Shotguns

[Badams]

Franchi SPAS-15 and Saiga 12

Basically any shotgun with a removable magazine



IMO a removable magazine on a shotgun is more of a hindrance than anything else. They're OK for a Hollywood action hero but in the real world they'll get you dead in a combat situation. They can easily fill with dirt and are just something to fumble with ,drop,or at night lose when somebodies trying to kill you. If you're hunting they dont impress the game.

[Badams]

Me and my 12
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/461_1114704082_bsc%284%29%28medium%29.jpg
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/461_1113311155_100_03101%28small%29.jpg


Whats the light for? Are you planning on checking ID's or just want a bad guy to see you coming and know your exact position long before you even have a clue where in the hell he's at?

[Bro Jangles]

Whats the light for? Are you planning on checking ID's or just want a bad guy to see you coming and know your exact position long before you even have a clue where in the hell he's at?
bad guys come at night, and we cant all see in the dark.

[JC0352]

Whats the light for? Are you planning on checking ID's or just want a bad guy to see you coming and know your exact position long before you even have a clue where in the hell he's at?

are you dense or is that an attempt at sarcasm?

[JC0352]

IMO a removable magazine on a shotgun is more of a hindrance than anything else. They're OK for a Hollywood action hero but in the real world they'll get you dead in a combat situation. They can easily fill with dirt and are just something to fumble with ,drop,or at night lose when somebodies trying to kill you. If you're hunting they dont impress the game.

What do you have to validate your opinion? What about removable mags for combat rifles? Are those just a hindrance that can be fumbled at night too? You do know troops don't have to be able to see to do a magazine change, right? Think we're trying to look down at what we're doing through NVGs whilst shooting and moving?

[Laworkerbee]

IMO a removable magazine on a shotgun is more of a hindrance than anything else. They're OK for a Hollywood action hero but in the real world they'll get you dead in a combat situation. They can easily fill with dirt and are just something to fumble with ,drop,or at night lose when somebodies trying to kill you. If you're hunting they dont impress the game.

There is this thing called "training" where you prepare for things like changing magazines in the dark in stressful situations.

You should perhaps look into it :roll:

[Moriarti]

IMO a removable magazine on a shotgun is more of a hindrance than anything else. They're OK for a Hollywood action hero but in the real world they'll get you dead in a combat situation. They can easily fill with dirt and are just something to fumble with ,drop,or at night lose when somebodies trying to kill you. If you're hunting they dont impress the game.


Whats the light for? Are you planning on checking ID's or just want a bad guy to see you coming and know your exact position long before you even have a clue where in the hell he's at?

Must have a lot of time in the dirt, or lots of trigger time in training? Maybe a live entry or a few? I know - a slew of 3 gun tactical matches - no? Or - have you been listening to some outmoded has-been/wantabe spinning yarns about silliy lights and newfangled shotguns with magazines. I bet you hate them silly european plastic guns too...not to mention the M16/M4 is a plastic mattel made POS that jams all the time and can't kill anyone....no?

I hope I am wong - really I do:)

Have a GREAT Freedom of Speech day!

[Albatross]

not to mention the M16/M4 is a plastic matel made POS that jams all the time and can't kill anyone....no?

You speak truth, we need to move to the 6.8 round to keep weight down and increase lethality.


Look guys, magazines jam because dirt gets in there and we all know that lights on weapons are outdated because of next gen NODs. I would, however, like to know how he knows that prey isn't intimidated by mag fed weapons, have you been shot at? Are you a rabbit?

[LineDoggie]

IMO a removable magazine on a shotgun is more of a hindrance than anything else. They're OK for a Hollywood action hero but in the real world they'll get you dead in a combat situation. How?

in the "REAL" world, a Mag system means I can easily change from Buckshot/Slug Anti-Pers. rounds to Frangible Breaching, or Non Lethal by simply dropping one mag for another. With a Pump gun, you have tp typically cycle the action to remove those rounds. Reloading time is enhanced with a Mag. I watched one of My Joes with a Mossberg curse up a storm when the first round he fired was a Frangible slug at a truck racing at us, Puff of powder, truck still coming -till the M2 barked a burst.


They can easily fill with dirt and are just something to fumble with ,drop,or at night lose when somebodies trying to kill you. If you're hunting they dont impress the game. And how is it that isnt a Problem with M16/M4's, AK's, 1911's....... Plus "IF" I am Dumb enough to drop my mag, I grab another, its not like I'm using a Powder Horn and flint mind you....

Lights can be fitted with IR filters if using NVG, but for Civvies it works the same as for Police who have used the lights for years. I've yet to hear of an Officer Killed or even shot because of the mounted light, have you?

Mind, these arent exactly old school lights. There bright enough to distract and blind you for a few seconds, and a few seconds can be gold in an armed encounter.

[JC0352]

...................................

[Badams]

bad guys come at night, and we cant all see in the dark.



No we cant all see in the dark. A light is a beacon that points directly at you . I dont want you to get blown away because you gave someone a giant advantage. I think that in such a situation you would be the good guy who was protecting his loved ones and property. Cant do it if you're greased. I truly wouldnt want that to happen to you and thats the only reason I posted my reply

[JC0352]

No we cant all see in the dark. A light is a beacon that points directly at you . I dont want you to get blown away because you gave someone a giant advantage. I think that in such a situation you would be the good guy who was protecting his loved ones and property. Cant do it if you're greased. I truly wouldnt want that to happen to you and thats the only reason I posted my reply

Granted, not everyone might know this, but weaponlights aren't meant to be used like that. They have a momentary on/off switch and are never constantly on when clearing a room. I don't know if you ever had one of these in your face or general direction, but they literally blind you. A homeowner can hit the light when they have a general idea of where the bad man is and then they have the advantage

[Bro Jangles]

No we cant all see in the dark. A light is a beacon that points directly at you . I dont want you to get blown away because you gave someone a giant advantage. I think that in such a situation you would be the good guy who was protecting his loved ones and property. Cant do it if you're greased. I truly wouldnt want that to happen to you and thats the only reason I posted my reply
and in the same regard id hate to but a 12g shell into my little sister because i didnt identify my target.

[Laworkerbee]

A homeowner can hit the light when they have a general idea of where the bad man is and then they have the advantage

The term "deer caught in the headlights" comes to mind. p-)

[JC0352]

The term "deer caught in the headlights" comes to mind. p-)

someone say deer? yeehaw! lets' go a shootin'!!!!!!!!

[Badams]

What do you have to validate your opinion? What about removable mags for combat rifles? Are those just a hindrance that can be fumbled at night too? You do know troops don't have to be able to see to do a magazine change, right? Think we're trying to look down at what we're doing through NVGs whilst shooting and moving?


Am I dense? Perhaps. Are you a sensitive little girl who gets their feelings hurt by someones reply? Why do military weapons use clips? Silly question.
They wouldnt if they didnt use spitzer type bullets. A tube fed magazine is far superior but cant be used with pointy ammo. That is unless you want rounds going off inside the magazine due to one rounds tip hitting the others primer. All it takes is a hard jar on the buttstock with the muzzle pointing upwards. A drum or banana clip has more storage capacity when used for a fully automatic weapon. They're a pain in the ass and slow to load though. Try it with frozen fingers like the Marines at the Chosin Resevoir had. Sure you carry extra loaded clips but they are gonna need to be reloaded sooner or later. A BAR or M14 firing full auto will empty a clip in the blink of an eye.A fully automatic shotgun cant fire as quickly as a pump capable of slam firing.(no trigger disengage such as on the Ithaca M37 or Winchester M 97). If I'm wrong then feel free to let me know. I'll be the wiser for it and that wont hurt my feelings

[Albatross]

**pulls up chair and grabs popcorn**

[Cstafford]

**pulls up chair and grabs popcorn**
lmao doing the same thing.


ANYWAYS i love my mav 88, havnt had a problem with and have shot many rounds through it. changed out the buttstock to a carbine one, i cant spell collaspable. I painted it and it blends it really well in Georgia forests. ill try to get some pics up later.. maybe.

[khaz]

Start shooting 3" magnum slugs and te need quickly becomes self evident.

Lol i do, still think it butt pads are not needed.

[Laworkerbee]

**pulls up chair and grabs popcorn**

Let's share.

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8408/1947eatingpopcornanddrimt4.gif

[rhino]

Am I dense? Perhaps. Are you a sensitive little girl who gets their feelings hurt by someones reply? Why do military weapons use clips? Silly question.
They wouldnt if they didnt use spitzer type bullets. A tube fed magazine is far superior but cant be used with pointy ammo. That is unless you want rounds going off inside the magazine due to one rounds tip hitting the others primer. All it takes is a hard jar on the buttstock with the muzzle pointing upwards. A drum or banana clip has more storage capacity when used for a fully automatic weapon. They're a pain in the ass and slow to load though. Try it with frozen fingers like the Marines at the Chosin Resevoir had. Sure you carry extra loaded clips but they are gonna need to be reloaded sooner or later. A BAR or M14 firing full auto will empty a clip in the blink of an eye.A fully automatic shotgun cant fire as quickly as a pump capable of slam firing.(no trigger disengage such as on the Ithaca M37 or Winchester M 97). If I'm wrong then feel free to let me know. I'll be the wiser for it and that wont hurt my feelings

what's a clip?

[Badams]

There is this thing called "training" where you prepare for things like changing magazines in the dark in stressful situations.

