search=exception) proves (http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&p=thMx..&search=proves) the (http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&p=thMx..&search=the) rule (http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&p=thMx..&search=rule), i only will say that not all SS are bad, i give you right the nazi germany was the worst country ever, but there is a time before and after.

Zeev

08-07-2009, 10:03 AM

I don't agree with Heinz89ksks post but what he means is that the SS wasn't only a bunch of criminals. Even in 1942 my grand-uncle was forced to join the SS troops, then deserted in 1943 and went to the underground till 1945.
If they had found him --> headshot

All SS members were maybe not all criminals, but they all belonged to a criminal organisation.

Mackie

08-07-2009, 10:03 AM

But as I see revisionism is strong among some german members of MP.net.

You are an idiot.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4306517#post4306517

heinz89ksk

08-07-2009, 10:03 AM

Nothing in your post showed any kind of sarcasm.

In the future, choose better comparaisons, this "I'll try to hit were it hurts" was of a very bad taste, and insulting for israeli members here.

my english are not good, so its hard to me, to write my mind in words

StormzSTA

08-07-2009, 10:07 AM

because you say he cant to be proud, only his relationship, father, grandpa ... whatever, had wear a ss uniform ... that not conneted that he is a criminal.
I didn't say one of his relatives was a criminal. But he was a member of an organization which is responsible for some of the most horrific crimes against humanity.

So if you are a US american, i would say you, that you cant be proud to, or can you say me where are all the natives? how many lifes still?

So you're comparing German war crimes from WWII to conflict between american military and Native Americans in the 19th century? Incomparable.

Germany can be proud to, if the others country can

Yes, Germans can be proud of a lot of different things but certainly none of them happend from 1933 to 1945.

I hope that in the world history that never happend again
Amen to that!

heinz89ksk

08-07-2009, 10:08 AM

All SS members were maybe not all criminals, but they all belonged to a criminal organisation.

that is right, it was a criminal organisation

one of my relationship have to go to the SS, after a time he hide in the stack of the house of his family, and died because he get pneumonia

StormzSTA

08-07-2009, 10:11 AM

You are an idiot.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4306517#post4306517

So Mackie, you called me an idiot and posted a link to some other thread that has no relevance to this discussion? Are you sure it's not you who is an idiot?

Mike Kilo

08-07-2009, 10:13 AM

heinz89ksk

08-07-2009, 10:13 AM

I didn't say one of his relatives was a criminal. But he was a member of an organization which is responsible for some of the most horrific crimes against humanity.

So you're comparing German war crimes from WWII to conflict between american military and Native Americans in the 19th century? Incomparable.

Yes, Germans can be proud of a lot of different things but certainly none of them happend from 1933 to 1945.

Amen to that!

so we cant to be proud of that time, but the world uses a lot of things that germany made in this time ... p-)

Zeev

08-07-2009, 10:19 AM

C´mon Zeev, tell us something new. I´m tired of reading posts like yours.

You're tired to read the truth?

Okay so tell us how much they were great and honourable german warriors that deserve respect and to be admired.

Mike Kilo

08-07-2009, 10:20 AM

Back to topic

SS-Paras at Drvar. Sorry for reposts.

StormzSTA

08-07-2009, 10:20 AM

so we cant to be proud of that time, but the world uses a lot of things that germany made in this time ... p-)

In comparison to political and social events of that period of time in german history anything else is really insignificant.

HOLLiS

08-07-2009, 10:24 AM

Let's keep this thread on historical content, Keep the "other" comments out. IF you feel someone is trying to promote the SS, report them. DO NOT COMMENT.

StormzSTA

08-07-2009, 10:25 AM

............................

Mike Kilo

08-07-2009, 10:35 AM

Some in color

Zeev

08-07-2009, 12:22 PM

IF you feel someone is trying to promote the SS, report them. DO NOT COMMENT.

Thanks Hollis.

Herbert Otto Gille

08-07-2009, 06:38 PM

Hallo, I'm new in militaryphotos.net. I like WW2 and expecially the history of Waffen SS. Off course, I want to give a little contribution to this topic with some photos of Herbert Otto Gille, one of the best generals of Waffen SS. He was the first Waffen SS holder of Knight's Cross with oakleaves, sword and diamond as well as the most highly decorated member of the Waffen SS.

Sorry for my bad english.

Herbert Otto Gille

08-07-2009, 07:28 PM

Second photo is very famous. Left to right: Leon Degrelle; Herbert Otto Gille (he weared the Knight' s Cross with oakleaves and the German Cross in gold) Hermann Fegelein; Adolf Hitler.

18.02.1944 - After the disaster of Korsun, Hitler gives the Knight Cross in the hands of Degrelle. Gille waited his swords.

Sorry for my bad english.

Wally1967

08-07-2009, 08:13 PM

Sorry for my bad english.

You did very well in English and welcome to MPnet

and thanks for pictures.

Pandemonium

08-07-2009, 09:26 PM

I hope these aren't reposts

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/8110/ssstandartenfhrerleonde.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/7351/pdpwib232.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3733/picoriggssfwobservers.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/195/mgderevnjapa4.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3316/f4oisn.gif

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5746/hat2529ef7.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8805/mauserc96.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5757/120662384243t13b3niempa.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4535/ssintraining.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1456/attacksstotenkopf.jpg

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8288/aamg42teamof12sspanzerd.jpg

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3223/waffensshousetohousefig.jpg

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5740/piatr.jpg

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/861/70488621bx6.jpg

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2183/latvialaisiawg8.jpg

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/989/danishmembersofthewaffe.jpg

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2311/younggrenadierof12thssp.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8475/ssinaction.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8757/pziv12sspzdivhj625.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3562/adutchsoldierof5thsspan.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2402/ayoungpanzergrenadierof.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8956/waffenssgrenadierswithu.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5558/younggrenadiersof12thss.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3207/sssoldiersandtheircatch.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7521/grenadiersofthe3sspanze.jpg

AroundTheCorner

08-07-2009, 10:48 PM

^^^ Great pic's. Some are reposts, but some are new (at least to me).

Marsmann

08-08-2009, 04:41 AM

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5757/120662384243t13b3niempa.jpg

from ebay?

Herbert Otto Gille

08-08-2009, 06:55 AM

Photo 1 - Left to to righht: H.G.Gille and Hellmuth Becker (Hungary, January 1945)

Photo 2 - 5th SS Panzer Division Wiking in the eastern front. In november 1942, Wiking pioneers established a bridgehead over Terek River (near Grozny), the east point ever more reached during the war by a german unity.

Photo 3 - Original document signed by Gille

Pandemonium

08-08-2009, 07:20 AM

from ebay?

Could be I found this on an other forum along with other pictures of T-15's, some were copied from e-bay

Herbert Otto Gille

08-08-2009, 01:02 PM

I think these aren't reposts - very rare, Waffen SS propaganda poster

Marsmann

08-09-2009, 01:02 PM

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2592/3804542012_11164cdab1_b.jpg

please validate my work:)

IDF_TANKER

08-09-2009, 01:10 PM

please validate my work:)
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg211/froimv/Misc/muaddib84.jpg

The spice must flow.

RIPTIDE

08-09-2009, 05:42 PM

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2592/3804542012_11164cdab1_b.jpg

please validate my work:)
Under the mans ear... is that a UFO???? :)

Marsmann

08-09-2009, 05:46 PM

Under the mans ear... is that a UFO???? :)
yes of course it's a ufo, strictly speaking hitler's private ufo on its way to the north pole:):):)

....no it's a rip on the photo

Bachelor

08-09-2009, 06:17 PM

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/4086/543u.jpg

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3681/41672453.jpg

Herbert Otto Gille

08-10-2009, 04:56 AM

SS - Obergruppenfuhrer und General der Waffen SS Arthur Phleps. After a short service in the 5th SS Panzer Division Wiking, he held the command of the 7th SS Frewilligen Gebirgs Division "Prinz Eugen", then he leaded the V. SS Gebirgs Korps. His units were employed in a lot of anti- partisans operations in the Balkans, committing often war crimes against the civil population.Captured by Soviets during the Jassy- Chisinau offensive (Romania, august 1944), he was probably shot by them during a german air raid. He was postumosly awarded with the Knight's Cross with Oakleaves.

Look photo number 7 (22 may 1943, taken in an Yugoslavia Airport). Left to right: italian commander Escola Roncagli, a young austrian Wehrmacht officier, Colonel Hans Herbert Macholz, General Arthur Phelps. Who is the second officier? ;-)

Bachelor

08-10-2009, 06:54 AM

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4631/090d.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7932/092m.jpg

Bachelor

08-10-2009, 07:20 AM

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/7864/img103.jpg

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4304/img275.jpg

Switek

08-10-2009, 04:23 PM

Vet, the problem of Germany and Germans under Nazi rule was discussed many times on mp.net on other threads. Be so kind and make some research and continue this discussion out of this thread.

