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Mirror

02-25-2006, 04:30 PM

I've a question for those who have read or have the SEAL sniper manual.

What is your review about this book and is it worth purchasing?

Thanks,
Mirror

CRAZY MERC

02-25-2006, 08:33 PM

It's ok.
You can download it from bit torrents.
Just search on google.
Cheers

maw

02-25-2006, 10:07 PM

wafwot.
many better texts out there. google john plaster.

mogsniper94

02-25-2006, 10:53 PM

It blows.... Just get the Marine pub, or any of the newer texts. PLaster is a dork, but his book is supposed to be updated with new combat tactics.

They used to send SEALS to Marine Sniper school but they washed out too much. My buddy went to First Mar div school, and 4 out of 4 seals failed.ONE was dropped for cheating.. NONE of them made it to stalking.

Mirror

02-26-2006, 06:00 AM

It's ok.
You can download it from bit torrents.
Just search on google.
Cheers

Thanks Crazy Merc... Is there a site? I've been searching on google, but havent been succesfull.

Mirror

Mirror

02-26-2006, 06:09 AM

wafwot.
many better texts out there. google john plaster.

I've checked the biograghy of John Plaster. Respect to the man, but why would his book BE BETTER than the SEAL manual?

Mirror

Mirror

02-26-2006, 06:21 AM

Seraphim

02-26-2006, 06:28 AM

US Marines are the best snipers in the world, period. Too me what is important is the information.

Mirror

That is a bold statement to make...

Justin

02-26-2006, 07:59 AM

That is a bold statement to make...

I agree...

from an episode of CSI:Miami, they said something like "US Marines are ONE of the best snipers in the world."....

In the World Sniper Compeitition held by Operational Tactics (http://www.operationaltactics.org/), US Marines excelled in some areas, whilst other US police/military departments and sniper teams from other countries excelled in other areas. If they were the best in the world, then they would have been top in all the different categories.

More information:
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_3_47/ai_70650324
and
http://www.operationaltactics.org/world/results.html

-Justin

PS: I'm not saying US Marine Snipers aren't good at all, so please do not misinterpret what i am saying. I just disagree with the point that 'US Marine Snipers are the best in the world.'

AnniHilatoR

02-26-2006, 09:16 AM

I agree with Justin. US Marine snipers are skilled marksmen, but I wouldn't call them the best in the world. They have different roles to those of other snipers, such as those in law enforcement. The equipment and conditions also play a part. I doubt very much that US Marine snipers would be able to do the same job as Russian snipers, who are out in the cold hunting rebels in Chechnya. The same would apply if Russian snipers were in Iraq.

mogsniper94

02-26-2006, 11:03 AM

Who the hell quotes CSI miami for their technical knowledge in a post.
You people need to get a grip..... Russian Snipers use a crap weapon system with limited training. They employ a weapon that shoots a 2 moa group for god sakes. The optics are crap, and the ammo is junk.

Listen to me kids....buy the Seal book if u want. BUT its a reprint of the Marine Manual. SEALS suck at sniping. In Mogadishu they took 100 shots at the port, and hit dick(they blamed high winds). They got pulled out and snipers from 1st Force went in there, and 1 MARINE got 22 kills in an afternoon. You want the skinny on sniping ask a US Marine, A Brit, or a Canadian.

Ask yourself this...if u have to stay current in water ops, sub ops, air ops, black ops,and greens and fulfill deployment requirements how good are u at any of those. Do u have time to shoot better than a MArine, whos sole job is to kill with a bolt action rifle? ahhhhh no. A Seal told me that.

HAve attached scan of data book 1000y line 10 for 10. Seals wouldnt know about that since they never make it to qual day. They have their own school now that they made easier so they can pass.

mogsniper94

02-26-2006, 11:08 AM

Justin...... btw..... Operational Tactics Sniper training blows. There is a reason that nobodies compete in his competiton. Stuart Meyers is a jackass of Massive proportions, and his school was gay. The experts on police sniping are LAPD swat. They set up an urban hide in 15 minutes that killed Stuarts. The guy on the line next to me had 3 kills, AS A CIVILIAN>>>> They shoot from a helicopter on tuesday...I asked "monthly".... They laughed at me and said "weekly".....

California Joe

02-26-2006, 11:38 AM

rofl CSI Miami.....Holy crap that's got to be one of the best siting of empirical evidence statements I've ever read on here.

Justin

02-26-2006, 12:34 PM

rofl CSI Miami.....Holy crap that's got to be one of the best siting of empirical evidence statements I've ever read on here.

I was kidding about that CSI Miami thing T_T
My proper evidence was given after.

Ok, so what if the competition was ****ty? If it was ****ty, then maybe, the Marines could have gotten first place in all the operation sceanrios...?I'm not saying the Marines are not good in any way. They do have one of the best sniper school in the world, respect to that. Obviously, from the results, the Marine Snipers excel in long distance shooting, which they would probably do so in the battlefield (i.e. Iraq, Afghanistan)

-Justin

California Joe

02-26-2006, 12:39 PM

AnniHilatoR

02-26-2006, 12:43 PM

Who the hell quotes CSI miami for their technical knowledge in a post.

Don't take it too seriously mog, I'm sure Justin knows better than to trust CSI Miami.

Russian Snipers use a crap weapon system with limited training. They employ a weapon that shoots a 2 moa group for god sakes. The optics are crap, and the ammo is junk.

I'd have to disagree with you here. Although Russian conscripts have bad equipment, Russian snipers - like the special forces - are given much better equipment. Take the V-94 anti-materiel sniper rifle, housed for the 12.7x108mm armour-piercing round. Or the new SVDK sniper rifle which uses the new 9.3x64mm cartridge, and has a POS 13 x 60 13-power telescopic sight.

And besides, if they did in fact have crap equipment and **** training, wouldn't that mean that they are very good at adapting and learning? I recently saw a documentary about Russian snipers in Chechnya, and from the looks of things, they are doing a pretty good job (despite their poo poo equipment and ****ty training that mog has cared to share with us.) As for the MOA of Russian rifles, I wouldn't know. I'm not an expert as some people pretend to be *cough*

Justin

02-26-2006, 12:45 PM

Kidding or not it was still funny. rofl

Proper evidence is all in the eye of the beholder. There are actually quite a few trained snipers on this board from a few different countries. Inter service rivalries aside they provide pretty good info, all people have to do is stop siting books they've read or guys they've heard about long enough to listen....

Yes, the point was to get people laughing.

Anyways, i agree. I just thought that I might give my point of view on the whole matter. Obviously mogsniper94 has an extensive knowledge on snipers and sniping, respect. (I think i pissed him off) lol...

California Joe

02-26-2006, 01:45 PM

jtv3062

02-26-2006, 01:50 PM

Justin

02-26-2006, 02:49 PM

See, I don't know how long you lurked before posting, but judging by the number of "experts" that tend to come out of the woodwork on these kinds of threads it was entirely plausible that someone would actually quote CSI Miami as a source around here. :)

I was kidding about CSI Miami!!! LOL!!!:oops: :oops: I just remembered it from the episode about that ex-Marine sniper killing these 3 people from a roof top... And the main character who knows everything, like got it in seconds. XD

maw

02-26-2006, 03:40 PM

jtv3062 - here's a rule: don't shoot down a suggestion without coming up with an alternative.

i'm not high speed but i do some precision shooting here in nc (300, 600 and 1,000). i personally didn't learn anything worth talking about from plasters' book, but i feel it's a good first step for someone. another alternative is to go on snipershide and read through the thread archives. once, you've done alll that, get a rig and shoot it, after that save some coin grab your rig and attend chandler sniper 1 & 2 at blackwater.

mirror - the nsw book is outdated and spends more time on how to pack your war bag and sea bag then on rangefinding, reading the wind, camo, stalking etc. at least flick through the plaster book. it would be helpful if you could be more specific regarding what you are looking for.

mogsniper94 - i agree with what you've said (especially the part about the merits of scout sniper school). having said that, nsw sniper training has come a long way (pm me if you wanna know), however not all team schools are equal to others. i was told its a budget thing and some teams have different operational priorities.

no go on ol Johnny plasters book. US Marines zero there scopes at 800 meters. Marines have 10x power scopes so its a handicap at close ranges the police and other militarys may use variable scopes which help at the close up shots

AlexNenadic

02-26-2006, 04:15 PM

I recently saw a documentary about Russian snipers in Chechnya, and from the looks of things, they are doing a pretty good job

You must be referring to the documentary posted on this forum a few weeks ago? If anything, it shows a very low level of competence on their part. I am sure they are brave and all that, but they don't seem to have the basics of marksmanship down.

jtv3062

02-26-2006, 04:20 PM

I just felt that others already gave good alternatives. John was not a military sniper. it is good good strating point to get into military sniping heres a few links http://www.snipercentral.com/ http://snipersparadise.com/sniperchat/index.php? http://www.snipercountry.com/training.html

mogsniper94

02-26-2006, 05:03 PM

no go on ol Johnny plasters book. US Marines zero there scopes at 800 meters. Marines have 10x power scopes so its a handicap at close ranges the police and other militarys may use variable scopes which help at the close up shots

Since when do we zero at 800 meters....? Its a cammed BDC scope. zero it at 300 and just put the dope on from there. A scope with a bullet drop compensator if far superior for field sniping. Ever try to count 50 clicks in the dark under stress??? I dint think so ... But i listened to my buddy do it often enough. It was hard to hear over his cursing.

AS far as variables go...who needs them...??? They have a tendency to break alot more often than fixed power(common sense). IF some other military sniper is taking 200yard shots he will be dead soon.

Why in the world would i want to take close range shots??? Let the bucket head hit those with their ACOGS... When u operate in a combat envirionment you shouldnt be firing at targets under 300 yards!! If u do , just ask for the return fire to be hot heavy and within the effective range of your enemys weapons. You mite get the occasional chip shot, but you don't want to make it a habit.

AND I was hoping that CSI thing was a joke.
ANYMORE TALK OF MY BELOVED CORPS IN ANY MANOR OTHER THEN RESPECTFUL REVERENCE WILL BE DELT WITH BY ME ESTABLISHING A HIDE SITE IN YOUR MOMS PANTS.:)

jtv3062

02-26-2006, 05:09 PM

I was talking about those sniper comps they have stages where they shoot up close and thats where the police snipers shine. in one report thats where the marines took a beating cause of the ten power scopes. and the 800 meter thing I took right out of Johns book so see what I mean. the 3062 is my plt no at MCRDSD 1990.

Midav

02-26-2006, 05:10 PM

SEALS suck at sniping. In Mogadishu they took 100 shots at the port, and hit dick(they blamed high winds). They got pulled out and snipers from 1st Force went in there, and 1 MARINE got 22 kills in an afternoon.

Somalia

John Fuger Somalia U.S.M.C 6

Cory Smith Somalia U.S.M.C 6

Stephen Tyson Somalia U.S.M.C 6

Chase Hamilton Somalia U.S.M.C 5

Patrick McFadden Grenada
Somalia U.S.M.C 3/3

Eldon Noble Somalia U.S.M.C 3

David E. Galloway Somalia U.S.M.C 3

Chris Mark Somalia U.S.M.C 2

Julio A. Garcia Somalia U.S.M.C 1

Bill Cook Somalia U.S.M.C 1*

John Henry Davis III Somalia U.S. Army 0

Gary I. Gordon Somalia U.S. Army ?