You should perhaps look into it :roll:


Being cool under fire cant be trained into a person. You have it or dont.
I'm no Bill Hickock. Are you? Besides that. A recipient of the Bronze or Silver Star may have bigger balls than Buck Rogers one day and go to pieces the next. That is if my uncle who was decorated with both was telling the truth.
(Leyte and Okinawa). He didnt credit it to training. More like plain **** your britches fear and not being able to stand hearing his buddies crying out for help.

[Bro Jangles]

what's a clip?its a thing girls use to hold up their hair.

[rhino]

its a thing girls use to hold up their hair.


aaaahhhhhhhh, got few of those

[Bro Jangles]

Being cool under fire cant be trained into a person. You have it or dont.
I'm no Bill Hickock. Are you? Besides that. A recipient of the Bronze or Silver Star may have bigger balls than Buck Rogers one day and go to pieces the next. That is if my uncle who was decorated with both was telling the truth.
(Leyte and Okinawa). He didnt credit it to training. More like plain **** your britches fear and not being able to stand hearing his buddies crying out for help.
isnt there an airsoft thread you should be trolling?

[Laworkerbee]

Being cool under fire cant be trained into a person. You have it or dont.

You're such a bad ass.

[Cstafford]

Being cool under fire cant be trained into a person. You have it or dont.
I'm no Bill Hickock. Are you? Besides that. A recipient of the Bronze or Silver Star may have bigger balls than Buck Rogers one day and go to pieces the next. That is if my uncle who was decorated with both was telling the truth.
(Leyte and Okinawa). He didnt credit it to training. More like plain **** your britches fear and not being able to stand hearing his buddies crying out for help.
When I go home people'll ask me, "Hey Badams, why do you do it man? What, you some kinda war junkie?" You know what I'll say? I won't say a goddamn word. Why? They won't understand. They won't understand why we do it. They won't understand that it's about the men next to you, and that's it. That's all it is.

[JC0352]

Am I dense? Perhaps. Are you a sensitive little girl who gets their feelings hurt by someones reply? Why do military weapons use clips? Silly question.
They wouldnt if they didnt use spitzer type bullets. A tube fed magazine is far superior but cant be used with pointy ammo. Soldiers are efficient with magazine fed rifles so why couldn't they be with shotguns?

That is unless you want rounds going off inside the magazine due to one rounds tip hitting the others primer. All it takes is a hard jar on the buttstock with the muzzle pointing upwards. A drum or banana clip has more storage capacity when used for a fully automatic weapon. They're a pain in the ass and slow to load though. Try it with frozen fingers like the Marines at the Chosin Resevoir had. You think I've never loaded a combat load worth of magazines in freezing weather?

Sure you carry extra loaded clips but they are gonna need to be reloaded sooner or later. A BAR or M14 firing full auto will empty a clip in the blink of an eye. Also, it's not SOP for most units to empty a magazine on burst or full auto, so I don't know what your point is.

A fully automatic shotgun cant fire as quickly as a pump capable of slam firing.(no trigger disengage such as on the Ithaca M37 or Winchester M 97). If I'm wrong then feel free to let me know. I'll be the wiser for it and that wont hurt my feelings

You're just spouting off gibberish. Answer my question if you're so tacticool: What do you have to validate your opinion? Where have you been? What have you done? Did you read the other members' responses to your asinine posts? The only people that I've heard refer to them as "clips" are wannabes and gangbangers. PM if you've got anything else because we've derailed this thread enough

[California Joe]

Being cool under fire cant be trained into a person. You have it or dont.
I'm no Bill Hickock. Are you? Besides that. A recipient of the Bronze or Silver Star may have bigger balls than Buck Rogers one day and go to pieces the next. That is if my uncle who was decorated with both was telling the truth.
(Leyte and Okinawa). He didnt credit it to training. More like plain **** your britches fear and not being able to stand hearing his buddies crying out for help.


Actually, James Butler Hickock is one of the very few old west style "gunfighters" that is well known to have practiced and trained religiously. He was that good because he practiced.

Full credit to your Uncle, but when the sh*t hit the fan he reacted instinctively because of training. All of the spastic, emotional, fear induced impulses in the world don't work unless there is a whole lot of muscle memory behind it.

I have no idea what point you were trying to make with that post but you're actually wrong. And unless you've been under fire you're talking out of your ass and you don't get points through osmosis because your Uncle was.

[Chulo]

Being cool under fire cant be trained into a person. You have it or dont.
I'm no Bill Hickock. Are you? Besides that. A recipient of the Bronze or Silver Star may have bigger balls than Buck Rogers one day and go to pieces the next. That is if my uncle who was decorated with both was telling the truth.
(Leyte and Okinawa). He didnt credit it to training. More like plain **** your britches fear and not being able to stand hearing his buddies crying out for help.
well there goes all that training and drills all the military organizations around the world do... silly them didnt know that it was born not made

[LineDoggie]

Am I dense? Perhaps. Are you a sensitive little girl who gets their feelings hurt by someones reply? Why do military weapons use clips? Silly question.
They wouldnt if they didnt use spitzer type bullets. A tube fed magazine is far superior but cant be used with pointy ammo. That is unless you want rounds going off inside the magazine due to one rounds tip hitting the others primer. All it takes is a hard jar on the buttstock with the muzzle pointing upwards. A drum or banana clip has more storage capacity when used for a fully automatic weapon. They're a pain in the ass and slow to load though. Try it with frozen fingers like the Marines at the Chosin Resevoir had. Sure you carry extra loaded clips but they are gonna need to be reloaded sooner or later. A BAR or M14 firing full auto will empty a clip in the blink of an eye.A fully automatic shotgun cant fire as quickly as a pump capable of slam firing.(no trigger disengage such as on the Ithaca M37 or Winchester M 97). If I'm wrong then feel free to let me know. I'll be the wiser for it and that wont hurt my feelings


Magazines are a Pain in the ass and slow to load?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp1Kzw4jHns

And I have reloaded My Magazine fed weapon in cold weather

[scrybe]

Am I dense? Perhaps. Are you a sensitive little girl who gets their feelings hurt by someones reply? Why do military weapons use clips? Silly question.
They wouldnt if they didnt use spitzer type bullets. A tube fed magazine is far superior but cant be used with pointy ammo. That is unless you want rounds going off inside the magazine due to one rounds tip hitting the others primer. All it takes is a hard jar on the buttstock with the muzzle pointing upwards. A drum or banana clip has more storage capacity when used for a fully automatic weapon. They're a pain in the ass and slow to load though. Try it with frozen fingers like the Marines at the Chosin Resevoir had. Sure you carry extra loaded clips but they are gonna need to be reloaded sooner or later. A BAR or M14 firing full auto will empty a clip in the blink of an eye.A fully automatic shotgun cant fire as quickly as a pump capable of slam firing.(no trigger disengage such as on the Ithaca M37 or Winchester M 97). If I'm wrong then feel free to let me know. I'll be the wiser for it and that wont hurt my feelings

I actually laughed out loud while reading this. That's not common for me. Even when I type "lol" I usually mean it more figuratively, like, "If I wasn't jaded and actually had a soul, my instincts tell me I would probably find this humorous." But your post, nay. I actually laughed. Congratulations.

[LongShot]

IMO a removable magazine on a shotgun is more of a hindrance than anything else. They're OK for a Hollywood action hero but in the real world they'll get you dead in a combat situation. They can easily fill with dirt and are just something to fumble with ,drop,or at night lose when somebodies trying to kill you. If you're hunting they dont impress the game.


Yes and no. A magazine fed shotgun allows the user to swap ammunition on the fly, going from buck to frangible or slug is preferable to alot of pumping off. Alot of police departments adopted the Knoxx industries magazine system for the Mossberg before Knoxx discontinued it due to supply problems. Knoxx has since been purchased by Blackhawk, and they will be bringing the system back out for the Mossberg, the Rem 870 and supposedly the Benelli m-1104.

[USAF LOADMASTER]

I've a Mossberg 590 and never, never experienced any problems with it. I'd be interested in hearing from others their opinion of it and other combat shotguns, especially the new Benelli.

Love the Mossberg! You can't go wrong.

[Laconian]

Whats the light for? Are you planning on checking ID's or just want a bad guy to see you coming and know your exact position long before you even have a clue where in the hell he's at?


No we cant all see in the dark. A light is a beacon that points directly at you . I dont want you to get blown away because you gave someone a giant advantage. I think that in such a situation you would be the good guy who was protecting his loved ones and property. Cant do it if you're greased. I truly wouldnt want that to happen to you and thats the only reason I posted my reply


Being cool under fire cant be trained into a person. You have it or dont.
I'm no Bill Hickock. Are you? Besides that. A recipient of the Bronze or Silver Star may have bigger balls than Buck Rogers one day and go to pieces the next. That is if my uncle who was decorated with both was telling the truth.
(Leyte and Okinawa). He didnt credit it to training. More like plain **** your britches fear and not being able to stand hearing his buddies crying out for help.

I've had a tough day; thanks for making me laugh. If you're a BTDT, you have so far survived by pure luck alone, please quit now while you're ahead. If you're not, get a plate glass window installed in your stomach, it's easier to see that way when you're head's up your a$$, like yours is.

[LongShot]

For the Mossburg fans
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/longshotink/tools/twogirls.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/longshotink/tools/breecherclose2.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/longshotink/tools/breecherclose3.jpg

My 500A and 500 SP

[USAF LOADMASTER]

impressive!

[rhino]

whats the flashlight for? dont you know with it, you are just a sitting duck?p-)

[LongShot]

whats the flashlight for? dont you know with it, you are just a sitting duck?p-)



...........its for ducks.