Herbert Otto Gille

08-11-2009, 11:38 AM

Other photos of Arthur Plheps.

danny555

08-15-2009, 01:19 PM

http://s57.radikal.ru/i158/0908/40/9c1d56e2d2e4.jpg

luftw

08-15-2009, 01:35 PM

http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/j/a/jawaharlal/athene-5pxpjdq54x4rbolf19a_layout.jpg

Herbert Otto Gille

08-16-2009, 06:05 AM

Waffen SS - Nederland Recruiting posters

Bachelor

08-17-2009, 06:49 PM

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6928/2021l.jpg

Herbert Otto Gille

08-18-2009, 05:17 PM

Another pics of Arthur Plheps...

maurice

08-18-2009, 05:29 PM

http://www.flamesofwar.com/Portals/0/all_images/Historical/Normandy/Waffen-SS-01.jpg

Atlantic Friend

08-19-2009, 01:53 PM

Who is the second officier? ;-)

Would that be that bastard Reinhardt Heydrich?

maurice

08-19-2009, 04:40 PM

http://www.tigercollectibles.co.uk/photos/lg/waffen_ss_mg34.jpg

Herbert Otto Gille

08-19-2009, 04:51 PM

Would that be that bastard Reinhardt Heydrich?

Not correct. Heydrich was a SS, second officier of the pic weared Wehrmacht uniform. Very similar, it isn' t true? This is a photo of the austrian officier with an ex - enemy many years after WW2...When I saw this photo I don't believed at my eyes...

Bachelor

08-19-2009, 05:55 PM

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/4954/juli09619.jpg

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/5096/juli09620.jpg

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9919/juli09621.jpg

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/2523/juli09622.jpg

Atlantic Friend

08-19-2009, 06:01 PM

Not correct. Heydrich was a SS, second officier of the pic weared Wehrmacht uniform. Very similar, it isn' t true? This is a photo of the austrian officier with an ex - enemy many years after WW2...When I saw this photo I don't believed at my eyes...

Cripes! Waldheim!

Herbert Otto Gille

08-20-2009, 04:25 PM

Cripes! Waldheim!

Ahahah Kurt Waldheim with Tito...History sometimes may be very strange...

Others pics of Arthur Phleps.

Bachelor

08-21-2009, 06:30 AM

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1326/bundes1.jpg

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8202/bundesarchivbild101i721.jpg

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8202/bundesarchivbild101i721.jpg

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3842/bundesarchivbild101i721i.jpg

Soviet Union. Partisans... Children fought with invaders...

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/424/bundesarchivbild101iiin.jpg

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/424/bundesarchivbild101iiin.jpg

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4246/bundesarchivbild101iiinrlhsdk.jpg

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2167/bundesarchivbild101iiinq.jpg

maxmin todt

08-21-2009, 06:39 AM

Thanks for posting. Great quality fotos! Wonder what happends to those poor russians? :|

luftw

08-21-2009, 03:42 PM

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/1168/francesjn.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8577/duits.jpg

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/4535/92695075.jpg

valiant

08-21-2009, 03:45 PM

http://s57.radikal.ru/i158/0908/40/9c1d56e2d2e4.jpg
i am anti nazi but who can say that this soldiers are waffen ss!?

luftw

08-21-2009, 04:01 PM

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6061/schnee2.jpg

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/7172/schnee1n.jpg

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/7091/schnee4.jpg

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7295/schnee3l.jpg

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/213/schnee5.jpg

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/9098/schnee6.jpg

luftw

08-21-2009, 04:08 PM

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8271/photo061s.jpg

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6056/waffen1321.jpg

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/6127/photo3byxugi.jpg

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/510/photo2dvx.jpg

Pandemonium

08-21-2009, 04:53 PM

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/510/photo2dvx.jpg

any info on this one? the terrain looks familiar

luftw

08-21-2009, 05:25 PM

I don`t have any info on this picture. :roll:

luftw

08-21-2009, 05:42 PM

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2522/photo4f.jpg

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9651/photo1lvr.jpg

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/3663/rememberance.jpg

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8785/rememberance2.jpg

maxmin todt

08-21-2009, 06:14 PM

any info on this one? the terrain looks familiar

This is a group of volunteers outside Graz 1942!

Pandemonium

08-21-2009, 07:00 PM

This is a group of volunteers outside Graz 1942!

Thanks, no but it looked like a place not to far from my home, wich was an ss- headquarter, so...

Spagga

08-21-2009, 07:51 PM

Great thread...Great pictures....thx fellas !!

Herbert Otto Gille

08-22-2009, 05:13 AM

Other pics of Arthur Phleps...

Photo 2 - Second to right: General Lothar Rendulic...???

Photo 3 - Phleps and son. Does someone have news on him?

Herbert Otto Gille

08-22-2009, 06:48 AM

Pics of 7 SS Gebirgs Division "Prinz Eugen"...

Herbert Otto Gille

08-22-2009, 06:58 AM

I hope there aren't reposts...

luftw

08-24-2009, 04:40 PM

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/ringgotzvonberwaff11.jpg

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/wafflesspicalb18.jpg

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/waffensspg6opener.jpg

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/ssoffshortcarserv02.jpg

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/ordwafsscmdprag07.jpg

luftw

08-24-2009, 05:27 PM

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/ssbannorwegianlegvol05.jpg

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/waffensspg3opener2.jpg

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/ssphotoalbumnumthree05.jpg

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/ssphotoalbumnumthree13.jpg

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/waffensspg3opener.jpg

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/lahvictoryring07.jpg

luftw

08-24-2009, 06:14 PM

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/waffenssdivwikfork02.jpg

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/paulphotoalbumwss11.jpg

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/paulphotoalbumwss29.jpg

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/paulphotoalbumwss30.jpg

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/ic2ceiskrezteu02.jpg

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/auterfanssalbum26.jpg

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/auterfanssalbum50.jpg

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/ringenordwafsspanzydiv08.jpg

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/larinvestwisebeerglass16.jpg

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/auterfanssalbum61.jpg

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/auterfanssalbum62.jpg

luftw

08-24-2009, 06:34 PM

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/platewafstulangemark11.jpg

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/platewafstulangemark12.jpg

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/platewafstulangemark09.jpg

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images2/openerpictures/SS_man_Sleeping.jpg

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images2/waffenss/CasedSSSpoonSet/spoons_L_15.jpg

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images2/ss/Allgemeine_SS_Armband/armband_L_23.jpg

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/waffenss2headeropener.jpg

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images2/waffenss/Hygiene_Kit/MVC-030S_lg.jpg

Herbert Otto Gille

08-26-2009, 02:43 PM

Last photos about Phleps and Prinz Eugen...I like this unit...

Second pic: Gathering of Prinz Eugen. Flags of SS and Swastika. Runic sign of Odal in the middle of pic (look the ground in front of the central swastika)

Fourth pic: SS-Gruf. Arthur Phleps, SS-Gruf. August Meyszner, SS-Staf. Stefan Hedrich. Look the ground in front of them: "Meine Ehre heisst Treue"

foggyman

08-26-2009, 07:07 PM

very very nice photos.ı will wait...

AroundTheCorner

09-04-2009, 05:50 AM

Great pic's, guys. Keep it up.

Herbert Otto Gille

09-05-2009, 10:07 AM

Look second pic. What are they drawing? I don' t know...

Atlantic Friend

09-05-2009, 11:57 AM

A top hat and an umbrella - a reference to Chamberlain and British statesmen, perhaps. Chamberlain was always represented with an umbrella during the Munich conference in 1938.

Herbert Otto Gille

09-06-2009, 06:07 AM

A top hat and an umbrella - a reference to Chamberlain and British statesmen, perhaps. Chamberlain was always represented with an umbrella during the Munich conference in 1938.

Thanks, Atlantic Friend !

Some pics of Waffen SS...

MkH

09-07-2009, 06:11 PM

Since you who contribute to the thread probably know a thing or two about SS units, I've got a question for you.

My grandpa - who was a Continuation War veteran - passed away some time ago. The inheritance included this porcelain plate with SS-markings. It had been used as a flower-pot base for years :) He had brought it from the war, but unfortunately I never got a chance to ask him its story. Would I be completely off the path to guess that it belonged to the 6th SS division "Nord"? Were there other SS divisions in Finland?

Here's a picture of the saucer in question:

http://make85.1g.fi/kuvat/plate.jpg/_smaller.jpg (http://make85.1g.fi/kuvat/plate.jpg/full)

AroundTheCorner

09-10-2009, 04:19 AM

http://www.youtube.com/v/6KlGMKntf0c&feature=related

Rebus

09-10-2009, 04:27 AM

I need a historical info... maybe someone here can help me.
I need to know which tropical uniform was used by SS (for example Leibstandarte) in Italy. Is the Saharian tropical SS tunic or M43?

In the city of Boves (north-west Italy) the Leibstandarte of Peiper did a massacre and the people remember that they wore a yellow tunic. A veteran of LAH told me that after '43 they were equipped (temporarily) in Italy with Italian wool trousers and tropical tunic.

There are some photos?

InetWarrior

09-10-2009, 05:16 AM

Jarhead

09-10-2009, 07:02 AM

I need a historical info... maybe someone here can help me.
I need to know which tropical uniform was used by SS (for example Leibstandarte) in Italy. Is the Saharian tropical SS tunic or M43?

