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BlackRain
02-22-2006, 08:54 AM
Furor Over Cartoons Pits Muslim Against Muslim
NY TIMES
By MICHAEL SLACKMAN (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/michael_slackman/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
and HASSAN M. FATTAH (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/f/hassan_m_fattah/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
Published: February 22, 2006

AMMAN, Jordan (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/jordan/index.html?inline=nyt-geo), Feb. 21 — In a direct challenge to the international uproar over cartoons lampooning the Prophet Muhammad, the Jordanian journalist Jihad Momani wrote: "What brings more prejudice against Islam, these caricatures or pictures of a hostage-taker slashing the throat of his victim in front of the cameras, or a suicide bomber who blows himself up during a wedding ceremony?"

In Yemen (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/yemen/index.html?inline=nyt-geo), an editorial by Muhammad al-Assadi condemned the cartoons but also lamented the way many Muslims reacted. "Muslims had an opportunity to educate the world about the merits of the Prophet Muhammad and the peacefulness of the religion he had come with," Mr. Assadi wrote. He added, "Muslims know how to lose, better than how to use, opportunities."

To illustrate their points, both editors published selections of the drawings — and for that they were arrested and threatened with prison.

Mr. Momani and Mr. Assadi are among 11 journalists in five countries facing prosecution for printing some of the cartoons. Their cases illustrate another side of this conflict, the intra-Muslim side, in what has typically been defined as a struggle between Islam and the West.

The flare-up over the cartoons, first published in a Danish newspaper, has magnified a fault line running through the Middle East, between those who want to engage their communities in a direct, introspective dialogue and those who focus on outside enemies.

But it has also underscored a political struggle involving emerging Islamic movements, like Hamas in Gaza and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/egypt/index.html?inline=nyt-geo), and Arab governments unsure of how to contain them.

"This has become a game between two sides, the extremists and the government," said Tawakkul Karman, head of Women Journalists Without Constraints in Sana, Yemen. "They've made it so that if you stand up in this tidal wave, you have to face 1.5 billion Muslims."

The heated emotions, the violence surrounding protests and the arrests have sent a chill through people, mostly writers, who want to express ideas contrary to the prevailing sentiment. It has threatened those who contend that Islamic groups have manipulated the public to show their strength, and that governments have used the cartoons to establish their religious credentials.

"I keep hearing, 'Why are liberals silent?' " said Said al-Ashmawy, an Egyptian judge and author of books on political Islam. "How can we write? Who is going to protect me? Who is going to publish for me in the first place? With the Islamization of the society, the list of taboos has been increasing daily. You should not write about religion. You should not write about politics or women. Then what is left?"

While the cartoons have infuriated Muslims, the regional dynamics underlying the conflict have been evolving for decades, during which leaders have tried to stall the rise of Islamic political appeal by trying to establish themselves as guardians of the faith.

In the end, political analysts around the region say that governments have resorted to the very practices that helped the rise of Islamic political forces in the first place. They have placated the more extreme voices while arresting and silencing more moderate ones.

Jihad Khazen, a columnist for the pan-Arab newspaper Al Hayat, said: "The Islamists wanted to prove their strength. The government replied in kind, saying that we are all Muslims and we care about our religion, and I think the truth was trampled on in the process."

In Jordan, King Abdullah II (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/a/_abdullah_ii/index.html?inline=nyt-per), who has been trying to control the most extreme religious forces in the region, came out with such a powerful condemnation of Shihan, the newspaper Mr. Momani edited, that even some of his allies were taken aback.

The newspaper printed three cartoons without obscuring them, including one depicting the prophet in a turban shaped as a bomb with a burning fuse. Many of the king's supporters said he felt the need to respond as firmly as he did partly because of the rise of Hamas, which won parliamentary elections in Gaza, and to strip the Islamists in Jordan of an issue to rally around.

"What Shihan did was a corruption on earth, which cannot be accepted or excused under any circumstances," the Royal Court said in a statement.

But now there seems to be a growing concern and in some circles a degree of regret for unleashing a wave of anger that has claimed lives. In Jordan, authorities moved quickly to release the journalists from detention.