[Bro Jangles]

I love that 590.

[USAF LOADMASTER]

isnt there an airsoft thread you should be trolling?


LMAO!!!!!!!!!!! Very funny!!!!rofl

[Cstafford]

Will that surefire forend fit a maverick 88?

[LongShot]

Will that surefire forend fit a maverick 88?


Isnt Mavrick the economy version of Mossberg? If so there is a good chance, I would shoot either/and surefire/Mavrick an email to ask, or PM SMGLee, he might know.

[Albatross]

For the Mossburg fans
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/longshotink/tools/twogirls.jpg



Teh sexah.

[Laconian]

LS, those are some purty scatterguns.

[LineDoggie]

You know, the Tubular magazine is the best, thats why the French used the Lebel Rifle. I know this as I once talked to a Korean chap in Brazil who had been a Legionaire at Camerone. When their Gatlings jammed they charged the norweigans with loin clothes and bad breath

[Moriarti]

Am I dense? Perhaps. Are you a sensitive little girl who gets their feelings hurt by someones reply? Why do military weapons use clips? Silly question.
They wouldnt if they didnt use spitzer type bullets. A tube fed magazine is far superior but cant be used with pointy ammo. That is unless you want rounds going off inside the magazine due to one rounds tip hitting the others primer. All it takes is a hard jar on the buttstock with the muzzle pointing upwards. A drum or banana clip has more storage capacity when used for a fully automatic weapon. They're a pain in the ass and slow to load though. Try it with frozen fingers like the Marines at the Chosin Resevoir had. Sure you carry extra loaded clips but they are gonna need to be reloaded sooner or later. A BAR or M14 firing full auto will empty a clip in the blink of an eye.A fully automatic shotgun cant fire as quickly as a pump capable of slam firing.(no trigger disengage such as on the Ithaca M37 or Winchester M 97). If I'm wrong then feel free to let me know. I'll be the wiser for it and that wont hurt my feelings

I refer you to THIS (http://moriarti.mee.nu/if_i_hear_read_one_more_clip_i_am_gonna_cry) rant, re: your use of the term "clip" - please desist...especially "banana clip" - it is sort of like "fighting falcon" - no one says that...no one real. And re: pump vs. auto shotgun... - I used to think like you - when I was a rookie. I was pretty good with my Mossberg and even beat out some guys in shotgun matches when they were shooting autoguns. Hing used a 590 in combat and during real world riots - it is sufficient. HOWEVER> Having trained extensively on the M1014 (http://www.usmcweapons.com/articles/M1014/M1014NF.htm), and even competed with it, I would submit that I can empty the magazine of a M1014 light years faster than a 590 (or for that matter one of the old school Winchesters or Ithicas)


Being cool under fire cant be trained into a person. You have it or dont.
I'm no Bill Hickock. Are you? Besides that. A recipient of the Bronze or Silver Star may have bigger balls than Buck Rogers one day and go to pieces the next. That is if my uncle who was decorated with both was telling the truth.
(Leyte and Okinawa). He didnt credit it to training. More like plain **** your britches fear and not being able to stand hearing his buddies crying out for help.

Training is ALWAYs the basis for proper reaction under fire - it has been shown time and again. And while I respect your uncle's service and valor - please, until you have a few ribbons of your own - don't lecture those of us who have BTDT....please.


For the Mossburg fans
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/longshotink/tools/twogirls.jpg



My 500A and 500 SP

Nice kit - My 590 is a bit of a cross between those two -

Imagine a 590 with a collapsable stock and a surefire front end. (had to mill the bayonet lug off to get it to go into battery.

[Badams]

I refer you to THIS (http://moriarti.mee.nu/if_i_hear_read_one_more_clip_i_am_gonna_cry) rant, re: your use of the term "clip" - please desist...especially "banana clip" - it is sort of like "fighting falcon" - no one says that...no one real. And re: pump vs. auto shotgun... - I used to think like you - when I was a rookie. I was pretty good with my Mossberg and even beat out some guys in shotgun matches when they were shooting autoguns. Hing used a 590 in combat and during real world riots - it is sufficient. HOWEVER> Having trained extensively on the M1014 (http://www.usmcweapons.com/articles/M1014/M1014NF.htm), and even competed with it, I would submit that I can empty the magazine of a M1014 light years faster than a 590 (or for that matter one of the old school Winchesters or Ithicas)



Training is ALWAYs the basis for proper reaction under fire - it has been shown time and again. And while I respect your uncle's service and valor - please, until you have a few ribbons of your own - don't lecture those of us who have BTDT....please.



Nice kit - My 590 is a bit of a cross between those two -

Imagine a 590 with a collapsable stock and a surefire front end. (had to mill the bayonet lug off to get it to go into battery.



After looking at your plastic guns I see that I dont have to take anything you say very seriously fat boy

[LineDoggie]

After looking at your plastic guns I see that I dont have to take anything you say very seriously fat boy

He's Been in Combat zones longer than you've had relationships with females skippy.

[Albatross]

After looking at your plastic guns I see that I dont have to take anything you say very seriously fat boy

Wow, you really are quite the jergoff. I will let someone else let you in on Mr. Moriati's back ground.

**cough BTDT cought**

[Hollis]

After looking at your plastic guns I see that I dont have to take anything you say very seriously fat boy


Take a chill pill............. Moriarti is not kid, but a BTDT.

[scrybe]

After looking at your plastic guns I see that I dont have to take anything you say very seriously fat boy

Hahahahaha!


EDIT: Mods, please don't ban him yet.

[Hollis]

He's Been in Combat zones longer than you've had relationships with females skippy.



Damn, that was good, and probably 150% true.

[SBL]

This thread is a riot.

[Badams]

its a thing girls use to hold up their hair.


I really dont care for some fat little kid that goes by Bravo Juliet getting lippy.
Chill out Jr.

[Albatross]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_gun

[Albatross]

I really dont care for some fat little kid that goes by Bravo Juliet getting lippy.
Chill out Jr.


I hope you brought gloves and climbing kit, cause that hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper.

[SBL]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_gun
Needs a banana clip.

[Moriarti]

After looking at your plastic guns I see that I dont have to take anything you say very seriously fat boy

How droll:) I really hope you have a GREAT freedom of speech day!

[Albatross]

Needs a banana clip.

Or "non-pointy" ammo.

[Moriarti]

I really dont care for some fat little kid that goes by Bravo Juliet getting lippy.
Chill out Jr.

Damn bro - you really are looking for verbal abuse - no?

[Albatross]

How droll:) I really hope you have a GREAT freedom of speech day!

You are looking a bit chubby there old chap. Moar Airsoft is what you need.

[Moriarti]

You are looking a bit chubby there old chap. Moar Airsoft is what you need.


LOL - it is all of the Xmas dinner:) And sitting @ home in my mom's basement rantint on the interwebs about that which I know fvck all, with my gran's panties on my head...smaering myself with peanutbutter. ....umm...wait....I mean

I'm not fat! i'm BIG BONED!!!

[Hollis]

I'm not fat! i'm BIG BONED!!!


Isn't that what all the fat bodies say? :)

[Moriarti]

Isn't that what all the fat bodies say? :)

True story - of couse when I step on the scale and it says "ouch"! I sometimes want to cry.

:-(

[Hollis]

I really dont care for some fat little kid that goes by Bravo Juliet getting lippy.
Chill out Jr.


How about explaining yourself. I don't know who or what you are. I know who Moriarti is.

Unless you have a damn good reason for being lippy.............. your posts are numbered.


You may want to read the rules of this forum, which, BTW, you agreed too.


Especially:


18. Understand that these forums are populated by a minority of guys who've actually been at the sharp end in the service of various militaries. Commonly termed BTDTs (Been There Done That) you will notice them if you lurk long enough. When questioning their opinions or experiences bear in mind that they have, or are, serving and idiotic/sarcastic/rude comments will earn swift retribution both from most BTDTs and the mods.

[Hollis]

True story - of couse when I step on the scale and it says "ouch"! I sometimes want to cry.

:-(



even sadder still, I am telling people that I am big boned too. :roll:

[Laworkerbee]

I'm not fat! i'm BIG BONED!!!

Go ahead pal, keep wolfing down the hash browns at Denny's p-)

[Moriarti]

Go ahead pal, keep wolfing down the hash browns at Denny's p-)

DAMNED STOOPID HASHBROWNS!!!!! They are the bane of my run time.:cantbeli:

[Hollis]

DAMNED STOOPID HASHBROWNS!!!!! They are the base of my run time.:cantbeli:


Hashbrowns with a dalup of sausage gravy on them,,,,,,,,,,,

[Moriarti]

Wait a minute - weren't we bagging on some wantabe douchbag? I thought that was what this thread was about....that or shotguns.

[Moriarti]

scattered smothered covered chunked topped and diced!

[Bro Jangles]

I really dont care for some fat little kid that goes by Bravo Juliet getting lippy.
Chill out Jr.
**** off douche bag. your the one coming in and making your self a target,

om my god everyones making fun of me because im a ****ing retard...

Hey every one whats the best shotgun to end this miserable ****s life?

[Hollis]

scattered smothered covered chunked topped and diced!


OK shotguns, I like mine. My oldest is OLD. 1818. :)

I like pumps over auto, probably because I don't bird hunt, only hunted 2 legged varmints with them.

I probably have more shot guns than most people have firearms. Some who that doesn't seem right.