Randall D. Shughart Somalia U.S. Army ?

* denotes unconfirmed kills (F) denotes Female sniper

http://www.snipercentral.com/snipers.htm#SOMALIA

mogsniper94

02-26-2006, 05:27 PM

I wish I had time to shoot a competition...

For sniper country u have to submit your info. They aint out looking for it.... Id give ya the name but then..id have ta kill yaaaa. ITs missing alot of names believe me.

Cops are poor snipers believe me. They need a warm cop car within 200 feet or else its a violation of union bylaws. They don't think like warriors they are cops. I showed up for my first call-out with a ground mat. I was uniformly laughed at as the "soft Former Jarhead".. The callout went for over 24 hours and the temp dropped below freezing. I was snuggleduggly warm. PPPPPP.

P prior
P planning
P prevents
P piss
p poor
p performance

Who does god have a hard on for...? OH that right...MARINES..
Its sunday im bored sorry if im being over the top. I just hate those dumb Sniper comps.. All the best snipers are on deployment and some slub from Vegas gets a trophy.

Midav

02-26-2006, 05:37 PM

Ok. Understand, this is the first I have heard anything about 22 kills in one afternoon or even about Seal's missing their targets on every shot.

I am NOT saying you are lying or incorrect, because I could very well be.

But, until evidence is shown, I will just take what you posted with a grain of salt...

mogsniper94

02-26-2006, 08:34 PM

Did u see my post about 4 who flunked first Marine Division school?? 1 for cheating.. It is the truth.. The guy who got 22 kills spotter is my new partner. No lie. Somalia was a shooting gallery. The seals are not the gods gift.. The kill house on Pendleton, if you miss the target you have to circle the shothole in the wall and put name and unit.. It is covered with seal names.
We MArines have one claim to fame..Shooting skills.

You got get out and see the stuff to believe it. Im sure they hit a few. They didt have a great history in sniping.. For god sakes they used a Blind box mcmillian stock and and a B&L tactical....not the best combo.

U Fire me scenarios ill give u stories. Did u see the video that got SEALS banned from guarding HAmid Kharzi??? The one where the seal sprays the crowd of innocent bystanders...

Im sorry I support all our warriors but they cancelled training for a photo shoot 1 time.

Midav

02-26-2006, 08:41 PM

mogsniper94

02-26-2006, 08:54 PM

I ll do u one better .... Why attack across an open airfield to take out Noriegas plane when 2 shots from a sniper rifle would have disabled it. Lotta Seals lost their lives on that op.

Here is a pic of us firing in Somalia... Do u see any blowing sand???? The winds were really good for shooting. This pic is near the ocean about in a similar location to the port. (sexy guy on right has a very big cock by the way, and all the ladies love him)

I guess I will be the SEAL slammer, and say they had a very rocky intro into the world of sniping. I will be going for a visit and will post some pics...extreme persec, and opseced but i will convince u they had it rough in the beginning.

Midav

02-26-2006, 09:11 PM

I thought I made it easy.. I don't care about a Seal vs Marine pissing contest. They are both on the same side and neither one I'd want to **** with. As simple as an explanation as it gets.

What I am saying is: I have never heard of an op in Somalia where Seal's missed 100 of 100 shots. I also never heard of a marine sniper, hell, any sniper for that matter, getting 22 shots in one afternoon in Somalia.

After 13 years, I wonder why it's classified to post tallies when the pentagon is literally posting up to date tallies of snipers in Iraq/Afghanistan with much higher kills...

If it's true, shame on the Seal's, hell shame on ANY American unit for missing 100 of 100 shots and damn good for any American bagging 22 guys in one afternoon!

However, this is the first time I have heard of either. I don't care about pissing contests on who is better. I am only saying this is the first time I have heard of that happening and have seen no evidence to support it but some guy on the net telling me it's true. I have not denied it, but would like to see evidence.

I have heard stories that more than 30 Americans were killed in the battle of Mogadishu... It is possible it may have happened, but same deal, first time I heard of it and would like to see the evidence.

California Joe

02-26-2006, 09:23 PM

Matchanu was there, I'm sure he might have an opinion. p-)

mogsniper94

02-26-2006, 09:25 PM

When I was in Somalia I got an article mailed to me... It said no Americans are in Somalia. Before i went there i thought i knew alot. I returned with the realization that more goes on in this world that we can ever imagine. We got flown into the MOG in a russian bird!!!!Just so nobody saw an American plane going in there.

I got drill this week, ill talk to recon rick again and pm u the details if u wish! The guy tell the story every day because he was begging to get on the gun, and the sniper wouldnt let him. I think that keeps him up at night. hahahaha Im sure they didnt miss 100 in a row, but they got pulled out and Recon Co took it over.

By the way our kn 250 simrad was the ****. Thanks to the Swedes for that.

Midav

02-26-2006, 09:25 PM

Matchanu was there, I'm sure he might have an opinion. p-)

I was thinking the same thing. ;)

Mirror

02-27-2006, 07:16 AM

That is a bold statement to make...

Sorry it's a bad habit of mine:oops:

Mirror

Baboonass

02-27-2006, 03:39 PM

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Oh brother.

Okie dokie hotshot, were and when were you in country?

Your entire ditribe is BS, I highly suspect you are a poser.

Prove me wrong.

Baboonass

02-27-2006, 03:43 PM

What I am saying is: I have never heard of an op in Somalia where Seal's missed 100 of 100 shots. I also never heard of a marine sniper, hell, any sniper for that matter, getting 22 shots in one afternoon in Somalia.

If it's true, shame on the Seal's, hell shame on ANY American unit for missing 100 of 100 shots and damn good for any American bagging 22 guys in one afternoon!

Nope and nope.

No Marine got 22 kill in Mog. In fact, I believe the highest count was 6.

From Oct 93 to March of 94, there were only 2 Marine kills. One clean, one not so clean.

I have stated before about airing dirty laundry, so I won't do it. Let's just stick to the facts.

Baboonass

02-27-2006, 03:44 PM

They used to send SEALS to Marine Sniper school but they washed out too much. My buddy went to First Mar div school, and 4 out of 4 seals failed.ONE was dropped for cheating.. NONE of them made it to stalking.

LOL.

Wrong.

Baboonass

02-27-2006, 03:52 PM

Listen to me kids....buy the Seal book if u want. BUT its a reprint of the Marine Manual. SEALS suck at sniping.

I beg to differ.

In Mogadishu they took 100 shots at the port, and hit dick(they blamed high winds).

Nope.

They got pulled out and snipers from 1st Force went in there, and 1 MARINE got 22 kills in an afternoon.

LOL, Nope.

Wrong on two levals.

Ask yourself this...if u have to stay current in water ops, sub ops, air ops, black ops,and greens and fulfill deployment requirements how good are u at any of those. Do u have time to shoot better than a MArine, whos sole job is to kill with a bolt action rifle? ahhhhh no. A Seal told me that.

LOL, Nope.

HAve attached scan of data book 1000y line 10 for 10. Seals wouldnt know about that since they never make it to qual day. They have their own school now that they made easier so they can pass.

Ha ha ha ha ha.

Oh brother, you are just full of yourself, arn't you?

Our SS school is a month longer than yours. We periodically send team guys to the Marine SS school. Most of them will get honor man.

Marine SS school is a great school, but still doesn't cover many aspects of SEAL sniping we need to cover in our basic course.

In any case, send me your claim, class number, dates, etc.. and I have them verified.

ibstolidude

02-27-2006, 04:18 PM

Baboonass

02-27-2006, 04:24 PM

You really sound like an ass.

LOL, Proffessionalism at it's finest.

Meh, someone will be along in short time to deal with our "hero".

It's the Marine side, I'll just deal with the obvious SEAL related crap.

B 2/75

02-27-2006, 05:21 PM

LOL, Proffessionalism at it's finest.

Meh, someone will be along in short time to deal with our "hero".

It's the Marine side, I'll just deal with the obvious SEAL related crap.

I'm new here, but will make my first post as one which calls this POS just what he is... a poser. I'm not a Marine, but have been an Army sniper, and this dude's full of ****. No doubt about it.

-- All The Way --
Ranger Class 9-80

Argyll

02-27-2006, 06:16 PM

Welcome B 2/75.........any friend of Matchanu's is welcome here,I'll sit back and watch Mogsniper94 dissapear up his own arse!!

B 2/75

02-27-2006, 07:27 PM

(sic)Mogsniper... there are several folks patiently awaiting your posting of some details as to your exploits... verifiable names/units/dates/locations. Don't say that it is classified/need to know... that would be bullshirt and further verify your status as a liar. If you are indeed a real deal, albeit one who talks smack, I'll apologize straight away. But yer beeing called out. Fess up, or go away.

ibstolidude

02-27-2006, 08:05 PM

As Argyll said, B 2/75 Welcome to the boards. I hope you will post from time to time, your experience will be apprecaited.

If you are indeed a real deal, albeit one who talks smack, I'll apologize straight away.

I have to say that I won't apologize for my comment, but that doesn't mean they can never be forgotten or forgiven. I just don't find it all that appropriate to make such generic comments (especially in such a degrading manner) about SEAL's and po-po snipers in the manner done above.

California Joe

02-27-2006, 08:29 PM

How to make friends and influence people 101.

B 2/75

02-27-2006, 09:58 PM

I have to say that I won't apologize for my comment, but that doesn't mean they can never be forgotten or forgiven. I just don't find it all that appropriate to make such generic comments (especially in such a degrading manner) about SEAL's and po-po snipers in the manner done above.

I won't apologize for my comments either... I stand by them. I'll apologize to a poster I've called out if and when I'm proven to be incorrect. There's a difference.

With regard to making generic statements about SEALs and poo pooing snipers, I'll do it too...

SEALS party pretty good, especially when they've been rocking the house down all afternoon getting ready for their big party that night.
SEALS don't know squat about safely arc welding when they've got HE rockets attached to their HUMMER. I have pictures for proof.
Rangers from 1/75 can't shoot for sh*t. I know a Grenada Raider who'll take me to task on that one, as he was a sniper too, but this one is more like an inner-service rivalry thing. Can't hit the side of a fookin barn, they can't. Is that degrading enough for my brothers? p-)

Ngati Tumatauenga

02-27-2006, 10:01 PM

In Mogadishu they took 100 shots at the port, and hit dick(they blamed high winds). They got pulled out and snipers from 1st Force went in there, and 1 MARINE got 22 kills in an afternoon.

That right?

When was that exactly because I spent some considerable time in and around that port during the first few months of '94 and the only USMC sniper kill's I heard/saw was a teenager carrying a box of books and a Somali truck driver killed with a 50. about 100m out from the western gate in the middle of the chicanes.

If 22 Somali's had been killed in one day around Port Mogadishu during that time period then I would have heard it. Literally.

California Joe

02-27-2006, 10:04 PM

Took you long enough to show up you bloody slacker.

Ngati Tumatauenga

02-27-2006, 10:13 PM

I know. I always miss the good ones.:-(

Still, its facinating watching a new guy mouth off about something someone on this site has firsthand knowledge/experience in.

Like watching a lemming scampering towards the cliff edge...

EDIT: 1000 posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ibstolidude

02-27-2006, 10:36 PM

I won't apologize for my comments either... I stand by them. I'll apologize to a poster I've called out if and when I'm proven to be incorrect. There's a difference. That I can understand.

