How would you invade the United States?

[xwar]

Almost a year ago, I started this same topic... asking people, if they had to plan it... and if they thougt it was possible.. what "coalition" would you need, or what country... or whatever....

How and with what army(s) would this be accomplished?

Kinda instresting to think of things like this...

[Greek soldier]

How about this. Not exactly an invasion...

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=72165&highlight=Coup+d%27etat

My, you now bring Cold War-era plannings...

[Ezekiel25:17]

Red Dawn.......Wolverines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11


You ever thought that if US get invaded they won't use nukes? Get Real. Besides everyone in America has guns. They won't make it off the beach.!!

[oregongrunt]

Red Dawn.......Wolverines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11


You ever thought that if US get invaded they won't use nukes? Get Real. Besides everyone in America has guns. They won't make it off the beach.!!
That's true, how do you invade a country that has soo many guns. I can imagine the hell they'd have in Oregon with all of the hunters here.

[mattnwnc03]

how would i invade america? pretty much the way mexico has been invading us right now

[Ezekiel25:17]

That's true, how do you invade a country that has soo many guns. I can imagine the hell they'd have in Oregon with all of the hunters here.

Exactly. It would be happy hunting in Texas too.

[Omaha]

Honestly? Sleeper cells.

Hit banks and bus stops and movie theaters. Use Ford and Chevy vans for Ironies sake. Water towers electric companies things like that. (Remember the New York black out a few years back?)


No conventional Army could take and hold ground. It would have to be completely under ground. And even then, no one is going to conquer anything, just kill a lot of people/destroy a lot of stuff.

[mudbunny]

"Exactly. It would be happy hunting in Texas too."

Agreed. If they (whoever THEY is) hit the beaches of New Jersey and were able to negotiate the garbage and waste filled beaches, when they headed West they would run into the scumbag gangbangers of NorthPhilly, but those sh!tbirds would out be of their minds on crack and they can't shoot straight when they're sober; then I figure they would make it as far West as Lancaster where the Amish and all us hunters would get medievel on their a$$e$, with pitchforks, hatchets and whatnot.

[ogukuo72]

Through illegal immigration. At the rate of say 100,000 a year, the US will be over run in twenty.

[nyarlathotep]

A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?

[nullterm]

Mass stockpiles of Hawaiian shirts and train the army to say "Going to Vegas!" US Customs was never so easy/fast.

[hauptman]

A conventional invasion would likely to be a desaster for the attacker ...
The only possible thing would be destabilization of the order and hitting main targets like Washington DC and establish a new goverment.

[pathfinder82]

Through illegal immigration. At the rate of say 100,000 a year, the US will be over run in twenty.


To be honest, they can have it. Ill head down south, build a nice spot on the Pacific coast and grow oranges, not to sell but just to eat. I will also drink cheap Mexican beer and surf all day. We can simply switch spots in the world. They can drink Budweiser and Ill drink Modello, its actually a nice trade all around.

Have fun sitting in 3 hour traffic jams Mexico!

[SOG]

twinkies. *censored**censored**censored**censored*ing boatloads of armed and lethal extra fatening twinkies.

[bigjeff]

Why bother to think of smth impossible.
Peace!Peace!Peace!

[11 Bravo]

This is so simple. All an enemy would need to do is payoff the deocrats , cry like liberals , and wrangle more UN presence and like foreign exchange troops , coerce ignorant racial and social groups with false promises , money , drugs and wads of illegal immigration and you have the basis for a major sneak attack that could very well succeed.
Just think - all the major city areas of the US have anti gun ownership laws from bad to super extreme , and these urban areas are filled with wads of gimme gimme something for nothing types living on the dole , pacifist wankers whom reality simply cannot reach , and the par for the course socialist democratic party humps that run these urban cesspools !

[Morboute]

Divide and Conquer would be the way to go.

Add to the racial tensions, sabotage infrastructure (massive blackouts tend to lead to chaos), divide the people with the help off powerhungry officials etc etc.

Imo, the biggest threat against USA today is its own people. You dont have to dig deep to notice that its pretty devided under the surface. Racial tensions flare up with ease it seems. :-(

[Macabi]

Anyone remember the trailer of RED ALERT 2? p-)

[caridon]

you strangle the us.

Hit the oiltankers. and the ships carying steel.

without those imports the US wil be a financial ruin within 5-6 month.

After that you start planing the invation.

/C

[Roldwin]

from inside

[Telnyashka]

Declare Bush a terrorist and RARR THESE COLORS DONT RUN, GIT R DUN! hillbilly revolution.

[Vorian]

Send a mesage to those aliens from the war of the worlds and go rampage in American cities. :)

[Asheren]

In same way i would do it year ago.
Secretly support isolationists movments while sending sleeper terror cells as illegal and legal immigrants. Use their own law aginst them. No need to send guns for them when they can buy them in US. In same time i would bost my countries asimetric warfare ability. To be ready for retaliatory strike if US understand who is behind all s%%t that suddenly fell in their fan. Then during "d-day" terror cells would hit their oil facilities, power network and watter supplies. In same time i would hit various US owned instalations (mostly oil related) accross the world. In next elections propably isolationists would win with their policy of protecting home. Oil prices going throu the roof will kill US economy. I would "play" muslim countries coalition.