In Libya (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/libya/index.html?inline=nyt-geo), where spontaneous protests are unheard of, allowing protests over the cartoons seemed a safe bet for the authorities — until protesters began criticizing the government. At least 11 people were killed in clashes with the police.

Some of the world's most renowned Islamic religious leaders and scholars recently issued a declaration that, though sharply critical of the drawings, sought to rein in the violence and cautioned Muslims against becoming international pariahs. In so doing, they have begun to echo the sentiments of the journalists facing criminal charges.

"We appeal to all Muslims to exercise self-restraint in accordance with the teachings of Islam," the statement said. It added that "violent reactions" can lead to "our isolation from the global dialogue."

To many journalists, proof that Mr. Momani and Mr. Assadi face charges because of the region's broader political dynamics — and not because of the nature of the cartoons — can be found in Egypt.

After all, Ahmed Abdel Maksoud and Youssra Zahran are free. They are journalists with the Egyptian weekly Al Fajr, one of the first Arab newspapers to publish the cartoons. They wrote a story about the caricatures and reprinted them in October — months before the conflict erupted — to condemn the drawings.

"The feelings of the Muslims are being exploited for some purpose," said Adel Hammoude, editor in chief of Al Fajr. "Religion is the easiest thing to use in provoking the people. Egyptians will never go out on the street in protest about what happened in the case of the sinking ferry or against corruption or this or that."

That thinking is widespread in Yemen, where three journalists languished in a squalid cell, escorted to court by machine-gun toting police. It is echoed in Jordan as well, where two journalists await trial.

Mr. Momani appears in court on Wednesday, while two of the Yemeni journalists were released Tuesday pending their trial. The third begins his trial on Wednesday.

Government officials in both countries say the journalists were arrested for having printed blasphemous cartoons. In Jordan, a spokesman said the king felt especially obligated, because his family is a direct descendant of the prophet.

"If freedom of the press affects national unity in a tribal system with high levels of illiteracy, one has to consider how far it can go," said Yemen's foreign minister, Dr. Abu Bakr al-Qirbi. "All societies have red lines."

But in Yemen, with presidential elections scheduled for September, many see a more political motive.

"They've now found a good reason to put us here — they say the public demanded it," said Mr. Assadi in an interview in his jail cell. "The Yemeni government has many reasons to arrest Yemeni journalists. They want to keep people busy as long as they can, so that they can cover over issues like corruption."

Mr. Assadi, who once worked as a part-time correspondent for The New York Times, is the editor of The Yemen Observer, an English-language paper owned by an adviser to Yemen's president. Mr. Assadi has been sharing a prison cell with Abdulkarim Sabra, the managing editor of the weekly Al Hurriya, and Yehiya al-Abed, a reporter for that paper.

The three stand accused of insulting their faith by publishing the images, a crime approaching heresy. In each case the intention was to condemn the drawings, and The Observer obscured the image with a black X. A fourth man, Kamal al-Aalafi, editor-in-chief of the weekly Al Rai al Aam, became a fugitive after escaping arrest for similar charges.

"When I saw all the demonstrations, I thought that Muslims should be able to see what the fuss was all about," said Mr. Sabra during an interview in jail. "I condemned them; I said these drawings don't represent our prophet, burn them."

The Yemen Observer had called for Muslims to accept the apology of Jyllands-Posten, the Danish newspaper that first printed the caricatures, and urged Muslims to avoid violence. Mr. Assadi said that call was especially unpopular with the government and the Islamists. The Observer recalled its print run and republished a new issue just two days after the initial publication, but to no avail.

"Anyone who insults the prophet must face the sword," said one imam in a recent Friday sermon in Yemen. Another announced, "The government must execute them."

In Jordan, Mr. Momani is free from jail, but a prisoner in his home. He has no work, no immediate prospects, a criminal case against him and a lifetime of friends who privately support his message but say they dare not support him publicly.

Mr. Momani was not the first to print the cartoons in Jordan. Hisham Khalidi, whose newspaper, Al Mehwar, printed the cartoons a week earlier with a story condemning them, is awaiting trial.

