Kazaa

[hank]

I just went to dinner with the wife and a couple that we are friendly with and I got some interesting news on Kazaa.

A friend of theirs from Cookeville, TN ( small town with a smallish TN univ named TN Tech) was still using Kazaa as of about 3 weeks ago and downloaded 6 songs by Pearl Jam. Then about 2 weeks ago he got a letter from his internet sevice provider about a subpoena to get his personal info. Then he got a letter - I don't know if it was a lawsuit or just fines - that said he owed $2500 per song. He ended up "settling" for $3000 total.

That was the story anyway. The details are funny and some don't make sense - plus it is second hand. I am going to try to find out more b/c their is something fishy about this. He never had a lawyer and our friends did not have a lot of details. I'll work on that and pass along ASAP.

I wonder if anybody has heard anything like this in a small town like Cookeville?

Is anyone still downloading from Kazaa?

hank

[memphiz]

i still download from there, but im in Canada, im untouchable

[Operation Ivy]

that sucks :|

I dont got Kaza cause my internet like doesnt like Kaza :|

[Hullebullen]

...sounds very strange to me...me thinks your friend was hustled...

[Seraphim]

i still download from there, but im in Canada, im untouchable



CTV.ca News Staff

Canada's recording industry is threatening to launch legal action against Canadian Internet users who illegally share music files online.

The head of the Canadian Recording Industry Association, Brian Robertson, says his organization will target Internet music uploaders who allow people to access music stored on their computer hard drives.

Robertson says the music industry has been "devastated" by file sharing. He says his group has spent more than $1 million on "a value-of-music public education campaign,'' but the file-swapping continues.

According to CRIA, which represents Canada's major record labels, sales of compact discs in Canada have fallen by $450 million, or 23 per cent since 1999.

Robertson would not say when the legal action would be launched, noting "it would be sooner, rather than later.'' He said the legal action would be similar to lawsuits filed in the United States.

In September, the Recording Industry Association of America launched 261 lawsuits against users who uploaded or shared files using software like Kazaa. The targets included a 12-year-old girl who settled her case for $2,000 US and a 71-year-old Texas grandfather.

But there are some doubts about whether similar lawsuits would be successful here, since Canadian laws on reproducing music for personal use differ.

For example, it has been legal in Canada since 1998 to make a single copy of a recording for personal use, such as copying a CD onto your hard drive or MP3 player. But the practice is illegal in the U.S.

But under the Copyright Act, it remains illegal to give or sell a CD copy to a friend, since it's not for personal use. In the same vein, distributing copies to friends online is prohibited.

Last week, the Copyright Board of Canada gave the go-ahead on a new levy for MP3 digital audio recorders with non-removable memory. The board ordered tariff of up to $25 be applied to recorders, depending on the size of their memory.

The fight to add levies on recordable devices was spearheaded by a group representing the music industry, the Canadian Private Copying Collective, which wanted compensation for lost sales.

The group, which collects the tariffs on behalf of performers, songwriters and music producers, argued that more money was needed to compensate them because of the widespread practice of downloading music.

Meanwhile, SOCAN, the Society of Composers, Authors and Music Publishers of Canada, is arguing before the Supreme Court of Canada that Internet service providers should pay a blanket royalty fee since so many users are downloading music.

They say that because of illegal downloads of copyrighted content, ISPs should pay a blanket annual royalty -- regardless of whether the ISP is transmitting legal or illegally downloaded music.

Jay Thomson, president of the Ottawa-based Canadian Association of Internet Providers says if the suit is successful, consumers could see an increase in their Internet costs and a slowdown in the transmission speed of their Internet communications.

A decision is expected next year.

[kinghk]

that sucks :|

I dont got Kaza cause my internet like doesnt like Kaza :|

What?

[memphiz]

i still download from there, but im in Canada, im untouchable



CTV.ca News Staff

Canada's recording industry is threatening to launch legal action against Canadian Internet users who illegally share music files online.