[PsihoKekec]

As mentioned, divide and conquer. Support for anti-federal groups, fuelling animosotiy between Demokrats and Republicans, religius zealots and seculars, different states, racial tensions, to the point of open conflict, while portraying my faction (state) as friend of USA until time is right.
As conflict erupted, my faction would move in as sort of peacekeeper (like Syria did in Lebanon) suported by overwhelming PR campaign. Through creepign agreesion I would install my pupets in all key positions therby assuming control of USA.

[TacoDelRio]

Why invade conventionally? You can control our companies, ports (coughLONGBEACHcough), hell, anything you want from your country (coughCHINAcough) using money. No need to fire a single round. Why invade and severely risk destroying what gives you all that monetary gain/capital? Doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

Coughing was added for "effect". Clinton sold our local Long Beach Naval Shipyard to PLAN. (PLAN = google.com)

"Dig what I'm sayin'?"

[TacoDelRio]

Through illegal immigration. At the rate of say 100,000 a year, the US will be over run in twenty.

Best one I've heard so far, honestly. Why invade America? Gain capital? Money? Etc?

Why invade if they're already here? If they already control "interests" and all that, they wouldn't need to roll over people's lawns to gain control.




In the other, conventional sense, I'll put my money on us having a second civil war, however externally motivated, before a foreign military force comes on our soil for the sole purpose of gaining American soil for their country (IE not mercenaries, like the Hessians or French in the Revolutionary war for example).

[Atlantic Friend]

Almost a year ago, I started this same topic... asking people, if they had to plan it... and if they thougt it was possible.. what "coalition" would you need, or what country... or whatever....

How and with what army(s) would this be accomplished?

Kinda instresting to think of things like this...

America is way too populated to be easily occupied, even if the invaders defeated US forces.

If it really was about occupying the land, I'd suggest this :

- a peacetime invasion through legal/illegal immigration (takes decades)
- a peaceful invasion under the guise of humanitarian help after a massive disaster (limited areas only)

If it was about living off the US economy, and controling certain sectors, you don't have to invade, you can just play bids and acquisitions and consolidation and takeovers...

[jerka71_1]

If you need to know how something is done, always start with the WHY"?

WHY should I/we/you invade the US?

[TacoDelRio]

If you need to know how something is done, always start with the WHY"?

WHY should I/we/you invade the US?

Why, for porn and hamburgers, of course! That's all that's still being made here anyway!

[Major Maxillary]

To invade the American mainland would be suicide; to quote Yamamoto, "there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."


That being said, Hawaii would be easy to take, as would California, and Maryland.


If I were to invade America, I'd start with building up a hundred metric ****tons of material; planes, ships, guns, beans, bullets, and band-aids.

I'd train my soldiers well, and make their kit heavy on AA and AT weaponry. I'd steer clear of the cities, preferring to shell them from afar with laser guided artillery, guided by special forces who I'd send in well in advance of the invasion.

the first step in this would be to neutralize the American Navy, and blocade the major ports. 80% of all consumer goods in the US are imported, from Levi Jeans to Spagetti-o's. My navy would be heavy on guns. big guns, with guided shells. long range, too. able to strike the steel mills in Pittsburg easily.

My Air Force would be divided up into three portions; Air superiority, close air support, and tactical bombing. each would have dedicates craft for their given roles. It's my beleife that a specialized platform will trump a jack of all trades. I'll have plenty of multirole craft, but initially i'll need to rely souley on dedicated air superiority for the air force, dedicated ground attack for the ground and surface forces, and dedicated fast attack bombers for tactical bombing.

I'll forego the dramatic seaborn landing in favor of a more practical heliborn invation, using heavy lift helicopters to transport a few divisions of mechanized infantry to a safe location inland, where they can then stage an attack on a good deep water port, where they'll be supported by gunships, gunboats, and the rest of my army. All US forces and civillians will be driven from the port and surrounding city. from there I'll establish a defensive fortress-city, heavy on AAA and with plenty of room for my men to breathe. They'll dig in and await reinforcements. when tohe reinforcements arrive i'll begin cautiousley pushing inland, constantly probing, never will one part of my army be without any other parts. Infantry will always be deployed with armor, and will always be under the umbrella of self-propelled Artillery. all will be under the cover of my Air Force, and my rear will be secured by my Navy.

I'll make sure to treat POWs and Civvies in accordance with the Geneva convention, and then some. It'll be SOP to treat Captured soldiers and combatants like family. Civvies will only be shot if they shoot first. In occupied areas where Civvies would most of the liberties they would normally enjoy, save fore the token cautionary laws like curfew and no public display of weapons. PETA, Greenpeace, and Communists will be shot on sight.

