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BoyElroy
02-26-2006, 07:12 PM
Press Association Newsfile

February 26, 2006 Sunday

HEADLINE: AFGHANS URGE BRITISH TROOPS `TO OPERATE IN AN ISLAMIC WAY'

BYLINE: Caroline Gammell, in Lashkar Ga, Helmand Province. Afghanistan

BODY:


British troops in southern Afghanistan must operate in an ``Islamic'' way and understand the culture if they are to succeed in winning hearts and minds, local people urged today.

They must shy away from the more heavy-handed approach of the US troops who have been in Helmand Province for the last three years but have not engaged with the Afghan population, staying in their vehicles as they patrol.

The Americans are based in the Helmand capital of Lashkar Ga, running the Provincial Reconstruction Team (PRT), until 350 British soldiers take over in April.

Thousands of UK troops are moving to the dangerous province over the next few months to support the Afghan National Army (ANA) as it tries to extend its influence across the south of the country.

Remnants of the Taliban, members of al Qaida and other insurgent groups are thought to be operating from and hiding in remote parts of the region.

But in Lashkar Ga, where a tiny number of British troops are currently based, Afghans warned against ignoring the needs of the locals.

The UK soldiers who have been in the town for just over a week are trying to differentiate from the US by patrolling on foot and wearing berets.

But Muhamad Asif, a mason from Kandahar, said people were tired of troops parading around in their vehicles.

``If the international community understood Afghans through their culture and customs, it would help the people,'' he said.

``The other day I was driving and I saw some coalition troops who were driving as well and they waved me to the side of the road and said if I did not go they would hurt my car.

``I have seen these incidents, everybody has seen these incidents.

``The only way that they want to help with security is through the ANA but they should help the people because it is the locals who can bring security to the town.

``The soldiers should do their work all under the rules of Islam. If they do not do that, it will not work.''

Local Afghans were also clear about what would help destroy the country's multi-billion US dollar drugs industry which accounts for a third of the entire economy.

Mr Asif said the most important way to help was to build roads and infrastructure so that crops other than poppy could be grown in the area and sold locally at markets.

``We need roads but the international and British troops are building up their camps for security,'' he said.

Standing with a group of 30 Afghans in a crowded street in the town, the 42-year-old said the poppy problem would not disappear because people needed livelihoods: ``The main problem is because the people are jobless.

``If they had a job and there were companies here that people could work for then they would never have time to think about growing poppy.''

Tea-seller Niaz Muhammad said much more poppy had been grown in the last 12 months because the Afghan government's policy of destroying fields without compensation had left farmers poor.

But he said if a proper alternative was provided, then people would be happy to grow other produce.

``If the British or international community helps them, they will not grow poppy. They will grow wheat or cotton or whatever.

``Last year, the government eradicated some of the poppy and said it would give the people something in return but it did not - that is the only reason people grew more this year.''

The British government's Department for International Development (DfID) is contributing £500 million over the next five years to help provide alternatives for poppy farmers and labourers.

Policy-makers need to find a swift solution before the planting season starts in October.

But a DfID source said that the Afghan government was reluctant to provide financial compensation because it would be seen as a reward for growing the narcotic.

Lieutenant-Colonel Henry Worsley, who will oversee the British-led PRT in Lashkar Ga, said the UK troops would not be involved in any form of opiate crop eradication.

``You will never see British troops cutting down poppy,'' he said.

``If we are on patrol we could take down the grid reference of a suspected poppy field and tell the Afghan National Police.

``We will also train the ANA how to carry out effective stop and searches.''

Lt Col Worsley said British troops would patrol with the ANA in the south of Helmand where drug traffickers have carved out smuggling tracks in the gravel plains.

``There is currently no military presence whatsoever in that part of the region - either from coalition or Afghan troops, no outposts at all,'' he said.

``When we patrol, people will see the British Army and the ANA in collaboration working together.

``It is something they will never have seen before.''

LOAD-DATE: February 26, 2006

DarkCypher
02-26-2006, 07:58 PM
Respect them and their culture and in return they might respect you.

Canuck Farrier
02-26-2006, 07:58 PM
Before going on a deployment does the military give soldiers a crash course on the local languages or do they learn on the job?

mogsniper94
02-26-2006, 07:59 PM
They need an alternate crop!!! In the worst way!!!