But Mr. Momani's timing was particularly bad, just one week after the Hamas victory in Gaza, political analysts said. Jordanian officials expelled Hamas leaders years ago and saw their recent victory as a potential threat to national stability.

From the beginning, Mr. Momani felt the cartoon issue was being manipulated by Islamic groups eager to flex their muscles, and he asked his readers to consider why the protests began so many months after publication. He says he did not expect such a backlash, but that in hindsight, he understands why the authorities acted as they did.

"They wanted to show the Islamic movement that they are the defenders of the prophet" Mr. Momani said in an interview. "They used me."

Mr. Momani expressed exasperation when asked why he printed the cartoons. He insisted that it was the work of journalists to inform, and that he did so after speaking to many people who were outraged without ever seeing the cartoons.

"I am telling my people, 'Be rational, think before you go into the streets,' " he said. "Who harms Islam more?

This European guy who paints Muhammad or the real Muslim guy who cuts a hostage's head off and says, 'Allah-u akbar?'

Who insults our religion, this guy or the European guy?"

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/22/international/middleeast/22cartoons.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&ei=5094&en=e85120f56c914a0a&hp&ex=1140584400&partner=homepage (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/22/international/middleeast/22cartoons.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&ei=5094&en=e85120f56c914a0a&hp&ex=1140584400&partner=homepage)

Argyll
02-22-2006, 09:11 AM
Good find there BR

mogsniper94
02-22-2006, 10:16 AM
I am sure that the religion is about peace, but they sure make it hard for the average Joe to get with that. Is it just not newsworthy anymore or have the heads stopped rolling as much.

I have not seen a torture video story for a while. hmmmm

s005288
02-22-2006, 10:20 AM
I'm tempted to say something like; muslims can't even get along with other muslims, but I don't know too much about the reason for Shias and Sunnis hatin' eachother.

Apathy
02-22-2006, 10:28 AM
Nice find.

BlackRain
02-22-2006, 10:38 AM
Good find there BR

It is a long read but worthwhile. It provides some internal dialogue among Muslims for insight into the cartoon fiasco.

Argyll
02-22-2006, 10:49 AM
Fiasco sums it up well

Ayura
02-22-2006, 11:01 AM
Good article Blackrain...

However, there was one thing in that article seem abit strange to me linguistically.

This quote for example:


Jihad Khazen, a columnist for the pan-Arab newspaper Al Hayat, said: "The Islamists wanted to prove their strength. The government replied in kind, saying that we are all Muslims and we care about our religion, and I think the truth was trampled on in the process."

I find it very strange that he refers to the extremists as "Islamists" because that word isn't even a proper word, it's just Islam fixed with the suffix "ists". The true "Islamists" would be people like Shaikh Hamza Yusuf and Imam Zaid Shakir.


Apart from that "misunderstanding" I think the article was quite good. Reminded me of Zaid Shakir's article alittle bit.

BlackRain
02-22-2006, 11:16 AM
"Islamist" has taken on the meaning these days of a religious fanatic as opposed to the conventional peaceful "Muslim" description.

Ayura
02-22-2006, 11:23 AM
"Islamist" has taken on the meaning these days of a religious fanatic as opposed to the conventional peaceful "Muslim" description.


This is the thing...would you call a fanatical Jew a "Judist"...would you call a fanatical Christian a "Christist"...would you call a fanatical Hindu a "Hindist"? Just because it has taken on the meaning doesn't mean it is acceptable. Unless you still think the term nigg3er is acceptable because it was not so long ago.

It is an unacceptable and extremely misleading term. The connotations it implies is that those who follow Islam are immediately "extremists".

Supe
02-22-2006, 11:49 AM
"I am telling my people, 'Be rational, think before you go into the streets,' " he said. "Who harms Islam more?

This European guy who paints Muhammad or the real Muslim guy who cuts a hostage's head off and says, 'Allah-u akbar?'

Who insults our religion, this guy or the European guy?"



Wow.Excellent article. I wish more voices like this bloke emanated from that region, instead of the usual daily hate from both media and mosque. Peace be upon this guy.