I'd start on the West coast; less guns per capita, better tank terrain, and nicer ports. Also, those liberal ****s need to learn a lesson about Liberty.


so in short, My plan would be as follows;
1. insert Specops sleepers into the country for intelligence gatherig.
2. neutralize Pacific fleet, take or destroy the Panema Canal.
3. launce every available aircraft on Sorties inland. Bombers to attack American bases and assets, Ground attack to neutralize AntiAir threats and halt all troop movements, Air Superiority to get rid of the American planes that manage to make it into the air.
4. under cover of the aerial assault, deploy three Divisions of Mobile Infantry inland to attack San Fransisco supported by Both Fixed wing and Helicopter Gunships, and Whatever Naval Assets aren't comitted to the destruction of the Pacific Fleet.
5. Establish foothold, evacuate Civillians, fortify city, reinforce, resupply, move inland.
6. ???
7. Profit!

[Moledet]

Why invaide it? We control it anyway ;)

[Snoshi]

Why invaide it? We control it anyway ;)

LOL, nice one :D

[ed316]

I was waiting for a Jew to come and say that. Now it validates anti-American and Islamifascist supporters views.

[dacanadianbomb]

I wouldnt invade at all. I'd threaten with Chuck, and everyone would capitulate.

[Apathy]

How would you invade the United States?

Through Poland.

[Zarathustra]

how would i invade america? pretty much the way mexico has been invading us right now

When are they finally going to build that wall/fence on the border ? I heard it was currently discussing.

[koutch]

When are they finally going to build that wall/fence on the border ? I heard it was currently discussing.
As soon as they find the guys who build the Berlin wall.
Whats the point of invading the USA, it would be impossible to control the territory, unless the invadors are canadian and mexican. Even the germans during ww2 had constant trouble in the occupied territories.

[ed316]

You forgot about are gun laws. We are allowed to have guns.

[Kilgor]

You couldnt invade the US, just too many guns and people who know to use them. Some crazies in the hills are just waiting for it to happen.

Best thing to do IMO, is to bring the saudi oil production to a halt, crash the economy. Sit back and let the chaos take hold.

[Minardiau]

You don't need to occupy the whole country anyway. Just the important areas. (LA, SF, NY, DC,)

[ed316]

LA and NYC is bigger then Baghdad. You can probably ocuppy SF, hell they'll probably help you out.

[Minardiau]

But western culture is more passive isent it?

I mean it's not as if an occupied city in the US is going to be non-stop insurgency now is it?

[mr blonde]

go f*ck yourself moledet. :bash:

[ed316]

Min, in America we ARE aggresive. We get pretty tick if you burn the flag in America..you think somehow we are going to give an invasion force a chance?


Hell, you can go to Wal-mart to buy a gun and underwear at the same time.

[Zarathustra]

Min, in America we ARE aggresive. We get pretty tick if you burn the flag in America..you think somehow we are going to give an invasion force a chance?

Well same goes for most countries anyways, you will never make yourself popular being a foreigner and burning the flag of the country you're staying in.

[signatory]

What would be the objective of this invasion ?

How about a foreign supported military coup led by US Citizens called the "Friends of the Constitution" or something. Promise of new elections, same or increased state powers, and appropriately a change in foreign policy.

Then how many would pick up their guns ? To spill citizen's blood just to re-instate the current dorks in the houses.

[ed316]

Well same goes for most countries anyways, you will never make yourself popular being a foreigner and burning the flag of the country you're staying in.

I was just explaining the American mentality that's all. When Americans burn an American flag it's always an uproar.

Like that American girl who got ran over by and Isreali bulldozer. When people found out that she did that sympathy just petered away.

[Minardiau]

But you know what I mean though. Or rather the point i'm making.

[smeghead]

Stage one: Full scale nuclear attack, Soviet style.
Stage two: Grab every chinese capable of holding and fireing an AK and start sending them on boats towards the US coasts.
Stage three: Using tactical nukes and Zerg tactics, start to grab land.
Stage four: Enjoy my new lebensraum.

Casualties: ~500 million give or take.

[ocdt goose]

Stage one: Full scale nuclear attack, Soviet style.
Stage two: Grab every chinese capable of holding and fireing an AK and start sending them on boats towards the US coasts.
Stage three: Using tactical nukes and Zerg tactics, start to grab land.
Stage four: Enjoy my new lebensraum.

Casualties: ~500 million give or take.


You can't really use Nukes to get land, because after you use them the land is too dangerous to live on. The soviet style Nuking was always a defensive measure on their part, sort of get them before they get us.

Anyway, don't really think an American invasion is possible by anybody, at the moment anyway. History has shown us that situations can change over a relatively short time although I hope it never does.

[Apathy]

Stage one: Full scale nuclear attack, Soviet style.
Stage two: Grab every chinese capable of holding and fireing an AK and start sending them on boats towards the US coasts.
Stage three: Using tactical nukes and Zerg tactics, start to grab land.
Stage four: Enjoy my new lebensraum.

Casualties: ~500 million give or take.

You require more vespene gas!

[ed316]

Stage one: Full scale nuclear attack, Soviet style.
Stage two: Grab every chinese capable of holding and fireing an AK and start sending them on boats towards the US coasts.
Stage three: Using tactical nukes and Zerg tactics, start to grab land.
Stage four: Enjoy my new lebensraum.

Casualties: ~500 million give or take.


