Kerry admits to war crimes.

[Sixgun Symphony]

*click here to listen* (http://www.streamload.com/jmstein77/Kerry2.mp3)

[George W. Bush]

Nutjob. Kerry that is. :lol:

[fred_engles]

Damn, Sixgun, you're tiresome.

[George W. Bush]

Go Bush. The lesser of the two evils.

[flickme]

Ya. I say go Bush too.

[kinghk]

Whatever Kerry did, atleast they sent him somewhere where his largest problem was to survice, while Bush's largest consern was to avoid injuries while he was drunk in the offisers mess while being educated pilot on a near obsolete plane.

[[AFSOC]]

eh?

That doesnt even sound like him first of all....

You right wingers sound soo desperate juss because John Kerry is the Democratic Nominee.

Even if John KErry did **** like that....who DIDNt in VIETNAM, Vietnam was a mistake and if you listen to that...the main word there was ORDERED.

PEople like Colin Powell did bad things over there too, for example a massacre that he was ORDERED to cover up.

[Beowulf]

]eh?

That doesnt even sound like him first of all....

You right wingers sound soo desperate juss because John Kerry is the Democratic Nominee.

Even if John KErry did **** like that....who DIDNt in VIETNAM, Vietnam was a mistake and if you listen to that...the main word there was ORDERED.

PEople like Colin Powell did bad things over there too, for example a massacre that he was ORDERED to cover up.

Nuremberg....

[Sixgun Symphony]

AFSOC,

Your conspiracy theories must have come from someone wearing a tinfoil hat.


http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html

[shorty]

Naaaaahhhhh.................It came from the "All your base are belong to us," theory.....hehe....hehe......

[Jack Mehoff]

]eh?

That doesnt even sound like him first of all....

You right wingers sound soo desperate juss because John Kerry is the Democratic Nominee.

Even if John KErry did **** like that....who DIDNt in VIETNAM, Vietnam was a mistake and if you listen to that...the main word there was ORDERED.



wow! WTF? Are you ****ing insulting U.S. servicemen? I guess you are right, ALL of us are nothing but ruthless baby killers



PEople like Colin Powell did bad things over there too, for example a massacre that he was ORDERED to cover up
There are three lies: lies, damn lies and statistics

SOURCE?

[Gringo]

I want a third candidate! What about Clyde the orangatangue from "Every Which Way But Loose"? He'll do a much better job then Kerry and Bush put together.

[HELEX]

Well, Bush has no Problem sending poor Bastards into death for his own Profit. Would Kerry do this? I think he would not.

[Seoulstriker]

Well, Bush has no Problem sending poor Bastards into death for his own Profit. Would Kerry do this? I think he would not.

:roll:

kerry wants to end the war on terrorism, and to negotiate with terrorist regimes. :roll:

[THE_Dorff]

Kerry is definately the lesser of two evils, Bush's foreign policies are postively draconian, I think there needs to be some newblood in the whitehouse- and people worldwide need to be able to have a little more confidence in the "leader of the free world"... And thats not to mention our pussyfooting primeminister Tony Blair who seems to succeed to all of Bush's demands, HE needs to grow a bit of backbone and put his foot down...Our "special relationship" only seems to come to the surface when the American government needs something from us...

Bush never belonged in the whitehouse, but good old jeb managed to get him in anyway...

Regarding Kerry and terrorists- Kerry as a Vietnam veteran understands as a soldier the "Quagmire" of Vietnam which is ever so relevant with the situation in Iraq- personally i would like to see all allied troops withdrawn in order to stem the ongoing flow of allied casualties. THAT however would be irresponsible and would negate the very reason that we went to war in the first place... Regarding his attitude on the war on terror- I have just written a paper on that, most odern day terrorism is spawned from poverty and social injustice that these terrorists are undergoing- BUT NO MATTER HOW MUCH "negotiating" Kerry does, no matter what ANYONE does, terrorism will ALWAYS be around and it will continue to affect us in the west. The only way to combat this is force, the use our troops based on intelligence fed to us from various intelligence agencies...