It was probably the Saharan tunic.
Anyway the units on the "Südfront" - (Sicily, Italy) were equiped with tropical and fieldgrey uniforms.

luftw

09-10-2009, 02:11 PM

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/1518/56572999.jpg

Herbert Otto Gille

09-10-2009, 04:56 PM

Pic 1 - The War is over! Coming soon on 22.06.1941

Pic 2 - SS played country in the russian steppes. Unknow unit.

Pic 3 - From the cookbook of Waffen SS... Roast chicken

Pic 5 - Very confortable pillow! I think that a) this SS was very stupid b) it' s only a bad trick!

Pic 6 - Launch. Unknow menù.

Jarhead

09-10-2009, 05:24 PM

Pic 5 - Very confortable pillow! I think that a) this SS was very stupid b) it' s only a bad trick!
Looks like a T-Mine 42 for me.
The fuze went of at pressure of 210 KG

Herbert Otto Gille

09-11-2009, 10:33 AM

Norwegian recruiting poster - 1

Herbert Otto Gille

09-11-2009, 10:36 AM

Norwegian recruiting poster -2

Herbert Otto Gille

09-11-2009, 10:38 AM

Norwegian recruiting poster - 3

Atlantic Friend

09-12-2009, 07:05 PM

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/1518/56572999.jpg

Unless i'm mistaken, these are soldiers 3rd SS Panzerdivision "Totenkopf", here using a captured French armoured car, a Panhard-178. The skull and crossbones is visible on the left of the Panhard.

It's the division that occupied my hometown in june 1940, after a rather busy month during which they executed over 100 civilians, plus a number of French and British POWs.

simple jumper

09-12-2009, 08:23 PM

Pic 2 - SS played country in the russian steppes. Unknow unit.

12.SS in Normandy. From a series of well known colour photos.

Herbert Otto Gille

09-13-2009, 08:07 AM

12.SS in Normandy. From a series of well known colour photos.

Thanks! My archive needs some changes...

Herbert Otto Gille

09-14-2009, 04:55 PM

Photo 1 - The eastern front: theater of battles of III SS Panzerkorps (March- October 1944).

Photo 2 - Helmet.

Photo 3,4,5 - SS Totenkopfring, chained dagger (belonged to SS-Obersturmbannführer Eugen Schlotter)

Photo 6 - Joseph "Sepp" Dietrich' s sword. SS runes, eagle, oakleaves...good design. Look the blade, I can imagine the writing " Meine Ehre Heisst Treue" or some similar thing.

SATNIK

09-15-2009, 06:37 AM

I hope you will like this photos,Croatian legion in Wermaht!

Askold

09-17-2009, 05:07 AM

Ukrainian Waffen SS:

http://i035.radikal.ru/0804/d2/8b1cdd5101c4.jpg

http://i033.radikal.ru/0804/34/e91166158e22.jpg

http://i046.radikal.ru/0804/09/8a6c45345cd8.jpg

http://reibert.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=85823&d=1209487392

http://reibert.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=87195&d=1210212796

http://reibert.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=87199&d=1210213798

http://www.fotohistoria.pl/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=167353&g2_serialNumber=3

http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=106303

http://sammler.ru/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=463938

http://reibert.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=181028&d=1240767805

http://reibert.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=189960&d=1242378798

http://s39.radikal.ru/i084/0904/fe/5c7e795242ed.jpg

http://reibert.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=29923&d=1170697470

http://reibert.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=29927&d=1170698070

http://forum.milua.org//files/col3_849_819.jpg

http://reibert.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=83413&d=1208499929

http://reibert.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=115736&d=1225165911

http://reibert.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=135971&d=1231220085

Herbert Otto Gille

09-17-2009, 05:17 PM

Panzers of Wiking. Various pics... last of them is a postcard.

Hombre_Tostadas_en_polvo

09-20-2009, 12:03 PM

I found this site in Russian abaut Joachim Peiper

Пайпер Иоахим "Йохен" (http://ss-peiper.narod.ru/gallery/paint/paint.htm)

Got a cool pics from him a few examples

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2577/peiperrketrager2.jpg

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/4104/ostubafpeiper.jpg http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6218/peiperrketrager.jpg

Herbert Otto Gille

09-20-2009, 12:26 PM

Wiking photos - 1

Herbert Otto Gille

09-20-2009, 12:32 PM

Wiking photos - 2

Volkssturmsoldat

10-01-2009, 01:43 PM

Wotan

10-01-2009, 01:53 PM

Hi, this is in italian, hope it helps.

http://www.centrostudilaruna.it/britischesfreikorps.html

There's an english book too

Adrian Weale, Renegades: Hitler’s Englishmen, - Weidenfeld & Nicolson

Volkssturmsoldat

10-01-2009, 03:56 PM

Hi, this is in italian, hope it helps.

http://www.centrostudilaruna.it/britischesfreikorps.html

There's an english book too

Adrian Weale, Renegades: Hitler’s Englishmen, - Weidenfeld & Nicolson

Thanks, it can be interesting indeed

Zeev

10-01-2009, 04:25 PM

Thanks, it can be interesting indeed

Hi,

are you a german citizen living in France?

Telmar

10-01-2009, 04:47 PM

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=81324&d=1253006469

Are these troops actually in the process of burning a village?

(pic posted originally on previous page)

Connaught Ranger

10-01-2009, 05:00 PM

Does anyone has any information about some Indian Waffen-SS men/bretonische Waffenverband der SS/britische SS? Maybe some photos? I precise that I've ever been on wikipedia. I just want to know if someone has some rares photos or informations. Thanks!

From reading "Renegades Hitlers Englishmen" by Adrian Weale, its clear that the British Free Corps, was little more than a pipe dream, and never amounted to more than 39 members (page 205 / 206.) Most of whom were never grouped / trained together at the same time, but came into and out of the unit very quickly.

Connaught Ranger.

Volkssturmsoldat

10-01-2009, 06:16 PM

Hi,

are you a german citizen living in France?

I am not. Why? Looks like?

From reading "Renegades Hitlers Englishmen" by Adrian Weale, its clear that the British Free Corps, was little more than a pipe dream, and never amounted to more than 39 members (page 205 / 206.) Most of whom were never grouped / trained together at the same time, but came into and out of the unit very quickly.

Connaught Ranger.

Ok thanks. That's what I had understand. But in this book I think the author talks about around 200 "Hitler's englishmen"... Am I false?
Anything about Indian Waffen-SS or bretonische (from Bretagne, France) Waffenverband der SS?

Zeev

10-01-2009, 07:03 PM

I am not. Why? Looks like?

So why you put Frankreich instead of France as location? Would you like France being a german colony?

Volkssturmsoldat

10-01-2009, 08:28 PM

So why you put Frankreich instead of France as location? Would you like France being a german colony?

I only would like you to stop ask stupid questions, and mind your own business :)

AroundTheCorner

10-01-2009, 11:07 PM

I only would like you to stop ask stupid questions, and mind your own business :)

lol................

Zeev

10-02-2009, 07:07 AM

I only would like you to stop ask stupid questions, and mind your own business :)

I rather think that I asked the good question, otherwise, you wouldn't look so pissed.

vive la france! heuu sorry, le reich!! ;)

Telmar

10-02-2009, 08:21 AM

Interesting thread...

SS enlistment and propaganda posters

Pics of SS who appear to be burning villages.

A "cool pic" of Joachim Peiper, convicted of war crimes and highly suspected of crimes against humanity...

Very, very nice...:roll:

Volkssturmsoldat

10-02-2009, 08:53 AM

I rather think that I asked the good question, otherwise, you wouldn't look so pissed.

vive la france! heuu sorry, le reich!! ;)

It's so pitiful that I can't find the words... I have nothing to answer to people like you. You think what you want, I don't care.
Have you thaught that I can have german family? Idiot.
This type of post you make has nothing to do here. Please stop your s**t, and let's enrich this thread.

Zeev

10-02-2009, 08:56 AM

Have you thaught that I can have german family? Idiot..

Indeed let us believe it, that will stick perfectly on the ambient hypocrisy which reigns in this thread. :)

Volkssturmsoldat

10-02-2009, 09:04 AM

Indeed let us believe it, that will stick perfectly on the ambient hypocrisy which reigns in this thread. :)

Say what you want, think what you want, I really don't care. I won't invite you at home to verify that I'm not a nazi, etc. Mister policeman.

StormzSTA

10-02-2009, 09:06 AM

Zeev

10-02-2009, 09:11 AM

I won't invite you at home to verify that I'm not a nazi, etc. Mister policeman.

:-( Damn, why so? I would have learnt you to make the Turkish coffee..

Volkssturmsoldat

10-02-2009, 09:13 AM

:-( Damn, why so? I would have learnt you to make the Turkish coffee..

I don't trink coffee.

Zeev

10-02-2009, 09:15 AM

I don't trink coffee.

Hey , I start to believe you, "trink" sounds german indeed!

Atlantic Friend

10-02-2009, 09:23 AM

Does anyone has any information about some Indian Waffen-SS men/bretonische Waffenverband der SS/britische SS? Maybe some photos? I precise that I've ever been on wikipedia. I just want to know if someone has some rares photos or informations. Thanks!

