German politician urges Turkish community to condemn hit anti-American film

[BoyElroy]

Agence France Presse -- English

February 21, 2006 Tuesday 4:13 PM GMT

HEADLINE: German politician urges Turkish community to condemn hit Iraq film

DATELINE: BERLIN, Feb 21 2006

A German politician on Tuesday said the country's Turkish community must denounce a hit Turkish action movie that shows US soldiers in Iraq as villians or face the consequences for Ankara's bid to join the European Union.

"This film is not acceptable in any way. We must call on Turkish political leaders to distance themselves from it," said Markus Soeder, the secretary general of the conservative Christian Social Union (CSU) in the southern state of Bavaria.

"If this doesn't happen, it will mean that the film is being well-received by them. And such people cannot be accepted into the European Union," he added.

"Valley of the Wolves - Iraq", which is based on a true story, has caused a political storm since it was first screened in Germany almost two weeks ago.

It has proved popular among the country's large Turkish immigrant community and has sold some 20,000 tickets.

The leader of the CSU and premier of Bavaria, Edmund Stoiber, on Sunday urged cinema owners to stop screening the film, calling it "racist and anti-Western".

On Tuesday, the opposition Greens joined in the debate.

One of the party's leaders, Reinhard Buetikofer, told Phoenix television channel "people should not be allowed to make money out of anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism".

Buetikofer suggested that the film could further fuel the tension between the West and the world of Islam as a result of the publication of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed in European media.

"Valley of the Wolves - Iraq" is based on the real-life arrest of 11 Turkish soldiers by a US military unit in Iraq in July 2003 on grounds of "suspicious activity".

They were held for two days before being released without explanation and the incident dealt a blow to relations between Turkey and the United States, long-time NATO allies.

The film features a Rambo-like Turkish intelligence officer, who exacts revenge for the episode, and depicts sadistic violence against innocent Iraqi civilians at the hands of US troops.

On Tuesday a Turkish non-governmental organisation for children's welfare launched a legal appeal in southern Turkey to stop screenings of the film, saying it sought to encourage racism and a skewed national self-image.

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And on a related note, a call for a boycott:


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February 21, 2006 Tuesday 11:47 AM EST

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HEADLINE: Germany calls for boycott of anti-U.S. film

DATELINE: BERLIN, Feb. 21

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German political leaders and Jewish organizations have demanded the boycott of a Turkish action movie that casts U.S. soldiers in Iraq as villains.

Bavarian Premier Edmund Stoiber and the German Central Council of Jews blasted "Valley of the Wolves: Iraq" as anti-American and anti-Semitic and called on German cinemas to stop showing the picture.

"This irresponsible film does not encourage integration but sows hate and mistrust against the West," Stoiber told the Bild am Sonntag newspaper in a reference to the film's popularity among Germany's large Turkish immigrant community. "I urge the cinema owners in Germany to pull this racist and anti-Western hate film immediately... EU candidate Turkey should take a clear stand."

German Free Democrat lawmaker Silvana Koch-Mehrin said Stoiber was acting "not unlike the regimes in Arabic countries that attack the European press freedom and the freedom of speech."

The film, Turkey's most expensive picture ever, has cracked the top 5 of the German box office after huge success in Turkey.

It is based on an actual event, when a U.S. military unit in July 2003 arrested 11 Turkish soldiers on grounds of "suspicious activity."

The film then dives into fiction to feature a Rambo-like Turkish hero who exacts revenge for the episode that at the time offended Turks and tested U.S.-Turkish relations.

It also depicts U.S. troops committing atrocities against innocent Iraqi civilians and includes a Jewish doctor who works alongside the Americans in a secret human organ trade.

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[turska]

This whole movie episode is silly.

How many western movies are being the same towards muslims?

[Pytheus]

I think this movie should be shown all over the Europe to educate Europe what Turks really are.


Apart from that, Edmunt Stoiber ROCKS.
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3870/stoiber8ez.jpg

[tsuri]

For Foreigners who do not neccesarily know Stoiber: He is quite fond of banning Media. Last year(and on other occasions) his Party wanted to ban violent videogames.

I am more concerned about the happenings in a Movie Theatre when, at the end the Hero kills the American Leader, some Turks stood up and shouted Allah is Great.

I have to agree with those that say that a Democracy has to be able to tolerate this. A Ban will only make it more interesting.

[turska]

I think the movie Braveheart had similar effects on scottish audiences whenever Englishman was killed in the movie.

It caused lots of poo flinging on the media back then.