This will probably encourage many sycophantic responses, just try and digest what i have said before you reply. I'm studying international politics and strategic studies in England, going onto a commission with the Royal ghurka Rifles in 2006- I'm not anti american- In fact I would defend America in a firefight as if it was my own,and would hold no qualms on going to theatre (as we are now) in order to defend our democratic institutions...on principle- but this doesn't mean that I totally agree with everything that Bush seems to spoon feed the world's media...

B

[Seoulstriker]

Kerry is definately the lesser of two evils, Bush's foreign policies are postively draconian, I think there needs to be some newblood in the whitehouse- and people worldwide need to be able to have a little more confidence in the "leader of the free world"... And thats not to mention our pussyfooting primeminister Tony Blair who seems to succeed to all of Bush's demands, HE needs to grow a bit of backbone and put his foot down...Our "special relationship" only seems to come to the surface when the American government needs something from us...

Bush never belonged in the whitehouse, but good old jeb managed to get him in anyway...

This will probably encourage many sycophantic responses, just try and digest what i have said before you reply. I'm studying international politics and strategic studies in England, going onto a commission with the Royal ghurka Rifles in 2006- I'm not anti american- In fact I would defend America in a firefight as if it was my own,and would hold no qualms on going to theatre (as we are now) in order to defend our democratic institutions...on principle- but this doesn't mean that I totally agree with everything that Bush seems to spoon feed the world's media...

B


ummmmm... i don't think the american people wants to have another clinton who his weak on national security. bush is doing everything he can to protect us from terrorism, something kerry promises he would roll back. :roll:

i guess anything that makes the US worse off is better for you, right?

[THE_Dorff]

definately not- the US is the flagship for western democracy and acts as the primary "guardian" for fellow democratic countries... Any attack on US has an effect on the UK, therefore the maintainance (sp?) of US national Security is of the utmost importance. With the current trend of anti-US sentiment and terrorist activity- i dont agree with kerry's policies of spending less in that area, however with most democratic/republican presidents you will always see a lesser/greater spending respectively on the military and national security...

B

[Seoulstriker]

so why would kerry be the lesser of two evils?

[Gringo]

Vote Clyde! Clyde for President!

[THE_Dorff]

I think you will be able to agree that Bush has been rather slated by the worlds press... Bush doesnt even have an agenda for his next term, but knowing Bush- there will be a major event in Iraq or other theatre two weeks before the actual election that will surely help bush's polls somewhat!

I believe he's 9 points behind at the moment...mind you when it comes to the election i think its going to be really close!

B

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Is Kerry like Bush a member of the Yale Skull and Bones Society I heard this suggested last year anything said on this subject on the other side of the pond.

[HELEX]

I will ask you a simple question:

Could have increased defence Budget stopped 9-11? No!

Will it stop any terrorist attack in Future? No!

Is the Missile defense able to stop an attack with more than 2 or 3 ICBMs? No!

Is it easy to smuggle a nuclear Bomb through the american Borders? Yes!

Growing the defense Budget against Terrorism means having 200 Guns in your cellar when an Intruder stands next to your Bed pointing a Gun to your head while sleeping. It is 100% useless.....

[2Sheds_Jackson]

I will ask you a simple question:

Could have increased defence Budget stopped 9-11? No!

Will it stop any terrorist attack in Future? No!

Is the Missile defense able to stop an attack with more than 2 or 3 ICBMs? No!

Is it easy to smuggle a nuclear Bomb through the american Borders? Yes!

Growing the defense Budget against Terrorism means having 200 Guns in your cellar when an Intruder stands next to your Bed pointing a Gun to your head while sleeping. It is 100% useless.....

Well then, you've settled it. We can all pack up & go home. Don't know why it took the rest of us so long to figure it out.