I'mOnlyHalfPolish
02-26-2006, 08:11 PM
next headline..."British Troops urge extremists to not blow themselves up near them"

Yimmy
02-26-2006, 08:18 PM
Before going on a deployment does the military give soldiers a crash course on the local languages or do they learn on the job?

The soldiers on the deployment will have been given some basic local language and culture classes.

I saw a clip of Afghanistan on the news the other day, it really does surprise me how GB and the US are so close allies, yet we operate in seemingly completely different ways. One second the news report was showing British soldiers on patrol, a foot patrol, in berets, whereas the next second the focus was on an American patrol, in hummers and hard-hats.

It is hard to say which is better mind, without a good knowledge of the individual areas and circumstances.

mogsniper94
02-26-2006, 08:31 PM
Marines prefer Dismounted patrols as well. But keep the brain buckets on for gods sake!!! Berets dont stop bullets or frag!!!

SuperShot5000
02-26-2006, 09:04 PM
Marines prefer Dismounted patrols as well. But keep the brain buckets on for gods sake!!! Berets dont stop bullets or frag!!!

Most Specops guys wear them. I read an article in Time or Newsweek about a Green Beret platoon during the sweep of Tal Afar, and in every single picture they had on MICH helmets, minus the helmet covers of course ;).

Today's soldiers seem to be a bit more concerned about safety than macho-Rambo-Supersoldier facades.


Respect them and their culture and in return they might respect you.

General Giap proved that the hearts and minds theroum works, so I'd listen to the Afghans if I was the head honcho of the Brits.

tsuri
02-26-2006, 09:10 PM
Why do they urge them to do that?
I thought that kind of patrol was widespread among European Militaries on Peacekeeping?

sp2c
02-26-2006, 09:20 PM
The soldiers on the deployment will have been given some basic local language and culture classes.

I saw a clip of Afghanistan on the news the other day, it really does surprise me how GB and the US are so close allies, yet we operate in seemingly completely different ways. One second the news report was showing British soldiers on patrol, a foot patrol, in berets, whereas the next second the focus was on an American patrol, in hummers and hard-hats.

It is hard to say which is better mind, without a good knowledge of the individual areas and circumstances.

I tend to think that's just the media putting a spin on things, no way the brits are going to be walking into an area where they know they'll most likely get shot at with their berets on.

We get that a lot here too, at one point they would show our troops walking around relatively calm as samawah followed be flocks of little children cheering 'Ollanda ... candy!!' and the next scene would show the evil Americans driving Amtracks through buildings before blowing them up, but they forget to mention that those evil Americans were not operating in peacefull as samawah at the time but they were in little less peacefull Fallujah going house to house. I imagine that the Americans take their helmets off too when it's safe to do so

the worst one I've seen yet was about Afghanistan it showed Americans hunting Taliban with any means at there disposal followed by Dutchies doing the Amarillo for friends and families back home and Rambo (yes Rambo!!!, the guy with the bow and arrow on his back, 1 M60 in each fist and a stupid looking bandana on his head!!!) talking to some Afghans about 'how they don't take no ****'
good thing I lost my confidence in our media ages ago or I'd be crying in my beer and there's nothing I hate more then a watered down alcoholic beveridge!!

TacoDelRio
02-26-2006, 09:25 PM
I think our American soldiers are patrolling inside a vehicle for a reason.

cowboypimp
02-26-2006, 09:37 PM
does operating in an islamic way include burning American flags, getting angry at cartoons, and blowing themselves up??

Roaming East
02-26-2006, 09:42 PM
Gen Giaps method kinda included heavy use of terrorizing the local populace into complacency didnt it? Not so much winning hearts and minds than it is taking them

Bombtrack
02-26-2006, 10:20 PM
does operating in an islamic way include burning American flags, getting angry at cartoons, and blowing themselves up??

hahaha i was waiting for that

Cabbage
02-27-2006, 01:54 AM
The soldiers on the deployment will have been given some basic local language and culture classes.

I saw a clip of Afghanistan on the news the other day, it really does surprise me how GB and the US are so close allies, yet we operate in seemingly completely different ways. One second the news report was showing British soldiers on patrol, a foot patrol, in berets, whereas the next second the focus was on an American patrol, in hummers and hard-hats.