[Pytheus]

All my German friends in Bayern vote fanatically Stoiber.

He should be the Chancellor of Germany now, and not Merkel.. :bash:

[Esszett]

All my German friends in Bayern vote fanatically Stoiber.

He should be the Chancellor of Germany now, and not Merkel.. :bash:

The problem is that Stoiber is far less popular outside of Bayern.
There are some political analysists who say that the fact that Stoiber was the candidate for chancellor of the CDU/CSU in 2002 elections played a major role that they lost these elections.

[Count Lippe]

All my German friends in Bayern vote fanatically Stoiber.

He should be the Chancellor of Germany now, and not Merkel.. :bash:
That dumbass fled to Bavaria when they wanted his "expertise" in Berlin, so why do you think he would be a great chancellor?:roll:

[Weasel]

Is banning a movie the freedom of speech everybody demanded?

[Freibier]

As a Bavarian, I can tell you that Stoiber is a oportunistic asshat.
When he chickened out and didn't go to Berlin, he lost a lot of sympathy with even his most hardcore supporters and within his own party.
He should retire.

[Weasel]

As a Bavarian, I can tell you that Stoiber is a oportunistic asshat.
When he chickened out and didn't go to Berlin, he lost a lot of sympathy with even his most hardcore supporters and within his own party.
He should retire.

Edelmann und Muschi. rofl

[Count Lippe]

Once again, Freibier has prooven to be the coolest Bavarian ever!:hug:

I've seen interviews with Turks comming out of the cinemas and they said that this film is "finally showing the truth about Americans". I don't even want to know what they're being told in their mosques...:cantbeli:

[Freibier]

:D :hug:






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[moughoun]

For Foreigners who do not neccesarily know Stoiber: He is quite fond of banning Media. Last year(and on other occasions) his Party wanted to ban violent videogames.

I am more concerned about the happenings in a Movie Theatre when, at the end the Hero kills the American Leader, some Turks stood up and shouted Allah is Great.

I have to agree with those that say that a Democracy has to be able to tolerate this. A Ban will only make it more interesting.
those who can...do, those who can't go to the movies to see it being done, basically those moron's were poser's, no better then the fakes that come on here, if they had the gut's, they'd be in Iraq right now, getting killedp-)

[Wodan]

As a Bavarian, I can tell you that Stoiber is a oportunistic asshat.
When he chickened out and didn't go to Berlin, he lost a lot of sympathy with even his most hardcore supporters and within his own party.
He should retire.


your bavarian citizenship should be taken away and you should be banished to the rhineland brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Ayura]

I am more concerned about the happenings in a Movie Theatre when, at the end the Hero kills the American Leader, some Turks stood up and shouted Allah is Great.

How is this any different then when people cheered in movie theatres at Bruce Willis in Die Hard, when he kills "the bad guys".

[moughoun]

How is this any different then when people cheered in movie theatres at Bruce Willis in Die Hard, when he kills "the bad guys".
well, he killed German's...p-), I saw Independence Day when it came out here, when the Yank's blew the crap out of the alien's, the cinema erupted. and this was Ireland!:lol:, just thought that was a funny anecdote

[tsuri]

How is this any different then when people cheered in movie theatres at Bruce Willis in Die Hard, when he kills "the bad guys".

Allah is great from secular people from a secular country watching a secular movie? Strange

I must say that the concept of cheering in Theatres is totally new to me. Might be the local prussian discipline.

Edit: Huh? Where´d that thumbs down come from?

[Esszett]

I must say that the concept of cheering in Theatres is totally new to me. Might be the local prussian discipline.


Yeah, I've never seen any cheering in German cinemas either.
Highest grade of emotion you'll see here is some laughter when watching a comedy.
I think if one would watch an action-movie here and started to cheer at some scenes, the other watchers would be pretty irritated.


Allah is great from secular people from a secular country watching a secular movie? Strange

I don't get it either, especially if it's true that the film is anti-American and even antisemitic (haven't seen it). I always thought the Turks were pretty good friends with the Israelis and the Americans.
Now why are so many Turks so enthusiastic to see Turkish movie-heroes fight Americans and Jews?

[Kontra1]

Yeah, I've never seen any cheering in German cinemas either.
Highest grade of emotion you'll see here is some laughter when watching a comedy.
I think if one would watch an action-movie here and started to cheer at some scenes, the other watchers would be pretty irritated.



