Patrol / Day Pack

[Pronto]

Looking for some good examples of Patrol or Day Packs in current use, and where to get them.

Photo's and links would be great.

Cheers.

[TacoDelRio]

A very common one for US Army Infantry use is the Eagle-type "3-day assault pack". Google.com will provide a sh*tload of pictures of several versions of it.

One I use for hiking/hunting/training/mountaineering is a Camelbak BFM. I don't like it a helluva lot, but it's ok for use as a backpack.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/TacoDelRio/Scenic/CBRuck.jpg

Hope that helps a little.

[DnA]

Tactical Tailor 3 Day Assualt Pack
http://www.tacticaltailor.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=40


If you want something small, too hold a few things you need for a short patrol a small ALICE pack isn't too bad. Theres also a SDS MOLLE daypack.

[Martin_Riggs]

SDS Patrol Pack
where to find? ebay ;)
http://www.team-arc.de/forum/galerie/mittlere-bilder/mittel-407.jpg

[percell_086]

I use the Blackhawk 3-day pack and it has never failed me, I carry it everywhere. I know that everyone will say 'his' brand, but I really like the BHI one. You can't go wrong with it.

[Ipkiss]

Lowe alpine make some nice packs nowadays. these may be combined with extra daypacks if there's need for a bit more room.

http://www.lowe-alpine.com/Images/ProductPhotos/strike.jpg

and

http://www.lowe-alpine.com/Products/SearchMenu.asp?ProductTypeID=22&SpecificActivityID=17

also UK's Karrimore had a nice 45 ltr pack with option for daypacks.
http://karrimor.com.pl/images/produkty/karrimor-plecaki-trave-04.jpg

[Royal]

PLCE patrol pack - one of the better bits of kit we've been issued in the past 10 years.

http://www.militarykit.com/images/products_full/bw_northern_ireland_patrol_pack_british_dpm.jpg

[tenda]

get a kifaru,,....expensive but the best..!!!:)

[East Scout]

I use the Blackhawk 3-day pack and it has never failed me, I carry it everywhere. I know that everyone will say 'his' brand, but I really like the BHI one. You can't go wrong with it.


Ill second this..BHs 3 day ruck is a fine peice of gear and i love mine.....My second choice would be my MOLLE patrol pack like the other fella in GErman spoke of though it dosnt hold as much as my BH ruck

[ShakesFIST]

I have a Kifaru Marauder. I would recommend it. It is not cheap however!
If you want a inexpensive pack, the SpecOps Brand THE pack is what I had before and I really can't complain.

[ABNINF]

I can tell you for a fact, that the issued MOLLE assault pack sucks on long patrols. It has a tendency to ride low, which will kill your back. Get something with some kind of frame, be it internal or external, and has good lower back support. I would rather carry a 60 pounds worth of gear in a large ALICE pack, than 30 pounds in the day pack.

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2965/10100427ev.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[TacoDelRio]

Smal question for the american here of some who know.

What is the standard pack of the US Army / Navy / Marines
and Special forces?

The ALICE pack?
The MOLLE pack?
the SPEAR pack?

Army: ALICE, seen some CFP-90's, MOLLE, some aftermarket
Navy: No freakin' idea
Marines: MOLLE, ILBE (very nice)
SF: Anything you freakin' want.

It varies from what I've seen (keyword - seen). My buddy (USMC) just got the ILBE:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/TacoDelRio/ILBE.jpg
Apparently designed by Arc'teryx, who's kinda in the same market as Kifaru. It's supposed to be badass. I hope I may eventually get one.


I agree with ABNINF. After AIT I went and bought that pack up there, thinking it would be all high speed without a frame and all. What do I use now for all my mountainclimbing and stuff? ALICE. An external METAL (not plastic!) frame is great, and can be used to attach stuff to it. Plus you can duct tape padding to the inside of the frame, lotsa ways to "pimp it out".

[ABNINF]

Yeah, I'm pissed, cause I was gonna bring my ALICE, and they told us to leave our "green" gear at home. I should have brought it anyways. BUT, the MOLLE rucks are awesome, very comfortable, but I haven't field tested them, so I don't know how they hold up long term. I've just helped some people move theirs, and I remember that it felt pretty comfortable.

[TacoDelRio]

Think about getting one of them Tactical Tailor MALICE packs? Basically a ALICE pimped out to three different levels/versions, uses the ALICE frame. I think you can get one in tan/coyote brown, and it's a bit better suited for static-line drops and the like, if you've jumped in the desert.

About MOLLE packs other than the ILBE and Kifaru's: Since they got away from external frames, the shoulderstraps are usually stitched onto the main body, further away from the wearer's back, making it feel like the ruck is pulling on you. With the frame, the strap attaches right there.

I can't even load my damn MOLLE light enough to not screw up my back, even if I try and load heavy-stuff up high.

[ABNINF]

Yeah, that's the problem with being 11B, eventually the back and the knees go out......

[TacoDelRio]

My knees are still good, I can crack my entire back in one big string of cracks by stretching my leg, but my hearing is gone. :)

WHAT?

