How fast can you change mags? [Archive]

Death.

02-22-2006, 10:45 AM

No longer than 5 seconds with my glock 19 w/o mags in pouches.

Takes me 24 seconds to strip the gun to slide,barrel,inner barrel, recoil rod, frame, mag, and put it back together =O

I don't think that is fast though, I'll have to try again some time,lol

tenda

02-22-2006, 12:26 PM

well with colt ones and with magpulls... few seconds...!!!p-)

Milla

02-22-2006, 12:50 PM

Yeah i havent timed myself with the arisoft Armalites, butwith the real one it takes about 4 seconds to unload, dump the empty mag into my cargo pocket, and take out another one, insert it, hit the bolt catch, and get some.

bishop1

02-22-2006, 01:39 PM

Reloads are my specialty. With my SOE dump pouch, my M4 is reloaded in under 5 seconds, thats with the mag out in the dump pouch, and a new one in ready to go.

DnA

02-22-2006, 01:47 PM

Never timed myself, but I'm guessing for M4/M16 I can reload in 4 seconds an under.

Remove empty mag, put it in left cargo/thigh pocket, load new mag, hit bolt catch an forward assist.

Lt. Lutz

02-22-2006, 02:07 PM

It only takes me about 5-7 seconds to with my mp5. The mags don't just click in really easily, you have to put the mag in the magwell and then hit the bottom of it to get that final, satisfying click.

-Lt. Lutz

Milla

02-22-2006, 02:14 PM

do magpulls really help?

Lt. Lutz

02-22-2006, 02:15 PM

They seem as though they would, i don't personally own any and i'm not even sure if they make them for the mp5 but even if they do i wouldn't get them because i just have a few crappy star mags.

-Lt. Lutz

DnA

02-22-2006, 02:16 PM

Sometimes, makes it a bit easier to take the mag out, especially if the mag pouch is tight an you can't get a good grip on a mag.

Lutz, I'm pretty sure they do make them for MP5 mags.

I don't own real of the rubber magpulls, I just made my own with gun tape an 550 cord.

RGRBOX

02-22-2006, 02:39 PM

You shouzld be able to speed change a mag in all types of weapons in about a second...

First if you know your about to change mags, then you already have the spare mag ready, and you just drop the mag in your weapon, and replace it ASAP...

I've timed myself in a Nº 3 stopage, with a pistol, and have done it in under 4 second: I'm talking about when you have a round that didn't eject so it's still in the barrel, and a second round just behind it. With this malfunction you have to first swueeze trigger, noitce that somethings wrong, check your slid, and ejection port, then pulling the weapon close to your face, you lock slide to the rear, drop mag from weapon, then charge weapon three times, once this is complete, you charge new mag into weapon, and charge weapon, and continue to fire... under 3.5 seconds is possible.. I've done it that fast only once...

Frens

02-22-2006, 02:39 PM

few seconds (both rifles & handguns) and magpuls really help sometimes. they also protect the bottom of the mags when they drop to the ground.

btw, I'm faster with my AR15 than with my FAL. I hate the AK style mag release of the FAL.

panzerjager

02-22-2006, 02:41 PM

Changing mags is for weenies. Just get a auto-winding 3000 round mag and let it rip all skirmish long. :)

Gringo

02-22-2006, 03:47 PM

With my USP Compact, I can do 3 seconds that involves releasing the spent mag, gripping it with my ring and little finger of my left hand, opening up the pistol mag pouch on my belt, withdrawing a new mag and inserting it into the USP, all whilst I still grip the spent mag with my two fingers, and that mag can be stored away when in cover.

Milla

02-22-2006, 03:47 PM

You shouzld be able to speed change a mag in all types of weapons in about a second...

Tap RAck bang with the M16 variants lol thats always a fun drill. Its also fun with a double feed and you need to remove the mag and shake the damn rifle so the rounds come out, than yo uget that real bad jam where you need to pull one out with your fingers when 2 are stuck in the chamber. :lol:

Anyway you should definatly be able to change mags in under 5 seconds. If i didnt do magazine retention i could probably knock atleast a second off. But i dont like losing mags, espcially in the real deal, they teach us mag retention all the time, so its second nature.

Milla

02-22-2006, 03:50 PM

Death.

