Digital Camo for Colombian Army

[miguelhc]

Last week I wrote an e-mail to the Colombian Army requesting pics of their brand new Digital Camo (woodland and desert).

They sent me a very polite reply with 3 excellent pics and asking me to add a link to their website, a request I will be more than happy to comply with:

http://www.ejercito.mil.co/

The woodland pattern in particular is perfect for the Colombian jungle (I think I should call it tropical pattern instead of woodland. Old habits die hard).

For those of you wondering why the hell are they issuing a desert pattern, Colombia has a 500-men strong battalion deployed in Sinai as a part of the UN peace keeping mission there since the Camp David agreements.

Check out the boots: They are camoed as well! Pouches too. Excellent.

Really impressive!! Good for Colombia, they joined the selected club of countries using digital camos (Canada, USA, Italia, Finland and Jordan).

For some reason, the pattern reminds me of a German experimental pattern to replace Flecktarn. I saw that pattern years ago but never heard of it anymore.

[CQB_Operator]

edited too!!!

[miguelhc]

links edited

[TallGuy]

OK, screw the mp.net attachment system.

I uploaded the pics to my own server:

http://www.reyrodriguez.com/colombia/colombia1.jpg
http://www.reyrodriguez.com/colombia/colombia2.jpg
http://www.reyrodriguez.com/colombia/colombia3.jpg Those aren't working either. Just host the pics on http://www.imageshack.us

[AROUETLJ]

For the last time veer: ITALIAN CAMOUFLAGE IS NOT DIGITAL.

[miguelhc]

Arquetelj, as for the Italian camo not being digital: they are digital as in designed by computer. They are not pixelated, if that is what you mean.

[Slinky]

thats pretty nice camo

[miguelhc]

CQB, TallGirl, now the links are working, what if we all delete the posts regarding the links not working? That would help the reading. What do you say?

[G-Capo]

Thanks for posting the images :)

I only had small images of these.

Thanks man.

[CQB_Operator]

nice pics miguelhc :hug:

[RGRBOX]

Camo looks ok... but the equipment looks cheap... Chinese contract???

[G-Capo]

Those are Israeli Galil and US M-60's

We make them ourselves in weapons making plants.

For more information go here

http://www.indumil.gov.co/contenido.asp

[miguelhc]

Some reserve units still use the old M-14. I guess it must be a logistical problem, with 5.56 and 7.62 weapons in use.

The Galil is a good weapon. When the IDF opened the bid for a new AR, they tried the AK-47, the M-16 and the Galil. Galil was the best of the three (none of them complied with the harsh requirements posted by the IDF, though).

What I don't get is why they used the nightmare fire selector of the AK-47, that makes you take your hand of of the grip in order to operate it.

As a sidenote: now they are using this very effective camo, at least they could spray-paint their ARs in green/tan. Why ruin the effect with black rifles?

[G-Capo]

Weapons we use range from South African to Israeli and American.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/giann53/Cuerpo_Elite_Antiterrorista.jpg
Galil's and SS-77's South African Machine guns and grenade launcher.

Trusty M-16 some have the M203 attached underneath
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/giann53/microsThumb.jpg

M-4
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/giann53/colum1.jpg

Another M-4
http://www.ejercito.mil.co/recursos_user/imagenes/fondos/en-operaciones.jpg

Galil
http://www.ejercito.mil.co/recursos_user/imagenes/fondos/entrenamiento-antisecuestro.jpg

Other weapons used are the Negev,M-60 all varients including E4.M249.Some more that I'am missing aswell.

[p$ycho+log!cal]

nice pics!!!!
explosions in the background make them cool :D

[tunnalrat]

The Columbians in the Sinai are not with the UN they are part of the Multinational Force and Observers, who have been doing peace keeping there since 1982. The UN who pulled out of the Sinai some time in 1981, however I am not sure. More information can be found at the MFO Website: http://www.mfo.org/site_tree/9/38/base.asp

And yes the new camouflage is really cool….

[miguelencanarias]

The Columbians in the Sinai are not with the UN they are part of the Multinational Force and Observers, who have been doing peace keeping there since 1982. The UN who pulled out of the Sinai some time in 1981, however I am not sure. More information can be found at the MFO Website: http://www.mfo.org/site_tree/9/38/base.asp

And yes the new camouflage is really cool….

True, true. My mistake. I knew they were part of the MFO, but in my ignorance I thought the MFO were part of an UN mission.

[Supe]

For the last time veer: ITALIAN CAMOUFLAGE IS NOT DIGITAL.

http://www.esercito.difesa.it/root/Uniformi/unif_servcombnew.asp

At first I thought new Italian uniform was digital camo, just smaller pixels. It appears you are correct - one source (http://www.kamouflage.net/camouflage/en_00130.php) (check swatch) says it is designed with computers (what isn't these days?) but does not incorporate pixels ala CADPAT/MARPAT.

http://img428.imageshack.us/img428/2653/1293i9ov.th.jpg (http://img428.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1293i9ov.jpg)

Photo courtesy of Hyperstealth.