An odd fixation for all things SS?

About the sorry Breton scumbags who preferred the Third Reich over the Third Republic : look for information about "Bagadou Sturm" and "Bezenn Perrot".

The Indians IIRC served as static defense on the Atlantic Wall, notably in Charente-Maritime (La Rochelle and its area).

A rare photo - on this thread at least - would be one depicting the Waffen-SS for the criminal organization it was. :|

Volkssturmsoldat

10-02-2009, 09:31 AM

An odd fixation for all things SS?

Aren't we in a Waffen-SS Pics thread? I don't understand this sentence.
I found interesting to have some interest for "less well-known" branches of the Waffen-SS, like for example muslims Waffen-SS or the three I mentioned. But thanks for the informations. Regarding britische SS someone already informed me.

A rare photo - on this thread at least - would be one depicting the Waffen-SS for the criminal organization it was. :|

It would be, one more time, an interesting debate, but not in this thread, thanks.

Telmar

10-02-2009, 10:32 AM

Well, the mods seem to be ok with that...:|

I guess the mods are OK with pics that provide information about the troops such as weapons, uniforms, and eventually tactics...

However this thread is way beyond that.

If people submitting material for this thread throw in pics of concentration camp guards, happy SS troops burning down a village (maybe with people in the houses), a war criminal in his best clothing, I have difficulties believeing that all this is just about curiosity.

I would have more respect for the contributors if they tried themselves to filter pics.

This is a sad thread anyways.

Connaught Ranger

10-02-2009, 11:04 AM

Ok thanks. That's what I had understand. But in this book I think the author talks about around 200 "Hitler's englishmen"... Am I false?

Yes you are wrong.

The membership of the British Free Corps was investigated by M.I.5, their report dated 27th March 1945, lists 39 personnel, including members of the New Zealand Army, Civilians, Canadian Army, Merchant Navy, South African & Australian members, no where in the book do I see reference to 200 members.

Connaught Ranger.

Jarhead

10-02-2009, 11:14 AM

I guess the mods are OK with pics that provide information about the troops such as weapons, uniforms, and eventually tactics...

However this thread is way beyond that.

If people submitting material for this thread throw in pics of concentration camp guards, happy SS troops burning down a village (maybe with people in the houses), a war criminal in his best clothing, I have difficulties believeing that all this is just about curiosity.

I would have more respect for the contributors if they tried themselves to filter pics.

This is a sad thread anyways.

If you dont like that threat, dont peek in.
Aint that difficult.

Zeev

10-02-2009, 11:24 AM

I guess the mods are OK with pics that provide information about the troops such as weapons, uniforms, and eventually tactics...

However this thread is way beyond that.

If people submitting material for this thread throw in pics of concentration camp guards, happy SS troops burning down a village (maybe with people in the houses), a war criminal in his best clothing, I have difficulties believeing that all this is just about curiosity.

I would have more respect for the contributors if they tried themselves to filter pics.

This is a sad thread anyways.

Indeed, you are absolutely right.

This thread is a good pretext for a certain category of members to free their pro nazis feelings.

It has been a long time since this thread is not based anymore on sincere history knowledge... unfortunately.

Telmar

10-02-2009, 11:34 AM

If you dont like that threat, dont peek in.
Aint that difficult.

It's not difficult for me to avoid this thread, and I will.

But it's not difficult to filter out pics of what are evidently war crimes and war criminals either.

Exit.

Atlantic Friend

10-02-2009, 11:54 AM

Aren't we in a Waffen-SS Pics thread? I don't understand this sentence.

Just dark humor - fitting for the topic I think. I'm more inclined to demonize SS (which I see as unfair to demons), but the idea to "Pokemonize" them and collect them all made me chuckle.

I found interesting to have some interest for "less well-known" branches of the Waffen-SS, like for example muslims Waffen-SS or the three I mentioned. But thanks for the informations. Regarding britische SS someone already informed me.

The French Wiki pages about the Breton SS are quite informative actually, you can get the "pedigree" of their leaders.

There is a French book - "La Deuxième guerre mondiale dans les Charentes" IIRC - show Indian troops manning Atlantic Wall fortifications around La Pallice/La Rochelle naval base. I'm not sure they are SS, but maybe they're the guys you're looking for.

It would be, one more time, an interesting debate, but not in this thread, thanks.

I, one more time, personally don't think the SS left much room for this particular debate, on this thread or on any other.

Zeev

10-02-2009, 12:34 PM

A rare photo - on this thread at least - would be one depicting the Waffen-SS for the criminal organization it was. :|

You're welcome.

http://i831.photobucket.com/albums/zz235/Zeev85/Various/Einsatzgruppe.jpg?t=1254497530

http://i831.photobucket.com/albums/zz235/Zeev85/Various/Kiev_Jew_Killings_in_Ivangorod_1942.jpg?t=1254497554

http://i831.photobucket.com/albums/zz235/Zeev85/Various/-091.jpg?t=1254497571

Waffen SS were very cool, they had great camos, Stg44 and MP40, that made them so awesome and badass!

Telmar

10-02-2009, 12:49 PM

^^^
I said I was exiting the thread, but with such interesting and informative pics about the waffen ss, who can stay away?

More pics of crimes by the waffen ss. But in this case posted for the right reason.

Thank you Zeev.

luftw

10-02-2009, 04:29 PM

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/4651/ammg1.jpg

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7947/uw045.jpg

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/5678/uw043.jpg

beNder

10-02-2009, 11:52 PM

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images2/waffenss/Hygiene_Kit/MVC-030S_lg.jpg

Awesome taking care of business.

TallGuy

10-03-2009, 01:19 AM

The son of Iceland's first president:

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7040/bjrnsvbjrnsson.jpg
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7040/bjrnsvbjrnsson.jpg

maxmin todt

10-03-2009, 04:53 AM

Hi thanks for posting!

Can you tell us a little bit more abpout this person? Which company did Bjørnson do his service?

Herbert Otto Gille

10-03-2009, 07:19 AM

Hi thanks for posting!

Can you tell us a little bit more abpout this person? Which company did Bjørnson do his service?

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=25605

Volkssturmsoldat

10-03-2009, 09:50 AM

Yes you are wrong.

The membership of the British Free Corps was investigated by M.I.5, their report dated 27th March 1945, lists 39 personnel, including members of the New Zealand Army, Civilians, Canadian Army, Merchant Navy, South African & Australian members, no where in the book do I see reference to 200 members.

Connaught Ranger.

Thanks for those precisions. I found back what I had seen : "At the end of the War, nearly 200 British citizens were under investigation for assisting Nazi Germany". I readed that quickly, that's why I didn't understand the good thing. I think those 200 people were not part of the British FreeCorps, but maybe some of the 39 soldiers were part of those 200 people.
The unit was so small?

maxmin todt

10-03-2009, 09:54 AM

I think the total number of GB-volunteers was about 60 -65? Wikipedia says 59! And a total of 27 in this unit at the same time!

Connaught Ranger

10-03-2009, 10:12 AM

Thanks for those precisions. I found back what I had seen : "At the end of the War, nearly 200 British citizens were under investigation for assisting Nazi Germany". I readed that quickly, that's why I didn't understand the good thing. I think those 200 people were not part of the British FreeCorps, but maybe some of the 39 soldiers were part of those 200 people.
The unit was so small?

Point 1. Not all of the 39 were soldiers, some were Merchant Navy, Royal Navy and civilians interned when war was declared.

Point 2. The amount of volunteers was so small because nearly all 95% of the British / Commonwealth POW did not like / trust the Germans.

Point 3. The B.F.C. virtually had no weapons training, and was always too small* too be of any use in a combat situation, Hitler did not trust them and ordered them never to have access to weapons when he was nearby for fear of assassination.

The Germans needed 30 men all together as a unit (platoon) to be considered capable of performing combat duties, but, due to absence, sickness, poor training, and general mucking about, the unit never had 30 members at any one time to perform as a platoon.

Connaught Ranger.

Connaught Ranger

10-03-2009, 10:14 AM

I think the total number of GB-volunteers was about 60 -65? Wikipedia says 59! And a total of 27 in this unit at the same time!

The book quotes the official figures as defined by MI5, it was their job to investigate the unit and the people who joined it. Certainly there were more who volunteered but then again changed their minds because of the fear of being tried for treason if Germany were to lose the war.

And as I pointed out the volunteers came from throughout the commonwealth very few being from Great Britain.

Volkssturmsoldat

10-03-2009, 04:33 PM

Point 1. Not all of the 39 were soldiers, some were Merchant Navy, Royal Navy and civilians interned when war was declared.

Point 2. The amount of volunteers was so small because nearly all 95% of the British / Commonwealth POW did not like / trust the Germans.

Point 3. The B.F.C. virtually had no weapons training, and was always too small* too be of any use in a combat situation, Hitler did not trust them and ordered them never to have access to weapons when he was nearby for fear of assassination.

The Germans needed 30 men all together as a unit (platoon) to be considered capable of performing combat duties, but, due to absence, sickness, poor training, and general mucking about, the unit never had 30 members at any one time to perform as a platoon.

Connaught Ranger.

Thanks, once more.