The head of the Canadian Recording Industry Association, Brian Robertson, says his organization will target Internet music uploaders who allow people to access music stored on their computer hard drives.

Robertson says the music industry has been "devastated" by file sharing. He says his group has spent more than $1 million on "a value-of-music public education campaign,'' but the file-swapping continues.

According to CRIA, which represents Canada's major record labels, sales of compact discs in Canada have fallen by $450 million, or 23 per cent since 1999.

Robertson would not say when the legal action would be launched, noting "it would be sooner, rather than later.'' He said the legal action would be similar to lawsuits filed in the United States.

In September, the Recording Industry Association of America launched 261 lawsuits against users who uploaded or shared files using software like Kazaa. The targets included a 12-year-old girl who settled her case for $2,000 US and a 71-year-old Texas grandfather.

But there are some doubts about whether similar lawsuits would be successful here, since Canadian laws on reproducing music for personal use differ.

For example, it has been legal in Canada since 1998 to make a single copy of a recording for personal use, such as copying a CD onto your hard drive or MP3 player. But the practice is illegal in the U.S.

But under the Copyright Act, it remains illegal to give or sell a CD copy to a friend, since it's not for personal use. In the same vein, distributing copies to friends online is prohibited.

Last week, the Copyright Board of Canada gave the go-ahead on a new levy for MP3 digital audio recorders with non-removable memory. The board ordered tariff of up to $25 be applied to recorders, depending on the size of their memory.

The fight to add levies on recordable devices was spearheaded by a group representing the music industry, the Canadian Private Copying Collective, which wanted compensation for lost sales.

The group, which collects the tariffs on behalf of performers, songwriters and music producers, argued that more money was needed to compensate them because of the widespread practice of downloading music.

Meanwhile, SOCAN, the Society of Composers, Authors and Music Publishers of Canada, is arguing before the Supreme Court of Canada that Internet service providers should pay a blanket royalty fee since so many users are downloading music.

They say that because of illegal downloads of copyrighted content, ISPs should pay a blanket annual royalty -- regardless of whether the ISP is transmitting legal or illegally downloaded music.

Jay Thomson, president of the Ottawa-based Canadian Association of Internet Providers says if the suit is successful, consumers could see an increase in their Internet costs and a slowdown in the transmission speed of their Internet communications.

A decision is expected next year.


untouchable ;)

[EYE SPY]

If your dumb enough to continue to use programs like Kazaa you dont even deserve to be able to settle. Stupidity should be expensive.

It is mind boggling to me that anybody would use Kazaa, or Morpheus or some other service that has hit the media waves and the government has been actively cracking down on that particular service( Kazaa) for over a year now.

Jesus, just use Bit Torrent or WinMX or any DC++.

Sure its not as pretty as Kazaa, but it is safer.

Ive said to much now, i must hide from the RIAA

[kinghk]

I just went to dinner with the wife and a couple that we are friendly with and I got some interesting news on Kazaa.

A friend of theirs from Cookeville, TN ( small town with a smallish TN univ named TN Tech) was still using Kazaa as of about 3 weeks ago and downloaded 6 songs by Pearl Jam. Then about 2 weeks ago he got a letter from his internet sevice provider about a subpoena to get his personal info. Then he got a letter - I don't know if it was a lawsuit or just fines - that said he owed $2500 per song. He ended up "settling" for $3000 total.

That was the story anyway. The details are funny and some don't make sense - plus it is second hand. I am going to try to find out more b/c their is something fishy about this. He never had a lawyer and our friends did not have a lot of details. I'll work on that and pass along ASAP.

I wonder if anybody has heard anything like this in a small town like Cookeville?

Is anyone still downloading from Kazaa?

hank

Kazaa is crap, I'm using dc instead. Getting a 15000$ lawsuit for downloading 6 songs, is beyond all limits of common sense, although he manged to settle it for 3000$. I have seen letters written to ISP's here in Norway by lawfirms working on the behalf of the big entertainment companys (Warner, BMG...) and the "penalty" to the end user is if any is a letter from the ISP with the threat to end the subscription.