I don't get it either, especially if it's true that the film is anti-American and even antisemitic (haven't seen it). I always thought the Turks were pretty good friends with the Israelis and the Americans.
Now why are so many Turks so enthusiastic to see Turkish movie-heroes fight Americans and Jews?

Most Turks living abroad...esp. the ones in Germany are more religious than the ones in Turkey(that has something to do living in a Christian society)

To be more specific, they're actually about 30 years behind of Turkey with their traditions and life style.

I'm sure some Germans and Dutch nationals on this board can confirm this.

[haschmich]

i already wrote protest emails to Herrn Stoiber. this guy is finally gone completely insane. i wonder if he masturbates thinking about Bush&USA....
every movie showing usa as bad guys is (according to moronic csu) anti-american AND anti-christian AND anti-western-world. also, if any jew is portrait negatively, the movie is immediately labeled anti-semitic. THOSE POLITICIANS AND SOME GERMAN MEDIA ARE SO DISGUSTING, i am slowly getting INSANE reading about those morons. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK THEEEEEM



*edit: yes, ive also never ever seen a cheering happening in a cinema. this can only be stupid urban legend

by the way, they also make it look like only the turks are watching this film. BUT, i know many many MANY normal germans who are very eager to see that film too (or already have seen it). its simply because atm, usa has the worst reputation of all countries and everybody wants to see them beeing punished. thats not very nice and i aggreee its not 100% fair, but thats the atmosphere for at least the last few years now.

[perdurabo]

now can i behead some turks and set fire under their embassy chanting Jesus is great??

[NewsMan]

Is banning a movie the freedom of speech everybody demanded?

Freedom of speech in America does not cover the ability to yell "fire" in a crowded movie theater... which this is akin to. As for Braveheart... there is a HUGE difference in showing historical fiction and showing non-fiction related to current events. No one in their right mind believes this provides more entertainment than a skewed view of the states in a clear effort to incite.

[NewsMan]

How is this any different then when people cheered in movie theatres at Bruce Willis in Die Hard, when he kills "the bad guys".

Are you serious? If you do not see the difference between Bruce Willis' cop character killing criminals hell bent on extortion and kidnapping with those of US soldiers bleeding, crying and busting their asses for people not even of their heritage...? Like apples and bowling balls.

[Wodan]

i already wrote protest emails to Herrn Stoiber. this guy is finally gone completely insane. i wonder if he masturbates thinking about Bush&USA....


LOLOL, as if Stoiber cares for what some ticks think :D

I dont think he masturbates at Bush, he has a wife after all...







every movie showing usa as bad guys is (according to moronic csu) anti-american AND anti-christian AND anti-western-world.

mornoic csu?

**** YOU

little piece of ****, if you were here the JU of my district would beat you up =)


also, if any jew is portrait negatively, the movie is immediately labeled anti-semitic. THOSE POLITICIANS AND SOME GERMAN MEDIA ARE SO DISGUSTING, i am slowly getting INSANE reading about those morons. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK THEEEEEM


Yeah there are disgusting politicans such as the pedophile leadership of greens, or the linkspartei arseholes...

Stoiber doesnt belong to them..




*edit: yes, ive also never ever seen a cheering happening in a cinema. this can only be stupid urban legend

by the way, they also make it look like only the turks are watching this film. BUT, i know many many MANY normal germans who are very eager to see that film too (or already have seen it). its simply because atm, usa has the worst reputation of all countries and everybody wants to see them beeing punished. thats not very nice and i aggreee its not 100% fair, but thats the atmosphere for at least the last few years now.


The Junge Union Hamm has a nice page for people like you, to help you getting out of "antifascist" organisations and free from their manipulations:

http://www.ju-hamm.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=11&Itemid=110

[BlackRain]

How is this any different then when people cheered in movie theatres at Bruce Willis in Die Hard, when he kills "the bad guys".

You don't know what the hell you are talking about.

The bad guy in Die Hard was "Hans Gruber", a German terrorist trying to steal millions of dollars of negotiable bearer bonds, not a Muslim.

[Freibier]

mornoic csu?

**** YOU

little piece of ****, if you were here the JU of my district would beat you up =)
Sounds more like your local DVU to me rofl

[Weasel]

Sounds more like your local DVU to me rofl

Wodans favourite party. :roll:

[Weasel]

Freedom of speech in America does not cover the ability to yell "fire" in a crowded movie theater... which this is akin to.
It´s like publishing offending cartoons, you are right.

[LaoSexMachine]

I wonder if anyone in Hollywood going to distribute this movies here in America? If they find one, let the flames begin!