02-22-2006, 04:35 PM

You shouzld be able to speed change a mag in all types of weapons in about a second...

Not an m2, heh. Well I guess it's a mag since the belt is housed in the ammo can...

Probably not any Bullpups either, it's a little slower

and also the G11, mag comes out the front of the gun so that'd take longer..

and the P90..

hmm...

Milla

02-22-2006, 04:42 PM

Not an m2, heh. Well I guess it's a mag since the belt is housed in the ammo can...

Probably not any Bullpups either, it's a little slower

and also the G11, mag comes out the front of the gun so that'd take longer..

and the P90..

hmm...

Yeah i bet its fun to change a P90 mag, i haven't tried but it doesnt look to quick. Espeically bullpups. But i guess you get use to it. I dont like bullpups for the reason for where the mag is...but thanit wouldnt be a bullpop would it? ;)

RGRBOX

02-22-2006, 04:49 PM

Tap RAck bang with the M16 variants lol thats always a fun drill. Its also fun with a double feed and you need to remove the mag and shake the damn rifle so the rounds come out, than yo uget that real bad jam where you need to pull one out with your fingers when 2 are stuck in the chamber. :lol:

Anyway you should definatly be able to change mags in under 5 seconds. If i didnt do magazine retention i could probably know atleast a second off. But i dont like losing mags, espcially in the real deal, they teach us mag retention all the time, so its second nature.

I agree with you on that... I try to always keep my mags for later use... but there are those times, like when you using your in a fire fight, and you have to just get on with it... if you win, then you will have time to maybe pick up your empties.. if you lose... who cares.. you sure don't want the bad guy having an easy time of it..

Death.

02-22-2006, 04:50 PM

Yeah i bet its fun to change a P90 mag, i haven't tried but it doesnt look to quick. Espeically bullpups. But i guess you get use to it. I dont like bullpups for the reason for where the mag is...but thanit wouldnt be a bullpop would it? ;)

Obviously since that's the definition of Bullpup,lol.

Milla

02-22-2006, 04:50 PM

I agree with you on that... I try to always keep my mags for later use... but there are those times, like when you using your in a fire fight, and you have to just get on with it... if you win, then you will have time to maybe pick up your empties.. if you lose... who cares.. you sure don't want the bad guy having an easy time of it..

Agreed :hug: While i havent been a real fire fight yet, i dont know what i would do, but for training i do mag reention, but all that **** goes out the window in the real deal i guess.

RGRBOX

02-22-2006, 04:52 PM

Not an m2, heh. Well I guess it's a mag since the belt is housed in the ammo can...

Probably not any Bullpups either, it's a little slower

and also the G11, mag comes out the front of the gun so that'd take longer..

and the P90..

hmm...

If I had any of those weapons then I'd train on them until mag changes were second nature... but as you've stated.. those are some problem childs of weapons.. and that's why I don't use them...

For a Crew served weapon..(M2) then it's easy.. make sure bolt in to the rear..open feed try cover, sweep hand across free try, re-load belt. close feed try and start firing..

Yeoman

02-22-2006, 04:52 PM

Milla

02-22-2006, 04:56 PM

c7; what was it? 5.8, cocking the cocking handle rather then hitting the forward assist as well.
have a buddy that did it in 3.8 or something like that, just a freakin whirlwind.
it's actually suprisingly hard. something that I really should pratice some more.
Greg

yeah its pretty diffuicult to get use to at first,especially sometimes if you fumble the magazine. But like i said slow is smooth smooth is fast. And your talking about reloading with a fresh start (IE the bolt has not locked back to the rear)?

RGRBOX

02-22-2006, 05:01 PM

Yes, you should prectice doing it.. but doing it right, and not loosing control over the situation is better, then doing a spped change in .5 seconds, and not knowing how to do everything else that is more important in a firefight...

xoom

02-22-2006, 05:39 PM

What about videos?! :)

TacoDelRio

02-22-2006, 06:22 PM

I can bust one out (rub one out ;)) in about a couple seconds. My LBE literally grows mags, so I just let them fall to the groudn and a new one regenerates.