[George W. Bush]

The funniest is when people complain that they are being fined. It's like going robbing a convenience store in broad daylight and then complaining to the judge that you got caught.

[Seoulstriker]

as GI Joe would say:

"Hey kid! I'm a computah! STOP ALL THE DOWNLOADIN'!" ;)

[Operation Ivy]

that sucks :|

I dont got Kaza cause my internet like doesnt like Kaza :|

What?

hehe its hard to explain :D

[kinghk]

The funniest is when people complain that they are being fined. It's like going robbing a convenience store in broad daylight and then complaining to the judge that you got caught.

There is a big difference here. If you steel a cd, will you get fined $15000 ?

[George W. Bush]

no, you are not stealing a CD, you are in possession of illegally reproduced copyrighted format. piracy crimes are more harsh than petty crime

[California Joe]

Don't these people realize that the internet is not a tool for downloading bootleg music?

It's for looking at ****. Jeez.

[George W. Bush]

I wonder if the MPAA will start going after people for downloading DVD-ripped ****.

The **** industry must be suffering!

[Rantanplan]

I'm downloading **** with Kazaa right now.

[Maine Finn]

I dunno... I've gotten some really good stuff that I haven't been able to find in the stores.... I have a bit of a soft spot for Fintelligens, which is what I'm downloading at the moment. I don't believe their CDs are available in the States.

[Maine Finn]

I really like Sarah Brightman too... her voice is amazing.... (I had a Phantom Of The Opera Highlights cassette, and I wore it out because I listened to it all the time. Then I burnt a copy of my friend's Phantom CD, which was the full soundtrack, and now I'm always listening to that.)

So I'm a sucker for a good Broadway musical....

But my all-time favourite stuff to listen to is Finnish hip-hop.... I've only been able to get it off Kazaa...

[kinghk]

I dunno... I've gotten some really good stuff that I haven't been able to find in the stores.... I have a bit of a soft spot for Fintelligens, which is what I'm downloading at the moment. I don't believe their CDs are available in the States.

Whats "Fintelligens" ? Anyway, thanks to the internet you can probably buy whatever you are downloading from a webshop.

[kinghk]

no, you are not stealing a CD, you are in possession of illegally reproduced copyrighted format. piracy crimes are more harsh than petty crime

Illegally reporduced? It is perfectly legal where I live. Downloading music and movies are legal, but not to spread it.

[Maine Finn]

They're a Finnish hip-hop group.

I've tried searching for them on a bunch of the online CD stores like Amazon. No dice. When I searched with MSN, I found most of the pages that had anything to do with were in Finnish so I couldn't read them. Damn details.

[Jack Mehoff]

This is all the movies i've copy in 2003-2004 http://www.teamwarfare.com/forums/smilies/fu.gif

http://img21.photobucket.com/albums/v63/NastyBurger/disk.jpg[/img]

[kinghk]

This is all the movies i've burned in 2003-2004

Homemade ****o with you and your wife?

[Jack Mehoff]

This is all the movies i've burned in 2003-2004

Homemade ****o with you and your wife?

I'm thinking about it, but NO.

[kinghk]

This is all the movies i've burned in 2003-2004

Homemade ****o with you and your wife?

I'm thinking about it, but NO.

I'm all for it but my GF says no.

[Maine Finn]

Bully for her, then.

:)

[kinghk]

They're a Finnish hip-hop group.

I've tried searching for them on a bunch of the online CD stores like Amazon. No dice. When I searched with MSN, I found most of the pages that had anything to do with were in Finnish so I couldn't read them. Damn details.

How can you be finnish if you don't speak it?

Huva peiva suomi kulta.

[Seoulstriker]

This is all the movies i've burned in 2003-2004

Homemade ****o with you and your wife?