[Count Lippe]

To be more specific, they're actually about 30 years behind of Turkey with their traditions and life style.

I'm sure some Germans and Dutch nationals on this board can confirm this.

Uhm, not quite... Didn't see any turks here riding donkeys like they do in anatolia...p-)


BTW, I've asked people at work and others that i know if they've seen this movie. Hardly anyone knew about it, and I don't think they even show it in cinemas around here... The turkish population must be too low...

[rees]

i just checked out the trailer for it then and I was fairly suprised to see it's got Gary Busey and Billy Zane in it.
other than that i looks like any other c-grade culturally ignorant action flick that seems to be continually churned out, except this time it's on the other side of the fence.

[Count Lippe]

i just checked out the trailer for it then and I was fairly suprised to see it's got Gary Busey and Billy Zane in it.
other than that i looks like any other c-grade culturally ignorant action flick that seems to be continually churned out, except this time it's on the other side of the fence.

I thought this kind of movies died out when Hulk Hogan left the movie business...p-)

[NewsMan]

It´s like publishing offending cartoons, you are right.

Last time I checked... US media did not run these....

edit - Some did some didn't. You do have a point to an extent.

[Omaha]

I wonder if anyone in Hollywood going to distribute this movies here in America? If they find one, let the flames begin!


I'd love to see that. I bet movie theaters would be too scared to run it even if they wanted to. I know I'd probably start some ****. That's a given.

[Supe]

Most Turks living abroad...esp. the ones in Germany are more religious than the ones in Turkey(that has something to do living in a Christian society)


Not only Turks. Greeks too and I don't think it has anything to do with religion. It's about keeping bonds and a sense of community in a new country where (to them) everything is strange. Plenty of Greeks in my city and for many of the old gen migrants, nothing has changed. They have insulated themselves from the mainstream. Their kids still largely marry other Greeks but this of course is changing. Now it is increasingly common to marry outside the ethnic group.

In time, the Turkish community in Germany will be less Turkish and more Germanic, as they intermarry and adopt the norms of that country. You have to work very hard to remain insular.

Numero uno way to remain insular: don't learn the language of your new country.

[BoyElroy]

German Theater Chain Yanks Controversial ''Wolves''

*******

February 24, 2006

COLOGNE, Germany (Hollywood Reporter) - German multiplex giant CinemaxX has pulled the Turkish action blockbuster ''Valley of the Wolves: Iraq'' from theaters after accusations that the film, which stars Billy Zane and Gary Busey, is anti-Semitic and anti-American.

CinemaxX, Germany's largest exhibition chain, dropped ''Valley of the Wolves'' from its lineup this week, deciding not to renew its rental contract with German distributor Maxximum.

The move follows a targeted media campaign by German politicians who claim the movie is ``hateful and dangerous'' because it depicts U.S. troops in Iraq committing multiple atrocities and because one of its bad guys, played by Busey, is a Jewish-American doctor dealing in stolen organs.

``The controversy surrounding this film has really heated up,'' CinemaxX spokesman Arne Schmidt explained. ``We didn't want to add oil to the fire, so we decided to pull the film.''

Leading German politicians, including Bavarian Premier Edmund Stoiber and Green Party leader Reinhard Buetikofer, have publicly condemned ``Valley of the Wolves'' and called on movie theaters to not screen the film.

Stoiber has even demanded that the Turkish government apologize for ``Valley of the Wolves,'' saying that refusing to do so could hurt Turkey's chances of being accepted as a full member of the European Union.

Stoiber's comments come in the midst of another debate concerning political controversy and artistic freedom. Cartoons lampooning the Islamic prophet Mohammed, printed in European newspapers, have sparked angry and often violent protests by Muslim groups across the Middle East.

``It is no coincidence that politicians, particularly on the right, are attacking this movie now, when we are in the middle of the controversy over the Mohammed cartoons,'' Maxximum chief Anil Sahin said. ``This is being used as a political football to score points. I wonder if any of the politicians has actually seen the movie. It's just a fun, silly action flick -- 'Rambo' told from the other side.''

Controversy certainly hasn't hurt ``Valley of the Wolves.'' The film is setting boxoffice records in its home country and has proved a crossover success in European territories with a sizable Turkish minority. The film has so far sold about 280,000 tickets in Germany, home to 3 million ethnic Turks.

``Valley of the Wolves'' also is doing well in limited release in the U.K., Benelux and Scandinavia. The movie hits French theaters next week.

In Germany, Maxximum is expanding its release from 65 to 86 screens as media coverage of the controversy boosts interest in the film.