BlackRain
02-22-2006, 11:57 AM
This is the thing...would you can a fanatical Jew a "Judist"...would you call a fanatical Christian a "Christist"...would you call a fanatical Hindu a "Hindist"? Just because it has taken on the meaning doesn't mean it is acceptable. Unless you still think the term nigg3er is acceptable because it was not so long ago.

It is an unacceptable and extremely misleading term. The connotations it implies is that those who follow Islam are immediately "extremists".

It stems from the "fundamentalist" term. The goal of Islamists is the establishing a worldwide Caliphate or Islamic state.

Don't worry, it is a common term and used by Muslims themselves.

Example: Iran’s Islamist rulers want *** segregation on pavements

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5188

Just like this group uses the term as well.

The Islamic Training Foundation is a nonprofit organization of Muslim management professionals dedicated to tarbiyyah.

http://www.islamist.org/

Ayura
02-22-2006, 01:18 PM
The goal of Islamists is the establishing a worldwide Caliphate or Islamic state.


I would like to see a Caliphate. Obviously a worldwide Caliphate is out of the question though.


But aren't terrorists are refered to as 'Islamists' by the media?


And another thing - what is exactly wrong with the term of "fundamentalists"? The people at the Zaytuna instituite in America follow the fundamentals of Islam. Me and my friends try to follow the fundamentals of Islam.

It's just that media has chosen the most awful words to describe those extremists.


EDIT - you didn't answer my question either:


would you call a fanatical Jew a "Judist"...would you call a fanatical Christian a "Christist"...would you call a fanatical Hindu a "Hindist"?

ed316
02-22-2006, 01:22 PM
Good read. Thanks BR

americanbychoice
02-22-2006, 02:51 PM
Fundamentalism's chief problem is that religious authority is complete, and there is no ability to question that which is deemed of the faith. Furthermore, the other bad idea is that religious fundamentalists using a strict interpretation of scripture would do better at leading the masses than non-strict and/or non-religious leadership. These things obviously clash against secular sensibilities.

But let's step back for a moment.
You would agree with the statement that Christian Fundamentalism is bad, correct? What are your views on Christian Fundamentalists? (or, "Christian Fundies" as some Christian-haters like to say)

While there is a time and place to view social issues through the lens of spirituality, why is it required that you subscribe to fundamentalist views of your faith at all times? Yes, Islam is submission, and all of that... and Christianity also has its own peculiar views about how things should be. However, these fundamentalist points of view (where some religious teacher's views trump all others) - how are they compatible with Western society and Western secularism?

Clearly, when it comes to women's issues (for example... to wear whatever they want, including not to be covered/modest/whatever the Muslim practice is... or, in the West, to abort the life of every child, including into the third trimester), a strict interpretation of scripture does not allow for much in the way of Western/modern freedom.

You have to ask yourself, what are the fundamentals that you follow? Who tells you that these are the fundamentals? If these fundamentals of faith cannot be questioned or self-examined, what kind of faith do you follow? It's certainly not a Reformist-type, democratized faith (where salvation is in the hands of the layman practitioner)... and is probably not very compatible with secular society.

...

And why is a Caliphate good in itself? What's the purpose of this arrangement?

It's a romanticized archaic notion, like Quebec independence or Mexican reclamation of the American Southwest & California... that somehow, with a "more pure" society (more Quebecois/French, more Mexican, more Muslim) all of the ills of the society could be purged.

In Canada, people correctly ask Quebec - What do you think you can do better on your own? Where are the jobs going to come from? Where is your Federal budget going to come from? Won't Americans just ignore Quebec & French language anyway - so where are your jobs going to come from?

What is so good about a Caliphate? Doesn't a wish for a Caliphate simply show that some Muslims are incompatible with living with people from the West? (just like Quebec Independence shows that French culture has little real bearing on modern Canadian culture... face up to it, Frenchmen of Quebec! Your independence movement shows how backwards you are in modern Canada!) What good could come of separation?


would you call a fanatical Jew a "Judist"...would you call a fanatical Christian a "Christist"...would you call a fanatical Hindu a "Hindist"?