The French Wiki pages about the Breton SS are quite informative actually, you can get the "pedigree" of their leaders.

There is a French book - "La Deuxième guerre mondiale dans les Charentes" IIRC - show Indian troops manning Atlantic Wall fortifications around La Pallice/La Rochelle naval base. I'm not sure they are SS, but maybe they're the guys you're looking for.

I've ever been on wikipedia, but anyway, thanks for those precisions.

You're welcome.

Waffen SS were very cool, they had great camos, Stg44 and MP40, that made them so awesome and badass!

I'm sorry, but the photos you just posted are photos of the "Einsatzgruppen", in the East front. Their members were mostly part of the Wehrmacht, and the rest of the SS (not Waffen) or Police, etc...

But a point I agree with you, is the fact that this thread has not to show only "normals pics", but also "bad pics" (I mean war crimes etc). Nothing has to be hidden.

The son of Iceland's first president:

Thanks for this very interesting information, a thing I didn't know

Regarding some members of this thread, I would to say that :
YES the Waffen-SS is EVIL, has done atrocities (like all others armies, all countries, all generations...), but this thread has for goal to show Waffen-SS troops. Not if they were bad, good, or anything. You can debate maybe on other forums about this type of forum and thread, about nazism today, etc.
But don't forget one important thing for me : they were before all MENS. Like you. Like me. Neither more nor less.
THIS is history, with a grand H, even if this part of history is dark, not easy to accept. Let people who want to have an interest for this side of history in peace. If you want to fight agains neonazism, nowadays nazi organisations, etc, just do it. It would be more efficient than polluting this thread with suspecting everyone to be a nazi nostalgic or other things. Yes, I think there is some people who hold interest for this thread because they are nazism-nostalgics or extrem right-winged. But the world isn't perfect. If you can't understand hat there is also people who hold an interest just to the military unit, without politic, then go out of this thread, this is the best way.
I hope some people will understand what I mean with this post.
PS : sorry for my unperfect english, but I think it's easyly understandable.

Zeev

10-03-2009, 07:33 PM

I'm sorry, but the photos you just posted are photos of the "Einsatzgruppen", in the East front. Their members were mostly part of the Wehrmacht, and the rest of the SS (not Waffen) or Police, etc..

Hmm?

Einsatzgruppen (German (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/German_language): Special-operation units) were SS (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/SS) paramilitary (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Paramilitary) groups that took part in the systematic killing of mostly civilians throughout occupied Eastern Europe (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Eastern_Europe) during World War II (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/World_War_II).

Einsatzgruppen (German (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/German_language): "task forces", "special-ops units") were paramilitary (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Paramilitary) groups formed under the direction of SS-Obergruppenführer (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Obergruppenf%C3%BChrer) Reinhard Heydrich (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Reinhard_Heydrich) (deputy to Heinrich Himmler (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Heinrich_Himmler)) and operated by the Schutzstaffel (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Schutzstaffel) (SS) before and during World War II (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/World_War_II).[1] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-HHP-0) From 1939 forward the SS Reich Main Security Office (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/RSHA)[2] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-1) had overall command of the Einsatzgruppen. Their principal task during the war (according to SS General Erich von dem Bach (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Erich_von_dem_Bach) at the Nuremberg Trials (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Nuremberg_Trials)) "... was the annihilation of the Jews (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Jew), Gypsies (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Romani_people), and Soviet (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Soviet_Union) political commissars (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Political_commissar)".[3] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-2) The Einsatzgruppen had a leading role in the implementation of the final solution (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Final_Solution) of the Jewish question (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Jewish_question) (German: Die Endlösung der Judenfrage) in the conquered territories.

ASC-Bob

10-03-2009, 11:28 PM

http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/837/sshj_188.jpg

Well I've finally made it though this thread. Very interesting pictures, and even the flames and other comments were if nothing else colourful. To be sure the Waffen SS had its share of truly evil men and its reputation as an Armed Force will never recover because of them.

I really don't believe there was any intentional agrandment of the Waffen SS. This is a historical topic and this is picture thread and yes the Waffen SS and other parts of the SS are sure to stir emotion. I've been in many discussion threads over the years on this very topic and much worse has been posted than ever was here.

I think IMHO the thing to bear in mind when looking at history is that it just what it is history. Those in the know, understand it is ignored at peril. The Waffen SS no matter your thoughts on them will always be an interesting study, just as the Roman Legions are or Shaka Zulu's Impi are.

Bob outp-)

http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/810/3rdReich_pz6_Tigers_LAH_Ostfront.jpg

TR1

10-03-2009, 11:40 PM

Waffen SS were very cool, they had great camos, Stg44 and MP40, that made them so awesome and badass!Sums up the SS fanboy outlook.

G-AWZT

10-04-2009, 03:09 AM

Bjorn is wearing an M36 tunic with a rank of Sgt. Yet his collar tabs have silver cord piping? I thought only officers could wear such piping on their tabs.

TallGuy

10-04-2009, 06:47 AM

According to various sources, NCO tabs were often upgraded with officer piping.

SATNIK

10-04-2009, 07:37 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDAbw44f2C0&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzs2TLRSfPc

HOLLiS

10-04-2009, 02:40 PM

This is not a political discussion thread. So until some people cool down, it is closed.

Pending on a discussion from the other mods, a member or two just might be banned from this forum.

HOLLiS

10-05-2009, 02:50 PM

Additional note on the SS, Watch your comments. This thread is not to marginalize or to mitigate the barbarism carried out by the SS, nor to focus on those issues of barbarism.

A quote on the head of SS;
Heinrich Himmler was born in 1900 and died in 1945. Heinrich Himmler was to become one of the most feared men in Nazi Germany and Europe once World War Two broke out. As head of the SS, he had ultimate responsibility of internal security in Nazi Germany (as was seen in theNight of the Long Knives) and was associated with helping to organise the Final Solution though Reinhard Heydrich had a major input into the organisation of the Holocaust.

So keep this in mind when posting. Idealizing the SS will not be tolerated.

Keep it to photos and comments to the photo only. If you feel the need to question the post, either report the post to a MOD, or take it to PM.

HOLLiS

10-12-2009, 11:45 PM

Keep the warnings in mind or this could be like many achieved threads, Locked.

Bachelor

10-13-2009, 04:29 AM

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/1312/september091675.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9077/september091676.jpg

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/1715/september091677.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7403/september091678.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2007/september091680.jpg

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/7752/september091682.jpg

Bachelor

10-13-2009, 04:31 AM

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/8281/september091700.jpg

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/8128/september091701.jpg

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/9818/september091702.jpg

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4735/september091703.jpg

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9953/september091704.jpg

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/9755/september091705.jpg

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/7496/september091707.jpg

Bachelor

10-13-2009, 04:33 AM

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/2194/september091708.jpg

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/7217/september091709.jpg

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/5839/september091710.jpg

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5440/september091711.jpg

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5484/september091712.jpg

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/1492/september091713.jpg

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2272/september091714.jpg

Bachelor

10-13-2009, 04:34 AM

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/6213/september091719.jpg

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4116/september091720.jpg

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/2687/september091721.jpg

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/8168/september091722.jpg

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/3930/september091723.jpg

Bachelor

10-13-2009, 04:37 AM

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/9563/september091724.jpg

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2122/september091725.jpg

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/7551/september091726.jpg

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/8130/september091727.jpg

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5189/september091728.jpg

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/8880/september091729.jpg

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5676/september091730.jpg

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/7650/september091731.jpg

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/900/september091732.jpg

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/1866/september091733.jpg

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/2161/september091734.jpg

Volkssturmsoldat

10-13-2009, 05:30 AM

Johnny_H

10-13-2009, 11:46 AM

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2007/september091680.jpg

Dreadnought? looks like a Ram with armoured skirts.

Pandemonium

10-13-2009, 01:09 PM

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2007/september091680.jpg

Dreadnought? looks like a Ram with armoured skirts.

To me it looks more like an T1E1 prototype tank, but it is almost impossible that the Germans knew about that tank

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5826/800pxm6heavytanktm92800.jpg
Correction: M6 tank

Bachelor

10-14-2009, 01:58 PM

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2820/405px1.jpg

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/3224/bundes23.jpg

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/899/bundes122.jpg

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9539/bundes445.jpg

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4766/bundesarchivbild101iiik.jpg

Bachelor

10-14-2009, 02:01 PM

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/7660/399pxbundesarchivbild10.jpg

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/8202/bundesarchivbild101i721.jpg

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/5708/bundesarchivbild101i721d.jpg

Herbert Otto Gille

10-14-2009, 05:32 PM

Welcome back, Bachelor! Your pics are the best of this thread...Have you got a time machine ? ;-)

Herbert Otto Gille

10-14-2009, 05:57 PM

Wiking...various pics...SS - Standartenfuhrer Johannes Muhlenkamp and SS - Oberfuhrer were the last commanders of the 5 SS Panzer Division Wiking
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standartenf%C3%BChrer)

TallGuy

10-15-2009, 10:51 PM

Thanks Bachelor for re-starting this thread with very interesting photos.