But you did throw me w/"poo pooing snipers," until I reread my own illiterate ramblings. Po-po (as in poe-poe) is a term someone called a cop I know, since then I use it when around cop friends to refer to them. Unfortunately I am not smart enough understand what an "inside joke" is.

"Poo-pooing snipers" is atleast funnier and better suits this thread.

Midav

02-27-2006, 10:37 PM

Ngati Tumatauenga

02-27-2006, 10:43 PM

Hell, as good as any reason to have beer. p-)

Any excuse will do. p-)

jtv3062

02-27-2006, 10:47 PM

a group of people from the hood call the police po-po. you know like bling bling.

ibstolidude

02-27-2006, 10:49 PM

Any excuse will do. p-)
For a NZ'er, I thought waking up in the morning is a good enough excuse! Don't try and fool anyone!!

California Joe

02-27-2006, 10:50 PM

Stoli is on pot.

Ngati Tumatauenga

02-27-2006, 10:53 PM

For a NZ'er, I thought waking up in the morning is a good enough excuse! Don't try and fool anyone!!

I gotta start training for ANZAC day. I'm not nearly as piss fit as I should be.

Midav

02-27-2006, 10:53 PM

a group of people from the hood call the police po-po. you know like bling bling.

here's ya some popo--zao (http://www.thatvideosite.com/view/1557.html)

...man do i hate to regurgitate beer

Seraphim

02-28-2006, 12:57 AM

Well this thread sure got a whole lot interesting. But what do you expect from a thread like this.

Justin

02-28-2006, 03:26 AM

I thought he was a poser, lol...(referring to mogsniper94)
I really want to see what he has to say now, being incessantly 'murdered' by these vets. woot

-Justin

moughoun

02-28-2006, 03:50 AM

Have had a feeling this guy was a tosser, for a while

BTW welcome aboard B2/75, great to have guy's like your self and Match here, makes the place more interesting

AnniHilatoR

02-28-2006, 03:51 AM

Haha, poor mog. I questioned the validity of his posts as being pretty much bullshít.

P.S. Welcome B 2/75. I look forward to hearing the stories and info you have to tell.

Wheke C9

02-28-2006, 05:38 AM

I gotta start training for ANZAC day. I'm not nearly as piss fit as I should be.

Oh Jesus, I have to train, too.

mogsniper94

02-28-2006, 08:46 AM

Well looks like I missed the pissing contest while at work.. I ll be at drill talking to the guys spotter TODAY.
I'LL POST LATER.

OH wait classs date..Quantico 1-94 My partner was the Seal JG(Scottish last name, fluent in russian) . U should be able to figure the rest out. Give him a call I think he is still in...SDV unit . As for me Somalia FALL OF 94..Fast 2.

As far as Force taking your spot on the port ill get it from the horse's mouth today like i posted above.

B 2/75

02-28-2006, 09:10 AM

You know, you're quite immature.

Too much so to have been a sniper.

I can believe that you were a grunt who wanted to be something when he grew up, but failed in the application...

Baboonass

02-28-2006, 09:19 AM

That right?

When was that exactly because I spent some considerable time in and around that port during the first few months of '94 and the only USMC sniper kill's I heard/saw was a teenager carrying a box of books and a Somali truck driver killed with a 50. about 100m out from the western gate in the middle of the chicanes.

If 22 Somali's had been killed in one day around Port Mogadishu during that time period then I would have heard it. Literally.

We probably ran into each other at some point as we were in country at the same time.

I drank with the Kiwi's in their beach front bar near the airport. That bar kicked serious ass. Almost got some from this big boobied Army chick.

We did our sniping at SP-1. We did some protection work in the port area, but no shots were fired in that area durring that time frame.

Argyll

02-28-2006, 09:33 AM

Oh this is gonna be good shyt!!.......

dacanadianbomb

02-28-2006, 09:36 AM

Sorry to to intrude, but why is almost every story accompanied by a story of a good looking woman ?
Vagabonds all of ya :-)

Its happened here time and time again,make sure you have your stuff down pat before you go off saying something really really stupid.And even if you are the real deal,doesnt mean you wont regret those comments.
All I say is Shrek and the SEAL comment fiasco a year ago.

Justin

02-28-2006, 09:38 AM

Man, i miss Shrek... He was a great contributor to the forum for a long time.

Ranger5280

02-28-2006, 11:36 AM

Mogsnipe...You're a fooking idiot. I'm betting you're not a poser. Just a liar.

A little humility goes a long way assclown.

Have a wonderful day

dacanadianbomb

02-28-2006, 11:46 AM

Argyll

02-28-2006, 11:55 AM

I think he's already been D,have a look under Marine's forum ;)

Baboonass

02-28-2006, 11:59 AM

Mogsniper, I would suggest you go over to Socnet, you will have more than enough experienced people over there who will be able to assist in resolving the dispute about your creds and statements. You might even encounter some people you were standing next to while you were over there.

I am not implying mp.net isnt worthy enough of the encounter, I just think you might get better treatment @ Socnet.

It seems SOCNET is comming over here.

There are a few issues beyond this that need to be resolved. Wheels are already in motion.

The spec ops community is very small, about 1 or 2 degrees of seperation. If I don't know someone, I know someone that does. If you want to be an assclown and talk smack about other services, be well prepared for what comes next and to back it up. If you are going to pull a bunch of BS from your butt, be preparded to answer for it.

I ain't asking for anything, as I'm not expecting anything. I will, however, address some of the statements brought forth about events and issues I know of first hand either by personal experience, or close relationships with those that have.

Stand by.

dacanadianbomb

02-28-2006, 01:00 PM

It seems SOCNET is comming over here.

There are a few issues beyond this that need to be resolved. Wheels are already in motion.

The spec ops community is very small, about 1 or 2 degrees of seperation. If I don't know someone, I know someone that does. If you want to be an assclown and talk smack about other services, be well prepared for what comes next and to back it up. If you are going to pull a bunch of BS from your butt, be preparded to answer for it.

I ain't asking for anything, as I'm not expecting anything. I will, however, address some of the statements brought forth about events and issues I know of first hand either by personal experience, or close relationships with those that have.

Stand by.

Dont get me wrong,No complaints here.I appreciate more BTDT members beeing here,the more experience here the better, for the no-experienced like myself.

Ravage

02-28-2006, 01:38 PM

SEALs bas snipers huh...........WRONG ! ! !

Does anyone remember operation "Urgent Fury".
SEAL Team SIX was dispatched to the residence of govener Scoon (I think that is how you write it), to ferry him out of the island.
The Night Stalkers got under fire, and the SEAL platoon had to fast rope down.
They took position in the goveners bulding. The platoon had two snipers, one had over 20 kills through the night.
Now, that alone is an excellent proof of how effective SEAL snipers are.

Matchanu, don't worry about this <****>, mog is obviously missinformed ;)

P.S. Welcome B 2/75. And over, and over and over again Welcome B 2/75. ;) :D

HooyahCQB

02-28-2006, 01:46 PM

This guy sounds like obd, but talking **** about units rather than politics.

Ngati Tumatauenga

02-28-2006, 02:14 PM

We probably ran into each other at some point as we were in country at the same time.

I drank with the Kiwi's in their beach front bar near the airport. That bar kicked serious ass. Almost got some from this big boobied Army chick.

We did our sniping at SP-1. We did some protection work in the port area, but no shots were fired in that area durring that time frame.

Yep. Good old Taniwha Hill.

If I remember rightly it would have been around March. We started off with a beach party and a couple of RIB loads of you guys turned up from the Amphibs offshore. We then retired to the hill and proceeded to drink each other into the ground.
I remember going shot for shot with your Master Chief over a bottle of Indian Army rum.

For the purposes of national pride I shall say the outcome was a draw...p-)

Damn, that was a good night.

Baboonass

02-28-2006, 03:17 PM

Yep. Good old Taniwha Hill.

If I remember rightly it would have been around March. We started off with a beach party and a couple of RIB loads of you guys turned up from the Amphibs offshore. We then retired to the hill and proceeded to drink each other into the ground.
I remember going shot for shot with your Master Chief over a bottle of Indian Army rum.

For the purposes of national pride I shall say the outcome was a draw...p-)

Damn, that was a good night.

I was there a bit earlier. We left country around March.

We were doing lifeguard duty for the offloading Marines on the beach and attempted to redevou with the ship. The ship got tasked with something else so we were left on the beach overnight. All I was wearing was a t-shirt, short, and dive booties. Not that it got that cold out there but just enough. (learnd a valuable lesson that night about being prepared for an overnight stay).

We all had not had much to drink in a long time, (4 months of continuous boxes, ground hogs day). The Kiwi beer is a bit more "potent" than U.S. beer, we all got pissed.

Kiwis are good folk, we had a great time that night.

MEGR

02-28-2006, 06:01 PM

This thread made my day. Thanks guys.

mogsniper94

02-28-2006, 06:03 PM

Chuckie

02-28-2006, 06:14 PM

I'm gonna get some popcorn for this..

Laworkerbee

02-28-2006, 06:24 PM

I'm gonna get some popcorn for this..

Ok but don't put any damned butter on it, I'll grab a couple of Newcastles...

California Joe

02-28-2006, 06:31 PM

Argyll

02-28-2006, 06:35 PM

Argyll

02-28-2006, 06:37 PM

From what I understand 1st Force was never there. Maybe the spotter is full of sh*t. I dunno. A short dude with tattoos made me think of TriggerPuller. rofl

Marines get mad respect around here actually, they just don't usually slam the crap out of other units.

Cali Joe,
I believe TP was around then too,and it describes him to a tee!.....the plot thickens,and TP was Force Recon too

mogsniper94

02-28-2006, 06:48 PM

He sat next to me all day in the gunnys office . He is going to the Advanced Sniper course next month. Ill get his SRB and look at page 3. But I ve served in 2 reserve units with him, and he is the real deal. Tommorrow night i will get him to post..

He aint claiming he shot anyone.. He is 100% adamant in his words.. He is was the spotter. I have to drive to FT Drum with him tommorrow and i will get the entire story..

The idiot that says he never heard of MArines shooting anyone was just being ignorant. I went to sniperschool and Carlos Hathcock was the best. A few years later I learn about CHuck MAHWHINNEY. Hmm I guess some of these dudes arent putting i killed 22 people on their resumes. I wonder why.....daaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh.

An SF sniper was credited with over 40 in one day, in fact 1 night engagement. A-stan..

As far as the for the little annoying strap hangers on this board.. go see a recruiter or do something usefull like.....choke urself.

I wasn't in Somalia either at least that is what America thought.. I will get home and post a pic of me in a RUSSIAN bird in us cammies being flown to Mogadishu.. Im sure the American looking dudes we left all our extra ammo too when we got pulled out we not there either.. hahahah

IF seals where there Recon was too...its part of the MEU package.

California Joe

02-28-2006, 06:56 PM

How did Gunny Hathcock get involved in this?

And Match is the real deal and he was there. We know this.

But Argyll, TP can shoot. Or at least I figured he could, given his current vocation. :)

mogsniper94

02-28-2006, 07:01 PM

Matchanu doesn't need verification,he already has that,you sir,on the other hand have ruffled a lot of feathers with your claims,and non of which can be verified not even by SOCNET members,they're calling you out dude, and I'm not interfering with the shytfest you've brought upon yourself

And im worried why???? since i dont do socnet or whatever....... u tell one of your seal buddies who is at Dam Neck to pm me and i will see him next week.