And you think US won't detect the nukes once they leave the silos? If Russia launches, US lanches and well, their wouldn't be anyone to invade cause the whole world will be dead except for roaches and Goth kids who love wearing PVC full body suits. *coughMincough*

[mattnwnc03]

sell all our sea ports to a foriegn company , open up the gates.

[chuckster]

Let's fantasize about pulling off a serious conventional invasion of the US the same way as I, a 5'7" 250# 45 year old balding guy, can fantisize about getting a date with Jennifer Anistion.

As I see it, there are four main obsticals: The US navy, the US air forces, including marine, navy, and army air units, the US army including guard and reserve units, and the US people.

The Navy: Since no navy in the world can stand up in a surface battle against a US carrier battlegroup, you have to take out most of the supercarriers at once in the initial surprise attack with cruise missile submarines and 9/11 style kamakazie attacks (lots of them!).

The air forces: Since no air force in the world can stand up against the combined air power of the US, you have to attack at the same time you attack the Navy. You can try to surprise air units on the ground, but will probably not be successful. The best you can achieve is keepping the air units busy shooting your air forces out of the sky while your troops are landing on US shores. (They have been hidden in ocean liners, container ships, oil tankers modified at troop transports etc.)

The land forces: Since no army in the world can hope to defeat the US army in an open field battle, all you can do is land as many troops as possible (several million would be a good start) and hope sheer numbers can do the job.

The American public: Here is where it really gets hard. Since no army in the world can occupy enough ground to snuff out an insurgency in an area the size of the US, especially considering the number of private firearms in America, you will be facing an insurgency that will make Iraq seem like a streetgang rumble. Good luck!

Well, I'm going back to my threesome with Jennifer Aniston and Paris Hilton while you guys mull this over.

[Ea$y-8]

Well I the armchair field marshall am going to put my two cents in. The really problem is the US Navy their is no fleet in the world yet that can stand up to ours. If some superpower say USSR wanted to invade they would first have the task of beating our navy. assuming they did that... Well...

I enlist the help of China and the Warsaw Pact nations and would invade Alaska and move into Canada and take it over and then move south into the USA I would lable this the "Western Threatre" A attack across the ice covered poler ice caps of the Artic Ocean with a lot of landing craft for when I needed it to move my troops across war. I would use Greenland as a staging area for a drive into Canadian and then the US lableing this the "Eastern Theatre" Then the a landing in Florida with support from the Cubians. there would be a massive insurgent movement in occupied areas and to anyone who says "Americans don't have the heart to be willing to die in a war against invaders" I can assure you other wise. Look how many Americans are in prison compared to other countries and look how unsubmissive Americans are. They would have a real problem with this strict authority placed over them. Their are countless street gangs, wild militia groups and just plain average joes with guns... AND A LOT OF THEM!!! It would be hard to beat the standing military of the USA and fighting insurgent groups would be just as hard if not harder.

[TheRussian1]

I would bake millions of delicious pies...and give them out for free.
Of course, each pie would actually be an IED that I would triger with my cell phone.

[ronin2172]

Pfft you all have it WRONG!

You wait till summer is in full effect, get every fine azz woman from brazil (if you don't have enough you can go to your colombian and/or argentinian reserve) and launch a co-ordinated Samba parade assault on every military base and major city.

While every red blooded straight male (and a surprisingly large number of females) are oogling the sight of bouncing, thong clad booty, and wondering how the hell a woman can dance like that in heels so freakin high; you attack critical targtes with your uber, SAS trained, midget, ninja, death squads, by the time people realise whats happened it'll be too late and they probably won't care anyway.

Repeat as necessary

[TacoDelRio]

LA and NYC is bigger then Baghdad. You can probably ocuppy SF, hell they'll probably help you out.

I wish you weren't so correct.

[tyovan4]

Chuckster - about our Air Force, you forgot their nuclear missile silos. If anybody invaded us, I'm pretty sure we would 'nuke them back to the stone age'..

[usa_patriot]

I was just pondering which countries would come to the assistance of the United States in such a situation? Nato would invoke article 5 of the treaty, but what other non-nato countries would come to our assistance if asked?


http://www.nato.int/docu/basictxt/treaty.htm

[Major Maxillary]

Let's fantasize about pulling off a serious conventional invasion of the US the same way as I, a 5'7" 250# 45 year old balding guy, can fantisize about getting a date with Jennifer Anistion.

As I see it, there are four main obsticals: The US navy, the US air forces, including marine, navy, and army air units, the US army including guard and reserve units, and the US people.

The Navy: Since no navy in the world can stand up in a surface battle against a US carrier battlegroup, you have to take out most of the supercarriers at once in the initial surprise attack with cruise missile submarines and 9/11 style kamakazie attacks (lots of them!).

The air forces: Since no air force in the world can stand up against the combined air power of the US, you have to attack at the same time you attack the Navy. You can try to surprise air units on the ground, but will probably not be successful. The best you can achieve is keepping the air units busy shooting your air forces out of the sky while your troops are landing on US shores. (They have been hidden in ocean liners, container ships, oil tankers modified at troop transports etc.)