[T3ngu]

Thanks for the laugh guys.

I have two shotguns due to our lovely laws neither pump nor semi.

First is a mossberg 12ga bolt action shotgun, the second a single barrel windhester. Pictures to follow.

[Moriarti]

OK shotguns, I like mine. My oldest is OLD. 1818. :)

I like pumps over auto, probably because I don't bird hunt, only hunted 2 legged varmints with them.

I probably have more shot guns than most people have firearms. Some who that doesn't seem right.

Really 1818? Wow - do tell:)

I own two. One M590 as discussed earlier - and a 20 gauge that my grand usedta kill birds with.

[Bro Jangles]

i almost bought a bolt action shotgun, ended upo not because it was kinda alien to me.

[Moriarti]

Thanks for the laugh guys.

I have two shotguns due to our lovely laws neither pump nor semi.

First is a mossberg 12ga bolt action shotgun, the second a single barrel windhester. Pictures to follow.

With the current government here - I imagine it will be like that here soon:|

I need to take some pics of my POFs for insurance, and for showing off on here.

[Hollis]

Really 1818? Wow - do tell:)

I own two. One M590 as discussed earlier - and a 20 gauge that my grand usedta kill birds with.


Yep, it is my tricked out CQC do all firestick.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k226/Hollis6475/1818Dolled-1.jpg

[Moriarti]

Our issue scatterguns @ work are those M1014s as mentioned earlier - some ppl hate em, cuz of the amount of work you have to do to build the muscle memory, to operate it properly...but I really like it - you can empty the tube of shells RIGHT NOW.

[Moriarti]

Thanks for the laugh guys.

I have two shotguns due to our lovely laws neither pump nor semi.

First is a mossberg 12ga bolt action shotgun, the second a single barrel windhester. Pictures to follow.


Yep, it is my tricked out CQC do all firestick.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k226/Hollis6475/1818Dolled-1.jpg

M1861? (I have a repro-M1861 - have yet to shoot it :( )

Nicely done:)

[Bro Jangles]

Yep, it is my tricked out CQC do all firestick.


Nice, love the bi-pod

[Hollis]

Our issue scatterguns @ work are those M1014s as mentioned earlier - some ppl hate em, cuz of the amount of work you have to do to build the muscle memory, to operate it properly...but I really like it - you can empty the tube of shells RIGHT NOW.

I carried a Remington pump for about a month. Probably not the brightest idea considering our TAR. But not as dumb as walking point with a blooper gun (M79)

[T3ngu]

Our issue scatterguns @ work are those M1014s as mentioned earlier - some ppl hate em, cuz of the amount of work you have to do to build the muscle memory, to operate it properly...but I really like it - you can empty the tube of shells RIGHT NOW.

To be honest i rarely use my shotguns, i prefer rifles. But if im going for a walk in the scrub, chasing ducks or working around the farm and don't want to damage my rifles, the shotguns represent a good "truck" gun.

If im specifically hunting something, i will choose a rifle to suit.

[SBL]

So what sort of game does an Aussie hunt, generally?

[Moriarti]

To be honest i rarely use my shotguns, i prefer rifles. But if im going for a walk in the scrub, chasing ducks or working around the farm and don't want to damage my rifles, the shotguns represent a good "truck" gun.

If im specifically hunting something, i will choose a rifle to suit.

Agreed - I have 8 rifles (not including black powder stuff) and only 2 shoties.


I carried a Remington pump for about a month. Probably not the brightest idea considering our TAR. But not as dumb as walking point with a blooper gun (M79)

For real - a M79 on point? No M16 or anything for point targets? wow. You guys were crazy:) I saw some operators humping M79s somewhere, seems like the story was they didn't want the heaviness of a 203 when doing close in stuff with an m4...hence the M79 out of mothballs.

[T3ngu]

So what sort of game does an Aussie hunt, generally?

Hmm, I would never shoot roos or wallabies p-) but rabbits, hares, ducks, pigs, goats, foxes, feral cats, feral cattle and deer.

Of those, the goats, deer and feral cattle i have not hunted.

[Moriarti]

Hmm, I would never shoot roos or wallabies p-) but rabbits, hares, ducks, pigs, goats, foxes, feral cats, feral cattle.

Of those, the goats, and feral cattle i have not hunted.

Can't you guys shoot nusance roos?

[Hollis]

M1861? (I have a repro-M1861 - have yet to shoot it :( )

Nicely done:)


The 1818 was originally a smooth bore .69 caliber flint lock. In about 1842, the Belgium conversion to cap lock, then rifled for the civil war.

I have a original 3 band Enfield, in reproductions a 1763 Charlieville (pattern used in 1802 Springfield and 1818 Springfield.) A 1851 Springfield, a 1861 Springfield, 1857 Sharps, and some others hunting front stuffers and S/S. I have been shooting BP for about 40 years. Even competed with them.


It really pays to cast your own. There are two molds for '58 caliber. The new improved is for the Enfield's faster twist. The older mold is for yours.

[Hollis]

For real - a M79 on point? No M16 or anything for point targets? wow. You guys were crazy:) I saw some operators humping M79s somewhere, seems like the story was they didn't want the heaviness of a 203 when doing close in stuff with an m4...hence the M79 out of mothballs.


Once a guy got over the dieing thing, they tend to get a dose of crazy ballzy-ness. Didn't last long though.

[Moriarti]

The 1818 was originally a smooth bore .69 caliber flint lock. In about 1842, the Belgium conversion to cap lock, then rifled for the civil war.

I have a original 3 band Enfield, in reproductions a 1763 Charlieville (pattern used in 1802 Springfield and 1818 Springfield.) A 1851 Springfield, a 1861 Springfield, 1857 Sharps, and some others hunting front stuffers and S/S. I have been shooting BP for about 40 years. Even competed with them.


It really pays to cast your own. There are two molds for '58 caliber. The new improved is for the Enfield's faster twist. The older mold is for yours.

Now I know:) Those pre-civil war rilfe/muskets all look alike to me. *sigh* I wish I could tell 'em apart better.

[Laworkerbee]

Hashbrowns with a dalup of sausage gravy on them,,,,,,,,,,,

Oh man that sounds gooooooood!

[Hollis]

Oh man that sounds gooooooood!


It is............... We have two cafes here, that does them right.

[tactical73]

wow nice pics LongShot;-)

[Varlat Opiat]

Yep, it is my tricked out CQC do all firestick.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k226/Hollis6475/1818Dolled-1.jpg

Err, is it photoshoped or what? I can not believe what I see. Is it functional or pimped out wall-hanger?

[Laconian]

Err, is it photoshoped or what? I can not believe what I see. Is it functional or pimped out wall-hanger?

So bright your mom calls you Sonny, eh?

It's called humor.

[California Joe]

rofl Lord have mercy.

[LineDoggie]

Err, is it photoshoped or what? I can not believe what I see. Is it functional or pimped out wall-hanger?

No those were issued to the 4th regiment of Continentals at Cowpens, AA Batteries were a Bitch though

[Hollis]

No those were issued to the 4th regiment of Continentals at Cowpens, AA Batteries were a Bitch though


NO kidding, Gawd, AA batteries had to be special order through the pony express. Let me tell ya, there was nothing express about the pony express.

[LongShot]

NO kidding, Gawd, AA batteries had to be special order through the pony express. Let me tell ya, there was nothing express about the pony express.



Its teaspoons fault.

[Laconian]

NO kidding, Gawd, AA batteries had to be special order through the pony express. Let me tell ya, there was nothing express about the pony express.

Pony Express. Always capital. Like Marine, but with horses. And quit you're complaining, they're still looking for you to pay off your bar tab at TunTavern.

[Hollis]

Pony Express. Always capital. Like Marine, but with horses. And quit you're complaining, they're still looking for you to pay off your bar tab at TunTavern.


So you where that kid on the Horse. Where are my batteries?




See, I can be taught, I capitalize the "H" in Horse.

[Joey75]

Hey guys, check out how a car can be shot to pieces with a Saiga in 2 minutes - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te91g9Yr5g8 woot

[Moriarti]

And here is mine.
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7434/m590rightze8.jpg

[Hollis]

And here is mine.

Who stole the bayonet lug? How do you like collapsible stock. I have a speed stock, a additional 4 rounds.

[Moriarti]

Who stole the bayonet lug? How do you like collapsible stock. I have a speed stock, a additional 4 rounds.

Wiz wheeled the bayo lug off so the surefire would work:) LOVE the stock - good stuff - although 4 more rounds would be handy.

[LineDoggie]

Got rid of the Bayonet Lug?

what are you, Finance? :)

[Frens]

how is the heatshield attached to the rear?

[Bro Jangles]

Id post my mossberg, but im embarrassed of the paint.

[CDALY05]

Mine.
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k140/CDALY05/IMG_3041.jpg

[OMON]

where do they sell the short version of the m1014 / m4 super 90?

[Bro Jangles]

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm112/bravo-juliet/DSC00457.jpg

mine.

[LongShot]

where do they sell the short version of the m1014 / m4 super 90?


What do you mean by "short?" Any gunshop that carries the 16" M1014/M4 should have no problem getting the 14"/12" version(s)...modification by a gunsmith would also be possible, so long as the ATF is cool with it.

[LineDoggie]

I thought 18" was normal minimum Bbl. length for Shotguns, 16" for Rifles, anything shorter being a NFA firearm?

[CG51]

I thought 20" was the min.

[Policía Loco]

18" is the minimum barrel length. 26" is the minimum overall length.