If u look at my post that got u guys rustled up, its my partners story at drill . Why would he lie. He took no glory for himself. I gave my school dates get to work if u think im not an 8541. Anyone who wants to talk to me can look up A co. 1st AT batt. ROch NY 4th mardiv.. ask for the I and I Gunny P.....

Id love to post more but i gotta work so tune in later...for more harrowing action.

godfather

02-28-2006, 07:08 PM

Well one thing is for sure, 1st force was in somalia.

Mog, you and I apparently know some of the same people. Brian K was in your fast co? You have a pic of him in your CQB training photo. So were you a DM in somalia, or a 8541?

Not that you should take my word for it (although pulling Brian's name out my ass from one of your pics might lend some weight to me being a Marine) but I saw Match in somalia, he is the deal.

Crna Legija

02-28-2006, 07:25 PM

All I was wearing was a t-shirt, short, and dive booties. Not that it got that cold out there but just enough. (learnd a valuable lesson that night about being prepared for an overnight stay).

Mr M.

This might seem like a wimpy question, but are there are ways a person can acclimatise themselves for cold weather especially if they have lived in a temperate area all their life? I struggle through winter with colds, flu’s and what not yet Summer is no problem.

Ngati Tumatauenga

02-28-2006, 08:44 PM

I fun reading how much fun u guys had drinking in Somalia. We never had time for any of that.

Suck's to be you then, doesn't it...

B 2/75

02-28-2006, 11:14 PM

Suck's to be you then, doesn't it...

Really.

What a fookin tool...

catalyst

03-01-2006, 12:19 AM

So wahts the deal? Is this story verified at all?

Ngati Tumatauenga

03-01-2006, 04:59 AM

Really.

What a fookin tool...

Is that comment directed at me or him?

Chops

03-01-2006, 06:01 AM

Nah you're a fooken Kiwi tool me bro... ;-)

Argyll

03-01-2006, 06:31 AM

priceless!!........rofl

Mirror

03-01-2006, 06:36 AM

Where is the respect for your fellow 'brothers in arms' Mogsniper? :roll:

Baboonass

03-01-2006, 09:40 AM

MArine sniper initials D.s. (22 kills)..... 1st force....

Just from his spotters mouth today I grilled him. ....U want his number seal dude?? Don't kill the messenger he specifically stated the short dude with alot of TATOOS from 5th couldnt hit the broad side of a barn.

It seams strange we can acept a seal hitting 20 in an evening but everybody got flabbergasted when i said a Marine did?

Hey if u are in Dam Neck next week ill be more than happy to see u there. Hey provide me your creds ill check u out since pretending to be a SEAL is a national sport. I fun reading how much fun u guys had drinking in Somalia. We never had time for any of that.

LOL. okay, one thing at a time.

The short guy with the tattoos is a good friend of mine. He was in the ARG "A" from ST-5 after our deployment. As far him not hitting anything, that is fooking funny. The engagmetns he made that week are well known through out the SEAL community. Unlike most other units, NSW doesn't keep "confirmed kill" head counts. It's seriously silly as I see it, who gives a rats ass? Ironically, there were no other Marines snipers at his possition durring this time, so your buddy is talking out of this ass, but we all already knew that. Sure, send me his number, I'll get him in contact with the "SEAL who couln't hit the broad side of a barn", I'm certain that conversation would be amusing.

Why would I be in Dam Neck, for that matter, why would you be?

Drinking is Somolia, yup, but we get all the cool deals because...well, we are so cool.

My creds? Unless you have access to the data base, it won't do you much good. You in NY? I can send someone who will verify my creds.

Baboonass

03-01-2006, 09:47 AM

He sat next to me all day in the gunnys office . He is going to the Advanced Sniper course next month. Ill get his SRB and look at page 3. But I ve served in 2 reserve units with him, and he is the real deal. Tommorrow night i will get him to post..

Please do, I will very much like to hear it from his mouth.

He aint claiming he shot anyone.. He is 100% adamant in his words.. He is was the spotter. I have to drive to FT Drum with him tommorrow and i will get the entire story..

Make certain you ask him about the skinny who ended up drowning in the ocean. If he was there, he'll be able to tell you all about it.

I wasn't in Somalia either at least that is what America thought.. I will get home and post a pic of me in a RUSSIAN bird in us cammies being flown to Mogadishu.. Im sure the American looking dudes we left all our extra ammo too when we got pulled out we not there either.. hahahah

This is about the dumbest thing you have said. The U.S. being there in 94 was well known and not clandestine or covert. FAST is neither a clandestine or covert unit.

IF seals where there Recon was too...its part of the MEU package.

No entirely true. 1st force, (my deployment) never left the ship or occupied the strong points. It was a SOCOM mission and they weren't on the menu. Great guys and we very much enjoyed working with them. Would have love to have worked with them in country, it wasn't to be.

Baboonass

03-01-2006, 09:53 AM

Mr M.

This might seem like a wimpy question, but are there are ways a person can acclimatise themselves for cold weather especially if they have lived in a temperate area all their life? I struggle through winter with colds, flu’s and what not yet Summer is no problem.

If you are acclimated to the cold, then it just doesn't bother you as much. The fact is, we spent the majority of time on the ship. It was hot, very hot. Sleeping was near impossible. I used to hose off in the shower and jump in the rack soaking wet with the fans on just to get a little shill so I could wrap up and sleep. It wouldn't last long and I'd be sweating again.

In country, it would be hot, (Africa hot) durring the day but the night was cool ocean breezes. Not freezing, but just cold enough, especially if you don't have anything to wrap up in.

Baboonass

03-01-2006, 10:07 AM

Pics deleted at posters request.

Justin

03-01-2006, 10:18 AM

Wow, amazing pictures!!! More!!!

Looks horribly hot there!

-Justin

godfather

03-01-2006, 10:22 AM

No entirely true. 1st force, (my deployment) never left the ship or occupied the strong points. It was a SOCOM mission and they weren't on the menu. Great guys and we very much enjoyed working with them. Would have love to have worked with them in country, it wasn't to be.

Not entirely true, Force did leave the ship they just must not have worked with you guys. I don't know to what extent they worked but we did some cool training with them at the prison south of Mog. Did they also get the call to pull some guys out of a Hummer down town that had flipped? I remember some sailors with the jaws of life flying off the New Orleans but I don't know who provided their security, I thought it was the Force bubbas. You remember anything like that? Its been so long my memory is fading :)

Baboonass

03-01-2006, 10:28 AM

Not entirely true, Force did leave the ship they just must not have worked with you guys. I don't know to what extent they worked but we did some cool training with them at the prison south of Mog. Did they also get the call to pull some guys out of a Hummer down town that had flipped? I remember some sailors with the jaws of life flying off the New Orleans but I don't know who provided their security, I thought it was the Force bubbas. You remember anything like that? Its been so long my memory is fading :)

Mine as well.

We did a lot of SOCOM and ARG related missions. I know they FR guys were bummed that they coudn't participate in the SOCOM missions. I was under the impression the never left the ship, but I could be wrong.

I forgot about the prison training, and you are right, ST-5 was working with them there. I wasn't with that group at the time.

Okay, I was wrong there, my bad.

godfather

03-01-2006, 10:33 AM

I would have been surprised if you knew where everyone was all the time, I know your good, but nobody is that good :)

Baboonass

03-01-2006, 10:53 AM

I would have been surprised if you knew where everyone was all the time, I know your good, but nobody is that good :)

LOL.

When I was abord, I spent a lot of late hours in the sail loft tattooing some of the crew and Marines.

Scheduals between FR and us were far removed, but we would run into each other from time to time and catch up.

We did the corrordinated ship take down trowd the end of the cruise, that was a riot.

godfather

03-01-2006, 11:01 AM

Baboonass

03-01-2006, 11:15 AM

The Comstock? I remember taking a ship on float (could have been during the work up) I think it was the only ship I ever took with a crew aboard. I don't think everyone got the "word" we were coming cuz there were some VERY surprised faces on that ship. I think I went to AS in that one. Anyway back to the point, I think this Mogsinper is full of *censored**censored**censored**censored* and when Easyrun gets here he should confirm that.

Yeh, the Comstock.

That was a fun takedown.

I already have one of MogSnipers former squadmates PMing me on SOCNET. If he is a real deal, and is still working, he has a lot to answer for and will be dealing with it soon enough.

I can't stress the importance of OPSEC and PERSEC enough. Be carefull of what you type on an open board, it could come back and bit you in the ass.

ed316

03-01-2006, 11:35 AM

Matchanu, whatever happened to Ranger Hobbs?

Baboonass

03-01-2006, 11:48 AM

Matchanu, whatever happened to Ranger Hobbs?

LOL,

There was some action taken that I know at his command. I don't really know if anyone else was involved or not.

Let's just say it has been "delt with".

CPTAUSRET

03-01-2006, 11:53 AM

My creds? Unless you have access to the data base, it won't do you much good. You in NY? I can send someone who will verify my creds.

I am new here, but anyone who frequents SOF boards probably knows me, or at least who I am. I see a lot of familiar profiles here, and I have known "Match", for awhile, I held his infant daughter in my arms a few years ago, we have been in each others homes, consumed a few cold ones, and swapped "war stories". I introduced Match to my wife, I wouldn't have done that if he wasn't exactly who he said he was...Do a search for Nancy Andreasen, Nancy is way too busy too waste her time meeting somone blowing smoke.

He is who, and what he says he is! I will vouch for his cred's! As stated previously you have had an influx of SOCNET BTDT's, to resolve what sounds mightily like a BS story. There a good many Marines, whom I also hold in high esteem who will be adding their .02 cents worth, then we will probably be able to put this one to bed.

I have worked with SEALs since 65-66 in VN, Na Be, Ca Mau, Sa Dec, Run Sat swamp, U Minh forrest, etc, etc. Every unit has their 10 percenters, but I never worked with any that I was aware of, all were good men.

This probably is not where my first post belongs, but I wanted to weigh in on this issue. I have a hard time with anyone who denegrates SEAL sniper training, there will be others who can address this directly.

Terry

California Joe

03-01-2006, 11:56 AM

Welcome CPTAUSRET-1.

CPTAUSRET

03-01-2006, 11:59 AM

Welcome CPTAUSRET-1.

California Joe:

Thanks for the welcome.

I need to lose the -1 off my username, not sure just how to do it.

Terry

Baboonass

03-01-2006, 12:21 PM

SEALS suck at sniping.

Seals wouldnt know about that since they never make it to qual day. They have their own school now that they made easier so they can pass.

BTW, here's me one point away from honor man at the MSPF Urban sniper COI in Oki.

3rd place was another SEAL.

I guess we can blame "high winds" on the rest of Marines in the course since we suck so much.

In all fairness, the SS Marines I have worked with have always been very proffessional. We all got along great and they were excellent shots. My point here is not to bash the Marines, only to make a point about our supposed "poor sniping skills". Marine snipers have a long and proud history which they all richly deserve.

Hopefully this doesn't come off the wrong way, not my intention.