[Nickel1106]

ah nice gears
great pix man :)

[miguelencanarias]

The guys at the Colombian Army website told me the Army was issuing the new camos next month.

[G-Capo]

The guys at the Colombian Army website told me the Army was issuing the new camos next month.

Which site is that UNFFMM?

[miguelencanarias]

Which site is that UNFFMM?
http://www.ejercito.mil.co/

[ed316]

Looks effective.

[budgie]

Bout time the army and FARC wore different patterns...

[miguelencanarias]

Bout time the army and FARC wore different patterns...
So true. Wearing both US Woodland wasn't the best thing for either side. I assume the FARC were not using their large armbands with the Colombian flag in combat, so the only way to tell one from another at a distance were the rubber boots the FARC use (and of course the kalashnikovs).

I hope the Colombian Army terminates the damn guerrillas soon.

[Lazarou]

Good looking camo.


The Galil is a good weapon. When the IDF opened the bid for a new AR, they tried the AK-47, the M-16 and the Galil. Galil was the best of the three (none of them complied with the harsh requirements posted by the IDF, though).

Not exactly. The new Israeli assault rifle was selected by the IDF from two competing designs, the one of Uziel Gal, and the other of Israel Galili. Galili's design team tested various weapons, such as the M16 and the AK and noticed the good characteristics of the 5.56 NATO round, but preferred the simple and reliable construction of the AK. They selected the most modern AK-variant that was available back then, the Finnish Rk 62 (http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3368/rk623ge.jpg), as the basis of the new weapon, rechambered it for the 5.56 round and made a few modifications like added a thumb safety lever and an FAL-type type folding stock. The first Galils were made by using machinery and blueprints bought from Valmet, the manufacturer of the original Rk 62.


What I don't get is why they used the nightmare fire selector of the AK-47, that makes you take your hand of of the grip in order to operate it.

Because the selector lever also operates as an ejection port cover. And as I said, the Galil has a thumb safety as well.

[G-Capo]

Also note in the northern tip of Colombia 'La Guajira' is also all desert.The digital camo desert version will also be used there.

Thank you miguelencanarias.I pray for no more war...

[miguelencanarias]

When you open the desert pattern picture, check right below the tip of the Galil barrel in the foreground: in the background you will see a soldier kneeling giving his back to the observer.

I have seen the picture many times and this is the first time I notice the guy in the background!!

That is how effective the new Colombian pattern is.

[ZoneOne]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3481&d=1141219710

That picture looks FAKE

[miguelencanarias]

You mean the explosions? They probably were photoshoped, but who cares.

[G-Capo]

Miguel I just noticed that aswell.I didin't even see that before.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/G-Capo/colombia03.jpg

[kineret]

i hate the Galil. Big dumb heavy weapon. Wish we had HKs instead of these caveman clubs.

[miguelencanarias]

Kineret, correct me if I am wrong but the IDF has almost completely switched to M4 long time ago, right? I think somebody told me they only used Galils in armoured divisions.

[G-Capo]

Kineret,We use a variety of weapons.We are also going to make a 7.62mm rifle for our Armed Forces.Until then we use the Galil and other weapons from Negev too M-16 and M-4.

Our Police force ordered some Tavors too if I recall.

[kineret]

Kineret, correct me if I am wrong but the IDF has almost completely switched to M4 long time ago, right? I think somebody told me they only used Galils in armoured divisions.


yea its mostly M4s now. The reserves still use galils and uzis. not a big fan of M4 either. I'd take a russian or german weapons over these any day.

[kineret]

Kineret,We use a variety of weapons.We are also going to make a 7.62mm rifle for our Armed Forces.Until then we use the Galil and other weapons from Negev too M-16 and M-4.

Our Police force ordered some Tavors too if I recall.


never shot the Tavor so cant say anything about it. Hope it works out for you guys. It seems everyone is getting the tavors except for IDF lol.

[ed316]

G-Capo, you guys don't like the free stuff we give yall?

[G-Capo]

G-Capo, you guys don't like the free stuff we give yall?

Of course we do.

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20060228/capt.5ddf621740e54355a520b88751080b70.colombia_rebels_attack_xfv103.jpg

We buy stuff too Ed :)

[ed316]

I know. I was referring to Plan Colombia.

[G-Capo]

Plan Colombia is good,But we need better/more weapons.Like Cobra or Apache,Some F-16's too.

These can be found in the US boneyard just laying in waste.

Also the US has some 6,000 M-60's in the desert.They would be great service to us :).

In other news we bought some new 155mm guns from Spain.

link http://www.lne.es/secciones/noticia.jsp?pIdNoticia=364398&pIdSeccion=31&pNumEjemplar=1147

Does any one know what model gun this is,I cant find a pic for it.

[ed316]

Those boneyards are use as part's shop. With all the commitment taht we have I bet those workers are running around looking for parts left and right.