I'm thinking about it, but NO.

if you do decide, make sure you get the camera recommended by:

http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/pzavisla/hostedmilitaryimages/paris-recommends.jpg

[Maine Finn]

Erm, that's easy....
I didn't say I couldn't speak it... I just can't read it or write it.

Ole hyvä?

Minun aiti is a pure-bred.

Not sure how you'd say "half-Finn", considering there are significant differences in terms of dialect.

[kinghk]

This is all the movies i've burned in 2003-2004

Homemade ****o with you and your wife?

I'm thinking about it, but NO.

if you do decide, make sure you get the camera recommended by:

http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/pzavisla/hostedmilitaryimages/paris-recommends.jpg

That movie sucks. Way to dark to see anything. Get some real ****o instead.

[Rantanplan]

The quality of the Peris Hilton Video was awful. I wouldn't buy this Cam

[kinghk]

About Paris Hilton. Her grandfather was norwegian, and here is one of her redneck relatives:
http://www.vg.no/bilder/bildarkiv/1067675808.jpg

[kinghk]

Erm, that's easy....
I didn't say I couldn't speak it... I just can't read it or write it.


Thats not odd, if i hit my keyboard with my head,it would look like i'm writing finnish.

[Maine Finn]

Like this?


"....Minnää rakastan suomalaisen tyttää..."

[kinghk]

Like this?


"....Minnää rakastan suomalaisen tyttää..."

Yeah, except for the fact that i have no ä button on my keyboard.

[Maine Finn]

I don't either.... but that's what Microsoft Word is for.

[kinghk]

I don't either.... but that's what Microsoft Word is for.

Nah, word is for making text documents 10 times larger than pure text.

[Maine Finn]

That too. But you gotta love the "Insert symbol" feature....

[Seoulstriker]

i know very little foreign language, so hear it goes:

spierdalaj, ty chuju. twoja mama to jest kurwa pierdolona.

and

http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/pzavisla/hostedmilitaryimages/greek.jpg

i know a lot more greek than that, but i memorized those few words.

greek rocks.

[Maine Finn]

It's all Greek to me....

[kinghk]

That too. But you gotta love the "Insert symbol" feature....

Nah, I happend to use the only OS named after a common finnish firstname.

[memphiz]

oh i got some foriegn language
for Jack: DO-MA-NHIEU
:D

[mustamato]

DC++ is the way to go. You can use a program called PeerGuardian, then
these monkeyboys can´t download your filelist an so forth. And even if they
can it´s illegal, atleast here in Sweden, for them to trace my Internet traffic,
only the Internet provider is allowed to do that, and only during certain
circumstances. In the near future programs can encrypt what you are downloading
for the Internet provider as well, so instead of FLT-BW1.bin they´ll only see
"et´riefiwert34tft Eef".

By the way MainFinn, here is some more Finnish hip-hop for you

http://www.ezkimoriimit.com/ (videos)

http://www.markiisi-skandaali.com/ (audio/video)

http://www.pikkug.com/ (sisään - download - music video)

http://www.biitti.com/seremoniamestari/ (mp3/video)

http://salaseura.vaasa.net/ (audio)

http://listen.to/jusaname (audio)

http://www.rockindanorth.com/ (audio - video)

[citizen-k]

Don't these people realize that the internet is not a tool for downloading bootleg music?

It's for looking at ****. Jeez.

Right! But not top quality one- we don't steal art!

[EYE SPY]

There's a Finnish Hip Hop now? :roll:

When will "rebellious" white kids realise that Hip Hop is not juts music but its an element of black culture. They are not rebelling against their parents, they are just being phonies.

Black people get more irritated at the site of some blonde douche with dredlocks than white people do.

[hank]

no, you are not stealing a CD, you are in possession of illegally reproduced copyrighted format. piracy crimes are more harsh than petty crime

Illegally reporduced? It is perfectly legal where I live. Downloading music and movies are legal, but not to spread it.