It is hard to say which is better mind, without a good knowledge of the individual areas and circumstances.

British troops wear berets just to make it seem like they get on with the locals. When in fact the opposite is true...just look at Iraq. British troops started with berets there and now are the most hated in the whole country. :roll:

It's the same b*ll**** with unarmed police in the UK. The police are unarmed so it must be the safest country in the world, right?

Wrong!

Again...b*ll****.

Holycrusader
02-27-2006, 02:11 AM
British troops wear berets just to make it seem like they get on with the locals. When in fact the opposite is true...just look at Iraq. British troops started with berets there and now are the most hated in the whole country. :roll:

It's the same b*ll**** with unarmed police in the UK. The police are unarmed so it must be the safest country in the world, right?

Wrong!

Again...b*ll****.

Your post is wrong. Compare casualties and than say who is most hated occupant in Iraq...

And I think most of the UK is very safe...

oregongrunt
02-27-2006, 02:37 AM
In 2003 many brits were wearing shorts and boots only that i saw.

Hullebullen
02-27-2006, 02:51 AM
Most Specops guys wear them. I read an article in Time or Newsweek about a Green Beret platoon during the sweep of Tal Afar, and in every single picture they had on MICH helmets, minus the helmet covers of course ;).

Today's soldiers seem to be a bit more concerned about safety than macho-Rambo-Supersoldier facades.


It's not about being macho. It's about maintaining a less aggressive/intimidating profile...

Cabbage
02-27-2006, 10:12 AM
Your post is wrong. Compare casualties and than say who is most hated occupant in Iraq...

And I think most of the UK is very safe...

That wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that the US took to controlling the most dangerous parts of Iraq, namely Baghdad and the North? Or that the Brits only control a small part. No? :roll:

Oh yes....the UK is safe. Hmmm...and you would know because you came here on holiday a few times, yes? :roll:

Mate...next time you visit the UK, look me up. I'll introduce you to places you wish you never stepped foot in... :cantbeli:

p.s. After the incident of the Brit soldiers beating up those kids, they've lost the support of the local regional governor, let alone the people there...

Yimmy
02-27-2006, 10:23 AM
The UK is a relatively safe country compared to other first world nations.

I have lived in the UK all my life, in the London area, and have never been mugged or otherwise set-upon in my life.

CMNot
02-27-2006, 10:47 AM
RM who are currently in a-stan are not exactly knew to the country bar knew booties...

babydave
02-27-2006, 03:09 PM
sigh

british troops arent hated because of the differences in patrolling, up until recently it worked well but with incidents like the 2 sas guys being arrested by insurgents things are going to go wrong. the more aggressive muslims will never forgive us for flattening their police station to remove our soldiers from custody.

and its not just about being dismounted. everytime i see us troops on the news they all wear reflectlive sunglasses like oakley's etc which is not good for relations with the locals.

and the UK is still an extremely safe place to be, as with anywhere if you dont look for trouble you wont find it.

jmatucd
02-27-2006, 05:27 PM
sigh

and its not just about being dismounted. everytime i see us troops on the news they all wear reflectlive sunglasses like oakley's etc which is not good for relations with the locals.


Yeah, but there are advantages to having others not know where you are looking..

The idea of Brit troops operating in an Islamic manner is laughable at best.

Canuck Farrier
02-27-2006, 06:49 PM
Have there been any attacks against the British troops due to the Soldiers beating on the little punks on video.?

James
02-27-2006, 07:01 PM
Back to the article...

I've been to Afghanistan a number of times. The statements from the locals that were interviewed can be loosely translated to "Give us stuff and maybe we will be friendly to you. Just keep the handouts coming."
Sooo many people (men) in that country have an AMAZING sense of entitlement - that they are owed something, in spite of the fact that they are illiterate, uneducated, unemployed, and do nothing to help themselves other than pray 5 times a day. The Afghan man who takes the initiative and tries to better himself is, in my opinion, a rare breed.

tyovan
02-27-2006, 07:04 PM
and the UK is still an extremely safe place to be, as with anywhere if you dont look for trouble you wont find it.

I was assaulted in Edinburgh and I certainly wasn't looking for trouble.

Canuck Farrier
02-27-2006, 07:48 PM
for your sake i hope it was a good lookin woman!