Ezekiel25:17

03-01-2006, 12:22 PM

Kewl pics, Matchanu

California Joe

03-01-2006, 12:26 PM

Man, you have all the coolest hats.:)

Argyll

03-01-2006, 12:28 PM

I need to see flippers on them thar SEAL's.........p-)

Terry I'll see if I can sort your name,welcome to mp.net as well......this is gonna be fun!!.....p-)

CPTAUSRET

03-01-2006, 12:38 PM

I need to see flippers on them thar SEAL's.........p-)

Terry I'll see if I can sort your name,welcome to mp.net as well......this is gonna be fun!!.....p-)

Thanks, Argyll.

I appreciate your assistance, mate.

Terry

HooyahCQB

03-01-2006, 12:40 PM

That's a nice paint job on that McMillan! (I think)

Argyll

03-01-2006, 12:41 PM

Fixed..............now where's my beer....this is just getting interesting.

Matchanu ,damn I had you down as a Charlie Sheen Lookalike,or Michael Bhein.........I was way off..........:D

Wheke C9

03-01-2006, 12:42 PM

Hello, Mr. G. We know each other from PS and SOCNET. Good to have you here. :)

People, you must respect CAPTAUSRET. He's a bloody real deal.

Wheke, also known as Huey14.

Sdiver

03-01-2006, 12:44 PM

Man, you have all the coolest hats.:)

Well he IS a SEAL....and as we all know, for SEAL's it's ALL about the Fashion. rofl

Baboonass

03-01-2006, 12:45 PM

Fixed..............now where's my beer....this is just getting interesting.

Matchanu ,damn I had you down as a Charlie Sheen Lookalike,or Michael Bhein.........I was way off..........:D

LOL, no, that's me, Mr. Blurry face.

My wife thinks I'm a looker, good enough for me.

Baboonass

03-01-2006, 12:47 PM

That's a nice paint job on that McMillan! (I think)

McMillan, yes.

Paint job done by rattle can. Nothing special, thanks though.

California Joe

03-01-2006, 12:49 PM

You must be hot if she buys you cars dude. p-)

ibstolidude

03-01-2006, 12:51 PM

He is who, and what he says he is! I will vouch for his cred's! As stated previously you have had an influx of SOCNET BTDT's, to resolve what sounds mightily like a BS story. There a good many Marines, whom I also hold in high esteem who will be adding their .02 cents worth, then we will probably be able to put this one to bed.
....
Terry

Welcome aboard.

I am glad your log-in issue has been resolved. If this happens to others, then please don't hesitate to PM a mod. Board access currently requires mod approval.

I don't think anyone has questioned Matchanu's creds, except maybe mogsniper. If Matchanu was a poser then he'd be a shyte poser as he has never used his background to punk out others or glorify himself.

Baboonass

03-01-2006, 12:52 PM

You must be hot if she buys you cars dude. p-)

She's awsome, far too good for me. I just try and keep up.

Baboonass

03-01-2006, 12:58 PM

I don't think anyone has questioned Matchanu's creds, except maybe mogsniper. If Matchanu was a poser then he'd be a shyte poser as he has never used his background to punk out others or glorify himself.

LOL.

I don't mind being called out. I expect and welcome it. There are various ways to check someone's creds. SOCNET has quite a gauntlent for this. As long as there is good reason for an inquiry and the means of actually checking someone's creds, I'll send whatever info you need.

I'm not AD military anymore but I like to keep my identity on the downlow whenever possible. Force of habit I suppose, bad guys are everywere, and are watching sites like this.

CPTAUSRET

03-01-2006, 01:00 PM

Argyll

03-01-2006, 01:00 PM

bad guys are everywere, and are watching sites like this.

and are they in for a treat when this little doozy gets going!!.....;)

CPTAUSRET

03-01-2006, 01:00 PM

Hello, Mr. G. We know each other from PS and SOCNET. Good to have you here. :)

People, you must respect CAPTAUSRET. He's a bloody real deal.

Wheke, also known as Huey14.

Huey:

Thanks for the intro, glad to be here,

Terry

CPTAUSRET

03-01-2006, 01:03 PM

Welcome aboard.

I am glad your log-in issue has been resolved. If this happens to others, then please don't hesitate to PM a mod. Board access currently requires mod approval.

I don't think anyone has questioned Matchanu's creds, except maybe mogsniper. If Matchanu was a poser then he'd be a shyte poser as he has never used his background to punk out others or glorify himself.

That was primarily aimed at "mogsniper", but I never hesitate to give accolades to those who have earned them.

Terry

CPTAUSRET

03-01-2006, 01:04 PM

She's awsome, far too good for me. I just try and keep up.

CONCUR!

Far to good for Match, but as I always say...Marry up!:)

Terry

Ravage

03-01-2006, 01:07 PM

Matchanu is that You on those photos ? ;)

Oups, my mistake didn't read the entire post. Sorry about that ;)

Justin

03-01-2006, 01:19 PM

This thread is going to be so interesting. Mogsniper isn't replying as frequently as he used to. I already finished my 1.5l Coke on this single thread alone, lol!

Damn, Matchanu, these are some s3x3H pics, :P

HOLLiS

03-01-2006, 01:33 PM

I posted this over at SOCNET:

From my experiences the only Marines what talk Serious Smack about the other services, Not the fun rivalry stuff, are recent graduates from boot camp.

From my experience, All the services are imporant. Not just because they have better chow than our Corps but support for one another when it matters.

In RVN, Army Med-evacs and fire support saved a lot of Marine lives
USAF Air support saved alot of Marines lives
USN, Hummm Obviously the best MARINES come from them, the Bush Corpsman...to Naval fire support and Medical facilities

CPTAUSRET

03-01-2006, 01:48 PM

I spent 20 years active duty, I would have served longer, but it's difficult to argue with a 100% disability retirement.

I have seen bad outfits, but as it's a fluid situation, and the leadership rotates in and out, that same bad outfit may have become golden in a few months. In VN, and elsewhere I didn't care who I was providing CAS for, we all bleed the same color.

Everyone serves a purpose, regardless of branch, or specialty...If someone weren't supplying rockets, and minigun ammo, I could not have provided CAS for crap. Same goes for pay, and decent chow, if it doesn't happen, morale goes to sh*t.

Terry

Ezekiel25:17

03-01-2006, 01:52 PM

In agreement with HOLLIS. The only time a Marines really talks smack about another services is when he is fresh out of boot camp, lord knows I was one of them. Then you get to the fleet and realize that we are just a cog in a big machine and everyone is needed to make it run.

Luno

03-01-2006, 02:06 PM

Ohh I love those what services have best sniper thread :cantbeli: . we have allot of real snipers on this board here and sadly some wannabe snipers :|

Argyll

03-01-2006, 02:22 PM

I'd like to welcome the SOCNET guys to our place,and this thread will NOT have any interference from me,the guys are here to set a few points straight,there's nothing worse when somebody talks bollocks, and stains their service,whether it me,Army,Navy AirForce or Marines......so if things get a little heated, if you're not BTDT, then please stay out of the argument, this is between Mogsniper and the guys he chose to talk ill of,normally this should be done via PM's........but if someone is running their mouth, and stating falsehoods in an open forum, then it's Game on!!

Ezekiel25:17

03-01-2006, 02:23 PM

That's a solid copy Argyll.

Midav

03-01-2006, 06:29 PM

Welcome aboard SOCNET members! have fun with this guy... I'll just sit back, drink my beer and watch.

Blarney

03-01-2006, 09:55 PM

reading the SOCNET threads on this, wow mog, you have an entire thread about you on SOCNET, congradulations are in order.

CPTAUSRET

03-01-2006, 10:20 PM

reading the SOCNET threads on this, wow mog, you have an entire thread about you on SOCNET, congradulations are in order.

I didn't notice anything very positive about him in the thread you mention.

More like having your pic hanging in the postoffice.

Terry

Ranger5280

03-02-2006, 12:21 AM

Blarny...Being an ass and void of professionalism deserves no congratulations.But I'm guessing there was sarcasm in your comment.

California Joe

03-02-2006, 12:31 AM

Yup, pretty sure he was being sarcastic. Nobody wants one of those kinds of threads dedicated to them.....p-)

CPTAUSRET

03-02-2006, 12:35 AM

Blarny...Being an ass and void of professionalism deserves no congratulations.But I'm guessing there was sarcasm in your comment.

Ranger5280:

Welcome aboard.

I have been waiting to see if Blarney was being sarcastic. I believe the jury is still out.

Terry

jtv3062

03-02-2006, 12:36 AM

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CPTAUSRET

03-02-2006, 12:39 AM

Yup, pretty sure he was being sarcastic. Nobody wants one of those kinds of threads dedicated to them.....p-)

Didn't see your post, you obviously know him better than I.

Terry

remo williams

03-02-2006, 04:21 AM

welcome capt..

Catch22

03-02-2006, 08:07 AM

dacanadianbomb

03-02-2006, 08:45 AM

lol,
Your LPO , using a Trijicon when airsofters hadnt even heard of them yet.

Or at least it looks like a trijicon ACOG sight.
Although pics prolly dont include enough tacgear bling bling for airsofters.

Baboonass

03-02-2006, 09:16 AM

Sarcasm or no sarcasm, Blarney surely knows the uneasy feeling from his own experience... like on Lightfighter.net

Matchanu - I bet you just inspired a host of airsofters with those photos. Expect yourself to be cloned with countless "impressions" ;-)

LOL, that is why I stated I know I'm going to regret posting these pics.

Meh, no worries, that is a different world to me. Kind of like Star Trek convenetions I suppose.

Besides, who am I to judge?

Argyll

03-02-2006, 09:30 AM

and what the fcuk is wrong with Star Trek??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ensign Ro Laren, Belanna Torres, Seven of Nine........all hot babes!!

Baboonass

03-02-2006, 09:37 AM

and what the fcuk is wrong with Star Trek??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ensign Ro Laren, Belanna Torres, Seven of Nine........all hot babes!!

Nothing, nothing at all.....................nerd.

Macs.

03-02-2006, 09:43 AM

Rumors on the internets say that SEALs sleep with open eyes.

dacanadianbomb

03-02-2006, 09:46 AM

Its all about the babes for Argyll.
As a AT instructor he was all about sticking rockets to things.

SgtUSMC8541

03-02-2006, 09:46 AM

Looks like mog has decided to move back to his ORP. Good. He was giving us a bad rep.

Mirror

03-02-2006, 10:06 AM

Much have changed the past several days. I can see we have some new members here. Gentlemen, welcome :) !

I'm pretty sure you'll share your part in some interresting and intellectual communication.

Enjoy your 'stay' at militaryphotos.net and have fun.

Jonathan

Baboonass

03-02-2006, 10:20 AM

In truth, I avoid most of the threads on this site. There is simply too much to wade through. I have a hard enough time keeping the political buffoonery to a minimum on SOCNET. It's a full time fight, I don't enjoy it, and it permeates this site.

No biggie, I just type in "SEAL" or "Matchanu" on the search function and deal with whatever issues come up.

What I like about this site is the vast cross section of international members and the intel....errr, pictures and stuff from their respective military units.

I'll contribute on issues and details that I can and were it is nessesary, (like this thread). I'm sure the other SOCNET members will do the same.

Thanks for the welcome guys, a little goes a long way.

dacanadianbomb

03-02-2006, 10:34 AM

"and the intel....errr, pictures"
Lol so true.
It didnt actually used to be this way,and there has been some cleaning in the last while as well.When I joined up , there was a plethora of info for a NBTNDT like myself.
A higher signal to noise ratio than there is currently.
The future will tell, it'll take a while.
It is getting better, one BTDT ata time.