[hank]

Whatever Kerry did, atleast they sent him somewhere where his largest problem was to survice, while Bush's largest consern was to avoid injuries while he was drunk in the offisers mess while being educated pilot on a near obsolete plane.

unfounded allegation - back it up

hank

[hank]

Well, Bush has no Problem sending poor Bastards into death for his own Profit. Would Kerry do this? I think he would not.

Why do you say that Kerry would not? is there some reason? Why do you say poor people fought in Iraq/astan? is there some reason?

Probably not - but I figure what the heck I'll just ask.

hank

[hank]

I think you will be able to agree that Bush has been rather slated by the worlds press... Bush doesnt even have an agenda for his next term, but knowing Bush- there will be a major event in Iraq or other theatre two weeks before the actual election that will surely help bush's polls somewhat!

I believe he's 9 points behind at the moment...mind you when it comes to the election i think its going to be really close!

B

how well do you know him? I mean did Laura call and give you the scoop. CArl Rove maybe? Probably condi rice wasn't it?

So, tell us what they told you about ol' W's plans for the election? What are they going to do with that $150MM they have. Don't know?

Her's what they will do - exactly what Clinton did to poor ol' Dole - Bus h will spend Kerry into the ground. Get ready. That is what my buddy W will do.

hank

[ibstolidude]

I will ask you a simple question:

Could have increased defence Budget stopped 9-11? No!

Will it stop any terrorist attack in Future? No!

Is the Missile defense able to stop an attack with more than 2 or 3 ICBMs? No!

Is it easy to smuggle a nuclear Bomb through the american Borders? Yes!

Growing the defense Budget against Terrorism means having 200 Guns in your cellar when an Intruder stands next to your Bed pointing a Gun to your head while sleeping. It is 100% useless..... - that is the worst, most uneducated, least experienced post I have ever read in regards to AT security. (not including the Missile Defense comments)

By this logic - Is murder illegal? Does it still happen? Then I guess cops are worthless and should be disbanned.
By this logic - Do people speed and cause traffic violations? Are attempts made to curb this? Does it still happen? Then I guess all traffic laws should be removed and cops fired.

Where does this lack of logic end. - Anyone with a basic experience, understanding or study of AT will tell you (as in life) there are no 100% solutions or preventions, but through the hardening of targets and the limiting of opportunities for explotation you limited the "avenues of approach" and the scope of the damage that can be used. By limiting the number of accessable targets you also provide yourself with more likely coarses of action by the potential attackers.

And incidently
Will it stop any terrorist attack in Future? No! - it already has! and will again.

[HELEX]

@hank

Well G. W. Bush was born as a Millionaire, had never to work, ensured evading duty in Vietnam even by loosing his National Guard flying licence due to drinking, and ruined the oil company almost his Daddy gave him to Play with. Then he runs for Govenor helped by Daddys Friends. Then he gets President without beiing elected. Nothing wrong with it so far but then he starts an illegal attack war justifed by (Weapons of mass destruction, links to el kaida, bringing Democracy :lol: ) nothing, and poses in an Flight suit stating "I have seen combat." and "the war is over" and "the Iraqis welcome us(By firing RPGs at us ;) )". Than is even to much for me..... :roll:

[shorty]

I've got an idea. How about we ship all the damn foreigners out of the country, put them on a big island and practice shooting every warhead in our arsenal at them. Sounds like fun!!! woot Oh oh oh how about we close our borders and anyone that is caught trying to cross them is shot on site and their body is left in the street for display? woot That'll stop terrorism.............oh and I hate Kerry.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I've got an idea. How about we ship all the damn foreigners out of the country, put them on a big island and practice shooting every warhead in our arsenal at them. Sounds like fun!!! woot Oh oh oh how about we close our borders and anyone that is caught trying to cross them is shot on site and their body is left in the street for display? woot That'll stop terrorism.............oh and I hate Kerry.
Mmmm.......constructive suggestion, you must be a Native American then.

[Jack Mehoff]

Well, Bush has no Problem sending poor Bastards into death for his own Profit. Would Kerry do this? I think he would not.