The land forces: Since no army in the world can hope to defeat the US army in an open field battle, all you can do is land as many troops as possible (several million would be a good start) and hope sheer numbers can do the job.

The American public: Here is where it really gets hard. Since no army in the world can occupy enough ground to snuff out an insurgency in an area the size of the US, especially considering the number of private firearms in America, you will be facing an insurgency that will make Iraq seem like a streetgang rumble. Good luck!

Well, I'm going back to my threesome with Jennifer Aniston and Paris Hilton while you guys mull this over.


way to defeat the Navy; Wait till the big carriers are in port, and strike them with all your force; ballistic missile subs, Big gun Battleships, Cuisers, and Strike fighters. with lots of Air Superiority fighters, too. Imagine a bunch of miniature Pearl Harbors.

Way to defeat the Air Force; Planes are only dangerous in the air. on the ground they're just scrap. There are three ways to take out the air force.

the first is conventionally in the air. The Air Force is heavy on multirole craft, they aren't as maneuverable as their better counerparts, and perfer to engage targets at standoff ranges. So the best way to beat the Air force in a dogfight is with a fast, agile fighter that's at home at both very long and very close range.

The second is by simply flying over the bases and bombing them with ground attack planes or gunships.

the third is using special forces. You send them in to observe the base from afar, where they can designate targets and paint them with a laser for naval artillery, or high altitude stategic bombers armed with smart munitions.

A big way to clip the Air forces wings right quick is by eliminating it's aerial refueling capability. take out the airtankers and they birds have to return to their nest to refuel. that's when you get them.


Way to defeat the Gound forces; The American Military emphasises light, mobile infantry supported by artillery and close air support. once you gain air superiority, the Army is at a near fatal disadvantage. on the ground, you need to out maneuver thee American soldiers. the best way to facilitate this is to remove the helicopters and APCs from the equation. Your force would need to be heavy on AT weaponry and have good supporting tanks for when you met the Cavalry.


Way to defeat an Insurgency; Stay clear of the cities, when nessisary to occupy a city, relocate as many civillians as possible under the excuse of "Keeping them away from harm." make sure they have a place to go, and not simply dumping them in camps. ensure that they don't have any reason to hate you. make yourself look better, even just marginally, that the American government. Ideally, you should be better, even just margnally, than the American Government.


It's all about exploiting weaknesses, and winning hearts and minds.

[Leftcoaster]

I was just pondering which countries would come to the assistance of the United States in such a situation? Nato would invoke article 5 of the treaty, but what other non-nato countries would come to our assistance if asked?


http://www.nato.int/docu/basictxt/treaty.htm

I would imagine that were the United States actually physically invaded, the U.S. would be on their own except for Canadian support and minimal symbolic assistance from friendly nations primarily in the form of assets that were already in this neighborhood.

I'd assume that in order to get to the point where a hostile army group could anticipate achieving a landing on mainland America, other NATO countries would already have their hands full with their own regional conflicts.

It's beyond incredible to even imagine any one nation being insane enough to make the attempt in the world as we know it, and I don't personally believe that the rest of the world COMBINED could achieve a successful invasion, certainly not one where they expected to have a existing homeland waiting for their return after the radioactive dust had eventually settled.

[Asheren]

I was just pondering which countries would come to the assistance of the United States in such a situation? Nato would invoke article 5 of the treaty, but what other non-nato countries would come to our assistance if asked?

Lol i wouldn't count on eurowussie team to much. If my memory is correct it require 7 days before bureocracy allow us to actualy move our A$$. You propably can count on 5'oclocks, small contingents from "here are polar bears region of europe" at last if you provide transport planes for them.

[supercontra]

Poison all junk food joints' that oughto kill 90% of the population

[psycho+logical]

how to make ur country safe from invasion? make gun legal + sell alot of them, promote it, make it your best tool, ur favorite, and youll see every one is going to buy it, its good for economy + defense
occupying u.s is impossible.
just think at the number of people x number of guns = big boom
+ i bet 3/4 of guns owner go to range and practice, that make u alot of trained guy.

[East Scout]

Stage one: Full scale nuclear attack, Soviet style.
Stage two: Grab every chinese capable of holding and fireing an AK and start sending them on boats towards the US coasts.
Stage three: Using tactical nukes and Zerg tactics, start to grab land.
Stage four: Enjoy my new lebensraum.

Casualties: ~500 million give or take.

Good start but id use a non persistant chem weapon dilivered by any means that would work on a mass scale.......Somthing that lingers a few weeks like roach spray for people....

You cant start Lebenraum on radioactive land

[Canuck Farrier]

Invading the US you may as well just try to take all of north america.If the US army had to lose ground for what ever reason they could fall into canadian or mexican territory i would think.Maybe two massive offensives starting in Northern Mexico and British Columbia with diversionary airborne and naval attacks along the mid East and West Coasts.It would take alot of men and Equiptment.If you take it then you have the civilians to fight a war withp-)

[Roaming East]

way to defeat the Navy; Wait till the big carriers are in port, and strike them with all your force; ballistic missile subs, Big gun Battleships, Cuisers, and Strike fighters. with lots of Air Superiority fighters, too. Imagine a bunch of miniature Pearl Harbors.

