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EvanL
03-03-2004, 01:33 PM
Canada's top-secret troops unmasked
They have a few extras not issued to other soldiers

Mike Blanchfield
The Ottawa Citizen


Wednesday, March 03, 2004
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OTTAWA -- The Nike baseball caps were a dead giveaway.

The khaki pants, designer sunglasses and casual T-shirts also helped tell the story: Canada's top secret, elite commandos from the Joint Task Force 2 have been unofficially unmasked.

News photographs emerging from the carnage-filled streets of Port-au-Prince, Haiti, this week have depicted the heavily armed Canadian soldiers in some rather casual garb.

Instead of the usual CadPad, the standard issue forest green uniforms, numerous wire service photographs show the casually dressed soldiers -- armed to the teeth -- with a few extras that regular troops are not issued.

Federal government policy prevents politicians and military officials from discussing the operations of JTF2, the anti-terrorism unit that conducts special operations, and pulls down guard duty across the globe for high profile dignitaries.

But a ******* News Agency photograph from Haiti offered a rare glimpse of the secretive force.

Unlike the U.S. military, which acknowledges its Special Forces, and has helped bring depictions of their exploits to Hollywood films, Canada has maintained strict secrecy about JTF2.

The government didn't formally acknowledge that nine JTF2 commandos were being sent to Haiti last week to guard the Canadian embassy as rebels marched on Port-au-Prince.

The deafening denials of the government and military officials went a long way towards unofficially confirming JTF2 involvement.

Speaking with sources familiar with JTF2 operations makes it possible to note many telltale features of the elite unit in the ******* photograph accompanying this article.

Here's a rundown of what gave them away:

- The Nike baseball cap. Canadian soldiers have strict rules about wearing green military-issue headgear.

- The longer than usual tufts of hair.

- The grey T-shirt, instead of the usual green camouflaged buttoned top.

- Khaki pants, as opposed to regular green CadPad uniform bottoms.

- The light-coloured gloves, needed so the paratroopers can handle hot substances, such as smouldering automobiles or injured civilians that need rescuing.

- The C-8 automatic weapon, a smaller version of the standard issue C-7 rifle issued to regular troops.

- The seven magazines of ammunition for the weapon. One magazine is in the gun, three more are in pouches on the soldier's belt. But notice three more loose magazines are tucked inside the soldier's belt. It is unusual for regular troops to carry more than five magazines.

- The laser targeting device below the weapon's barrel.

- The handy carrying handle.

And though they are barely visible in the photo, the soldier is also wearing what appears to be Oakley designer sunglasses, another favourite of elite special forces troops on both sides of the Canada-U.S. border.

Canadians have caught glimpses of the JTF2 in the past. The most notable example was in the winter of 2002 when an Associated Press photographer captured three JTF2 members escorting an al-Qaida prisoner from an aircraft at the Kandahar air base in southern Afghan-istan.

On former prime minister Jean Chretien's trip to Afghanistan last fall, Canadian television viewers also caught glimpses of the JTF2 as they exited a Hercules air plane that transported Chretien and his entourage to Camp Julien in the Afghan capital of Kabul.

There is another, not very well known reason why Canadian news photographers haven't shown many -- if any -- images of JTF2 commandos.

When Canadian journalists are embedded with soldiers in Afghanistan in the past, they are required to agree not to disclose the identity of members of JTF2.

© The Vancouver Sun 2004

Argyll
03-03-2004, 01:41 PM
Canada's top-secret troops unmasked
They have a few extras not issued to other soldiers


Here's a rundown of what gave them away:

- The Nike baseball cap. Canadian soldiers have strict rules about wearing green military-issue headgear.

- The longer than usual tufts of hair.

- The grey T-shirt, instead of the usual green camouflaged buttoned top.

- Khaki pants, as opposed to regular green CadPad uniform bottoms.

- The light-coloured gloves, needed so the paratroopers can handle hot substances, such as smouldering automobiles or injured civilians that need rescuing.

- The C-8 automatic weapon, a smaller version of the standard issue C-7 rifle issued to regular troops.

- The seven magazines of ammunition for the weapon. One magazine is in the gun, three more are in pouches on the soldier's belt. But notice three more loose magazines are tucked inside the soldier's belt. It is unusual for regular troops to carry more than five magazines.

- The laser targeting device below the weapon's barrel.

- The handy carrying handle.

And though they are barely visible in the photo, the soldier is also wearing what appears to be Oakley designer sunglasses, another favourite of elite special forces troops on both sides of the Canada-U.S. border.


Stereotyped by the media!!!
Apart from the references to the C7/8's and CADPAT it could describe any SOF unit in the world! or any CP detail a well.

None the less a good story....seems JTF-2 want to come out of the cold?