[LongShot]

18 is the legal length. 16" is the most common SBR that I have seen in person(some with an optional stand off device that can be removed or permanently attached for a legal 18"). There is a custom shop similar to Vang Comp that specializes in Benellis, (I cant remember the name of it) they do M1014's down to 10 inches.

[Migs]

How could I resist? Bruce made the combat shotgun.
"Alright you Primitive Screwheads, listen up! You see this? This... is my boomstick! The twelve-gauge double-barreled Remington. S-Mart's top of the line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about a hundred and nine, ninety five. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right. Shop smart. Shop S-Mart. You got that?"

http://pictures.deadlycomputer.com/d/9956-3/250px-Bruce_Campbell_Army_of_Darkness.jpg

[Hollis]

If I am gone for a while, I am in jail:)


Hint: we do not advocate illegal activities on this forum............<-- also a big hint.

[Expert Marksman 126]

It was meant as sarcasm.

However if you are looking to get the shortest possible shotgun without breaking the law, there are .410 derringer style pistols avalible.

[Hollis]

It was meant as sarcasm.

However if you are looking to get the shortest possible shotgun without breaking the law, there are .410 derringer style pistols avalible.


I think because it can chamber the .45 colt it skirts around the law. Thompson Contender has a 16" barrel that is rifled and will chamber both rounds.

A word of warning, I believe in California it is illegal to own.

[Engine Mech]

Hey you guys. I just got my third model 1912 winchester. This one is rough and has a shortened barrel so i am going to fit it with a trench gun handguard and cut the barrel back to 20 inches. I just had a look at some chinese shotguns at my local gun store. They are 870 copies with 12 inch barrels. That is about as short as you want to go. I have seen 12ga adaptors for fitting in flare guns for firing Bird Fright cartriges on airfields.

[JC0352]

It was meant as sarcasm.

However if you are looking to get the shortest possible shotgun without breaking the law, there are .410 derringer style pistols avalible.

there's also this guy

[OMON]

there's also this guy

i heard a lot of complains about that gun, pain in the ass to shoot, and you can't hit anyting with it

[LongShot]

i heard a lot of complains about that gun, pain in the ass to shoot, and you can't hit anyting with it


I think its more for show and tell than it is for anything practical...kind of like that 12 gauge/.223 combo rifle that was all the rage with the gang bang'n crowd a few years back.

[Hollis]

I think its more for show and tell than it is for anything practical...kind of like that 12 gauge/.223 combo rifle that was all the rage with the gang bang'n crowd a few years back.


I doubt who ever buys ones, will shoot it much. I would even doubt the average number of rounds shot would be more than 1 or 2. The Thompson Contender with a 16 in barrel is brutal.

[LongShot]

I doubt who ever buys ones, will shoot it much. I would even doubt the average number of rounds shot would be more than 1 or 2. The Thompson Contender with a 16 in barrel is brutal.


I believe it...I fired a .45 derringer once and only once, I dont even care for the feel of more "practical" weapons like the S&W .500 or the .50 AE...way too much recoil.

[Hollis]

I believe it...I fired a .45 derringer once and only once, I dont even care for the feel of more "practical" weapons like the S&W .500 or the .50 AE...way too much recoil.


It is like holding you hand up, giving a baseball bat to a friend, then saying, "Now hit my hand as hard as you can".

Some of the 500 S&W pistols with muzzel brake and added weight is probably good for......... ??

I don't live in area where rogue locomotives are a problem. a 44 Mag is sufficient.

[domokun]

there's also this guy

My cousin had little bit heavy flare gun on his sail boat, it could safely fire 12 gauge magnum rounds. p-)

[LongShot]

My cousin had little bit heavy flare gun on his sail boat, it could safely fire 12 gauge magnum rounds. p-)


Saw a guy do that once with a cheap plastic flare gun...damn fool almost lost some digits p-)

[Adam Wilhelm]

http://www.the-backup.com/buy/commercial.php

When things go bump in the night.

[rhino]

http://www.the-backup.com/buy/commercial.php

When things go bump in the night.


:) but how can I convice my wife I need one of those?

[LongShot]

:) but how can I convice my wife I need one of those?



its a "bed Skirt correction device" to prevent the bed skirt from being untucked......

[rhino]

its a "bed Skirt correction device" to prevent the bed skirt from being untucked......

brilliant, but Ill have to buy her the bloody bed skirt now:|

[Hollis]

18" is the minimum barrel length. 26" is the minimum overall length.


I was reading somewhere that the Min length was dropped, it is barrel length only. If a person has a 18 1/4 barrel 870 and places a pistol grip on it, that would place it under the 26" that you mention.


Now, Am I understanding you correctly or I am working on bad information?


Reason I don't mess with factory built firearms much (as to changes), is the BATF laws can be pretty confusing.

[LongShot]

brilliant, but Ill have to buy her the bloody bed skirt now:|


:cantbeli: Figured you would already have one.... oh well, small price to pay...actually that works out better anywway...



"What the hell is that?"

"Oh, it um, it came with the bed skirt, weird right? Its some kind of frame for it....oh look, this thing can hold a shotgun...sweet."

[rhino]

:cantbeli: Figured you would already have one.... Oh well, small price to pay...actually that works out better anywway...



"what the hell is that?"

"oh, it um, it came with the bed skirt, weird right? Its some kind of frame for it....oh look, this thing can hold a shotgun...sweet."

lol............

[oldsoak]

http://www.the-backup.com/buy/commercial.php

When things go bump in the night.

....right... erm, ho-kay...well it certainly could add a dimension of excitement to the *** life I guess....:lol:

[Expert Marksman 126]

I think because it can chamber the .45 colt it skirts around the law. Thompson Contender has a 16" barrel that is rifled and will chamber both rounds.

A word of warning, I believe in California it is illegal to own.

Most guns are. California is the last state I would ever move to.

[Laconian]

I was reading somewhere that the Min length was dropped, it is barrel length only. If a person has a 18 1/4 barrel 870 and places a pistol grip on it, that would place it under the 26" that you mention.


Now, Am I understanding you correctly or I am working on bad information?


Reason I don't mess with factory built firearms much (as to changes), is the BATF laws can be pretty confusing.

It is still 18" bbl on a shotgun (16" on rifle) or an overall length of 26" (both). By definition (under Federal law) a shotgun is a weapon designed to be fired from the shoulder, capable of launching a single projectile (slug) or multiple projectiles (shot) by means of an explosive. By making an alteration to either bbl length or overall length below those minimums it becomes a weapon made from a shotgun and could be an NFA. Much like those video camera holders that fit into the space on a Glock grip. Put one on and it is an instant NFA weapon.

[Hollis]

So I got this straight, over all length must be 26 inches or over?

With a barrel no shorter than you mentioned?


Thanks,

H.

Other words if comes from the factory that way, keep it that way.

[Moriarti]

It is still 18" bbl on a shotgun (16" on rifle) or an overall length of 26" (both). By definition (under Federal law) a shotgun is a weapon designed to be fired from the shoulder, capable of launching a single projectile (slug) or multiple projectiles (shot) by means of an explosive. By making an alteration to either bbl length or overall length below those minimums it becomes a weapon made from a shotgun and could be an NFA. Much like those video camera holders that fit into the space on a Glock grip. Put one on and it is an instant NFA weapon.

HUh? Did I miss something? Lac - video camera glock? huh?

[LongShot]

HUh? Did I miss something? Lac - video camera glock? huh?


Its a stock for a Glock.....check it out (http://www.makosecurity.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=GLR17_440&Category_Code=_GlockS)


@ LAC...I dont want to go OT, but how is the mech Tech Systems conversions (http://www.mechtechsys.com/glock.html)legal?

[Moriarti]

Its a stock for a Glock.....check it out (http://www.makosecurity.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=GLR17_440&Category_Code=_GlockS)


achk - so. *sigh* seriously.:roll:

[Laconian]

So I got this straight, over all length must be 26 inches or over? Yup.

With a barrel no shorter than you mentioned?
Yup.

Thanks, No sweaty-da, Jeffe

H.

Other words if comes from the factory that way, keep it that way.


HUh? Did I miss something? Lac - video camera glock? huh?

There are a couple of companies that make shoulder stocks for video cameras. They just happen to also fit in the space in the grip of a Glock. Several guys have thought it would be cool to mount it on the Gock. Bad ju-ju.

[Hollis]

Its a stock for a Glock.....check it out (http://www.makosecurity.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=GLR17_440&Category_Code=_GlockS)


It has the warning and application for a SBR license.

I thought in the C&R firearms, those laws were dropped. Like on the broomhandle and it's holster/stock. I guess if anything this shows that going to the BATF site for the actual information is better than accepting want is said on a forum.

[CG51]

How does a pistol become an SBR?

[Moriarti]

How does a pistol become an SBR?

add a stock.

[CG51]

add a stock.

Yeah, I got that much.

[Laconian]

C&R is where it gets goofy. Anything made before Jan 1, 1899 isn't even a firearm by definition, its antique f/a. So, the Broomhandle Mauser (Model of 1896) is okay if you put a stock on it, if it was made before the magic date. A P-08 Luger with the shoulder stock holster is okay as long as you don't attach it. If you do, then it's NFA. Curios and relics are still firearms, just hit the magic fifty year-old date are a unique piece that has been blessed as a curio or relic. It can be very confusing. When in doubt call an office and explain what you got/want to do.

LS, I've never seen that thing before. I want to check it out more. Off the top of my head I'm not sure how it is legal w/o a Form 1. I will check and let you know if you want.