Way to defeat the Air Force; Planes are only dangerous in the air. on the ground they're just scrap. There are three ways to take out the air force.

the first is conventionally in the air. The Air Force is heavy on multirole craft, they aren't as maneuverable as their better counerparts, and perfer to engage targets at standoff ranges. So the best way to beat the Air force in a dogfight is with a fast, agile fighter that's at home at both very long and very close range.

The second is by simply flying over the bases and bombing them with ground attack planes or gunships.

the third is using special forces. You send them in to observe the base from afar, where they can designate targets and paint them with a laser for naval artillery, or high altitude stategic bombers armed with smart munitions.

A big way to clip the Air forces wings right quick is by eliminating it's aerial refueling capability. take out the airtankers and they birds have to return to their nest to refuel. that's when you get them.


Way to defeat the Gound forces; The American Military emphasises light, mobile infantry supported by artillery and close air support. once you gain air superiority, the Army is at a near fatal disadvantage. on the ground, you need to out maneuver thee American soldiers. the best way to facilitate this is to remove the helicopters and APCs from the equation. Your force would need to be heavy on AT weaponry and have good supporting tanks for when you met the Cavalry.


Way to defeat an Insurgency; Stay clear of the cities, when nessisary to occupy a city, relocate as many civillians as possible under the excuse of "Keeping them away from harm." make sure they have a place to go, and not simply dumping them in camps. ensure that they don't have any reason to hate you. make yourself look better, even just marginally, that the American government. Ideally, you should be better, even just margnally, than the American Government.


It's all about exploiting weaknesses, and winning hearts and minds.

I was unaware the US navy had all its carriers lined up at one location at certain intervals...that plan is whack

With US air force bases all over the damn country you cant hope to catch more than maybe 3 unaware. F16's (and the US has a helluva lot of them) are one of the more manueverable dogfighters in the world but it wont matter since no enemy fighter is gonna get past the missle wall to find out. Another whack plan.

You wont ever attain air superiority over the CONUS so if thats your plan your SOL and the US army bases its whole doctrine on overwhelming force and firepower. The US army is not a light force by any stretch of the imagination so every point in that is wrong again.

The biggest problem with waging war on the mainland is sustainment. Its near impossible enough to establish much of a foothold on the most heavily armed country on earth but to do so at the shiat end of a very long and very vulnerable supply line? good luck to ya.

[DeZzErX]

how to make ur country safe from invasion? make gun legal + sell alot of them, promote it, make it your best tool, ur favorite, and youll see every one is going to buy it, its good for economy + defense
occupying u.s is impossible.
just think at the number of people x number of guns = big boom
+ i bet 3/4 of guns owner go to range and practice, that make u alot of trained guy.

I personally wouldn't call someone who can shoot well a trained guy, it takes allot more then just shooting.

[Asheren]

I thnink it would require to develope new kind of ship for invading US. Not a large ship something cheap and fast. I would call it air control ship due to its task. I would mix in it idea of AEGIS and new Russian SAM. It would provide my fleet with 300km no fly dome while AEGIS protect my fleet from any kinds of criuse missiles. It would propably require complete change in naval warfare doctrine changing it in to swarm of smaller ships something like pocket vtol carriers etc. Large amounts of such ships operating in small groups.(to make them less vunerable to nukes)

[ElHombre]

there was a semi-related article in 'time' magazine wayyy back in 1940 ro so talking about the danher of a nazi invasion of the US. (the nazis were at the top of their game at this time, remember) the article showed how germany would take over north africa and use it as a springboard to south america and the panama canal, which would be used as a base. from there, an invasion would be launched up through mexico through texas (which did not have anywhere near the population and it does now) to gain the oilfields there. from there they would sieze the coastal cities and move inland through the mississippi river system (hey, it worked for the US in the ACW).

needless to say, a little far-fetched given what we now know about german industrial capacity but it still made a fun little scenario for a wargame.

[psycho+logical]

I personally wouldn't call someone who can shoot well a trained guy, it takes allot more then just shooting.

SEMI-trained guys...thats better mr.grammatical

[remo williams]

