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Seraphim
03-02-2004, 05:16 PM
By JESSE J. HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Senate Republicans scuttled an election-year bill to immunize the gun industry from lawsuits Tuesday after Democrats amended it to extend an assault weapons ban and require background checks on all buyers at private gun shows.



The National Rifle Association began pressuring senators to vote against the bill after Democrats won votes on the two key gun control measures. The 90-8 vote against the bill virtually ends any chance for gun legislation to make through Congress this year.


"I now believe it is so dramatically wounded that I would urge my colleagues to vote against it," said Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, the sponsor of the gunmaker immunity bill.


Democrats won close votes on their amendments to change the Republican legislation, a strategy aimed at pressuring the GOP-dominated House to accept the restrictions to gain passage of the gunmaker-immunity bill.


While Democrats won't get the gun ban extension and the gun show legislation, they called the vote a success. Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said, "The immunity bill was a terrible bill. We're better off at the end of the day than we were at the beginning of the day."


Underlining the importance of the day to Democrats, presidential contenders John Kerry (news - web sites) of Massachusetts and John Edwards (news - web sites) of North Carolina broke away from the campaign trail to cast their first Senate votes of the year, joining the 52-47 majority on the assault weapons ban and the 53-46 majority on the gun show bill.


A dozen Republican senators voted for one or both of the provisions, allowing minority Democrats to gain victories on the amendments.


The House last year passed a bill to shield gunmakers and dealers from liability suits by crime victims. But Republican leaders in the House refused to allow a vote on continuing for another decade the assault weapons ban, which is to expire in September.


Democrats had hoped their victories in the Senate on gun shows and assault weapons would force Republicans to let the House also vote on them. But the White House said the two amendments would only kill the effort to immunize the gun industry from lawsuits.


"Some are simply more interested in undermining that piece of legislation than they are in necessarily getting the other legislation passed," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Tuesday.

Beowulf
03-02-2004, 05:19 PM
woohooo!!!
AWB expires this year....

GOP :
I'm Rick James Beeyatch!!!

Sixgun Symphony
03-02-2004, 05:20 PM
Don't they ever learn? The Democrats lost their long held majority in congress because of their gun control agenda.

This will help reelect Bush in the coming election and might even give the GOP a larger majority in congress.

Not that I am complaining mind, we can pass a clean bill next year.

George W. Bush
03-02-2004, 05:34 PM
Ughh!!!

I saw Kerry today say that so-called assault weapons (semi-automatic military pattern rifles) are only used by TERRORISTS!!!

I guess I am a terrorist now. Unbelievable

Beowulf
03-02-2004, 05:36 PM
Ughh!!!

I saw Kerry today say that so-called assault weapons (semi-automatic military pattern rifles) are only used by TERRORISTS!!!

I guess I am a terrorist now. Unbelievable

Only if it has a bayonet lug, and scary looking pistol grip.

rob
03-02-2004, 08:21 PM
i think he just called a quarter of america terrorists.

and this guy plans to win an election? he sure is going about it the right way. :roll:

SOG
03-02-2004, 09:41 PM
eh those that play with those kinds of toys probably wouldnt have voted for him anyway so no extreme harm done vote wise.

just out of curiosity, i know what was just defeated by not passing, but what may be repealed in the future. i am somewhat aware of california gun limitations, but what does the federal one entail? pistol grips on rifles, magazines for assault rifles, pistol clips holding over ten rounds, pre ban weapons, etc etc?

AK-Lover
03-02-2004, 10:30 PM
Does anybody here know which state has the least restricting laws on Full Auto's and such. Just curious. :D

rob
03-02-2004, 11:55 PM
i know nevada and arizoa have it pretty well off

Durandal
03-03-2004, 09:06 AM
Does anybody here know which state has the least restricting laws on Full Auto's and such. Just curious. :D

This is a Federal Law, which supercedes any State. There is no State in the Union where it is easier to get automatic weapons. They are controlled, CLass III firearms, that require a Class III Federal Firearms License (which also covers, silenced weapons, and short weapons).

A great number of States are "gun owner friendly" however. Places like Pennsylvania, Nevada, Florida, Kentucky, etc...for one reason or another. Ohio, which allows ownership of pretty much anything tolerated by the Federal government also allows its cities to pass their own gun laws, which makes this State very confusing and potentially hazardous (for gun owners). They also passed a Conceal Carry law, whicg gives me, a Kentucky Resident, recipriocity in Ohio...which is sort yin and yang balance balanceI suppose till you take you.

Go to Knob Creek next month, they have all the literature you could want on Full Auto ownership the legalities associated with it. There is a ton of paperwork and costs a fortune.

Haiw
03-03-2004, 09:16 AM
Errrm yeah, let's help serbian loverboy get an automatic rifle. That's bound to make this world a safer place. :roll:

Durandal
03-03-2004, 09:45 AM
Having lived in Cincinnati most of my life, I find the attempts to make gun manufacturers liable for gun violence unbelievable.

(In Cincinnati there was a city government led lawsuit claiming this)

That is like making car manufacturers responsible for accidents and road rage invovling automobiles.

Of course, I have no problem holding a manufacturer responsible for product defects that harm people, but that is not what this is about. I am sad to see the bill get axed but I will be far happier to see the AWB lifted.

I am also tired of hearing about "Gun Show Loopholes". The loophole has nothgin to do with gun shows. A private citizen can sell his or her OWN firearms to any other private citizen. THIS is the "Gun Show Loophole" that everyone talks about. Dealers that attend gun shows (i.e. FFL holders) STILL require background checks by law. The fact that I can go to a show, meet someone, and buy a gun is not illegal. So what a bunch of these super libs want is to deny my ability to legally purchase, sell, or trade my firearms.

Instead we get politi-speak...like using the term "Assault Weapons" when describing semi-automatic firearms.

Sir Zach of R.
03-03-2004, 10:11 AM
82% of all crimes commited since 1996 have been with handguns. THe small majority was stuff like semi-auto MAC-10s and stuff like that. And the only REAL crime commited with a full-auto rifle was in 1997 in L.A. when those two dudes robbed that bank. From what I heard, the two guys bought the guns somewhere other than the US.

Durandal
03-03-2004, 10:32 AM
82% of all crimes commited since 1996 have been with handguns. THe small majority was stuff like semi-auto MAC-10s and stuff like that. And the only REAL crime commited with a full-auto rifle was in 1997 in L.A. when those two dudes robbed that bank. From what I heard, the two guys bought the guns somewhere other than the US.

Wrong...the guuns were purchased right here iint he United States. They were however, imported illegally into the United States. A know it seems like a small difference, but it is an important one, especially when you look a gun control legislation on a whole...

THis is a tad bit old...a decade now. In 1994, traces done 85, 000 firearms related to a crime of one sort or another showed that while 78% of the weapons were manufactured here inthe United Statesm the rest were foreign import. Here are the, by percentage, the origins of those weapons...

Brazil (5%)
Germany (3%)
China (3%)
Austria (3%)
Italy (2%)
Spain (2%)

Not a slam on any of these nation, just an interesting fact.