Does anyone know something about icelandic volunteers in the Waffen-SS? I've seen many different things, we talk about 2,3, or more than 8 icelandic volunteers... Thanks!
There are 3 confirmed members, Björn Sv. Björnsson, Sölvi Friðriksson and Geir Þorsteinsson. There were probably a few more volunteers but that's not confirmed. The one who was killed in the battle of Narva, Odd Thordarson was most likely born in Norway and was half Norwegian, because I couldn't find anyone by his name and birthday in the Icelander database.

Here's Sölvi Friðrikson, aka Sölvi Kafari(Sölvi the Diver):

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/8308/slvikafari.jpg

Geir Þorsteinsson:

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/2605/g9kc14uk.jpg

cbiwv

10-16-2009, 09:43 PM

Max Wunsche was one of Hilter's favorites and he went on to live a long life after the war.

Bolshoy

10-17-2009, 08:16 AM

Azerbaijan legion of Waffen-SS. They was situated in Poland.

Rare pictures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azeri_Waffen_SS_Volunteer_Formations

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=94674

http://i33.tinypic.com/j17bed.jpg

http://i37.tinypic.com/24y7qrs.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/2rxh3e0.jpg

Herbert Otto Gille

10-17-2009, 10:12 AM

4, 5, 6 from Operation Spring Awakening (Unternehmen Frühlingserwachen)

cbiwv

10-17-2009, 10:16 AM

Here is another rare pic of Wunsche.

Bachelor

10-17-2009, 03:45 PM

Here is another rare pic of Wunsche.

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/6458/bu3ab41.jpg

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3490/bundesarchivbild101iiil.jpg

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/7364/bundes3111.jpg

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/6400/bu23a51e.jpg

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2594/bundesarchivbild1461988.jpg

cbiwv

10-17-2009, 04:02 PM

There are alot of pics out there of Wunsche. I meant pics of him not in uniform.

Herbert Otto Gille

10-17-2009, 04:45 PM

There are alot of pics out there of Wunsche. I meant pics of him not in uniform.

...I have only a pic with Wunsche not in uniform...

Herbert Otto Gille

10-17-2009, 04:51 PM

Max Wunsche - 2

Herbert Otto Gille

10-17-2009, 04:56 PM

Wunsche - 3

cbiwv

10-17-2009, 10:03 PM

Wunsche - 3

He actually is one of the most photographed of the SS. He was a good soldier.

Volkssturmsoldat

10-18-2009, 01:54 PM

IMTT

10-18-2009, 02:41 PM

What fantastic historical photos and extremely interesting information.

I recently attended a gathering and party. A mother or a friend of mine was in attendance. His mother grew up in a small village in Prussia and was at one time a member of the Hitler youth. She is now 79 years of age. At this party another women in her forties who is Polish began to talk with her. They had no idea of each others background. The converation turned to each other respective background and roots. The Polish women spoke of her home in Poland and her village. That village was the same village where my friends mother was from. In fact the younger women grew up down the road within 1 kilometer of the older womens cottage. Both also attended the same church. The one exception was that the older women fled with her family and many family members were killed as the Russians went through the village to include women and childern. It was striking and sobering to lisen as they spoke and the feelings of the older women who run out of her home land and the young womens lack of sympathy for the older women. That portion of land is now Poland and Prussia is dead and gone as well as anyone who stayed and was Prussian. Needless to say the conversation broke down and the two parted after heated debate and not on friendly terms. Perhaps with merit, perhps not. My uncles (3) served in the Pacific campaign as US Marines. They described their exploits, treatment of prisoners and conduct to me as a young boy. Perhaps we are all guilty of horrible misdeeds and evil...

Great photos, this is a very stimulating and thought provoking thread!

Bolshoy

10-18-2009, 05:19 PM

Azeri Waffen SS Volunteer Formations (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Azeri_Waffen_SS_Volunteer_Formations)

Has someone some pics of those rares units of the Waffen-SS? I find it very interesting. Thanks

I posted some pics of Azeri Waffen-SS, just above this page.

Herbert Otto Gille

10-18-2009, 05:55 PM

He actually is one of the most photographed of the SS. He was a good soldier.

Wunsche - 4.

In many pics I found Wunsche with Peiper and Sepp Dietrich.

Volkssturmsoldat

10-19-2009, 06:18 AM

I posted some pics of Azeri Waffen-SS, just above this page.

Yes, I've seen it, thanks for that! But I'm not sure to recognize the Waffen-SS uniform on these photos...

Connaught Ranger

10-19-2009, 09:50 AM

Il-28

10-19-2009, 01:16 PM

how come when i click on any of the above links i get a mp.net page open up telling me:
????????
connaught ranger.

you tried to access a file that's not here anymore.

1234567890

Connaught Ranger

10-19-2009, 01:51 PM

1234567890

I was not sure if they had been removed, looking at other posted comments it seemed like others could access them.

Originally Posted by Bolshoy http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4491506#post4491506)
I posted some pics of Azeri Waffen-SS, just above this page.
Volkssturmsoldat

Yes, I've seen it, thanks for that!

Connaught Ranger.

Herbert Otto Gille

10-19-2009, 04:49 PM

Hans Dorr (April 7, 1912 - April 17, 1945) was a German Waffen-SS Obersturmbannführer who served with the 5. SS-Panzer-Division Wiking and was a commander of the SS-Regiment Germania. He was wounded 16 times during WWII and died at a Field hospital near Judenburg only a month before the war's end. He was also awarded with the prestigious Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes mit Eichenlaub und Schwertern.

(From: Wikipedia)

Volkssturmsoldat

10-19-2009, 05:52 PM

How come when I click on any of the above links I get a MP.net page open up telling me:

????????

Connaught Ranger.

Don't worry, I just did a "copy-paste" from wikipedia, thats why there is empty links. But my request is still alive.

Herbert Otto Gille

10-23-2009, 04:06 PM

Three new pics of Gille from axisforum.com.

Bachelor

10-23-2009, 07:13 PM

I think two SS-men behind Hitler of Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler or SS-Reichssicherheitshauptamt...

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/9483/user10738pic15039124004.jpg

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5134/dsc04486a.jpg

Bachelor

10-25-2009, 11:39 AM

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/9335/60445076.jpg

Akinnen

10-25-2009, 12:35 PM

American Free Corps (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/American_Free_Corps)
Azeri Waffen SS Volunteer Formations (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Azeri_Waffen_SS_Volunteer_Formations)
British Free Corps (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/British_Free_Corps)
Blue Division (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Blue_Division)
Estonian Legion (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Estonian_Legion)
Finnish Volunteer Battalion of the Waffen-SS (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Finnish_Volunteer_Battalion_of_the_Waffen-SS)
Frikorps Danmark (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Frikorps_Danmark)
Indische Legion (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Indische_Legion)
Kaminski Brigade (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Kaminski_Brigade)
Latvian Legion (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Latvian_Legion)
SS-Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/SS-Sturmbrigade_Dirlewanger)
Tatar Legion (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Tatar_Legion)

Has someone some pics of those rares units of the Waffen-SS? I find it very interesting. Thanks

You can see some of them here, i'm posting various not only SS photos

http://englishrussia.com/images/southern_hitler/1.jpg

Indians
http://media.englishrussia.com/southern_hitler/4.jpg
http://www.feldgrau.com/india5.JPG
http://media.englishrussia.com/southern_hitler/5.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-263-1580-05%2C_Atlantikwall%2C_Soldaten_der_Legion_%22Freies_Indien%22.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-264-1604-05A%2C_Bordeaux%2C_Hockeyspiel_Wehrmachtsangeh%C3%B6riger.jpg

Georgian
http://cs346.vkontakte.ru/u6451209/58972068/x_5673ae12.jpg
http://cs346.vkontakte.ru/u6451209/58972068/x_382b8561.jpg
http://cs346.vkontakte.ru/u6451209/58972068/x_738d3849.jpg
http://cs346.vkontakte.ru/u6451209/58972068/x_07ec4180.jpg
http://cs346.vkontakte.ru/u6451209/58972068/x_4f1d04a3.jpg
http://cs346.vkontakte.ru/u6451209/58972068/x_d8a15464.jpg
http://cs346.vkontakte.ru/u6451209/58972068/x_f45efaa0.jpg
http://cs346.vkontakte.ru/u6451209/58972068/x_d27a7c63.jpg
http://cs346.vkontakte.ru/u6451209/58972068/x_30dde4b9.jpg
http://cs346.vkontakte.ru/u6451209/58972068/x_a9a356ab.jpg
http://cs346.vkontakte.ru/u6451209/58972068/x_07f42ab6.jpg
http://cs346.vkontakte.ru/u6451209/58972068/x_144fe610.jpg
http://media.englishrussia.com/southern_hitler/6.jpg

Azeri
http://media.englishrussia.com/southern_hitler/7.jpg

Checens
http://media.englishrussia.com/southern_hitler/8.jpg
http://media.englishrussia.com/southern_hitler/9.jpg

Japan
http://media.englishrussia.com/southern_hitler/11.jpg

Korean
http://media.englishrussia.com/southern_hitler/10.jpg

Turkmenistan
http://media.englishrussia.com/southern_hitler/12.jpg

Arab
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-177-1465-04%2C_Griechenland%2C_Soldat_der_Legion_%22Freies_Arabien%22.jpg

British
http://www.guywalters.com/book%20%28person%203%29.jpg
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43233&d=1202655098

Clear map
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee84/r_howard/insignia/EuropeanSSInsigniaMap1.jpg?t=1245660305

Sumadinac

10-25-2009, 12:47 PM

http://cs346.vkontakte.ru/u6451209/58972068/x_144fe610.jpg
http://media.englishrussia.com/southern_hitler/6.jpg

Azeri
http://media.englishrussia.com/southern_hitler/7.jpg

Checens
http://media.englishrussia.com/southern_hitler/8.jpg
http://media.englishrussia.com/southern_hitler/9.jpg

http://media.englishrussia.com/southern_hitler/10.jpg

Turkmenistan
http://media.englishrussia.com/southern_hitler/12.jpg

Arab
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-177-1465-04%2C_Griechenland%2C_Soldat_der_Legion_%22Freies_Arabien%22.jpg

It is very funny to see that all these "exotic" and colour skinned people belonged to waffen SS while at the same time, white and blue eyed ashkenazi jews were not aryan enough for the german reich.. It really proves how much these racial laws and jewish obsession from nazis was pure hypocrisy and total BS.