very interesting topic.Roaming east had some very good points as did many others who've posted.Imho an effective way to invade the US would be the following
1)economic devistation.Put the country in a position that their money reserves,as well as general economy are circling the drain.9/11 showed that a physical attack can have longstanding effects on the ecomony,not to mention creating a very large strain on communications.remember how the cell phones were jammed?At least in NY,there were tied up for the better part of the first 24-48 hrs.
2)Insert cells of intelligence,spec-ops,and suicide bombers.The intelligence portion can monitor the day to day sop of security around key targets,how long any high alert level can be sustained.as well create diversionary events to draw/drain resources.Things like race riots,maybe some preliminary suicide attacks in high population areas to instill general panic.spec ops to highlight targets such as infrastructure(power grids,dams,phone lines,rail lines,shipping etc).Intel/spec ops act in concert with the suicide element operating on a need to know basis.this way,if they are caught,they have nothing much to tell.
3)when it's time to shift gears,commercial airliners converted for troop delivery could be used.Db cooper jumped from a slow moving 747,and spec ops does halo/haho jumps for kicks,so to insert them outside a city or soft target wouldn't be impossible.Besides there is so much air traffic at any given time,it'd be hard to tell that a platoon or so jumped out somewhere.besides that,some suicides could enact another 9/11 after delivery.to have these troops surround and cut off a city,or target with the only resistance being local leo/guard,would be not to hard to overcome.
4)Resistance: this is where it get interesting.how many citizens have firearms training?how many have actually shot someone?Probably not many,and targets don't move,lay suppressive fire and shoot back.And there are many more who still wouldn't think to pick up a gun despite it being the diff between life and being fertilizer.Millitia's,leo,vets would have a better chance,as the millitia's have been having cream dreams about something like this.Gang banger's?lol.i see this,a car of 4 pulls up,takes a few spray'n'pray shots,gets vaporized driving off by the rpg guy.4 down only one shooter.Leo's know there have been shoot outs where they never hit who they were aiming at,just some bystanders..Getting back to subject,you still have to have comm to act effectively and that is unlikely during the time it'd do the most good.
i could go on,and if the mods think this is too good an idea,i don't mind them editing this..i in now way endorse or encourage such a dummy move against the country i live in(disclaimer)

[Lazarou]

I would send the US military this map. Knowing how geographically challenged Americans are, they would probably nuke their own country.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/9113/america8qa.th.jpg (http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=america8qa.jpg)

[asch]

hhaaahaahhaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
it can works.
:)

[ed316]

I would send the US military this map. Knowing how geographically challenged Americans are, they would probably nuke their own country.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/9113/america8qa.th.jpg (http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=america8qa.jpg)

Oh yes, the intellectually superior Europeans who had 2 world war on their own continent telling us how stupid we are. :roll:

[Roaming East]

Hunting is a very popular past time in the US. Cant be hard to imagine a particularly spirited individual taking his terrain specific camoflage and sniping the odd soldier every now and then. multiply that by a about a million and you quickly see a mounting problem. These guys got top of the line gear, knowledge of the land and the kill and patience most of the time to at least make operating in the rural areas of the US a nightmare. How many retired vets are out there? im talking about the crowd of 50 and unders who have years of military experiance to pass down. that another problem if these guys just kind of melt away following the possible(?) collapse of the organized military.
Gangbangers i wouldnt worry too much about but even iraq proved that large groups of pissed individuals with firearms can cause burdensome casaulties over time.

[remo williams]

Hunting is a very popular past time in the US. Cant be hard to imagine a particularly spirited individual taking his terrain specific camoflage and sniping the odd soldier every now and then. multiply that by a about a million and you quickly see a mounting problem. These guys got top of the line gear, knowledge of the land and the kill and patience most of the time to at least make operating in the rural areas of the US a nightmare. How many retired vets are out there? im talking about the crowd of 50 and unders who have years of military experiance to pass down. that another problem if these guys just kind of melt away following the possible(?) collapse of the organized military.
Gangbangers i wouldnt worry too much about but even iraq proved that large groups of pissed individuals with firearms can cause burdensome casaulties over time.

yeah..i didn't put that in(it was in the 3 other posting attempts i made)but rural hunter's vets millitia would have a leg up on enemy forces since they know the terrain.and yeah random sized groups of armed people are a problem.especially here since there are many serialkiller/psychotic types running around at any given time.Not to mention the spec ops force that is tasked to the pentagon.(read it in wired magazine 3yrs back)still to knock out communications,power,maybe take a few commercial airports,would make for some significant damage potential.i was thinking more along the lines of effectively shutting down elements that would be most necessary to mount a resistance.kinda like venom shuts down one's nervous system.

[Lazarou]

Oh yes, the intellectually superior Europeans who had 2 world war on their own continent telling us how stupid we are. :roll:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

p-)

[ed316]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

p-)

Well, pardon me for not leaving my sarcasm decoder on. p-)

[TacoDelRio]

Just send in Spetsnaz, and Militaryphotos.net members. Nobody could repel such an onslaught, I mean, at LEAST 80 words per minute, not a server would survive...

[remo williams]

Just send in Spetsnaz, and Militaryphotos.net members. Nobody could repel such an onslaught, I mean, at LEAST 80 words per minute, not a server would survive...
or better yet send in the Anti-jack bauerp-) .He can't be killed,he a master of all things deadly.truly the ultimate menace to life as we know it.

[CountZero]

wouldnt the headless chicken approach be the easiest followed by a massive conventional invasion from canada and mexico

[Trouble]

wouldnt the headless chicken approach be the easiest followed by a massive conventional invasion from canada and mexico

Actually that is what I would say too. Take out all vital communication nodes, head of Government and Military Response causing mass confusion, similar to what we saw with Katrina but on a CONUS scale. Then follow that up with a large conventional invasion with two or more pronges.

But I believe the ultimate result would be for any invader to be driven back into the sea..... it may take years to do so, but remember a bunch of angry God-fearing Americans can acomplish anything.

[eindhoven]

the walls have ears.