You are clueless. Those poor bastards are VOLUNTEERS. They are mature enough to know what they are getting into when they signed their name under the dotted line. If my unit gets deploy to Iraq then so be it, NOBODY forced me to do this. I and all U.S. servicemen don't ****ing need your pity :roll:

[SFontaine]

@hank

Well G. W. Bush was born as a Millionaire, had never to work, ensured evading duty in Vietnam even by loosing his National Guard flying licence due to drinking, and ruined the oil company almost his Daddy gave him to Play with. Then he runs for Govenor helped by Daddys Friends. Then he gets President without beiing elected. Nothing wrong with it so far but then he starts an illegal attack war justifed by (Weapons of mass destruction, links to el kaida, bringing Democracy :lol: ) nothing, and poses in an Flight suit stating "I have seen combat." and "the war is over" and "the Iraqis welcome us(By firing RPGs at us ;) )". Than is even to much for me..... :roll:

Show us where Bush said he's "seen combat"? And furthermore I thought he was grounded for not taking the physical cause he was helping someone with a political campaign?
And on the subject of him not being elected.. Learn the US electoral system it's not nearly as effed up as your British one so it shouldn't be hard.
And the majority of Iraqis do welcome the US, it's the minority that shoots the RPGs at them

[THE_Dorff]

Hank,

dont be a fool- no president works towards a second term without a steadfast plan for improvements, changes etc... so NO laura didn't phone me up- dont make such sarcy comments in future...

B

[Jack Mehoff]

@hank

Well G. W. Bush was born as a Millionaire, had never to work, ensured evading duty in Vietnam even by loosing his National Guard flying licence due to drinking, and ruined the oil company almost his Daddy gave him to Play with. Then he runs for Govenor helped by Daddys Friends. Then he gets President without beiing elected. Nothing wrong with it so far but then he starts an illegal attack war justifed by (Weapons of mass destruction, links to el kaida, bringing Democracy :lol: ) nothing, and poses in an Flight suit stating "I have seen combat." and "the war is over" and "the Iraqis welcome us(By firing RPGs at us ;) )". Than is even to much for me..... :roll:


Then he gets President without beiing elected
Electoral College, ever heard of it? Your ignorance is not my concern.



Iraqis welcome us(By firing RPGs at us ;) )". Than is even to much for me..... :roll:
Interesting. I thought Shiite Muslim + Kurds make up over 60% of Iraq population :roll: How do you determine the insurgents are Iraqis?

[HELEX]

@Jack Mehoff


How do you determine the insurgents are Iraqis?

Well it is more than simple,nobody can fight a guerillia war without support by the Population. Did you ever think about it? I think you never did....

If the Iraqis would help you, they would tell you "Hey American, there is this strange foreigner living in my House. He has a lot of explosives and Weapons, more than he needs for fun fireworks." :lol:


You simply do not see what you dont want to see.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

it's not nearly as effed up as your British one so it shouldn't be hard. Care to expand on this one SFontaine or is this an off the cuff thoughtless comment, aside from the usual compaints by UK populace and media about the winners of every UK election I can't really remember any incident during a UK election that is worth commenting on, although a chick got her **** out during a televised result once.

[GrantT]

Jesus, HELEX that is a retarded argument. Just because there is a possibility that a minority of Iraqi’s let terrorists reside in their homes doesn't mean the whole population is against the American liberation. The fact is most people who are arrested by the police and military in Iraq are "ratted out" by Iraqi's themselves, just look at Odai and Qusai Hussein who were killed after a close associate told the US were they were hiding.


Then he gets President without beiing elected.