Or I bust out video game skillz, and I just step on the mag on the ground like a healthpack, and I automatically gain it. ;)

Seriously though, as far as mag retention goes, I use a MOLLE 2 Sustainment pouch as a dump pouch. It's big as hell and really easy to find on my hip, just drop the mag in.

As Mikebox said, if yer in some sorta static ambush-type situation, and you're the abmush-er, you might have a few extra mags laying next to you, ready to be scooped up.

Anthony91

02-22-2006, 06:23 PM

I would say 4-7 seconds to reload with my M4's.

TacoDelRio

02-22-2006, 06:27 PM

You need some elbow grease there A Dawg.

Anthony91

02-22-2006, 06:39 PM

You need some elbow grease there A Dawg.

Like Milla said, slow is smooth and smooth is fast.

With a bolt action rifle, I can reload faster than Gomer Pyle can eat a jelly filled donut.

TacoDelRio

02-22-2006, 06:44 PM

Shiithowdy, that's 2.5 seconds!

Yeoman

02-22-2006, 07:54 PM

yeah its pretty diffuicult to get use to at first,especially sometimes if you fumble the magazine. But like i said slow is smooth smooth is fast. And your talking about reloading with a fresh start (IE the bolt has not locked back to the rear)?

bolt to the rear. just the way I was taught, trust the cocking handle over the bolt forward.
I just hate the location of my mag holders.
the one day we were loosening off the straps so that the mag pockets tops hung around our upper ab area and everyone was getting much faster times (as was I, the one posted was fastest with tac vest on properly). so a complaint went in, wether or not it went forward, who knows.
I'm still praying they allow me to replace my tac vest, but anywas back on topic.
yeah smooth is fast, but like I said, our vest just have a ****ty location for mags. lord only knows how I'd do with webbing on, probably better.
Greg

GeraldDuval

02-22-2006, 08:19 PM

bigjeff

02-22-2006, 08:28 PM

My reloadin time is too long...around 5-6 secs.
I know it's bad,probably becoz of poor coordination.

Btw,any guys here dun use dump pouch?So how do u store the emptied mags?I've heard tat British army taught the garrison to put the emptied mags inside the shirt but u gotta makesure ur shirt is tucked inside ur pants well orelse they will drop off!Is tat true?

TacoDelRio

02-22-2006, 09:09 PM

I havn't tried it but i heard that this helps alot with reloadtime:

Get magpulls (or 550cord and 90mph tape) and a carbiner for mountain climbing. have the carbiner attached to your left shoulder (or right, if your left handed) and then insead of fumbling with a dumppouch, just clip the magpulls onto the carbiner. Then whenever you have time you can put them in the dump pouch or pockets...

Have tried that. Loud as a motherf*cker when you move so much as an inch.

I went so far as to use a carabiner at the top of a dump pouch, so they don't rattle as much.

I'm sticking to my dump pouch.

Death.

02-22-2006, 09:18 PM

I can reload my brother's SKS in about..........9 -10 seconds because of that stupidfugginadihslkffafnaignaiidoitic lip they put on SKS mags that fits in 3 different ways and only works in 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111

TacoDelRio

02-22-2006, 09:32 PM

I've yet to find a detatchable SKS magazine that I'd bet $5 on, let alone my own defense.

I just go with the 10rd clips. I fed 770rds through my SKS on 10rd clips, with a buddy reloading clips as I only had 40 of them. THey all fit in a Maxpedition Rolly Poly, which I now only use for shooting or hunting with a shotgun. Real handy.

The SKS started to "get warm" as you can see:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/TacoDelRio/Torture1.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/TacoDelRio/SKSsteaming.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/TacoDelRio/SKSsteaming2.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/TacoDelRio/SKSsteaming5.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/TacoDelRio/SMokey5.jpg

Sorry if I got off topic. The Maxpedition pouches work great for clip-fed firearms and airsoft guns that use small magazines.

Death.

02-22-2006, 09:34 PM

Jesus dude, wtf kind of SKS is that and WTF KIND OF SHOOTIN WERE YA DOIN? LOL.

The ones we have are Romanian and Yugoslavian and have never gotten that hot..yours looks like it's boiling the oil on it.

But then again I've never shot 770 rounds through it in one sitting,probably 100-150 tops..I prefer my mauser..SKS kicks like a little girly man.