EvanL
03-03-2004, 01:48 PM
I woudlnt say they want to come out of the cold. The Canadian public would sure like them to. So they could persuade the government to disband them, or atleast take away their weapons.
;)
I think its better that we dont know much about them.

Argyll
03-03-2004, 01:54 PM
It amazes me why Governments want to disband their most prize assets

XASA
03-03-2004, 02:00 PM
I don't doubt that they might possibly be JTF but the article reads like it was written by one of the 16-year old wannabes from militaryphotos.net with a Delta obsession, especially when the writer says carrying two extra magazines is a dead giveaway. Give me a break.

ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
03-03-2004, 02:02 PM
It amazes me why Governments want to disband their most prize assets

Yup you know there motto
"Lift leg place head firmly in asshole until breathing becomes restricted."

Nondescript
03-03-2004, 02:59 PM
I don't doubt that they might possibly be JTF but the article reads like it was written by one of the 16-year old wannabes from militaryphotos.net with a Delta obsession, especially when the writer says carrying two extra magazines is a dead giveaway. Give me a break.

Actually it's three extra magazines. So it has to be JTF-2, wouldn't you agree. ;)

Resevoir Hogs
03-03-2004, 03:45 PM
Come out of the cold? I think what the Canadian public wants is irrelevant when it comes to what the CF needs.

The US Special forces number in the thousands and priority of secrecy ammong the different units probably varries.

But Canada has 1 Anti-terrorist/commando unit and it isn't big at all.
Therefore secrecy needs to be higher because a breach of identity security could unmask half the entire unit.
Esspecially with the global war on terror should this remain a paramount concern not only for CF personnel but for the Canadian public who they defend.

DANJANOU
03-03-2004, 03:49 PM
but the article reads like it was written by one of the 16-year old wannabes from militaryphotos.net with a Delta obsession,

Funny that was the first thing that popped into my head when I read it earlier today.

As to the gucci kit, forget the Nike hats and and the Oakleys. The real dead giveaway that they're Dwyer Hill Highlanders is the little Canadian flags sewed on their backpacks... excuse me tac vests.

Everyone knows that all hosers when going abroad must sew a little Canadian flag somewhere visible on their luggage, it's enshrined in the charter of rights somewhere.

Either that or a Tim Hortons travel mug hooked on somewhere, but I guess the Timmies outside of Ottawa was closed when they deployed.

Actually looking at the pics again I now wonder if they're testing the newest version of CadPat fostered on us by the folks at Disney on the Rideau to better blend in with our surroundings. First we had Forrest ( green/black relish) pattern, then Arid (desert/beige) and now "yuppie."

Maverick77
03-03-2004, 03:50 PM
Some woman who may someday get into the Prime Minister position has said she willi immeadiatly put 10 billion dollars per year into the CF if she gets in.



she will have my vote

EvanL
03-03-2004, 03:52 PM
Some woman who may someday get into the Prime Minister position has said she willi immeadiatly put 10 billion dollars per year into the CF if she gets in.



she will have my vote
Shes hot to.

Maverick77
03-03-2004, 03:54 PM
not bad....not bad at all

Argyll
03-03-2004, 03:54 PM
Show us a picture of her then ;)

Maverick77
03-03-2004, 03:55 PM
http://www.herald.ns.ca/2004/03/03/bigthumbs/1048.jpg

ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
03-03-2004, 03:57 PM
http://www.herald.ns.ca/2004/03/03/bigthumbs/1048.jpg

Shes got my vote woot

Tributal
03-03-2004, 04:01 PM
And here's some pics of the troops:

http://images.southparkstudios.com/img/content/characters/56a.gifhttp://images.southparkstudios.com/img/content/characters/57a.gif

Sorry, couldn't resist. :hug: Any pics with the original article?

Argyll
03-03-2004, 04:06 PM
http://www.herald.ns.ca/2004/03/03/bigthumbs/1048.jpg


Can I vote by Proxy?

wholagun
03-03-2004, 04:09 PM
shes look up tight (which some men find appelaing especially in bed where those kind of chicks tend to go ape) she clearly has no Political experience. Just listen to her on debates with Clement and Harper. I'll vote for Harper.

DANJANOU
03-03-2004, 04:12 PM
Down boys.

Mind she is a Cougar BTW.

As to the billions for defence. Well maybe I'm a cynical old fart, but I'll believe it when I see it. Last Conservative government promised 12 nuke subs, a full mech division based in Europe, full strength reserve units, lots of shiny kit, etc. etc. etc.

scm77
03-03-2004, 04:31 PM
He forgot to mention they look so much cooler then normal soldiers. woot.