Sdiver

03-02-2006, 11:29 AM

Looks like mog has decided to move back to his ORP. Good. He was giving us a bad rep.

They'll let anyone on this thread won't they ???

It was finally getting some class with Capt. Terry, Polar Bear, and Ranger5280 loggin on....but now, it's gone waaaaaaaaaaaaay down the toilet. :cantbeli:

So if you're here, Tony should be along soon. :)

HOLLiS

03-02-2006, 12:41 PM

Rumors on the internets say that SEALs sleep with open eyes.

I think that is Chuck Norris, he only has two modes. Wait and Kill. He never sleeps.

HOLLiS

03-02-2006, 12:47 PM

I like about this site is the vast cross section of international members and the intel....errr, pictures

Yep, It is great to have lots guys who never had a date or can never get a date. They sure have nice pics......... Opps Intel on Women.

mogsniper94

03-02-2006, 12:48 PM

AnniHilatoR

03-02-2006, 01:19 PM

Woah! He still lives!

If you do have that conversation, make sure you post it here.

Baboonass

03-02-2006, 01:31 PM

Sorry u guys didnt like my story. Don't kill the messenger. I talked to the spotter AGAIN... He sticks to his guns.

Back peddle, back peddle, divert, divert.

Ain't going to work there pal. You made the statements, man up and back them up or blow.

Polar Bear

03-02-2006, 01:41 PM

Back peddle, back peddle, divert, divert.

Ain't going to work there pal. You made the statements, man up and back them up or blow.

He left out counter accusations

RickyRecon

03-02-2006, 03:07 PM

Sgt usmc8541 NY who are u? Sorry u guys didnt like my story. Don't kill the messenger. I talked to the spotter AGAIN... He sticks to his guns. I would like to hear any coversation between him and any body else pm me a email address, and ill have him send his traffic.

Hello all, I am a noob here, but I wanted to say one thing. Mogsniper: As a former Recon Marine, I am appalled at some of the things you stated earlier in this post. Maybe you can back peddle about the spotter, but there is no way you can justify the "SEALs cant hit the broad side of a barn" crap.

I remember doing eight counts in BRC and someone asked our instructor (the great Jimmy Stare) who was the best... Force, SEALs, SF... and Jimmy said the best thing... "We all have the same bones, just different faces."

Learn from it, and drop that chip before you embarrass the Corps.

I will now STFU.

Ranger5280

03-02-2006, 04:05 PM

Ranger5280:

Welcome aboard.

I have been waiting to see if Blarney was being sarcastic. I believe the jury is still out.

Terry

Thanks Terry...Good to be here with you. I think the sarcasm was just a stick to stir the pot.

5280

Ravage

03-02-2006, 05:00 PM

Welcome Ricky ;)

mogsniper94

03-02-2006, 06:03 PM

Back peddle, back peddle, divert, divert.

Ain't going to work there pal. You made the statements, man up and back them up or blow.

u got the contact info now.... go to work.

Oh and everybody with onionskin....can relax.

Ngati Tumatauenga

03-02-2006, 06:05 PM

Well, you've pretty much destroyed any credibility you might have had here, BTDT or not.

How does that make you feel?

California Joe

03-02-2006, 06:09 PM

He really did kind of sound like a dick though huh.

Ngati Tumatauenga

03-02-2006, 06:11 PM

Still does.

Ranger5280

03-02-2006, 06:12 PM

Mogsnipe...if your attitude hasn't already killed opportunities for you...it probably will.

Ranger5280

03-02-2006, 06:33 PM

Hey Blarney...for a 16 year old produce clerk from Kansas City you've been well briefed on the needs of soldiers.

From the Modern soldiers are better killers due to "Operant Conditioning":

oh joy, Jack thompson reaches MPnet...
The Video games are not to blame and neither is society. This stuff though is essential for training our troops. Better killers though is a stretch....

You have the same IM addy as username Blarney at SOCNET (Blarney8519)

Blarney
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Date of Birth:
May 4, 1989 Age:
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Currently a heavy competition shooter and not yet in College. I participate in Trap mostly, but also do Skeet, and range shotgun. Carbine and Pisotl attributes include Speed and Tactical. My favorite form of training is low light Carbine, its extr Location:
Kansas City Interests:
MILSIM, carbine sports, pistol, trap, survival classes, HBar rifle shooting Occupation:
Produce Clerk

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Always have a good dump pouch for those hot extractions Interests:
airsoft, girls, guns Occupation:
im someone out there doing something

mogsniper94

03-02-2006, 06:34 PM

well i think I passed the point of apology... I dont think It would go far.

SgtUSMC8541

03-02-2006, 06:44 PM

They'll let anyone on this thread won't they ???

It was finally getting some class with Capt. Terry, Polar Bear, and Ranger5280 loggin on....but now, it's gone waaaaaaaaaaaaay down the toilet. :cantbeli:

So if you're here, Tony should be along soon. :)

Looks whos talking! :roll: How did you get in? Bribe the bouncer or did you sneak in the back door.:)

Baboonass

03-02-2006, 06:47 PM

well i think I passed the point of apology... I dont think It would go far.

No worries.

If you are truely going to Dam Neck, you can tell the guys in person.

This entire thread is being forwarded to the "right people".

You can explain it in person.

Polar Bear

03-02-2006, 06:55 PM

No worries.

If you are truely going to Dam Neck, you can tell the guys in person.

This entire thread is being forwarded to the "right people".

You can explain it in person.

I like happy endings

B 2/75

03-02-2006, 07:11 PM

And so, my friends, ends yet another chapter in the endless saga of "Posers expect to be cornholed"

Tune in tomorrow for more similar treatment of lowlife scum who try to add to their own (sometimes already admirable military) status by stealing the credentials and honors earned through sweat, blood, and tears of real warriors.

gaz

03-02-2006, 07:12 PM

How did you get in? Bribe the bouncer or did you sneak in the back door.:)
The only backdoor entry around here is something to with Cali Joe and as I understand it it's not a pleasant experience.

Ranger5280

03-02-2006, 07:12 PM

People who are wrapped up in themselves make small packages. -Ben Franklin

California Joe

03-02-2006, 07:13 PM

Hahahaha Jesus it's like an episode of the Surreallystupid Life.

"You the guy Match said was coming?"
"Oh sh*t....wait....oh Gawd......"

C'mon nah Ranger5280, give him credit for being a 16 year old retard that actually knows what "sarcasm" means.

mogsniper94

03-02-2006, 07:14 PM

Looks like I better bring my A game I see a large bar tab in my future.

Midav

03-02-2006, 07:15 PM

The only backdoor entry around here is something to with Cali Joe and as I understand it it's not a pleasant experience.

Yeah, whenever he's done with someone, he keeps forgetting where he placed his old police baton...

Ranger5280

03-02-2006, 07:29 PM

C'mon nah Ranger5280, give him credit for being a 16 year old retard that actually knows what "sarcasm" means.

OK...credit out to Blarney for use of sarcasm. Credit taken back for acting like he knows what he's talking about. LOL

Ngati Tumatauenga

03-02-2006, 07:37 PM

Yeah, whenever he's done with someone, he keeps forgetting where he placed his old police baton...

He keeps it in the trunk with the dead hookers...

Sdiver

03-02-2006, 07:42 PM

Looks whos talking! :roll: How did you get in? Bribe the bouncer or did you sneak in the back door.:)

Naaaa....I just know how to sing "The Battle Hymn Republic" and "Dixie" with equal enthusiasm.rofl

California Joe

03-02-2006, 07:44 PM

This hooker thing is getting blown all out of proportion. I've never been convicted.

SDiver, ask me why I know that quote......:)

HOLLiS

03-02-2006, 07:49 PM

Gee maybe we can form a SOCNET refugee society,

"Damn I love it when a plan comes together" Something the A team might have said.

Wish we had the internet back in the 70's for all the RVN posers going about telling of war crimes they committed etc etc............................

There were posers who served in one branch or another, but never in RVN and they were not any better than those who never served and lied. Just got to love the networking today.

Sdiver

03-02-2006, 07:51 PM

SDiver, ask me why I know that quote......:)

Oh..oh..don't tell me...I know this one....I know it...I know it....oh...oh....it'll come to me...oh...oh...it's right on the tip of my brain...hummm...yeah....I know it...I know it....I know it....

ibstolidude

03-02-2006, 07:51 PM

Wish we had the internet back in the 70's............................

Yeah, but 70's bush in high-def...uhhhh.

I guess its good with the bad.

Sdiver

03-02-2006, 07:55 PM

Wish we had the internet back in the 70's for all the RVN posers going about telling of war crimes they committed etc etc............................

There were posers who served in one branch or another, but never in RVN and they were not any better than those who never served and lied.

Well you can spot them now-a-days. They're on every street corner in every Americian city, with signs telling you they are VN vets and Ninjas killed their families or something like that.

California Joe

03-02-2006, 08:07 PM

I hate when ninjas kill my family. I hate that.

HOLLiS

03-02-2006, 08:09 PM

Well you can spot them now-a-days. They're on every street corner in every Americian city, with signs telling you they are VN vets and Ninjas killed their families or something like that.

The Poser caused a great deal of harm to the Men and Women who served in the Military then. Hollywood added to discrediting the character of Vets too. Almost 15 years after the end of the War in RVN, were vets able to raise their heads again. Thanks to the Men and Women who fought the Gulf war.

The myths of being baby killers, loosers, druggies, psycho pathic killers tarnished the deeds done by great men and women. There names where finally placed on a wall in D.C. many years later. I am glad when a poser goes down, for me hell would too easy on them. I knew a lot of RVN vets who would not tell people they were in-country and avoid the issue. For a long time RVN vets could not really morn their dead, Praise their heros, or be proud of the contribution they made to our nation security. ALL BECAUSE OF POSERS and their lies.

Sharky

03-02-2006, 08:48 PM

Looks like I better bring my A game I see a large bar tab in my future.

If you talk as much smack in person as you do on the net, I see a beatdown in your future rather than a bar tab. Ask someone from SOCNET what G.I.C. means... :)

Ngati Tumatauenga

03-02-2006, 09:01 PM

^ Holy crap, Aug '03 and only two posts!?!?!

EasyRunGent's

03-02-2006, 09:15 PM

Looks like I better bring my A game I see a large bar tab in my future.

FNG, Former FAST Marine who was in Somalia and SOCNET member here to personally bitch slap this *censored**censored**censored**censored*tard mogsniper94.

Hello freak........

Dont bring your A game assneck...bring a box of your mom's tampex to stop the bleeding from you blowhole / cock holster. Bar tab my ass freak show...I see broken nose all over your future.........

Your a complete fraud, dishonorable, integrity violator......

Please *censored**censored**censored**censored* off.
This public service message has been prought to you by your friends at SOCNET where honorable service is appriciated and posers are ass raped.

Now back to scheduled programing

SgtUSMC8541

03-02-2006, 09:18 PM

FNG, Former FAST Marine who was in Somalia and SOCNET member here to personally bitch slap this *censored**censored**censored**censored*tard mogsniper94.

Hello freak........

Dont bring your A game assneck...bring a box of your mom's tampex to stop the bleeding from you blowhole / cock holster. Bar tab my ass freak show...I see broken nose all over your future.........