``As a business man, I can only thank German politicians for helping to sell my movie,'' Sahin said. ``As a democrat, however, I am disgusted with this attempt to play politics with the basic rights of free speech and expression.''

*******/Hollywood Reporter

[haschmich]

btw, that movie is still to come german dubbed, its only turkish+subs at the moment! i am looking forward to the dubbed version in the next few months. hehe that will outrage moronic Stoiber&Co even more :)


p.s. Wodan du hast doch keine ahnung. mich als Linken zu beschimpfen ist ja wohl ein witz. in diesem fall hier habe ich halt eine liberale ansicht und die miese arschkriecherorgie vom stoiber mache ich ganz bestimmt nicht mit! im film gehts nicht gegen deutschland oder den westen, sondern allein gegen die amis, und die habens auch mal richtig verdient!!!!!

[turska]

Dubbing is like raping a movie. :)

[haschmich]

Dubbing is like raping a movie. :)
if done professionally, dubs add even more quality to a movie. of course not those dubs where so called VIPs, or hobbyists are cast for dubs - they destroy alot of atmosphere i agree.

[Macs.]

btw, that movie is still to come german dubbed, its only turkish+subs at the moment! i am looking forward to the dubbed version in the next few months. hehe that will outrage moronic Stoiber&Co even more :)


p.s. Wodan du hast doch keine ahnung. mich als Linken zu beschimpfen ist ja wohl ein witz. in diesem fall hier habe ich halt eine liberale ansicht und die miese arschkriecherorgie vom stoiber mache ich ganz bestimmt nicht mit! im film gehts nicht gegen deutschland oder den westen, sondern allein gegen die amis, und die habens auch mal richtig verdient!!!!!

Linker Trottel.

[ClydeFrog]

All my German friends in Bayern vote fanatically Stoiber.

He should be the Chancellor of Germany now, and not Merkel.. :bash:
Not only is he more competent than Merkel or Schroeder... he's also an Ex-Gebirgsjaeger. And don't listen to the Hippie-Germans here ;) i'm a Prussian living in Bavaria and i still love him.

And don't get me started about Turks in Germany or i'll get banned :roll:

[Count Lippe]

Not only is he more competent than Merkel or Schroeder... he's also an Ex-Gebirgsjaeger. And don't listen to the Hippie-Germans here ;) i'm a Prussian living in Bavaria and i still love him.

And don't get me started about Turks in Germany or i'll get banned :roll:

He's still a joke, a pussy who was talking large and then fled from greater responsibility outside of Bavaria, and he can't talk!rofl

BTW, he had his chance and failed. No use to whine about it...

[Freibier]

Edit : ups, wrong thread

[haschmich]

Linker Trottel.
Rechter Trottel.

[Wodan]

Rechter Trottel.

geeeenau... macs ist rechts...

für mich ist das nen 1a-Liberaler...

[ClydeFrog]

He's still a joke, a pussy who was talking large and then fled from greater responsibility outside of Bavaria, and he can't talk!rofl

BTW, he had his chance and failed. No use to whine about it...
He's not the speech-man yes, but when it comes to economic competence he's way better than Schroeder, but Merkel is good aswell i suppose.

As for fleeing from larger responsibility... well he just can't stand being only the second, but then who can. Esp. when you've been the number one (even if "just" in Bavaria) for such a long time. Also i'd rather have him as Ministerpresident for another few years than Beckstein :roll:

BTW, i still beleive in voting the party not the chancellor. Just because people don't like Soiber we had to live with an incompetent red-green government for another few years.

[Count Lippe]

He's not the speech-man yes, but when it comes to economic competence he's way better than Schroeder, but Merkel is good aswell i suppose.

As for fleeing from larger responsibility... well he just can't stand being only the second, but then who can. Esp. when you've been the number one (even if "just" in Bavaria) for such a long time. Also i'd rather have him as Ministerpresident for another few years than Beckstein :roll:

BTW, i still beleive in voting the party not the chancellor. Just because people don't like Soiber we had to live with an incompetent red-green government for another few years.

That's his problem (actually just one of many), his ego. Schrödeer got beaten, and keeps a low profile now, Stoiber ont he other hand can't stand to be second to a woman from the east and rather choses to be head of his own little kingdom than to help all of Germany.:roll:
And voting the party is quite difficult, because the CSU doesn't exist outside of Bavaria and the CDU is quite another party which in many cases has different opinions about certain issues...