[LongShot]

LS, I've never seen that thing before. I want to check it out more. Off the top of my head I'm not sure how it is legal w/o a Form 1. I will check and let you know if you want.



Do that please....I remember seeing the 1911 version a few years back, had completely forgotten about it....I found it again when searching for the Glock Stock link for Mo....the Glock one is new, but the 1911 conversion has been around for at least three years.

[Laconian]

Its a stock for a Glock.....check it out (http://www.makosecurity.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=GLR17_440&Category_Code=_GlockS)


@ LAC...I dont want to go OT, but how is the mech Tech Systems conversions (http://www.mechtechsys.com/glock.html)legal?

LS, It is not illegal under Federal law to convert a pistol to a rifle, as long as the resulting F/A meets the Federal standard of a rifle (bbl length greater than 16"/overall length greater than 26"), which these kits do. Otherwise it would be a short barelled rifle.

The weird thing is, once you do the conversion from rifle to carbine, technically you can't convert it from rifle to pistol as then you are making a "firearm made from a rifle" (NFA) and it needs to be registered via a Form 1. Weird, I know.

The exception is the Thompson Contender kits that could go from pistol to rifle and back. That case actually went to the SCOTUS.

These are those cases where it is better to ask for permission instead of asking for forgiveness after a possible Federal conviction.

*Don't take any of this as legal advice! Check for yourself*

[Hollis]

Do that please....I remember seeing the 1911 version a few years back, had completely forgotten about it....I found it again when searching for the Glock Stock link for Mo....the Glock one is new, but the 1911 conversion has been around for at least three years.



Sportsmanguide sells a kit, the thing is, it comes with a long barrel so, it does not become a SBR. It comes with a detachable stock it and the long barrel.

[LongShot]

LS, It is not illegal under Federal law to convert a pistol to a rifle, as long as the resulting F/A meets the Federal standard of a rifle (bbl length greater than 16"/overall length greater than 26"), which these kits do. Otherwise it would be a short barelled rifle.

The weird thing is, once you do the conversion from rifle to carbine, technically you can't convert it from rifle to pistol as then you are making a "firearm made from a rifle" (NFA) and it needs to be registered via a Form 1. Weird, I know.

The exception is the Thompson Contender kits that could go from pistol to rifle and back. That case actually went to the SCOTUS.

These are those cases where it is better to ask for permission instead of asking for forgiveness after a possible Federal conviction.

*Don't take any of this as legal advice! Check for yourself*



That is pretty silly.....I dont think I would even be interested in owning one of those anyway....If I wanted a Glock subby carbine I would buy that Kel tec folder that takes Glock magazines....as for a single stack .45 carbine, no thanks.


I think ill just save up my nickels until I can register an SBR 12 gauge, and the 14 inch G3 ive had my eyes on.

[Hollis]

The weird thing is, once you do the conversion from rifle to carbine, technically you can't convert it from rifle to pistol as then you are making a "firearm made from a rifle" (NFA) and it needs to be registered via a Form 1. Weird, I know.




What was it the Remington 2000 (believe that to be the name), It was built as a single shot pistol, for silhouette shooters who needed a "rifle" cartridge. It was a bolt action, short barrel on a pistol furniture. They could not take one of their rifles and make it a pistol, they had to make the pistol first.

< this is from memory > being a Thompson Center Contender fan, I only read and looked at the Remington 2000.

[Red River]

Beretta Urika AL 391 12 Gauge

http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq89/Kyle_86/DSCN0688.jpg

http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq89/Kyle_86/B2.jpg

[Hollis]

Top, a Drilling 16 G. Euro with a 6.5 sauer under.

Bottom Late 1800 Parker Bros DH 20g S/S.

[Hollis]

1887 Win 12 G.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k226/Hollis6475/1887-1.jpg

1897 Win 12 G

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k226/Hollis6475/1897.jpg

[LongShot]

^^^ some good looking rifles you have there Hollis...



Okay, so I found this little device, I imagine it is a reusable cartridge for a 37mm or 40mm launcher...looks much too big for a 12 gauge....takes 10 .22 LR rounds, pistol primer inserted in the back...turns this thing into an impressive .22X10 shotgun...

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/longshotink/beehive-2.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/longshotink/beehive-3.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/longshotink/beehive.jpg

[Hollis]

Longshot, I saw the price on that............... Egads............

[LongShot]

Longshot, I saw the price on that............... Egads............



Yeah, makes you only want to buy one. Ive actually been to that shop, its in Southern FL, near Ft. Lauderdale....he has just about everything one could want, if a person can afford it...and many many crazy inventions just like that thing.

[OMON]

did some research, its gonna be the M1014 or the FN or benelli

http://www.impactguns.com/store/048702176791.html

[timetraveller]

Anyone on here own a Beretta , Holland n holland , Purdey , Mckay brown , , Westley richards , Piotti , Bertuzzi , Desenzani

[Chulo]

^^^ some good looking rifles you have there Hollis...



Okay, so I found this little device, I imagine it is a reusable cartridge for a 37mm or 40mm launcher...looks much too big for a 12 gauge....takes 10 .22 LR rounds, pistol primer inserted in the back...turns this thing into an impressive .22X10 shotgun...

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/longshotink/beehive-2.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/longshotink/beehive-3.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/longshotink/beehive.jpg


Longshot, I saw the price on that............... Egads............

whats it called.. and how much?

[LineDoggie]

Randy Shivak (Mr. 40MM) makes a similiar 40mm insert. A few of the lads got them for the deployment along with some 40mm/12Ga. adapters

[LineDoggie]

did some research, its gonna be the M1014 or the FN or benelli

http://www.impactguns.com/store/048702176791.html

A Buddy recently moved and Gave me his Benelli Super 90 gratis*. As far as I know, he's never even fired it. His brother is going to live with him and is a Ex-Con who's spent half his life inside. He didnt want his Brother getting a hold of it.

Still got the manual, and chokes in plastic bags.




* I also got a Springfield Armory NM M1A, Mossberg 590, guy wouldnt take a Nickle. We grew up together, good Joe, but the brothers Charlie Manson jr. I told him if he ever wants it back, no problemo. All put in storage. He used to buy to collect, rarely shot them.

[Geezah]

^^^ some good looking rifles you have there Hollis...



Okay, so I found this little device, I imagine it is a reusable cartridge for a 37mm or 40mm launcher...looks much too big for a 12 gauge....takes 10 .22 LR rounds, pistol primer inserted in the back...turns this thing into an impressive .22X10 shotgun...

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/longshotink/beehive-2.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/longshotink/beehive-3.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/longshotink/beehive.jpg



I'm pretty sure I met the guy that makes those down at Knob Creek last year......very impressve......

[LongShot]

I'm pretty sure I met the guy that makes those down at Knob Creek last year......very impressve......


Is it fired from a 37mm or a 40mm launcher?

[Geezah]

I'm pretty sure it is consired a DD but is fired from the Grenade launcher you can get legally as a civilian to fire flares.

I wasn't paying real close attetion to what the guy was saying, but I do remember tax stamp. I remember one launcher holding a hell of alot more .22s than this baby.

I just saw a few on GunBroker, the Hornets Bees Nest.

[ColinP]

At the 2008 SHOT show, some Italian gunmaker


http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/526/p2030005rc2.th.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p2030005rc2.jpg)

[DShB]

My MP-133
12*89 L=710 mm

[Der_ganze_Tod]

Since I didn't want to open a thread so I'll post it here.

Could someone please identifiy the shotgun in the link? http://www.flickr.com/photos/cozette/2624580496/

Unfortunately I can't embed the photo. My guess it's a costom job on a Molot Vepr 12 or a Saiga 12 or any other AK based layout self loading shotgun.

Any hint and help would be appreciated. BTW the photo shows a french police operator (RAID).

[Policía Loco]

I just bought an Escort shotgun for ****s and giggles. Anyone have any experience with these?

[JC0352]

Is Escort a brand?

[Policía Loco]

Hatsan Arms Company

[JC0352]

Hatsan Arms Company

sorry bro, my knowledge is limited to Remington & Browning

[Bro Jangles]

sorry bro, my knowledge is limited to Remington & Browning
no love for mossberg?

[JC0352]

no love for mossberg?

I messed with them in the Corps a bit and liked them, but was pumped when they switched to the Benellis; those are teh awesome

[Policía Loco]

Here is a picture of it. I was bored and bought it off impulse. I'll just shoot a hundred or so of 00 buck through it and see how it works out.

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5675/001pmy.jpg

[Bro Jangles]

how much did it cost? i assume it was cheaper than the name brand competition

[Policía Loco]

how much did it cost? I assume it was cheaper than the name brand competition


$300.............

[Geezah]

Randy Shivak (Mr. 40MM) makes a similiar 40mm insert. A few of the lads got them for the deployment along with some 40mm/12Ga. adapters

That's the guy that was down at Knob Creek last year. I stopped by his table yesterday and picked up a flyer and low and behold it's Randy Shivak.

Here's his website.


Mr. 40MM (http://www.mr40mm.com/products)

[-Ace-]

Greetings to all!

I ask prompt on-line shops in the USA where it is possible to buy accessories for Remington 870. Those shops which send to Russia and accept Pay-Pal.

Thanks!



PS: My 870...

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5210/870g.jpg

[62ECHO]

Old police 870 before and after. (and Savage .410)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3336/3446203723_e2334d7a1b_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3391/3443277339_1498898265_b.jpg

[Geezah]

I do like the SpeedFeed stocks.