Your a complete fraud, dishonorable, integrity violator......

Please *censored**censored**censored**censored* off.
This public service message has been prought to you by your friends at SOCNET where honorable service is appriciated and posers are ass raped.

Now back to scheduled programing

ERG, I see you completed the "Get along with others" and "Forgive and Forget" MCI's! rofl

California Joe

03-02-2006, 09:19 PM

C'mon ERG let it out. Tell him how you really feel.

Sharky

03-02-2006, 09:23 PM

^ Holy crap, Aug '03 and only two posts!?!?!

I just upped it again by 50%. :) I dont personally care for this site very much (No offense Argyll). As someone else said, the signal to noise ratio here is a bit over the top. I have enough to do helping run SOCNET. No time for another site.

ERG.......back to sensitivity training you go.......lol

godfather

03-02-2006, 09:58 PM

Hey Mogsniper, I just wanted to clear one thing up, were you a DM or a 8541 in Somalia?

EasyRunGent's

03-02-2006, 11:17 PM

:::::We interupt programing for a SOCNET public service "keeping the integrity" announcement:::::

Hey Dip sheet,
One of the SOCNET BTDT's has a few words to impart to your ass. The following is his entire post.

What with the requirement for a mod to let you into that thread, i won't bother with the hassle. If someone wants to post the following over there for me, it would be cool. I have tried to quote mogassclown's comments, so if you could ensure they kept their same integrity in the repost, that would be cool too.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mogsniper94
They used to send SEALS to Marine Sniper school but they washed out too much. My buddy went to First Mar div school, and 4 out of 4 seals failed.ONE was dropped for cheating.. NONE of them made it to stalking.

Hmm. Since this is where you appear to "start" - I will as well.

First off, I attended SSIS in the summer of '86. I took #2 in the class, my sniper buddy (STA dude) took #1. I was as proud of his getting number one as if I had gotten it. The only reason I add that is to get the silly creds thing out of the way for the rest of my comments.

There were 4 SEALs in my class. All graduated. Some had to re-shoot on the range test, but they were accompanied by a *censored**censored**censored**censored*load of Marines who had also failed to qual on the qual-day. FWIW, those that passed that day had to shoot through some of the worst weather I have ever seen shooting in.

The number one stalker in our class was a SEAL. I think he was from ST4. Maybe it was ST2. In any event, we called him "Stalking Bob." As his finale, he stalked his last graded stalk in red PT shorts and a yellow T-shirt. He got a 7 that day.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mogsniper94
Russian Snipers use a crap weapon system with limited training. They employ a weapon that shoots a 2 moa group for god sakes. The optics are crap, and the ammo is junk.

I was eating in a restuarant in Kabul about 4 weeks ago with a former CAG sniper. He was telling me of a competition where they were smoking the *censored**censored**censored**censored* out of the Ruskies UNTIL they got to range estimation. The Russians were dead on. NONE of our guys were even close. To make matters worse, the Russians asked our guys if they could shoot the US guns. They were allowed to and were also dead on. For those unfamiliar with scoped shooting, just because you have a scope does not mean you are going to be a great shot. These Russian boys were/are.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mogsniper94
In Mogadishu they took 100 shots at the port, and hit dick(they blamed high winds). They got pulled out and snipers from 1st Force went in there, and 1 MARINE got 22 kills in an afternoon. You want the skinny on sniping ask a US Marine, A Brit, or a Canadian.

You are a liar. You "may" have been a sniper in the Corps or a DM, but you are a liar as well. The worst part of it HERE, is that those you had wished to impress now know it. Just this previous comment alone is sufficient to demonstrate your BS. I find it interesting, though, that YOU didn't fire those 22 hits. And that you chalk it up to your apparent FR heros. Whooooooooo. I was in FR for 4+ years, and I want to tell you that I appreciate your being a fan, but please stop kissing our asses. You'll only get chapped lips and we'll probably develop a rash.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mogsniper94
Ask yourself this...if u have to stay current in water ops, sub ops, air ops, black ops,and greens and fulfill deployment requirements how good are u at any of those. Do u have time to shoot better than a MArine, whos sole job is to kill with a bolt action rifle? ahhhhh no. A Seal told me that.

Well stud, why do you think that FR snipers are going to be any better than their SEAL brethren? They have to face the EXACT same problems. EVERYONE would like to focus more on their core tradecraft. Unfortunately, optempo, funding, time, range availability, and simple wanting to go get laid once in awhile prevent us from doing so. There ARE some mighty fine Jarhead snipers out there. There are also a *censored**censored**censored**censored*load of great SEAL, Ranger, SF, snipers out there. As well as some awesome "leg-infantry" Army snipers out there. As well as cops, and simple civvies too. The Corps doesn't have the copyright on being a great shot.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mogsniper94
HAve attached scan of data book 1000y line 10 for 10. Seals wouldnt know about that since they never make it to qual day.

What a childish comment. And what an impressive manner of vetting yourself as an assclown. So you have a logbook showing the 1000 yd line. Woopdifriggingdoo. LOTS of people are firing 1000 yds on IRON SIGHTS every weekend in the summer. You don't get any larger-dick points for your pretty little book.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mogsniper94
They have their own school now that they made easier so they can pass.

No, they had the fortune and funding to put their own school together to address internal operational issues and to hopefully stay aead of all of those operational-tempo problems that you referred to earlier. They also have their own jump school. Are you going to claim they did that to make it easier as well? You think maybe they did this since some of the other avail schools have drawbacks? IE, in MY SS school, the Corps was still teaching landnav. WTF?! If you have to be "taught" landnav in a SS school, then the vetting process to get to that school is screwed. I think we literally WASTED 2 weeks of my time in SS school doing silly-*censored**censored**censored**censored* that I would have preferred doing something else (like time behind my gun in stressful situations with the benefit of a knowledgeable instructor there to point out better/easier ways to get it done).[mogsniper94]IF some other military sniper is taking 200yard shots he will be dead soon.

Why in the world would i want to take close range shots??? Let the bucket head hit those with their ACOGS... When u operate in a combat envirionment you shouldnt be firing at targets under 300 yards!! If u do , just ask for the return fire to be hot heavy and within the effective range of your enemys weapons. You mite get the occasional chip shot, but you don't want to make it a habit.[/quote]Then WHY, pray tell, does the Corps spend sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much time grading its tudents to move to within 200 yards and taking shots without being detected? YES, there are MANY snipers that are taking long shots. There are also MANY guys out there who have/are/will take shorter shots due to terrain and other circumstances. YES, I prefer to take a longer shot on a dude. Why not? That way I am hopefully out of the range of his buddies' return fire. But I have to consider that some of my shots, esepcially at fast-moving targets are going to be at close distances. Including in a mil environment. You know, I am beginning to think that your "experience" is based on either a lot of reading of books, or listening to your equally immature buddies impress you with their opinions of how to be a bad-ass.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mogsniper94
Did u see the video that got SEALS banned from guarding HAmid Kharzi??? The one where the seal sprays the crowd of innocent bystanders.

Ahh, now you are going to enter the realm of PSD as an expert. Cool. OK stud, I also saw the video. NOT a crowd, but rather at three guys, one of whom was armed and had just fired at them, and two others who were fighting with that person for control of that weapon. All from a moving vehicle about 5-7 yards from the shooter. A soldier amred with an AK who did NOT present a threat, and who was standing approx 2-4 feet from the attack, was NOT hit -- nor even fired at. Like it or not, but if I am attacked and have to deal with the threat quickly, I don't have time to ask who is the bad guy when three dudes have their hands on the weapon. Yeah, it sucks to be those guys trying to "do the right thing" and interdict the shooter -- only to get shot. All I can state here is "*censored**censored**censored**censored* happens" and only the guy behind the gun is really going to know what his sight pic looked like. It sure as hell won't be some wannabe simpleton on the internet making the correct judgement call.

OK, enough of showing where you are factually incorrect. Besides, the other guys have pretty much done that as well.

I am going to close with the following; you are an assclown. I can't determine if you are a poser or not, but I do think that you are probably a wannabe who knew someone from STA or a JUNIOR raccoon unit member -- or you were a simple "one-pump chump" who never had any serious experience except for 6 months in a sandfly-infested hole, where you DREAMED of the cool things you could do, if only you had the balls to pass an indoc or take the chance at BUDS. That and/or maybe you werew a pogue (which also seems likely).

IF you were a Marine, you have simply managed to embarrass the Corps with yet another child who has the impression that marching around in a relatively straight line without knocking over the man in front of you and being able to shine the inside of a *censored**censored**censored**censored*can lid is some sort of evidence that the Corps produces better warriors than anyone else.

In short, you are an idiot. But then I think you have heard this before, haven't you? That and "can I have another order of fries with that?"....
__________________
This is no more a war on terrorism than World War II was a war on submarines....LtGen Wallace Gregson, USMC

California Joe

03-02-2006, 11:33 PM

He seems to have covered all the bases on that quite nicely. I would have activated his account if he'd asked. It was worth the price of admission.

RAT

03-03-2006, 12:54 AM

Ask someone from SOCNET what G.I.C. means... :)

I am a newbie here. Well I signed on in 2003. LMFAO.

I just have to ask. What does G.I.C. mean ;)

RAT OUT!!!

EasyRunGent's

03-03-2006, 12:59 AM

Did u see the video that got SEALS banned from guarding HAmid Kharzi???

Oh I missed this one GENIUS.............Just so happens that I know a little bit about KPD..............And you are PHUCKING wrong.......you do not rate an explantion why

BTW momo...why didnt you reply..you were online for over an hour just a short whie ago........afte reading most all of your previous post...you have a pattern in timing and you quote publications and refer to them frequently. You have all these stories yet you joined this site in 06...you carnal knowledge stick....... Since we climbed up your lower intestine you have deviated from your pattern....whats up with that momo.......? Are you a fornacating vaginal vault. How you were able to get ahold of pictures of FAST (my Plt....who's identity I wont pass to you but have passed to others) during a CQB evolution I dont know........but I will find out......

We real FAST Marines NEVER EVER claimed to be or compared ourselves to any NSW operators or FR DA assets...we were happy to have had the opertunity to be in their company and recieve training from them. Your statements are not representative of our attitude of them or toward them. We hold and still hold all of them in the highest reguard. It is not hero worship, it is professionalism you phuck bag

EasyRunGent's

03-03-2006, 01:03 AM

I am a newbie here. Well I signed on in 2003. LMFAO.

I just have to ask. What does G.I.C. mean ;)

RAT OUT!!!

Hey buddy.........

Sdiver

03-03-2006, 02:03 AM

Ask someone from SOCNET what G.I.C. means.

I just have to ask. What does G.I.C. mean ;)

Oh..oh...oh.......oh....oh.....oh....Mr. Kotter...Mr. Kotter....Mr.Kotter......I know...I know....I know....Oh....oh...oh....oh....

Sharky

03-03-2006, 02:18 AM

G.I.C. explained in depth, with all credit going to Sneaky, who pinned it down so well. I miss that guy. Enjoy.

Aaah! The anonymity of the internet. It has truly made us a society that communicates! Anyone feels free to say anything to anyone else at anytime about any subject. It is good that we feel free to communicate. However, there is a problem with this new anonymous communication - it is without accountability - which is a bad thing.