Milla

02-22-2006, 09:40 PM

Have tried that. Loud as a motherf*cker when you move so much as an inch.

I went so far as to use a carabiner at the top of a dump pouch, so they don't rattle as much.

I'm sticking to my dump pouch.

Yeah i hate the carabiner dumping. When you move its loud, plus its out of the way, why you would go up to your shoulder to dump a mag when you are pulling the magazine out of the weapon in a downward motion, you just go straight for the dump pouch or the cargo pocket than back up for a mag and right into the weapon. Rather than pulling the mag out of the weapon and up to your shoulder to dump a mag...but whatever works.

TacoDelRio

02-22-2006, 09:40 PM

Catch22

02-22-2006, 09:42 PM

Fast or Tactical reload?

AR with bolt release are the fastest, even with forward asisst fast one (no bang>chamber control>drop magazine>replace magazine>release bolt>tap the assist>ready) takes under 1,5-2 secs. Tactical with retention (assuming we're using some kind of dedicated dump bag) usually adds +2 seconds. At least thats for me.

Fastest reload on AK was at some 2-2,5 seconds. But it wasn't my time. HK SL8 (as a placebo for G36) was somewhere in between.

I need to measure my time on Glock.

Anyway most of it depends on the situation, pressure and the gear you use. The timing I gave is for decent vest with DA type magazine pouches and kydex pouches for the sidearm. Standing, static positon.

TacoDelRio

02-22-2006, 09:44 PM

I'm faster on AK's, only due to the cheaper magazines! Just drop those bitches! :)

GoArmy328

02-22-2006, 09:45 PM

Uh my best would have to be 3 seconds, and on a bad day 4 seconds.

Catch22

02-22-2006, 09:51 PM

TacoDelRio

02-22-2006, 09:53 PM

Yeah Ryan, try this when ****e, and all you got is that nice russian style ammo bag on your side with 4 magazines stuck solid in it. I know it airsoft section but comparing things like that needs some set criteria, right?

I see the you learned not to wear ghey fingeless gloves the hard way ;-)

Haha I don't get it, you mean AK mags in a maxpedition pouch?

I wear fingerless gloves because of working with electronics (no dexterity from a person who's already got poor coordination!), and when loading rounds into a shotgun magazine tube, full finger gloves end up getting caught in the tube between the wall and follower. Not good.

Catch22

02-22-2006, 10:04 PM

Haha I don't get it, you mean AK mags in a maxpedition pouch?

No I meant true old school.

http://www.rusmilitary.com/images/pouch_ak4.jpg

TacoDelRio

02-22-2006, 10:05 PM

Oh you mean gangster style?

Just throw the magazine at the bad guy!

Catch22

02-22-2006, 10:07 PM

M'kay. But do I pull them out the bag first? :-)

TacoDelRio

02-22-2006, 10:11 PM

No!

Mind you I'm slightly confused.

Death.

02-22-2006, 10:11 PM

It's a Yugoslavian M59. $125 BUCKS! :)

My buddy found 500rds of rusty, really horrible looking Romanian soft-point ammunition in his buddie's garage. Looked like some shiit from WWII.

"HEY LET'S SHOOT IT!"

So there you have it. 220rds of WOLF ammo, 500rds of some Romanian rusty crap, and I was able to remove all the cosmoline from my fore-end! Fingerless gloves don't protect your hands from boiling hot cosmoline dripping onto your hands, but I was too motivated to stop. Couldn't feel my fingertips for a few days.

The SKS pwnz j00r Mauser when it comes to a good intermediate, semi-modern light infantry weapon. :)

Lol, you still had the cosmoline on your rifle? DOH.

we use Wolf ammo in our SKS's, it's nice and cheap :D

and my mauser totally owns that POS in terms of rawpowah! lol.

ours were 169$ /w accessiries and muzzle grenade launcher + leaf site, then the romanian was around 200, both with bayonets

DnA

02-23-2006, 01:23 PM

I'm still praying they allow me to replace my tac vest

lol, leave the Royals an go PPCLI, most of them got their own LBV, chest rigs, etc

KEEPER0311

02-23-2006, 01:46 PM

with my 1911(airsoft of course) i can dump the mag, pouch it, and have a fresh one in under 4seconds.