I have one on my Mossberg, I did try out the pistol grip stock but found there was a huge gap bewteen the back of the trigger guard and the front the grip. SO I went back the the traditional SpeedFeed.

[Hollis]

^^^ I am with Geezah on the above.

I have a speed stock on my 590. Ya can't butt stuck someone stuck on stupid with a pistol grip.

[RIG]

Here is my Rem 870 with a mesa tactical stock.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=4kf5e14

Cheers
RIG

[Bro Jangles]

^ nice i want one of those AR stock conversions, but i love my stock mossberg stock to much.


(hahaha stock, stock)

[Engine Mech]

Here is a picture of some of my shot guns. Winchester model 1912's. Top one 1919, middle one 1948, bottom one 1921.

[JC0352]

Here is a picture of some of my shot guns. Winchester model 1912's. Top one 1919, middle one 1948, bottom one 1921.
that's a really nice collection!

[Policía Loco]

I put a few shells thru my Hatsan Escort shotgun that I posted a few pages back. It's chambered for 3 inch, but it doesn't really throw 3 inch shells all that great. Didn't have a problem with the others. Other than that it seems to be a decent gun.

I fired 10 each of....
3 inch #1 Federal Premium Buckshot
2 3/4 inch Remington Express Buckshot
2 3/4 inch Remington Reduced Recoil Bockshot

[ColinP]

My 2, Mossberg 590 with Specops stock and a Dominion Grizzly (870 clone) with 12" barrel, ghost ring sights and Specops stock

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4391/img2133.th.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2133.jpg)

[Chulo]

any comment on the Stoeger P350 home defense shotguns?
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5772/stoegerp350d23135551.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stoegerp350d23135551.jpg)


im looking for a cheap 20ga pistol grip for home defense

[Engine Mech]

Here is a shotgun that i borrowed from a friend. In a confined space it is still quite loud.

[Chulo]

I just bought an Escort shotgun for ****s and giggles. Anyone have any experience with these?
Was going to buy one this weekend. It was used in a local police cruiser but seem quite well used. But it was light and solid, but didnt think it was worth the $200 they were asking

[Remington Rand]

any comment on the Stoeger P350 home defense shotguns?
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5772/stoegerp350d23135551.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stoegerp350d23135551.jpg)


im looking for a cheap 20ga pistol grip for home defense

Why 20? I have a 20, a 16, and a couple of 12 gauges and like them all, but if you are getting a home defense gun, go for a 12. I'd be willing to bet that the weight of the 20 and 12 are very similar and you are just giving up power for no reason. There are so many loads available for the 12 gauge that you could go with a lighter load if you wanted (assuming recoil is one of the reasons you are considering a 20). I think a shotgun is a perfect home defense choice, and hear good things about the Stoegers, but I would consider a 12. Pistol grip is a must, though I would go with a collapsible stock, easier to find a perfect fit.

[rhino]

Why 20? I have a 20, a 16, and a couple of 12 gauges and like them all, but if you are getting a home defense gun, go for a 12. I'd be willing to bet that the weight of the 20 and 12 are very similar and you are just giving up power for no reason. There are so many loads available for the 12 gauge that you could go with a lighter load if you wanted (assuming recoil is one of the reasons you are considering a 20). I think a shotgun is a perfect home defense choice, and hear good things about the Stoegers, but I would consider a 12. Pistol grip is a must, though I would go with a collapsible stock, easier to find a perfect fit.

20ga will kill you just as well as 12ga
the ammo is cheaper and now a days there are tons of different loads for other gages beside 12
its easier to handle by smaller shooters (I know you mentioned it) and it will weight less
a home burglar wont care what gage of a muzzle he is staring at- it still point at him and he should feel the reason enough to comply whether its a 12 or 20 ga
you can shoot 20 with comfort, for waaaaaaaaaaay longer then 12

in all 12 is over rated, sure it has a place if you hunting large game or in thick brush but for home defence any pump action will do even .410

[Burntrubber87]

20ga will kill you just as well as 12ga
the ammo is cheaper and now a days there are tons of different loads for other gages beside 12
its easier to handle by smaller shooters (I know you mentioned it) and it will weight less
a home burglar wont care what gage of a muzzle he is staring at- it still point at him and he should feel the reason enough to comply whether its a 12 or 20 ga
you can shoot 20 with comfort, for waaaaaaaaaaay longer then 12

in all 12 is over rated, sure it has a place if you hunting large game or in thick brush but for home defence any pump action will do even .410
I wouldn't say 12Ga is over rated, You can do the same thing with any shotgun or rifle when it comes to home defense. But if you want to be able to actually find decent home defense ammo, find decents upgrades whatever they be, and still pack enough power to double-duty home defense/ hunting then i would say 12 gauge is what you want, I don't know about you but I don't plan on holding off attackers from my house for extended periods of time, so the recoil isn't really an issue, and 12ga buckshot doesn't really have that much recoil. Now..if you're skeet shooting or whatever..if you're going to be doing alot of shooting then maybe a smaller gauge shotgun would be better for you. if you can't handle a few 12 gauge rounds..I don't know what to tell you.

[rhino]

few? what is few?
how often does one practice with just a few rounds?
last time I went through 400 rounds of 12ga, I really wish it was 20

[Chulo]

Why 20? I have a 20, a 16, and a couple of 12 gauges and like them all, but if you are getting a home defense gun, go for a 12. I'd be willing to bet that the weight of the 20 and 12 are very similar and you are just giving up power for no reason. There are so many loads available for the 12 gauge that you could go with a lighter load if you wanted (assuming recoil is one of the reasons you are considering a 20). I think a shotgun is a perfect home defense choice, and hear good things about the Stoegers, but I would consider a 12. Pistol grip is a must, though I would go with a collapsible stock, easier to find a perfect fit.
20 Ga mainly because my girl is 5'2 and has had shoulder surgery

[ColinP]

Here is a video review of a Chinese made short doubled barrel shotgun. My friend imports them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6EoYWJuuoE

[Burntrubber87]

few? what is few?
how often does one practice with just a few rounds?
last time I went through 400 rounds of 12ga, I really wish it was 20
When I practice I go through 10-100 rounds. Sometimes I go just to check zero on a new or different load/slug. Its alot easier to just practice dry fire drills at the range and finish off with live. Saves ammo, saves you shoulder.

[Bro Jangles]

Hey guys, i want to get an M4 stock for my Mossy 500, i saw a great looking setup in Shotgun news, that had a M4 buffer tube, pistol grip, and a Picitinny rail above the grip. anyone one know were i can find a similar setup? or have recommendations on comparable items? ultimately i want to put a MOE stock on it.

[Hippo]

I know mossberg makes a m4 style stock for the 500/590 (http://www.mossberg.com/cgi-bin/commerce.exe?search=action&sortkey=ItemNumber&sortorder=descending&category=STOC

some other companies make them too.

http://www.buymilsurp.com/mossberg-500590-carstyle-stock-set-promag-p-7607.html

http://www.gunaccessories.com/ShotgunStocks/index.asp

I want to buy a mossberg 500 combo for home defense and trap shooting and i want to buy a 6 shot saddle on the receiver but the forend gets in the way. If i buy this forend (http://www.mossberg.com/cgi-bin/commerce.exe?preadd=action&key=95051&reference=/cgi-bin/commerce.exe%3Fsearch%3Daction%26keywords%3D%26searchstart%3D0%26template%3DPDGCommTemplates\MossPdgNav\SearchResult.html%26category%3DSTOC) the saddle will fit, so im wondering is if all i need to do is buy just a new forend and swap the two out or...?

[Bro Jangles]

i got the same foreend and the saddle works like a champ.

yeah, swap it out and your good to go.

[Burntrubber87]

Hey guys, i want to get an M4 stock for my Mossy 500, i saw a great looking setup in Shotgun news, that had a M4 buffer tube, pistol grip, and a Picitinny rail above the grip. anyone one know were i can find a similar setup? or have recommendations on comparable items? ultimately i want to put a MOE stock on it.
Look around at cheaperthandirt.com..they carry knoxx stocks, which i would recomend. Especially the knoxx spec ops which is spring loaded and helps alot with recoil. They look alittle funny, but work great.

[Migs]

H&R Model 48 Topper-12 Gauge
Model was manufactured between 1944(ish) to 1956(ish) so it's at least 53 years old. Got some rust on it but I cleaned it up as best I could, thing was filthy when I picked it up. My first shotgun...thought I should start out simple rather then skip right to the big guns. Thing kicks like a mule on crack, ancient recoil pad is as hard as the wood.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=77657&d=1246719096

[LongShot]

I know mossberg makes a m4 style stock for the 500/590 (http://www.mossberg.com/cgi-bin/commerce.exe?search=action&sortkey=ItemNumber&sortorder=descending&category=STOC

some other companies make them too.

http://www.buymilsurp.com/mossberg-500590-carstyle-stock-set-promag-p-7607.html

http://www.gunaccessories.com/ShotgunStocks/index.asp

I want to buy a mossberg 500 combo for home defense and trap shooting and i want to buy a 6 shot saddle on the receiver but the forend gets in the way. If i buy this forend (http://www.mossberg.com/cgi-bin/commerce.exe?preadd=action&key=95051&reference=/cgi-bin/commerce.exe%3Fsearch%3Daction%26keywords%3D%26searchstart%3D0%26template%3DPDGCommTemplates\MossPdgNav\SearchResult.html%26category%3DSTOC) the saddle will fit, so im wondering is if all i need to do is buy just a new forend and swap the two out or...?