Now I don't know, but I would be willing to bet that you wouldn't say the same thing to Cherokee in say, a bar or a Navy Club, that you posted here. Why? Geographically Induced Consequences. What are GIC, you ask? Good question. The rule of GIC states that if you are geographically close enough for the object of your derision to lay his hands on you, there are consequences. GIC is not a cyber concept, it is real world. Example you say? Thought you would never ask.

Now, let's say you and your life partners are in a straight bar somewhere in Maryland. You've got your little midshipman bell bottoms on and you are getting ALL the attention. Cherokee is sitting at the bar, talking to a friend about BUD/S and all the experiences they shared. It is Cherokee's bar, he goes there everyday to talk to his friends for an hour or two. You interrupt the conversation and ask a question, a good one in your mind, about wait for it - not BUD/S but mini-BUD/S. A term with which Cherokee, by now mildly annoyed, is unfamiliar. You don't like his follow on responses, so you call him "little lady". There are immediate and significant GIC. Normally the GIC come in the form of BAM - Boot/Ass Meet.

Can you imagine yourself doing that? Probably not. Because of GIC, you would have, albeit subconsciously, conducted a mental cost-benefit analysis at the speed of light and come to the obvious conclusion that this man, sitting at the bar talking to his friend, is not one to be trifled with. The cost would be too horrible to contemplate. The benefit of your life partners thinking you are funny or cool is so miniscule as to not even register. Every cell in your being is screaming DO NOT phuck WITH THIS MAN!
GIC is a survival mechanism, much on the order of the Fight/Fight syndrome that men such as Cherokee have*.

In summary, you can get away with statements on the internet with only verbal consequences to suffer. It is a much different matter in the real world. A true man would remember that and not abuse the anonymity and relative safety afforded him by the internet to call a man who is obviously his better a "little lady" in a vain attempt to show how witty he is.

I sincerely hope you enjoy your "Midshipman (NROTC or Academy student) Special Warfare Orientation program". While you are being oriented, it would behoove you to take a moment to remember that Cherokee, Cass, Frogstyle, Frog and the others do or did everyday, for a living, what you are being allowed to be oriented on. And, that you are likely getting Day 0, Hour 0, Minute 1 by a gentlemen's welcoming comittee of what the "little ladies" have endured for years. You phucking disrespectful Ass Clown College Boy wannabe.

(*Note - Fight/Fight as opposed to Fright/Flight posessed by the "normal" population.)

dacanadianbomb

03-03-2006, 02:46 AM

The only one who doesnt fear G.I.C is Chuck.He is GIC.

Argyll

03-03-2006, 05:21 AM

No offence was taken Sharky,nice to see your presence though,same with RAT and a few other names I recognise,It's appreciated that you also come to "set records straight"....
It does Mp.nets integrity no harm when the heavyweights from SOCNET come over to "address issues"........now if I could just get a hold of that Brigand SGT ROCK(Trigger Puller),as I heard he's down Texas way and I'll be there in a few weeks

striker

03-03-2006, 08:32 AM

You can say what You want about ole mogs.. his actions for sure brought some interesting people to us. See, everything also has a positive side to it.
Gents, nice having You here, hope You stay. It would do good to the signal to noise ratio here.
I had my own beef with Mr. mog... regarding OPSEC 3 weeks ago
Went unnoticed back when, glad if it gets dealt with:

Originally Posted by mogsniper94
Us embassies in hard duty posts ( unfriendly countries) have serious armories. They could mow down a crowd so qwik Stalin would be proud...but getting the order to do so, is another matter. M249 saws 1000 rnd per minute 5 drums linked to kill subdue unarmed mob. Two of them on opposite ends of perimeter behind collapsable ballistic bunkers could fend them off real qwik. I helped disperse a mob once... and all it took was a burst from an m60, and a burst of MK19! But those were the good ol days!

Sir,

I would appreciate if you would refrain from posting on an open forum, what an MSG Det has in their armory.
The surprises in store at post 1 and elsewhere are best kept that: Surprises.
No need, to inform potential attackers as to what's in store for them.

No offense, but if you know whats in store at post, you have been there, those not there have no need to know, so better keep it zipped, Marine.

thank you, Sir

brgds
striker

Baboonass

03-03-2006, 09:24 AM

G.I.C. explained in depth, with all credit going to Sneaky, who pinned it down so well. I miss that guy. Enjoy.

One of the best posts EVER!

Sneaky was one-of-a-kind.

Baboonass

03-03-2006, 09:27 AM

CPTAUSRET

03-03-2006, 10:20 AM

Sharky:

I just talked with "Sneaky" a couple of weeks ago via (SKYPE) he's doing well.

Terry

CPTAUSRET

03-03-2006, 10:21 AM

That and a few other posts we have noted in the SOCNET thread. All of these will be addressed soon enough. Not here, but rather at his command.

Talk about stepping on your DICK!!

Terry

CPTAUSRET

03-03-2006, 10:23 AM

I am a newbie here. Well I signed on in 2003. LMFAO.

I just have to ask. What does G.I.C. mean ;)

RAT OUT!!!

RAT:

Is that you, brother?

Terry

CPTAUSRET

03-03-2006, 10:26 AM

Hey Blarney...for a 16 year old produce clerk from Kansas City you've been well briefed on the needs of soldiers.

From the Modern soldiers are better killers due to "Operant Conditioning":

You have the same IM addy as username Blarney at SOCNET (Blarney8519)

Blarney
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SOCNET Profile:
Date of Birth:
May 4, 1989 Age:
16 Credentials:
Currently a heavy competition shooter and not yet in College. I participate in Trap mostly, but also do Skeet, and range shotgun. Carbine and Pisotl attributes include Speed and Tactical. My favorite form of training is low light Carbine, its extr Location:
Kansas City Interests:
MILSIM, carbine sports, pistol, trap, survival classes, HBar rifle shooting Occupation:
Produce Clerk

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Militaryphotos Profile:
Location:
Always have a good dump pouch for those hot extractions Interests:
airsoft, girls, guns Occupation:
im someone out there doing something

His name is Ben S. I won't post his last name.

But even your internet keyboard is not a safe place to hide behind, if you are stirring the pot.

Terry

Ranger5280

03-03-2006, 11:00 AM

LMAO Terry...

Just when the internet gives wannabes/pot stirrers/posers and prepubescent airsofters the false security of being far removed from GIC those of us who care so much p-) find the required work-arounds to bring the BAM to them.

B 2/75

03-03-2006, 01:18 PM

Looks like I better bring my A game I see a large bar tab in my future.

Did somebody actually want to take the time to have a drink with you?

CPTAUSRET

03-03-2006, 01:59 PM

well i think I passed the point of apology... I dont think It would go far.

Probably not!

It, however is still is the honorable thing to do!

I have stepped outside without my shirt on (thus leaving my rank behind) a time or two in my career, and when the dust settled the one standing helped the other one up, poured beer on the bloodied up areas, and bought the beer. The point of this, is that put an end to it. Something you have not done.

Being victor vice vanquished, did not necessarily make you right, and if I was wrong I manned up and admitted it!

Terry

moughoun

03-03-2006, 02:04 PM

His name is Ben S. I won't post his last name.

But even your internet keyboard is not a safe place to hide behind, if you are stirring the pot.

Terry wait a minute, Blarney is only a 16 year old shop boy?!?, he goes around here giving s.hit to people, when SEAL's, or any other SOF is mentioned like he's an authority on the subject, damn I thought he was a Marine NCO or something the way he was going.:roll:

CPTAUSRET

03-03-2006, 02:07 PM

wait a minute, Blarney is only a 16 year old shop boy?!?, he goes around here giving s.hit to people, when SEAL's, or any other SOF is mentioned like he's an authority on the subject, damn I thought he was a Marine NCO or something the way he was going.:roll:

Thus the difference between "Talking the talk", and Walking the walk"!

Terry

moughoun

03-03-2006, 02:14 PM

Thus the difference between "Talkikng the talk", and Walking the walk"!

Terry
indeed, thank's for the head's up though, one more toolbag to ignore herep-)

Argyll

03-03-2006, 03:03 PM

Why do you think he got binned from Pro soldiers? p-)

Ranger5280

03-03-2006, 03:21 PM

Argyll...first of all thanks for welcoming us SOCNETers to your AO.

Secondly, MP.net banned user Beppo headed our way (SOCNET) and I noticed the link in his profile mentions a pretty heinous reason for being banned. What's his deal?

remo williams

03-03-2006, 06:57 PM

i mean...wow...even from the minimum safe distance... btdt's are no fcuking joke.

Laworkerbee

03-03-2006, 07:55 PM

SgtUSMC8541

03-03-2006, 08:17 PM

Well he is gone from SOCNet too now. Looks like the black bird has been busy.

Chops

03-03-2006, 10:43 PM

Re Beppo- posting photoshopped images of kiddies in suggestive poses. Charming.

We bag em here, they run to SOCNET and you guys give em the drop kick. I love it when a plan comes together.. ;-)

And welcome to you guys.

cheers

C

RAT

03-04-2006, 01:31 AM

RAT:

Is that you, brother?

Terry

Yes, Sir. It is ME. :D

Working with ROCK (A, let me know when you get to Texas. I will make sure we have a great link up. Rock is to much in and out of love all the time to do anything. LMFAO) I don't have as much free time to surf the net as I would like. I am keeping abreast of this one.

Capt hope you and the Mrs are doing well.

RAT OUT!!!

Laworkerbee

03-04-2006, 03:41 PM

I believe he posted something akin to naked children ( no joke ) and was swiftly removed

I've been PM'd by Beppo and told that what I have written before about Beppo was incorrect information and therefore would like to apologize to him for my missleading statement.

I didn't know banned users could still use the PM system

Chops

03-04-2006, 11:21 PM

They can't except for a little administrative error on Beppo's account. Fixed now. He PM'd me too- guys gotta take his lumps.

C

dacanadianbomb

03-06-2006, 08:23 PM

Why do you think he got binned from Pro soldiers? p-)

I cant actually believe my eyes.

He actually posted the words "My DA kit on Socnet.
I have to hand it to you, that was a great mistake in "situational awareness" to think that was going to fly there.

Mirror

03-07-2006, 08:32 AM

Sounds kind of a odd question, but where is Goldman?

CPTAUSRET

03-11-2006, 12:19 PM

Yes, Sir. It is ME. :D

Working with ROCK (A, let me know when you get to Texas. I will make sure we have a great link up. Rock is to much in and out of love all the time to do anything. LMFAO) I don't have as much free time to surf the net as I would like. I am keeping abreast of this one.

Capt hope you and the Mrs are doing well.

RAT OUT!!!

Rat:

We just returned from NYC 3 days, London 3 days, Belgium 3 days (where we stayed at the American Embassy in the Presidential suite), we had a ball.

Terry

Ravage

06-01-2006, 10:36 AM

Did u see the video that got SEALS banned from guarding HAmid Kharzi???

where can you get that vid ?

Andreas

06-26-2006, 10:24 AM

Seems I missed this eyecandy of a thread.
Would have stayed out anyways while the BTDT exchange was full on.
But now it seems the verbal-led has stopped flying and our friend "MogSomething" has returned to his dayjob pedeling fruits and such..

Some of theese posers put down a quite impressive effort in these stupid atempts to look like the real deal..

On the other hand, it`s only when these posers show up that the real veterans show up, we "mere mortal ones" get a glimce into their history and experiances...

rest in pieces mr.Mog...

Cheers
Andy