Indeed, racial laws would be as stupid if european jews where dark skinned people, but such photos show even more the absolute paradox of the nazi ideology.

Bachelor

10-25-2009, 01:34 PM

Why some people posting photos not concerning this thread? We saw all these photos millions times! It's dust from all Internet! It's interesting to nobody.
Please, don't posting or re-re-re-re-posting many tames photos of Papuans-volunteers not of Waffen SS...., or re-re-re-re-re-posting many tames "used's" photos of Waffen SS of this thread or..... I understand if photos qualitative, rare and interesting that we can look them many times...

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_28.gif

Sumadinac

10-25-2009, 02:12 PM

Yes, it's called Multiculturalism in the Waffen SS and the WW2 Wehrmacht. It' funny how you pull this to offtopic and in the same time try to flame bait with your post here... And...you don't have a clue, "Sumadinac"...

Calm down, I am very sorry if it was seen as an off topic. I am just very surprised to see that so much people from asia and middle east were in waffen SS units. I was ignoring this fact, so my surprise.

I really thought that nazis were most "selective" about SS units, nederlands, scandinavian, or baltic units had more or less "sense" to me, because all these units came from northern europe, so they could be considered as "aryan", and about slavic units, it was already borderline (if you refer to nazi racial theories) but it was understandable because after all, slavs are europeans.

Tell me just why you think I wanted to flame? I just thought that SS were german reich "elite" soldiers, so my surprise is natural, caucasians, asians or middle eastern people are far from the "aryan" morphological standards. And yes I found that very Ironical that such non european ppl were used in SS which were supposed to be "superior warriors". On the pragmatic aspect, I perfectly know why they enlisted these people, the reich just needed more and more men ready to fight, but in that case, why they didn't enlisted them in whermacht?

Just tell me one thing, we still have the right to be surprised or is it forbidden here? People are getting way too nervous these days.

Again sorry for the "offtopic" (even if I think that talking about the fact that some nations belonged to waffen SS seemed to be a contradiction is not offtopic here)

Akinnen

10-25-2009, 02:19 PM

@Sumadinac

No. No.I apologize to you for my fierce reaction. After your last message, things are much clearer.

Bolshoy

10-25-2009, 02:24 PM

Some more photos of Azeris...

http://www.savash-az.com/phpbb/index.php

http://i34.tinypic.com/21dhetv.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/348gl5j.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/2cd8o6e.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/5y91yv.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/29231ig.jpg

Bachelor

10-25-2009, 02:58 PM

Oh! No!.... More.... http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8064/badboys25ze6.gif
Some more photos of Azeris...
http://www.savash-az.com/phpbb/index.php

http://i.smiles2k.net/admin_moder_smiles/offtopic.gif

In "Waffen SS troops" thread.... It's real look like some +philia.

Herbert Otto Gille

10-25-2009, 05:36 PM

I hope there aren' t reposts.

Herbert Otto Gille

10-25-2009, 05:46 PM

Franz Hack was a Obersturmbannführer in the Waffen SS during World War II who was awarded the Knight's Cross with Oakleaves and the Close Combat Clasp in Gold. Hack was born in Mannheim, Germany on 3 February 1915, on joining the SS he was issued the service number 227 129, his first command was the 1st Company, Germania Regiment in 1938. He ended the war as the commander of the 10th SS Panzer Grenadier Regiment Westland, 5th SS Panzer Grenadier Division Wiking. Hack died in Hamburg, Germany in June 1997.

(From: Wikipedia)

You can find other pics of Franz Hack in my previous reply (Hans Dorr, H.O.Gille).

Bachelor

10-25-2009, 07:27 PM

Family photo. One of sons of Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler...

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9756/z1476.jpg

Red-Phos

10-25-2009, 07:34 PM

Family photo. One of sons of Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler...

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9756/z1476.jpg
Luftwaffe,Gestapo,Wehrmacht,Waffen-SS.......

Volkssturmsoldat

10-25-2009, 08:42 PM

You can see some of them here, i'm posting various not only SS photos

Thanks for thoses very rare and very interesting photos. It would have been better if you had selected only the Waffen-SS photos. But thanks.

Bachelor

10-26-2009, 09:21 AM

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9461/scan0001wp.jpg

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2444/scan0002sg.jpg

Herbert Otto Gille

10-26-2009, 06:01 PM

SS - Various pics...

Volkssturmsoldat

10-27-2009, 10:22 AM

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4277/96971901ea2.jpg

http://stephane.delogu.free.fr/12-5.jpg

http://mccoy.nu/zone/Otto20Funck.jpg

SS-Otto Funck from the 12th Panzerdivision SS "Hitlerjugend" photographied after an assault.
He was from 15. Kompanie of 1st Battalion, SS-Panzergrenadier-Regiment 25 at La Villeneuve du Rots, who were to follow up the attack on Norrey-en-Bessin by the Panthers of 3.Kompanie. He destroyed a Churchill Tank with only his MG-42, firing the can of gasoline on the turret.

Third photo is nowadays.

Wotan

10-28-2009, 04:46 AM

Happy to see he survived!

;)

PrinzEugen

10-28-2009, 07:52 AM

SS-Otto Funck from the 12th Panzerdivision SS "Hitlerjugend" photographied after an assault.
He was from 15. Kompanie of 1st Battalion, SS-Panzergrenadier-Regiment 25 at La Villeneuve du Rots, who were to follow up the attack on Norrey-en-Bessin by the Panthers of 3.Kompanie. He destroyed a Churchill Tank with only his MG-42, firing the can of gasoline on the turret.

Third photo is nowadays.

Interesting, that's a very famous photo that I never heard the story about. Thanks.

Volkssturmsoldat

10-28-2009, 08:37 AM

Interesting, that's a very famous photo that I never heard the story about. Thanks.

You're welcome :). Very interesting indeed!
They opened fire 50 meters from the tank, with tracant bullets (is tracant bullets understandable?). They received the Iron Cross II klasse for destroying this tank.
I have to add that the photo was taken on June 9th, and Otto Funck was wounded on June 26th 1944, but he continued to fight until May 8th 1945.

Bachelor

10-28-2009, 10:18 AM

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9761/avanderbracht.jpg

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/4918/aayjcp1.jpg

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6150/remip.jpg

Eztyga

10-29-2009, 05:54 AM

I hope there aren' t reposts.

Yesh, for the master race they sure hooked up with some booze hags...:)

Bachelor

10-31-2009, 07:49 AM

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/7104/wear11.jpg

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/268/3444545.jpg

Herbert Otto Gille

10-31-2009, 12:16 PM

Hauptsturmführer Karl Nicolussi-Leck (1917-2008). After his enlistment in Waffen SS on 1940, he was assigned to regiment of infantry “Deutschland” with which took part on Balkan campaign (Operation Marita). In 1941 he was transferred to the SS Der Führer Regiment, SS Division Das Reich for Operation Barbarossa and was seriously wounded in the advance towards Moscow. After a period of training on Bad Tölz SS-Junkerschule, he was promoted to Untersturmführer and sent again in the eastern front, now as leader of a platoon in the 2nd Company, 5th SS Panzer Battalion, 5th SS Panzer Division. He spent the second half of 1942 fighting in the battle of Rostov and the battles of Kuban river, earning a skillful combat reputation. In March - April 1944 Obersturmführer Nicolussi-Leck taken part in the battle of Kowel, a Kessel in which were trapped the strengths of the SS-Oberführer Herbert Otto Gille. In the attempt to relieve the enemy pressure, Nicolussi-Leck launched an attack with five Panthers. Soon after beginning the attack, he received a radio message from the besieged commander to halt his attack and withdraw. He ordered his radio operator to ignore the call, and continued his attack. Risking court-martial, he then proceeded to fight his way though the Soviet encirclement, destroying several Soviet tanks in the process. His Panther was the first vehicle to break the encirclement. The following day started the evacuation of the kessel - that it lasted two days - through a neck of bottle defended by such strengths, that allowed to save, behind the German lines, all the armoured vehicles and 2.000 wounded. Unlike the previous encirclement at Korsun, the trapped force managed to escape with most of its equipment intact, and the division was ready for action immediately. For this action he received the Knight’ s Cross of the Iron Cross directly by the same Adolf Hitler. During the second half of 1944 Nicolussi-Leck (now promoted Hauptsturmführer) took part to battles in Poland and Hungary. He spent the last months of war fighting in the Ruhr and finally near Hannover, where he surrended with his unit to Americans. After the war he fled in Argentina, then come back in Südtirol in late ‘50. Karl Nicolussi-Leck has been one of the founders of the South Tyrolean Center for Education, the Museum of Modern and Contemporary Art in Bozen and the University Claudiana. He was also awarded with German Cross in Gold, Panzer Badge in Silver, Wound Badge in Silver and for two times with the Tank Destruction Badge.