Sabre

02-23-2006, 04:24 PM

If I had any of those weapons then I'd train on them until mag changes were second nature... but as you've stated.. those are some problem childs of weapons.. and that's why I don't use them...

For a Crew served weapon..(M2) then it's easy.. make sure bolt in to the rear..open feed try cover, sweep hand across free try, re-load belt. close feed try and start firing..

Working parts to rear, open top cover, clear feed tray, close top cover, fire off action, open top cover, load belt, close top cover, working parts to rear and fire.

If you load the belt with the bolt to the rear you might fire the action with the top cover up (accidentally) and lose part of your face. We do this as a generic stoppage drill to make sure breach explosions are minimised.

Also, with pistol stoppages, it is best to keep your arm extended in the firing position and carry on tracking your target. In CQB, it is all to easy to look down, clear the stoppage and then realise you don't know where the enemy has gone in the mean time. It takes a bit more practice but it is easily done. Also remember to shout 'CLOSE' or similar once your stoppage is clear, it helps prevent your oppo from drilling you in the back of the head as you stand up again!

zulu261

02-26-2006, 06:36 AM

Using Mag Clips, reloading under 2 seconds (MP5) :D

ShadowCrow

02-26-2006, 07:36 AM

Using Mag Clips, reloading under 2 seconds (MP5) :D
About the same here, although I do not have all my mags clipped together.

anvo

02-26-2006, 09:02 AM

I can change my AK-4 mag in 5 sec, but in combat situation it was about 3-4 sec
Whit my CG A2 I and my brother of arm,can shoot 2times and then unload in 16 sec

Justin

02-26-2006, 09:21 AM

Because my magazines are so precious to me, i take a little longer to reload my MP5 :oops:

When my MP5 runs out, i immediately switch to my pistol, and look for cover. Once i am safe from any form of enemy fire, i holster my pistol, pull out my depleted mag and safely place it in my Dump bag, remove a new mag from my vest and smack it into place.

From the removal of the mag to the replacement of a new one, i take from 6 - 8 seconds in total. I love my mags, i don't like them scratched, lol! woot woot

-Justin

Mjöllnir

02-26-2006, 10:49 AM

Try to beat this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7170537102132072437&q=ipsc

Justin

02-26-2006, 11:55 AM

Try to beat this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7170537102132072437&q=ipsc

That is so damn fast! I didn't even realise that he changed mags at the start, lol..

RGRBOX

02-26-2006, 02:24 PM

Who is that guy... looked like a Military uniform hanging off of the filing cabinet..

TacoDelRio

02-26-2006, 02:53 PM

IPSC... so "practical"...

No offense against their shooting skills, as they are obviously very skilled, but I don't see much practicality in the way they often times shoot, and the tools they use. But who asked me?

Nobody.

Good clip! Damn that's fast!

Scottie

02-26-2006, 03:08 PM

i employ someone to change my mags for me.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6477191684809913367&q=speed+reload

RGRBOX

02-26-2006, 05:35 PM

RGRBOX

02-26-2006, 05:38 PM

i employ someone to change my mags for me.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6477191684809913367&q=speed+reload

Wrong! wrong! wrong! wrong! do it that way, and the chance of survival has gone way down... besides all of the technque being s.h.i.t. he takes his eyes off of the target to change mags... don't get me started on the rest...

Icarus1

02-26-2006, 06:03 PM

One exercise in the shooting test you had to pass was:
Target 5m away, center zone
BEEP - GO!
draw gun
2 shots, reload, 2 shots
STOP

all this under 4 sec. I don't know my exact time. But I am a fast, clean drawer of the pistol (Sphinx AT200PS at that time) and was always good in time. Magazine Pouches were oldschool leather with latch, also pistol holster. But I love em this way, never lost a mag, neither in service nor training.

TacoDelRio

02-26-2006, 07:02 PM

Where'd you get the Sphinx? I've always been slightly interested in their .380 ACP model as a CCW.

Do any of these speed deals have you take down a bad guy? Like if yer at a taco stand (work with me here, I'm home!), and someone for whatever mystical magic reason pulls a gun on you for your wallet or something, you draw, shoot him, then what? He's on the ground, you've changed magazines in under .0000000003 nanoseconds, are you going to cuff him somehow? Call the cops?