We would probably call them assholes, or something like that.

For instance, there's no great love for assholes like that Rev. Phelps guy (at least in the Catholic community... I can't speak for all Christians), although people probably pray that he might get a f*cking clue some day.

Why quibble over diction?

It's not the Western media that is portraying Islam in a bad light by calling these assholes Islamists. It's your own bretheren, using the name of Islam & their Fundamentalist view of Islam to excuse their own barbaric behavior, that sully the name of your faith. So why shouldn't the West call them Islamists? Why do Islamic charities funnel Muslim charitable donations to these assholes?

(Why did Catholic charities funnel money to the assholes in the IRA? Because there are assholes inside my faith, and I accept that truth as the plain reality, even if I think their actions are f*cking wrong. Catholicism is not above criticism, and it's plain to see from incidents such as the Inquisition/Anti-Reformation. Why is Islam so damn sacred?)

Ayura
02-22-2006, 03:14 PM
Furthermore, the other bad idea is that religious fundamentalists using a strict interpretation of scripture would do better at leading the masses than non-strict and/or non-religious leadership.


The extremists don't use a strict interpretation of scripture, they deviate from it.

americanbychoice
02-22-2006, 03:47 PM
The extremists don't use a strict interpretation of scripture, they deviate from it.

Your view (and the view of more rational folk).

Their (the Islamic extremists') view is that their interpretation of the Qu'ran is more pure than others.

The Qu'ran is their crutch to prop up their ways... like the Reverend Phelps in the USA uses the Bible to pass judgement on other people, or more violently Orthodox/Zionist Jews see the occupied territories as Israeli land by divine right.

Do you know enough Classical Arabic to debate with Ayman al Zawahri on the actual finer points of your religion? Who is to say whose Fundamentalist interpretation is more Fundamental? (Even in English, I don't think I could debate the finer points of Christianity with Reverend Phelps)

And Osama bin Laden also wants to establish a Caliphate, based on Shariya law (of their more radical interpretation).

Ayura
02-22-2006, 04:00 PM
Thank you for you reply...


Your view (and the view of more rational folk).

Thanks.

Their (the Islamic extremists') view is that their interpretation of the Qu'ran is more pure than others.

Of course, there is no disagreement here. However, the Qu'ran is not the Bible, so try to avoid generalising both respected Holy Books. But the main difference is that the extremists view is one of which I like to call, the "the divine representive view" (a fallacy in itself) - it's the view that these people honestly believe that they are true representive of God's mind and believe that they speak for God, which is just not true as noone can speak for God.

The Qu'ran is their crutch to prop up their ways... like the Reverend Phelps in the USA uses the Bible to pass judgement on other people, or more violently Orthodox/Zionist Jews see the occupied territories as Israeli land by divine right.

It's been reported (I can remember reading some articles, I'll try and look for them) that most of the extremists don't use quotes even remotely similiar to that you which you find on the Anti-Islamic agenda websites. However, I am in agreement with what you say, no argument here.

Do you know enough Classical Arabic to debate with Ayman al Zawahri on the actual finer points of your religion? Who is to say whose Fundamentalist interpretation is more Fundamental? (Even in English, I don't think I could debate the finer points of Christianity with Reverend Phelps)

Nope, I don't speak Arabic, but I have quite a few friends that do and everytime, they have singlehandly refuted by investaging the Arabic text word for word. On average, one Arabic word constituites five different or similiar English meanings, so it's easy to see where the confusion can come from. Take it from me, people like Zawauhri are stubborn, which again ties in with this concept of being the "divine representative."

BTW - as for finer points, you only have to listen to people like Hamza Yusuf (my avatar and my favourite scholar) just to see how 'fine' these scholars can go. A 17 CD collection just on one lecture just on the topic of the 'purification of the heart' doesn't get any 'finer'.

And Osama bin Laden also wants to establish a Caliphate, based on Shariya law (of their more radical interpretation).

That's a desire he will never acquire. I too wish for just a single Caliphate in the world. This would without any doubt in my mind, bring the Global Islamic Community back together. Osama will not run it, I can tell you that.