Surefire forend...worth every penny for a HD weapon. Ive run six shot saddles on every shotgun ive/I own(ed) and never had a conflict between forend and saddle...........

[Crew]

Fabarm SDASS:)
http://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/002050/2050345.jpg

[hubel458]

Here are pics of my 12GA From Hell in my long barreled NEF Ultra
and heavy barreled Savage 210 and 8ga FH NEF. Ed Hubel

http://www.gunownerstv.com/neflb.jpg

http://www.gunownerstv.com/sav12th.jpg

http://www.gunownerstv.com/8nef.jpg

[59Diesel]

Hubel458 your over here also. You should post more pictures of the cartridge in closeups. I will try to find your Videos. So people can really understand the size and Beauty of your systems.

If yall want a shotgun with some real knock down power for hunting. Should PM this guy.

[OMON]

anyone experience with the FN Tactical Police?

[gaijinsamurai]

Mine, a Winchester M97, Remington 870, and Browning Auto 5:

[rhino]

GUNS - http://gun-s.blogspot.com/

MILITARY PHOTOS - http://military-photos.blogspot.com/


and where is it you going with those links?

me thinky wrong section for you here

[Blackwater28]

You can't go wrong with a Mossberg 500, a Remington 870 or a Winchester 1300. All are excellent. They're uber reliable and will last for several decades of constant use. I own a Remington 870 with a red dot.

[Par Mk1]

Well i have to say you cant beat Saiga i keep one in the car along with A M4 .


Grant

[rhino]

sure you can, every gun has its shortcommings

[Par Mk1]

Shortcomings and what might they be ?

[rhino]

in case of Saiga most obvious would be weight, btw what's the mag capacity on that gun of yours?

I would also like to find out affects of rapid fire on the weapon

[Par Mk1]

Well weight is not an issue for me anyway and many others who use the weapon ,,effectiveness rapid fire have not seen one better and alsdo there is a czech company who munufactures a high capacity drum mag for it not cheap but that also works well.

you should maybe take a look at this http://www.proarms.cz/Video.php video shot 1 up to 4

[Par Mk1]

i have 8 plus 1 ,,,,,but as i said you can buy one with 24 +1

[rhino]

interesting, cant see vids though:|
did some research and it is actually comperable in weight with other semiauto shotguns, thought it would be heavier:roll:

if you want to see the shortcommings of the gun check what guns.ru has for review on it, Im just going to add; the AK type safety is a bugger, could have got away from it with a slide or button type safety, but :roll:

[Par Mk1]

well the safety i dont see how it works and the videos work well i looked at them all only a few mins ago ..

[Par Mk1]

Oh do have on ? what guns do you have, I MYSELF TRAIN WITH THESE WEAPONS WELL many differnt types however in work i use most,

AR 15
SIAGA
226
19
ACCURACE

BUT i have to say the Siaga does have issues in that it you need to have ammo no less than 32 charge for it to kick an reload in ,,also the gas adjuster on new needs tweeked a little ,,these are minor issues oh and and also the mags can have problems again they just need a little adjustment ,,, all weapons have issues one way or another ,,some people like weapons because they look sexy or have a name ,,hmmm this ,,i also guess some people dont use these weapons in the field either ,,and just like a good chat, whatever everyone to there own,, me i sell , use and work with weapons on a daily basis not in a shop but in the field anyway ,,i like a weapon to fire when i pul the trigger,,,also i am not into F/A weapons there a waste of time ,,in saying that i have a Dhsk also Browning 50 cal ok these fuction well on full auto but AK,M4 etc why i train people on a 2 shot pull on the targer this is more effective ,
anyway

we do have guy here i know very well i have trained with him ,,he has kicked ass on many compitions useing the following weapons ,,and is x specail forces ,,

Proarms PAR mk1
Siaga
K100 Grand Power

these links i sent you he is in them


anyway i am more than happy to assist

Take care

[rhino]

and by you own admission the gun has shortcommingsp-)

any gun has them(as I pointed out on the beggining), its how you train and how much time you train with it,
in the end it will be the owner/operators own judgment to go with one gun or the other

the vids are in .avi, I dont have softwear for it:|

[sidewinderl]

...crappy pictures of my baby (second pic is with a 20 round drum)...did the work on it myself. An AK-pattern 12 gauge is seriously the holy grail of shotgun design. It has a few quirks, yes, but nothing that can't be easily dealt with.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4/sidewinderl/boomstick/s12.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4/sidewinderl/boomstick/s12md202.jpg

[TAC3]

Oh do have on ? what guns do you have, I MYSELF TRAIN WITH THESE WEAPONS WELL many differnt types however in work i use most,

AR 15
SIAGA
226
19
ACCURACE
...


Would you mind to be more specific on "the field work" you do with these guns ?
I would love to know. Where do you use your weapons on a daily basis? Do you use them solely for range purposes or special ops, daily work, etc.? You're obviously not a member of OFFICIAL forces such a STATE POLICE /PCR and they're the only ones in CR who WORK with the weapons on daily basis.

Thanx in advance for the answer.

[Jameten]

Just a question, does Mossberg come from Sweden from the begining?, cuz the loggo is kind of swedish with the 3 crows, the swedish flag and the swedish colours.:roll:

[smalandian]

Just a question, does Mossberg come from Sweden from the begining?, cuz the loggo is kind of swedish with the 3 crows, the swedish flag and the swedish colours.:roll:

Correct....I found it on wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O.F._Mossberg_%26_Sons

[FindYourInk]

I found a Mossberg 500a 12ga pistol grip locally. It is used and stock except for the front grip. They are asking $165. Should I go ahead?

[sidewinderl]

went to the Tulsa gun show and got a new toy woot

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4/sidewinderl/boomstick/spas12.jpg

[LineDoggie]

Anyone have experience with the Norinco M1897 Trenchgun copy?

[Hollis]

Anyone have experience with the Norinco M1897 Trenchgun copy?


Just hearsay.............. all good. I have not handled one. Sorry could not be of more help.

[junglejim]

Heard the Norcs used a better quality metal on their copies than the original shotguns.

[LineDoggie]

Debating acquiring one. Like shottys without disconnectors

[junglejim]

Debating acquiring one. Like shottys without disconnectors


Same here, then strip it down for parts to be used with my dads original trench gun, to which he bastardized by replacing it with a psitol grip :cantbeli:

[Chulo]

Debating acquiring one. Like shottys without disconnectors
Why not a Ithaca 37? Unless you are going for the classic look

[Engine Mech]

I tried one on clay targets. It belonged to a Western Action Shooter so he had done some work on it to smooth it out. It shot good but they feel funny when the action is open. It cycled flawlessly but i was always worried about my thumb and my face when the action opened. If i had the money now i would buy one.

[STEPAN1983]

On tuesday I am going to St. Petersburg, to buy this beauty from a one guy, condition is very good, around 50 shots. Can't wait for it, its gonna be my first gun.

http://i029.radikal.ru/0911/da/612f7d89129f.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

[SBL]

^Binelli ?

[goat89]

^Binelli ?
Benelli you mean? :D DAMN FROG

[Red_Fern]

Nothing beats my Mossberg 500.

Nice weapon you're going to get, Stepan.

[STEPAN1983]

Benelli Supernova Comfortech


Thats me with my friend's Saiga 12, hunting version with classic butt and long barrel. Russian made collimator sight.

http://s43.radikal.ru/i102/0911/50/dcff32abf123.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

[Red_Fern]

Nice Saiga! I've never seen one with such a monstrously long barrel though. Interesting.

[SBL]

Benelli Supernova Comfortech



My brother-in-law owns that model, it's a really nice gun. I'm trying to see if he'll sell it to me cheap.p-)

[STEPAN1983]

when I hold this Saiga my left hand quickly begin to feel tired.

[goat89]

when I hold this Saiga my left hand quickly begin to feel tired.
But its satisfying is it not? :D

[STEPAN1983]

well, the owner of a shotgun is a short guy but he enjoys shooting with it.

[slaveman]

Your arm probably does get really tired! That thing has to be extremely front-heavy. It's cool nonetheless. You should take it to the skeet range. It'll really aggravate those old guys when your "cheap" Saiga out-shoots their $3K trap guns.

Speaking of Saiga, I just had the opportunity to shoot a converted Saiga .410 (SLG-41) by Arsenal. I never though I'd say this, but I prefer it over the Saiga 12 (at least in a tactical setting). It handles just like an AK (not a big, bulky, 12 Gauge AK). Even the receiver is normal AKM dimensions. It's extremely fast, light, and has minimal recoil. Follow-up shots were quick and easy, and the magazines (15rd) were more manageable, and were small enough to fit into pouches. You could carry a decent amount of ammo if need be.

.410 has more than enough power for dirty work at close range. I think I would prefer it over my old SPAS-12 and M590 if I had the choice. I've been lucky enough to shoot a lot of different guns. For now, the Remington and Mossberg pumps are king, and will be for a long time to come (whether we like it or not!).

[slaveman]

By the way, I'm not sure if the whole "no disconnector" things is really worth it. I've tried it a few times with a Model 37, and it really wasn't any faster than my 590A1 (plus I wasn't hitting anything). It's not very easy to do effectively.

If you want a fast rate of fire, there's lots of cheap semiautos available (ala Saiga). But different people have different priorities. My friend bought an Ithaca mainly because of that reason, and he's happy with it. Whatever floats our boat.