Sorry for my bad English.

Photo 6 – Bozen, nowadays.

Bachelor

11-03-2009, 08:11 AM

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6391/61325197.jpg

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/6020/82910153.jpg

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/7052/344o.jpg

Bachelor

11-03-2009, 08:12 AM

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/2853/october091483.jpg

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/180/october091484.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/3850/october091485.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7016/october091490.jpg

Bachelor

11-06-2009, 06:08 PM

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2677/92814218.jpg

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/1939/31919010.jpg

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/542/89265411.jpg

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/9494/dlias11.jpg

Herbert Otto Gille

11-08-2009, 07:12 AM

Waffen SS propaganda and enlistment posters.

Bachelor

11-13-2009, 12:10 PM

Adolf Hitler, Josef "Sepp" Dietrich & Co in car...

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/333/91329870.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bc/Sepp.jpg

Bachelor

11-13-2009, 12:10 PM

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1552/96704506.jpg

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1447/56945742.jpg

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4367/24047656.jpg

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7631/79230513.jpg

Bachelor

11-14-2009, 08:28 AM

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/668/3b182063c753.jpg

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/6378/070d6fb21899.jpg

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/8085/fb5f13fbe1fa.jpg

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8705/5aca142468d1.jpg

Bachelor

11-14-2009, 08:29 AM

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/9448/33ef.jpg

Bachelor

11-14-2009, 08:39 AM

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/9623/ssman.jpg

Consigliere

11-14-2009, 06:53 PM

Perhaps I'm missing something, but one side of this spool seems to indicate that it is a 500 meter long roll of rayon fiber. I can't make out the back. Can you add more info?

C,

eindhoven

11-14-2009, 11:24 PM

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6928/2021l.jpg

Is the individual on the far right Max Wünsche? It sure looks like him from the profile. Any info on this image? time frame? Location? M44 trousers being worn so perhaps Normandy.

Also this is the first time I've seen an overcoat completely made from Zeltbahn material. Very nicely done by a unit tailor no doubt. Wish it was in my collection.

Thanks.

eindhoven

11-15-2009, 12:14 AM

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5049/cimg26307dk.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/9687/cimg26363yf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/1715/cimg26382yg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Here´s the pics of my dagger, so no carved Himmlers signature, too bad.
Again, anyone know to who these daggers were issued and how my grandmom might have got it?

I apologize for the long delay in responding.

Your example is very nice, highly sought after and complete with portepee and chain. These are called 'chained daggers'. One without the Portepee, the silver cord, sold for $15,500 US recently. I believe yours would easily clear $20-$30 thousand. These daggers were no longer produced after 1942. The began to be issued upon Himmlers orders in 1936 to existing officers who had joined from 1933 up and to new officers. Members who participated in the 'Night of the Long Knives' were awarded the Himmler presentation dagger, the other highly prized SS dagger, bearing his signature acid etched into the blade.

How your grandmother got it is a very long guess unless she gives you complete details. These were not carried into battle. Many that survived the war survived at home in the cities away from the front. Any attempt to deduce how she got her hands on one is just guessing. Perhaps you may have someone in your family who actually was in the SS who was awarded this dagger. Or it was traded to someone in your family after the war or captured by someone in your family. It may have been given to your grandmother for treatment of wounded soldiers.

If you don't sell it, insure the value of it and then keep quiet about it. Letting people around you know you have a gold mine is just inviting trouble.

Echt Toll!

eindhoven

11-15-2009, 12:54 AM

Some of the photos in my archive.

SS-Fallschirmjäger

Ernst Staudle

Anton Meiser, commander of 22nd Waffen-SS Kavallerie 'Maria Theresia'

Officer of the 22nd Waffen-SS Kavallerie 'Maria Theresia' Hungary, 1945

Enlisted men from 22nd Waffen-SS Kavallerie 'Maria Theresia'

Enlisted man from 3rd Waffen-SS Division 'Totenkopf'

Original collar tabs from 22nd Waffen-SS Kavallerie 'Maria Theresia'. Much harder to find the officer version. Still looking since 1996.

eindhoven

11-15-2009, 05:26 AM

Max Wünsche on Hitlers staff

Wünsche in Normandy decorating soldiers.

Christian Tychsen. This is before his facial wound that caused his disfigurement to his lower lip and chin.

Screen grab of Werner Wolff at Kursk. Wolff was recommended by J. Peiper for the Knights Cross for his actions at Kursk which was approved.

Captured SS officer in Normandy

Eztyga

11-15-2009, 05:52 AM

Also this is the first time I've seen an overcoat completely made from Zeltbahn material. Very nicely done by a unit tailor no doubt. Wish it was in my collection.

Yes, very unusual. Must have used up a few Zelts for that coat!

Connaught Ranger

11-15-2009, 06:28 AM

Perhaps I'm missing something, but one side of this spool seems to indicate that it is a 500 meter long roll of rayon fiber. I can't make out the back. Can you add more info?

C,

Thread such as this was used in ss Concentration Camp Factories in the production of military uniforms for the Reich, certain factories also came under the ss.

Bachelor

11-15-2009, 12:18 PM

Rare photos from Munich. Martyrdom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/9850/img334e.jpg

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/3351/img335o.jpg

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/6213/img336h.jpg

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2465/img327.jpg

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/4214/img330j.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-S22310%2C_M%C3%BCnchen%2C_K%C3%B6nigsplatz%2C_Ehrentempel.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Bodenplatte.JPG

Consigliere

11-15-2009, 03:58 PM

Thread such as this was used in ss Concentration Camp Factories in the production of military uniforms for the Reich, certain factories also came under the ss.

Bravo Zulu Connaught Ranger; most appreciated.

C.

epc

11-15-2009, 06:25 PM

What is this thing??

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6391/61325197.jpg

Bachelor

11-16-2009, 11:46 AM

Papers of one of Baltic volunteers in SS...
Before Waffen SS we can see his photo in a military uniform of Army of Latvia....

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/374/19ss1d.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/3623/19ss10.jpg

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4628/19ss22.jpg

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6594/19ss44.jpg

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/3803/19ss55.jpg

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/8606/19ss111.jpg

Bachelor

11-16-2009, 11:49 AM

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/4558/3344545.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3232/2334343434.jpg

Bachelor

11-16-2009, 11:49 AM

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/4917/vanhulse111.jpg

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/8533/vanhulse121.jpg

Bachelor

11-16-2009, 11:51 AM

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/6686/a320324t.jpg

nsp

11-16-2009, 04:35 PM

Is this photo real?
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7516/sluhayut.jpg
Translation
"On first courses of Ukrainian liberation army propagandists"
"Сarefully listening lecture about Ukrainian history"

Bachelor

11-16-2009, 07:18 PM

Is this photo real?

Translation
"On first courses of Ukrainian liberation army propagandists"
"Сarefully listening lecture about Ukrainian history"
http://i.smiles2k.net/admin_moder_smiles/offtopic.gif
What "real"?
I don't see some of Waffen SS "on real"...

Bachelor

11-17-2009, 12:29 PM

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1014/56676.jpg

Bachelor

11-18-2009, 03:30 PM

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1758/95843019122463lo.jpg

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4721/95796017122525lo.jpg

therifleman

11-18-2009, 08:53 PM

Earlier in the thread a request for some Indian photos. Was there even an existant Indian SS unit? These guys don't look like SS to me but rather Wehrmacht volunteers?

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk190/Winimperial/indianss2.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk190/Winimperial/indianss-1.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk190/Winimperial/indianss.jpg

LRPV

11-19-2009, 12:20 AM

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1552/96704506.jpg

Collar tabs are werhmacht?

Bachelor

11-19-2009, 05:07 AM

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8064/badboys25ze6.gif

Earlier in the thread a request for some Indian photos. Was there even an existant Indian SS unit? These guys don't look like SS to me but rather Wehrmacht volunteers?

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk190/Winimperial/indianss2.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk190/Winimperial/indianss-1.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk190/Winimperial/indianss.jpg

The answer...

Why some people posting photos not concerning this thread? We saw all these photos millions times! It's dust from all Internet! It's interesting to nobody.
Please, don't posting or re-re-re-re-posting many tames photos of Papuans-volunteers not of Waffen SS....

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_28.gif