I'm honestly curious, I'm not trying to poke fun or be an ass (that's my occupation though).

I would imagine you'd respond by removing any weapons, searching him, and keeping his ass subdued until cops arrive.

Yeoman

02-26-2006, 08:53 PM

lol, leave the Royals an go PPCLI, most of them got their own LBV, chest rigs, etc

the rebadge is in as soon as I find out wether or not they're putting me back in para coy ;)
Greg

GeraldDuval

02-26-2006, 10:27 PM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4960982868811177155&q=ipsc

The world record holder for speed shooting...and he's reloading a revolver!

TacoDelRio

02-26-2006, 10:32 PM

Jerry Miculek

When you work behind the gun counter, everyone wants to debate whether it was 8 seconds, or 7.999999999 seconds.

Death.

03-14-2006, 05:47 PM

I was outside practicing mag changes with my glock and an mp5, I when the spare mags are in my left hip pocket, bottom out, i can change the mag in less than a second, but I have to take my eyes off target for a split second to make sure the mag goes in smooth, and the gun also tilts towards the right a bit so it takes less time..but it works so far :Dtakes about 1.5 with the mp5 cuz the STAR mags don't go in smooth. I was doing this with 3 cardboard boxes, 1 bb in each mag, shot, reload, shoot,reload, shoot, trying to hit all 3 boxes.

It'd be easier with someone out there with me timing me and watching for the hits.

GeraldDuval

03-14-2006, 06:26 PM

Using my Romanian SAR-1, Reloads are about 3 seconds from a closed ammo pouch w/ no mag retention, 4-5 with mag retention (depending on if i pick the mag upside down or not.

I'm using Brit P58 webbing as my ammo pouches and Russian gasmask bag as a dump pouch btw.

TacoDelRio

03-14-2006, 07:38 PM

You can own an AK in Paris?

Correct me if I'm wonrg, unless you put your location as Paris for another reason.

I can change mags with an AK in under 25 seconds. :)

GeraldDuval

03-14-2006, 08:06 PM

I havn't changed my location yet. I lived in paris for a month on a study abroad course. Currently though I'm back at my house in Delaware
http://guillemette.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/delaware.jpg

damnit! paris was better...

TacoDelRio

03-14-2006, 08:08 PM

HAHAHAHA

Yeah but not for gun ownership it ain't!

Randomrokottaja

04-19-2006, 07:57 AM

To change an AK/RK mag takes about 3-5 seconds. Includes also charging the weapon if mag isn't changed before the "empty shot".

Changing a pistol clip takes about 2-3 seconds.

I use to shoot sometimes IPSC related shooting genres, specially it's military related versions. Nice and challenging way to spend leisure time and they also develope my shooting and weapon handling skills.

TacoDelRio

04-19-2006, 08:25 AM

You own a clip-loading pistol?

Just pulling your chain. ;)

Randomrokottaja

04-19-2006, 10:19 AM

You own a clip-loading pistol?

Just pulling your chain. ;)

Oh, sorry i meant 9mm pistol's magazine, not SKS-style clips. :>

Btw. Once even tried to load a SKS with clips but with bad success. I didn't push hard enough.

Blarney

04-19-2006, 12:08 PM

Fast. Very fast.

Christophe

04-19-2006, 12:35 PM

Approx 2 seconds max. (Browning GP)

About 4-5 for the Steyr Aug in 9mm. I hate bullpups.

Vostok

04-19-2006, 04:58 PM

I'm gunna take a guess and say under 6 seconds, if I'm doing it to time myself with my AK, I just fling the spent mag away as I press the mag release, and snag another mag.

TacoDelRio

04-19-2006, 05:07 PM

Oh, sorry i meant 9mm pistol's magazine, not SKS-style clips. :>

Btw. Once even tried to load a SKS with clips but with bad success. I didn't push hard enough.

If I still had the video (or if I find a disk of it), I was able to recharge/reload my SKS using 10rd clips in about 4 seconds. I was sitting though, and was kinda racing the clock, so I just threw the clip down. Not too "tactical", but I was just blowing through 700 something rounds of old rusted up Romanian softpoints.