[ClydeFrog]

Yeah... NOW Schroeder keeps it on the low... not so long ago he was more like "omgz i ****ing won, i'm ze chancellor!1!!!!" even though he had lost (if just close). So ego-wise he's just as bad as Stoiber. That's HIS problem: He's an arrogant sob. Thank god he's done for. Can go and do his patronage oil jobs now :roll:

[Omaha]

geeeenau... macs ist rechts...

für mich ist das nen 1a-Liberaler...


How can there be so much confusion of whether or not the man is liberal or conservative?

Which is it? Left or Right?

[ClydeFrog]

Liberal isn't necessarily "left". The liberal party in Germany stands for economic liberalism (basically US inspired capitalism), but they are pretty conservative in other regions.

[Rictor]

Rambo, Behind Enemy Lines, Collateral Damage

I could name hundreds of such movies if I sat down and tried to remember evry single one. Hollywood has being doing the same thing for decades, and now one Turkish dares to do the same so it's suddenly the end of the world.

[khukuri]

**** him! freedom of speach!

This is just as ridiclous as when the ambassadors complained about the dane cartoones. Look at him that savage nazi wannabe. HE cant understand democratic values.

[Count Lippe]

Yeah... NOW Schroeder keeps it on the low... not so long ago he was more like "omgz i ****ing won, i'm ze chancellor!1!!!!" even though he had lost (if just close). So ego-wise he's just as bad as Stoiber. That's HIS problem: He's an arrogant sob. Thank god he's done for. Can go and do his patronage oil jobs now :roll:

Yeah, he made an ass out of himself, whatever. Once he's seen that it was over, he decided to retire. Stoiber's ego is more comparable to that of Lafontaine and Gysi... Remember what Gysi did back when he was finance senator in Berlin? He was desperately searching for an excuse to get the hell out of this job because he sucked at it, so that he decided to resign during the uproar the "Flugmeilen" affair caused, even though nobody accused him! Now he's back on top in his old domain being a lefty icon!rofl

[Thor]

I'm appalled by some of the "german" comments here (nothing german about them actually). You need to get your act together and look for islamic extremism and terrorism. Otherwise you're next in line.

[NewsMan]

What you guys forget is that the movies that you draw parallels to were all done as historical fiction. It is different than when the conflict is still ongoing. It then becomes propaganda.. in this case, anti-american. While I haven't seen this movie, what I have read indicates that it is not viewed as entertainment, but as near truth that paints a quite false impression of the US. That makes it propaganda... and when a country is at war... there's two kinds of propaganda: Propaganda for your country and propaganda against your country. The later is the product of America's enemy.

[Weasel]

I'm appalled by some of the "german" comments here (nothing german about them actually). You need to get your act together and look for islamic extremism and terrorism. Otherwise you're next in line.

Oh no....the end is near.

[Count Lippe]

Oh ****! The expert on "German" things has spoken...:roll:

[Beykoz]

David,

Do you think people will be walking out of the theatres with a new look on the war...? Should we expect to see some fresh entries on Wikidpedia, with these revelations of new truth...?

I think you are getting propaganda and capitalism confused.

[NewsMan]

David,

Do you think people will be walking out of the theatres with a new look on the war...? Should we expect to see some fresh entries on Wikidpedia, with these revelations of new truth...?

I think you are getting propaganda and capitalism confused.

If you do just a little reading on the subject, you will find that people ARE walking out of the theater with a reinforced misperception of US servicemen operating in Iraq. When people start looking at this crap as the truth.. and they are, it crosses the line. Any country that is allied with the US should deem it dangerous enemy propaganda, IMO.

If this movie helps people rationalize why they hate the US,it is propaganda that's making the producer a lot of money. War is quite profitable... looks like the Turks are doing just fine in all senses... other than backing its allies.

[Weasel]

It´s just a movie. In decates of Hollywood movies the russians were the evil force. Now, when the roles change, the western world is complaining about one single movie. :roll:

[Wodan]

I'm appalled by some of the "german" comments here (nothing german about them actually). You need to get your act together and look for islamic extremism and terrorism. Otherwise you're next in line.


yeah

how dare we are, for thinking we are the ones who are qualified to find solutions for our own problems..

[camerashy]

If a couple of morons want to stand up and yell "allah akbar", let them....it's no different than a couple of rednecks in the US going "hell yeah, kill all dem sand nggers"". It's just the least intelligent 5% of their population giving their inbred opinions. It's like an idiot looking at a photo of GW and going JESUS!!!! ...just leave them alone and let them live in inbred peace.