[Canuck Farrier]

Ya i said an invasion in British columbia and North Western Mexico with Airborne and Naval attacks on East and West Coasts.With alot of men and equiptment.probly need a ton of aircraft carriers and ships.

[EvanL]

wouldnt the headless chicken approach be the easiest followed by a massive conventional invasion from canada and mexico
You would have to take down Canada first. We wouldn't give up too easily and it is a huge country with alot of guns!
Mexico would fall easily, possibly by a bribe or a new set of rims.

[ed316]

!
Mexico would fall easily, possibly by a bribe or a new set of rims.

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

[psycho+logical]

I would send the US military this map. Knowing how geographically challenged Americans are, they would probably nuke their own country.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/9113/america8qa.th.jpg (http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=america8qa.jpg)

haha rofl

ur going to get rocks trown on your head for saying this!<

[Mastermind]

Don't look now...but that whiney liberal funky voice you hear every night in the Main Stream media is reporting the current invasion every single night. Those brown folks you see at the corner gas stations sitting around waiting to be picked up for casual labor jobs while the INS van passes idly by...those guys are the soldiers. Those Americans you see hiring them...those people are just some of the traitors.

The time you needed to get your sick kid to a hospital emergency ward and had to wait 12 hours for help because the staff were over whelmed with drunk illegal Mexicans stabbing and shooting each other, or tending the twenty or more pregnant wet backs delivering more welfare recipients,...that is their M*A*S*H unit.

The smoke and blood of 9/11 was their Arab allies striking a major blow in the war against our east flank...those half a trillion dollars Bush keeps dumping into the disaster Iraq has become...that's their destruction of our economic base and the future affluence of your kids and grand kids..that along with you paying $2.80 a gallon for gas that is worth forty-five cents a gallon...the difference of which goes directly to another Arab who needs to finance more murder in America.

Every time you are waiting at a rail road crossing and watch container after container with CHINA SHIPPING painted on their sides..that's their logisitc system hard at work, strangling our work spirit and our industry. The news last week all about how Bush & Co were working so darn hard to get the Dubai Ports deal to take over 18 percent of our entire shipping capacity....thats their beach heads taking shape under the watchful eyes of their fifth columnists who seem to be living in the White House these days.\\\\\


You think we are not being invaded right now? Every single time you hear some knot brained American liberal squeeking out about how terrible it is we are sending fighting men to Iraq and Afghanistan, killing those poor little sheep herders, you are hearing another brain washed American casualty. WAR? You have only just seen the opening salvos...you ain't seen nuthin' yet. If I was going to plan an invasion of the USA...what's happening right this second in a million places in this nation every day is exactly how I would plan it...Why? Because it is so darn sinister and clever and we don't stand a ghost of a chance of stopping it!

[CountZero]

Actually that is what I would say too. Take out all vital communication nodes, head of Government and Military Response causing mass confusion, similar to what we saw with Katrina but on a CONUS scale. Then follow that up with a large conventional invasion with two or more pronges.

But I believe the ultimate result would be for any invader to be driven back into the sea..... it may take years to do so, but remember a bunch of angry God-fearing Americans can acomplish anything.

true but it would take a long time given the inability to communicate and coordinate large scale action

[SerbPVO]

The way that Mexico is doing it as we speak;)

[StukaJr]

The way Liberals are doing it now.

[SuperShot5000]

The way Viagra is to the elderly.

[tobigforyou]

invade us! LOL the poor F&%^4res who try I would fell sorry for them LOL. we would nuke them back to the stone age, before they even touched sacret American soil. we will never give an inch of Amrican soil to a forein power, we would use everythign in our aernal, from presicion bombs to nukes to bio a chem weapons, I can assure every American citizen young or old would to his/her duty to protect out soil. we would use everything from sticks and stones to ICMB's. and if anyone tried to fire a missle we have technology to blown them out the sky, and to detected them seconds after launch anywhere in the globe. and before your missile even landed we already would have nukes coming your way. we have nuclear submarines, each missile out of the 10's they have...EACH ONE! is cappable of hendering an area of the size of cetral america uninhabitable for 200 years! one of those subs by it self is the 3rd most powerfull naion on the world! it would be suicide to do attack us lol. I say who ever tries is out their mind and wants to die, and take every one in their nation with them.


God Bless America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[psycho+logical]

invade us! LOL the poor F&%^4res who try I would fell sorry for them LOL. we would nuke them back to the stone age, before they even touched sacret American soil. we will never give an inch of Amrican soil to a forein power, we would use everythign in our aernal, from presicion bombs to nukes to bio a chem weapons, I can assure every American citizen young or old would to his/her duty to protect out soil. we would use everything from sticks and stones to ICMB's. and if anyone tried to fire a missle we have technology to blown them out the sky, and to detected them seconds after launch anywhere in the globe. and before your missile even landed we already would have nukes coming your way. we have nuclear submarines, each missile out of the 10's they have...EACH ONE! is cappable of hendering an area of the size of cetral america uninhabitable for 200 years! one of those subs by it self is the 3rd most powerfull naion on the world! it would be suicide to do attack us lol. I say who ever tries is out their mind and wants to die, and take every one in their nation with them.


God Bless America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

u almost forgot the aliens