Incorrect - if you download music protected under the US copyright laws you break US law - admittedly the US would have serious difficulties enforcing that law against you in a foreign country unless your government helped US get their hands on you - but that is not the point. As someone else said here - it is the music (specifically the intellectual property meaning the idea that create the song) that is protected not just the CD itself.

hank

[hank]

...sounds very strange to me...me thinks your friend was hustled...

You may be right.

If it was a lawsuit and the guy did not have a lawyer then he has a possible malpractice case against the record companies lawyers. Courts do not generally like civil settlements with unrepresented defendants. But the way they described it to me it does not cound like a lawsuit - or maybe not a specific lawsuit against this guy in Cookeville. If it were lawsuit he would have to have gotten a complaint, summons, etc. - that apparently did not happen.

The other option is a fine - but then I wonder why they, whoever they is, would reduce it. I mean if you got 6 speeding tickets they would not write down the total amount of the tickets now would they.

I admit it is strange indeed and I will try toget more info.

Still, I think I would stay away from Kazaa in the US if it were me or if I were advising you as a lawyer, which I am not.

hank

[Maine Finn]

Thanks Mustamato.

EYE SPY - Yeah, there's Finnish hip-hip. It's been around for a couple of years. Pretty good stuff, if you ask me. I like it a lot.

[NcDeuce]

I just know that we do joint training with TN Tech. They have a badass Captain, ex 7th SFG and 75th. And several of our cadets are from Cookeville.

Kazaa sucks!

[hank]

I just know that we do joint training with TN Tech. They have a badass Captain, ex 7th SFG and 75th. And several of our cadets are from Cookeville.

Kazaa sucks!

Ask them if they have heard of this. My source is second hand admittedly. It may be BS. Kazaa does suck.

hank

[shorty]

Is the RIAA still gonna bust you if all you do is look at ****? :lol:

[mustamato]

There's a Finnish Hip Hop now? :roll:

When will "rebellious" white kids realise that Hip Hop is not juts music but its an element of black culture. They are not rebelling against their parents, they are just being phonies.

Black people get more irritated at the site of some blonde douche with dredlocks than white people do.

http://www.rockindanorth.com/skandaali/eskandaaliyor.jpg

Well, they atleast try to be black americans, but fail miserably :)

[Seraphim]

OK the "full video" you seen of Paris isnt the full video...its just a snippet. The real full version has the lights on. That pic looks photoshopped by the way. Im still a Canon fan.

[UkrainianAmerican]

There's a Finnish Hip Hop now? :roll:

When will "rebellious" white kids realise that Hip Hop is not juts music but its an element of black culture. They are not rebelling against their parents, they are just being phonies.

Black people get more irritated at the site of some blonde douche with dredlocks than white people do.

http://www.rockindanorth.com/skandaali/eskandaaliyor.jpg

Well, they atleast try to be black americans, but fail miserably :)

rofl rofl rofl
FITTY would shoot their tiny balls off in no time.

[Maine Finn]

Who? I don't listen to American music if I can help it.

[mustamato]

rofl rofl rofl
FITTY would shoot their tiny balls off in no time.

http://www.fifty-cent.org/50_Cent_pictures/50_cent_Mp3s.jpg

Honestly I don´t think he would like Finland,
don´t know why though :roll:

[George W. Bush]

http://lisag.com/photos/mar03/50%20Cent%20&%20LG.jpg

This mental midget right here..

[mocking_loudly_died]

I'm using file topia for all my nefarious shady bootlegging.
No problems / issues so far.

Legal wise I'm well use to telling APRA to f*ck off and it's most enjoyable.

[Maine Finn]

http://lisag.com/photos/mar03/50%20Cent%20&%20LG.jpg

This mental midget right here..
Never heard of him.

This is who I listen to most often:

http://www.sarah-brightman.com/gallery/6.jpg
(I love her voice.... wish I could sing like that!)

and

http://www.sonymusic.fi/biokuvat_2001/fintell.jpg