Looks like somebody's been reading too much Micheal Moore.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

@hank

Well G. W. Bush was born as a Millionaire, had never to work, ensured evading duty in Vietnam even by loosing his National Guard flying licence due to drinking, and ruined the oil company almost his Daddy gave him to Play with. Then he runs for Govenor helped by Daddys Friends. Then he gets President without beiing elected. Nothing wrong with it so far but then he starts an illegal attack war justifed by (Weapons of mass destruction, links to el kaida, bringing Democracy :lol: ) nothing, and poses in an Flight suit stating "I have seen combat." and "the war is over" and "the Iraqis welcome us(By firing RPGs at us ;) )". Than is even to much for me..... :roll:

OMG this is fricking retarded. Do you have even a passing familiarity with the subject matter you're discussing - or do you just want to waste everybody's time with histrionic anti-Bush boilerplate?

If you hate the guy, which is at least a legitimate positon - please at least try to pitch a decent argument.

Some of this has already been spanked into submission here (flight status, Iraq situation, electoral college etc.) so I won't bother with that.

What the hell is wrong with being from a wealthy family? It's not like his dad got $ from running illegal booze (as has been said about Jack Kennedy's daddy). I thought the whole point of America was that we're all able to get rich & determine our own fate. So that's wrong now? You're only legitimate if you're not wealthy? Hey, Kerry is only able to run because he's married to the Heinz Ketchup fortune - does that make him worthless too?

The last I heard, the US Supreme Court gave Bush the election, not Jeb
http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-949.ZPC.html

Come on now, dredge up something better that this...like maybe you don't like his suits or, he talks funny, or he has a poor singing voice, or can't properly say the word "nuclear"....

[HELEX]

Ok, I will "bring 'em on"

Guess from whose military records:

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/images/donotbush.gif

If you want proof of it:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/3-Grade_Determination.pdf



The last I heard, the US Supreme Court gave Bush the election

Guess who gave the Jobs to the Judges made the decision:

A) Bush Senior

B) Bush Senior

C) Krusty the Clown


Some Videos:


http://www.takebackthemedia.com/liar.html

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/03_large.shtml

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/bushnonazi.html


And yes, I hate your President and his current Politics. But i like the US and most of the People living there.

[Trigger]

THE_Dorff wrote:

Bush's foreign policies are postively draconian

Tough times call for tough policies.

[Argyll]

I got a question here,and before I ask it,it matters not to me who gets elected,and don't support any US Party for that matter!.


Ok..............Why would Kerry even consider running for President ,if he has these skeletons in his closet,it's not as If he really trying to hide them is it?I mean here is an Anti Vietnam war protester/Veteran and he has allegedly said he did these "terrible crimes",I find it incredible that he should run for Presidency with all this hanging over his head,it's as if it is water off a ducks back with this,and yet there are people out there who will vote for him............the same could be said for Bush with his "war records" and his "missing time"........people will still vote for them....amazing!!

[HELEX]

@GrantT


Jesus, HELEX that is a retarded argument. Just because there is a possibility that a minority of Iraqi’s let terrorists reside in their homes doesn't mean the whole population is against the American liberation. The fact is most people who are arrested by the police and military in Iraq are "ratted out" by Iraqi's themselves, just look at Odai and Qusai Hussein who were killed after a close associate told the US were they were hiding.

Odai and Qusai Hussein were sold for a very good price(30 Million?), Saddam would do the same in the same situation. Friendship ends when it comes to Money....
The People didnt like Husseins Regime, but they hate the coalition soldiers more than anything else in this world. Is it too difficult to understand that Saddam usually executed religios idiots, to protect his Power? Now even former baath Party members and religious extremists are cooperating!

[XASA]

usa320, you need to lay off the caffeine. ;) I would like to know how a teenager like you became so angry at such a young age. I think Helex has a problem with U.S. policy but he shows his ignorance every time he writes something.

I think 11F5S and I are the only two Vietnam veterans on the board. I've already stated I don't have a problem with Kerry's anti-Vietnam War position. The man earned the right to state his opinion. Moreso than you. If you are so patriotic, enlist or volunteer for some form of public service, but you have to realize everyone isn't angry as you are.

If you disagree with something posted here, you need to make your points without "shouting" for attention. Lighten-up dude.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

usa320 were you ever on Methylphenidate when you were a kid?