[G-Capo]

Possible possible.But what about M-60 :)

[ed316]

Probably going to be given away.

[kineret]

Possible possible.But what about M-60 :)


what can colombia possibly do with M-60s? even the up-armored ones. You cant bring em to the northwestern jungles that FARC controls. You can put em in a museum. Colombia needs choppers and small, fast patrol vehicles, not bulky old armor like m60.

[RGRBOX]

what can colombia possibly do with M-60s? even the up-armored ones. You cant bring em to the northwestern jungles that FARC controls. You can put em in a museum. Colombia needs choppers and small, fast patrol vehicles, not bulky old armor like m60.

It's called Urban combat.. something if your in the Isreali military should know... not many tanks and APC are used on the vast plans of desert in your AO..? mostly in the cities..

[kineret]

It's called Urban combat.. something if your in the Isreali military should know... not many tanks and APC are used on the vast plans of desert in your AO..? mostly in the cities..


Colombian army AO isnt urban, but jungle warfare. Putting a tank into an urban area is like using a shovel for surgery. Tanks are useless in dense jungles and cloud forests, which is the primary terrain where FARC operates. I dont know, maybe they need the armor for other things.

[RGRBOX]

Colombian army AO isnt urban, but jungle warfare. Putting a tank into an urban area is like using a shovel for surgery. Tanks are useless in dense jungles and cloud forests, which is the primary terrain where FARC operates. I dont know, maybe they need the armor for other things.

Really... when was the last ime you were in Columbia... I know it's been about 18 years ago since I was last there.. but there are cities over there.. and tanks help a lot... not so much for manover then for a moving bunker that shoots ... and putting a few on a road block works as well.. you see over there, there are lots of things they can be used for... at least when I was last there.. but maybe they go rid of those cities, like Bogata, and Cali, and grew more jungle..

[Daniel]

Tanks are useless in dense jungles and cloud forests, which is the primary terrain where FARC operates..

i daresay the diggers from Vietnam who had tank support would disagree with that.

[Telnyashka]

...they joined the selected club of countries using digital camos (Canada, USA, Italia, Finland and Jordan).


Don't forget Russia ;)

[G-Capo]

We need tanks badly.The closest thing to a tank we have is the Brazilian EE-9.

We are the only country in South American not to have a tank.Hell even poor ass Bolivia have tracked tanks.

Some images of cities in Colombia were tanks could be used.

http://www.uniandes.edu.co/Colombia/Fotos/cali.jpg

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/amnesty-alpes/campagne/colombie/images/medellin.jpg

http://www.seanparnell.com/Wedding/Medellin/Medellin-1104.JPG


http://solar.physics.montana.edu/munoz/Bogota-noche.jpg

[kineret]

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/amnesty-alpes/campagne/colombie/images/medellin.jpg




reminds me of hills in Rio. Do you guys also call them 'favelas' ?

[G-Capo]

Funny guy Kineret,We are only a devoloping nation man :(

Not bad considering we have a better economy than Pakistan.

[kineret]

Funny guy Kineret,We are only a devoloping nation man :(

Not bad considering we have a better economy than Pakistan.


I didnt mean it as an insult. those suburbs that extend into the mountains outside the city, they call them 'favelas' in brazil. nothing to do with economy. Colombia is Im sure a relatively wealthy nation, Id definitely would love to visit some day. Ive been to Brazil, absolutely loved it there.

[SpetsNazCU]

Weapons we use range from South African to Israeli and American.

Other weapons used are the Negev,M-60 all varients including E4.M249.Some more that I'am missing aswell.

Can't decide which to stay stay with or just bought low priced overstocks from other armies?

[G-Capo]

I didnt mean it as an insult. those suburbs that extend into the mountains outside the city, they call them 'favelas' in brazil. nothing to do with economy. Colombia is Im sure a relatively wealthy nation, Id definitely would love to visit some day. Ive been to Brazil, absolutely loved it there.

Ohh I see,There are alot of Brazilians in Israel from what I hear [Have a friend there].

Any way thanks.


Mi amigo Cubano :)

No man we buy them new and production rights.For different units.Much like the US does in Iraq,Some use M-14 somes use M-4's.

[maple.leaf]

What's all this got to do with the new uniforms?

Question: are they truly "digital" or just pixilated? And does anyone know
how they were developed?

[miguelencanarias]

Maple, I believe they are Chinese-made from digital designs (pixelated). As for who exactly designed the pattern, I have contacted the Colombian Army but they haven't responded yet.

By the way: I started the thread, only by a different nickname: miguelhc instead of miguelencanarias.

[miguelencanarias]

As for Colombia, I have to say it is one of the most beautiful countries I have ever visited (Cartagena, Barranquilla, Santa Marta, Tayrona Park...)

Beautiful people too. They take hospitality to limits unheard of in other countries. Too bad all the problems with war and drugs.

And let me tell you: you haven't seen a beautiful woman until you visit that country. They are out of this world.