Here is a picture of that woman who says she'd increase funding by at least 1 Billion/year.

http://www.leadership2004.ca/french/exec/bios/images/Portrait%20Stronach%202.jpg

And while were at it, two more JTF2.

http://wwwi.*******.com/images/2004-03-02T180847Z_01_HAT07D_RTRIDSP_2_HAITI.jpg

http://wwwi.*******.com/images/2004-03-02T181109Z_01_HAT08D_RTRIDSP_2_HAITI.jpg

Here is the picture that the original is talking about.
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040301/i/ra1157968195.jpg

Resevoir Hogs
03-03-2004, 05:40 PM
Danjanou the last conservative gov really promised 12 nuke subs? lol that's insanely funny for some reason.

Sixgun Symphony
03-04-2004, 12:12 AM
If these guys wanted to keep a low profile, then they would have worn the standard uniforms.

USMarine3521
03-04-2004, 12:30 AM
If these guys wanted to keep a low profile, then they would have worn the standard uniforms.

i agree

EvanL
03-04-2004, 12:42 AM
If these guys wanted to keep a low profile, then they would have worn the standard uniforms.

i agree
careful there my friend. Your shaking hands with the devil.
;)

DANJANOU
03-04-2004, 09:10 AM
Res, yeah the Mulroney Conservatives White Paper in the 1980's had all sorts of goodies in it to reapair the decade(s) of damage and neglect done to the CF by Trudeau. Mind the Cold War was still on and the US under Reagan was building up (or rebuilding actually) it's military at the same time, so it' not like we had a viable option considering how chummy Mulroney and Reagan were then.

Then the Soviets collapsed, the Cold War ended, and we got the "peace dividend" so military spending in the Great White North went on the back burner again. We all know how that peace dividend worked out eh.

Can you say Croatia, Bosnia, Somalia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1 & 2, Haiti, East Timor, Eritrea, Congo, Rwanda, Afghanistan timmie.

As for the wearing uniforms to blend in. Who says they're not. Nothing from NDHQ surprises me. For all we know there was a memo sent out prior to this deployment that went like this:

To all CF pers:

Due to another round of budget cuts and the need for another couple of billion for our new get re elcted at all costs Quebec slush fund, all CF pers will now have to wear their own clothing on deployments as uniforms are too expensive.

We are still debating on whether or not you will be able to deduct dry cleaning and laundry for this as a business expence on your income taxes. Mind the Royal Commison we've set up on it states probably not.

This memo supercedes the one from yesterday that said that you had to provide your own weapons on deployment from now on. One of the cabinent ministers pointed out that this is Canada and loyal citizens are not allowed to legally own weapons anymore, only criminals.

Yours,

P. Martin PM (for life)

Osiris
03-04-2004, 06:34 PM
lol rofl

Minjin
03-04-2004, 07:24 PM
http://wwwi.*******.com/images/2004-03-02T180847Z_01_HAT07D_RTRIDSP_2_HAITI.jpg

The guy on the left cannot possibly be JTF2...the above article clearly states that they only wear khaki pants, not blue jeans rofl

It would be nice if the government would dump some money where it is needed, instead of where they just feel like putting it...

memphiz
03-04-2004, 10:47 PM
http://wwwi.*******.com/images/2004-03-02T180847Z_01_HAT07D_RTRIDSP_2_HAITI.jpg

The guy on the left cannot possibly be JTF2...the above article clearly states that they only wear khaki pants, not blue jeans rofl

It would be nice if the government would dump some money where it is needed, instead of where they just feel like putting it...
i agree... oh and neither of the guys in the pic can possibly be JTF-2 becouse their not wearing Nike hats,and Oakleys.

DANJANOU
03-05-2004, 11:16 AM
No they're both members of the Dwyer Hill Ski Team. The guy in jeans obviously bought a pair of knock off Calvins from a local sweat shop immediately after arriving to better blend in.

Both were of course forced to pawn their Oakleys and Nike ball caps to French or American troops for extra ammo due to yet another round of budget cuts.

Don't you guys read your NDHQ memos?

Ice14
03-06-2004, 07:10 PM
I have no idea how to post pictures. But I bet the pic of buddy walking around in CADPAT with his pistol on his vest is JTF... whereas these other guys are decoys ;)

And I think it woulda been appropriate for the JTF boys to slot the reporters taking the pics.

I also find it strangely humorous how the media keeps saying that Britain and the US acknowledge their SF... how many pics do you see out there of Delta, DEVGRU, or SAS? Maybe five total, with no faces shown.

Ice14
03-06-2004, 07:12 PM
Oh yah, and standard sign out for mags is 5... but I have a buddy in RMC (yep, an O/CDT) who bought a pack for his ruck to carry more ammo and he carries 10 mags regularly.