[Argyll]

Capitals,profanities,and Racial Undertones!!........deleted!!

USA320 keep it calm and I'll not censure you!

Listen to what XASA said ;)

[ibstolidude]

The last I heard, the US Supreme Court gave Bush the election

Guess who gave the Jobs to the Judges made the decision:

A) Bush Senior

B) Bush Senior

C) Krusty the Clown


Some Videos:


http://www.takebackthemedia.com/liar.html

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/03_large.shtml

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/bushnonazi.html


And yes, I hate your President and his current Politics. But i like the US and most of the People living there.

This post is a fundamental failure to understand the US government election process. - I am no adamant Bush fan but his brother had NOTHING to do with the electoral vote turn out in Florida NOR did the supreme court.

I have never posted on Kerry's or Bush's vietnam service or lack there of... but this post is not an accurate reflection of the reality of the election process.

The United States of America's voting system is not based upon a direct nation wide vote..anyone who feels it is is ignorant of our system.
It is however based upon the Electoral College system ..and in 2000 the count was 271 v/s 266 (1x vote not cast) although the popular vote was in favor of Al Gore, the electorial vote was not...as states have limited electorial votes.
The founders of the nation devised the Electoral College system as part of their plan to share power between the States and the national government. Under the Federal system adopted in the Constitution, the nation-wide popular vote has no legal significance. As a result, it is possible that the electoral votes awarded on the basis of State elections could produce a different result than the nation-wide popular vote. Nevertheless, the individual citizen's vote is important to the outcome of each State election, as whichever party slate wins the most popular votes in the State becomes that State's Electors-so that, in effect, whichever presidential ticket gets the most popular votes in a State wins all the Electors of that State. [The two exceptions to this are Maine and Nebraska where two Electors are chosen by statewide popular vote and the remainder by the popular vote within each Congressional district].
If people choose to argue that Florida gave their votes to Bush as his brother is governor that is not entirely true....it is actually horribly inaccurate...Florida's state constitution and the limited duration of acceptance of the voting results madated by the electorial college system gave Bush the votes. The mandate of the electorial college clearly states the timeline in which the votes must be tallied and rcvd...if they have not been tallied and rcvd in this timeline it will fall to the guidelines required in the state constitution to determine the vote.

If people are not satisfied by the result; their options are the most common method for amending the Constitution, an amendment must be proposed by a two-thirds majority in both houses of Congress and ratified by three-fourths of the States, or push for the removal of you Electors/Vote.


You certainly are free to lambast Bush on his policies, history, family, service...etc
but the facts the system of the electroal college and the Florida constitution were the defining documents in the case. they spell out the procedure for such a recount.

[GrantT]

Odai and Qusai Hussein were sold for a very good price(30 Million?), Saddam would do the same in the same situation. Friendship ends when it comes to Money....

Iraqi's do it everyday for no price at all. :roll:


The People didnt like Husseins Regime, but they hate the coalition soldiers more than anything else in this world.

That's utter bull**** at its best. Where's your proof that ordinary Iraqi's hate the coalition more than Saddam?


Is it too difficult to understand that Saddam usually executed religios idiots, to protect his Power? Now even former baath Party members and religious extremists are cooperating

I haven't got clue what your talking about.

[usa320]

[ :backhand:

[Elmo]

Now, you Americans have two dark-brown caffeine rich sodas on the table.
The other has been there opened for over 3 years already and has become really nasty to even look at.

The other one however, hasn't even been opened yet, so it's going to taste cool and refreshing.

[THE_Dorff]

trigger- cant argue with that...

read michael moore's book "dude, where's my country"- its quite enlightening, if not biased...

B

[SFontaine]

This (http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/dude.htm) site sort of destroys all the **** in Moores book

[California Joe]

usa320, you need to lay off the caffeine. ;) I would like to know how a teenager like you became so angry at such a young age. I think Helex has a problem with U.S. policy but he shows his ignorance every time he writes something.

I think 11F5S and I are the only two Vietnam veterans on the board. I've already stated I don't have a problem with Kerry's anti-Vietnam War position. The man earned the right to state his opinion. Moreso than you. If you are so patriotic, enlist or volunteer for some form of public service, but you have to realize everyone isn't angry as you are.

If you disagree with something posted here, you need to make your points without "shouting" for attention. Lighten-up dude.

Jesus you assheads need to listen to this man.

[ibstolidude]

usa320, you need to lay off the caffeine. ;) I would like to know how a teenager like you became so angry at such a young age. I think Helex has a problem with U.S. policy but he shows his ignorance every time he writes something.

I think 11F5S and I are the only two Vietnam veterans on the board. I've already stated I don't have a problem with Kerry's anti-Vietnam War position. The man earned the right to state his opinion. Moreso than you. If you are so patriotic, enlist or volunteer for some form of public service, but you have to realize everyone isn't angry as you are.

If you disagree with something posted here, you need to make your points without "shouting" for attention. Lighten-up dude.

Jesus you assheads need to listen to this man.

Why should the opinions of the only two Vietnam vets on the board matter when speaking about vietnam.... I mean some of these people have read other people's published opinions.
:roll: :oops:

Actually I would venture that the true flame warriors are under voting age and/or not US voters.

If the 2 people that lived through it say back off, then perhaps the other people are just seeking a chance to promote thier agenda rather than presenting viable arguement.

[California Joe]

Because I said so. That's it. Now quit being ironic and ****.

[hank]

@hank

Well G. W. Bush was born as a Millionaire, had never to work, ensured evading duty in Vietnam even by loosing his National Guard flying licence due to drinking, and ruined the oil company almost his Daddy gave him to Play with. Then he runs for Govenor helped by Daddys Friends. Then he gets President without beiing elected. Nothing wrong with it so far but then he starts an illegal attack war justifed by (Weapons of mass destruction, links to el kaida, bringing Democracy :lol: ) nothing, and poses in an Flight suit stating "I have seen combat." and "the war is over" and "the Iraqis welcome us(By firing RPGs at us ;) )". Than is even to much for me..... :roll:

Well I think that sums it up. I mean, how could anybody argue with this logic. You've really shown me the light. Thank the good lorda above that you came along to correct all the fallacies I harbored about Bush.

hank

[hank]

Hank,

dont be a fool- no president works towards a second term without a steadfast plan for improvements, changes etc... so NO laura didn't phone me up- dont make such sarcy comments in future...

B

Well now you have backtracked about a million miles - in the first post you accused Bush of creating an event to help himself get reelected. Is that not what you meant?

By the way - what do you have against sarcasm?

hank

[hank]

Ok, I will "bring 'em on"

Guess from whose military records:

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/images/donotbush.gif

If you want proof of it:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/3-Grade_Determination.pdf



The last I heard, the US Supreme Court gave Bush the election

Guess who gave the Jobs to the Judges made the decision:

A) Bush Senior

B) Bush Senior

C) Krusty the Clown


Some Videos:


http://www.takebackthemedia.com/liar.html

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/03_large.shtml

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/bushnonazi.html


And yes, I hate your President and his current Politics. But i like the US and most of the People living there.

Helex - how many judges on the SC do you think Bush senior got to appoint during his 4 years - ready for this - only 2 named Souter and Thomas. You do the math genius. 2 out of 9 is not a majority.

hank

[Luxembourger]

I like both Bush and Kerry.....

I like Bush because he really kicks ass bad guys and gives a lot of money to the US military what I think is vital but unlike Kerry he does not so care for the environment ,,,,,KErry would care more for the envvironment and the average american,,,,,but he would not support much the US military which would suck !

I only think that it is disgusting blaming both candidates for what they did in the past when they were young like Bush s military service, his problems with alcolics and Kerry s reltionship with fonda,,,,,,those issues won t affect their skill as a president,,,,,,,,,,that was their past just forget that now .