[ABNINF]

rofl yeah 11B (packmule). My back's not too bad yet, thankfully, but if I bang my knees really hard, they'll fill full of fluid. So I wear my kneepads if we're dismounted, and whenever I think I need to. I messed my knees up really bad at Benning about a year ago. We were doing a pansy 6 mile night roadmarch in full kit under NODS. We were only about 3/4 of a mile into it, when I rolled my ankle in a pothole. My knees to the brunt of the fall, cause my ruck, which was about 70pounds, carried me forward and ended up over my head. I sprained one knee, and busted the other one up pretty good. Gutted the rest of the roadmarch out, but I couldn't bend my knees for about a week.

[TacoDelRio]

Ever get one of those needles behind the kneecap to drain the fluid? They are supposed to be real awesome!

My knees are pretty good, I got lucky. Seems like alot of people get jipped out of good knees when it comes to genes.

Hey, at least you ain't 11C. I was praying I didn't get that.

[ABNINF]

No, thank goodness, I've heard it compared with bamboo shoots under the finger nails. It usually goes down after a few days.

[East Scout]

I used my MOLLE II ruck this past weekend on a 15+ mile hike in the mountains with a good sized winter load....Id have to say its the most confortable ruck i have ever worn..Smacks the piss outta the ALICE pack and its even more comfortable than my British Bergens.......The Marines put some thought into it when they made this thing...

[TacoDelRio]

I used my MOLLE II ruck this past weekend on a 15+ mile hike in the mountains with a good sized winter load....Id have to say its the most confortable ruck i have ever worn..Smacks the piss outta the ALICE pack and its even more comfortable than my British Bergens.......The Marines put some thought into it when they made this thing...

Which ruck?

[Pronto]

Nice selection there guys. Cheers. Gives me a good starting point to have a look at.

If there are any more idea's, please... bring them on.

[Irish]

Army: ALICE, seen some CFP-90's, MOLLE, some aftermarket
Navy: No freakin' idea
Marines: MOLLE, ILBE (very nice)
SF: Anything you freakin' want.

It varies from what I've seen (keyword - seen). My buddy (USMC) just got the ILBE:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/TacoDelRio/ILBE.jpg
Apparently designed by Arc'teryx, who's kinda in the same market as Kifaru. It's supposed to be badass. I hope I may eventually get one.


I agree with ABNINF. After AIT I went and bought that pack up there, thinking it would be all high speed without a frame and all. What do I use now for all my mountainclimbing and stuff? ALICE. An external METAL (not plastic!) frame is great, and can be used to attach stuff to it. Plus you can duct tape padding to the inside of the frame, lotsa ways to "pimp it out".

I have a very similar pack to this one,Its OG and is 40 Ltrs..excellent pack..only cost me 22 Euros in a outdoor store.I would reccommend something along these lines..

[East Scout]

Which ruck?


Hey Pal...

This one:

http://info.product-finder.net/useg/MOLLE-II-RIFLEMAN-SET-Woodland-Camo.html

I didnt get it from there but its the best picture i found in a hurry..I got the complete set for xmas..........

[twominds]

I love the look of the ILBE, but those wouldn't be easy to get your hands on just yet would they? for a civvie that is.. I have long drooled for a Norrona recon pack and reportedly you can get those nicely used from certain military shops around for NOK500, which is roughly $80!!! to bad those stores are far up north were I won't get to them... I've seen PLCE's on ebay, are those genuine and good quality?
as in this one I mean:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Web-tex-British-PLCE-DPM-Bergen-Patrol-Pack-NEW_W0QQitemZ6610484337QQcategoryZ588QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Royal]

I've seen PLCE's on ebay, are those genuine and good quality?
as in this one I mean:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Web-tex-British-PLCE-DPM-Bergen-Patrol-Pack-NEW_W0QQitemZ6610484337QQcategoryZ588QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

That's a bergan (120 litres) not a patrol pack, and it says WebTex, so no it's not genuine. As I've said before on here, I've never used WebTex, but I've not heard much good said about it...

[Hydro]

That's a bergan (120 litres) not a patrol pack, and it says WebTex, so no it's not genuine. As I've said before on here, I've never used WebTex, but I've not heard much good said about it...

Someone I know hates WebTex kit, to the extent of Red Phos'ing some in Iraq...Apparently the quality isn't too good, certainly not for Ops, and no-one seems to be sure if it's IRR treated.

[TacoDelRio]

Hey Pal...

This one:

http://info.product-finder.net/useg/MOLLE-II-RIFLEMAN-SET-Woodland-Camo.html

I didnt get it from there but its the best picture i found in a hurry..I got the complete set for xmas..........

Thank you sah!!!!!! woot

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....dotdotdot

About the ILBE, I don't know if civies can get it yet.

[East Scout]

I love the look of the ILBE, but those wouldn't be easy to get your hands on just yet would they? for a civvie that is.. I have long drooled for a Norrona recon pack and reportedly you can get those nicely used from certain military shops around for NOK500, which is roughly $80!!! to bad those stores are far up north were I won't get to them... I've seen PLCE's on ebay, are those genuine and good quality?
as in this one I mean:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Web-tex-British-PLCE-DPM-Bergen-Patrol-Pack-NEW_W0QQitemZ6610484337QQcategoryZ588QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


I purchased both my 90 liter and 120 liter Web-Tex Bergens from that guy...You'll hear alot of stories about "i know this guy and I heard this guy hates web-tex" blah blah blah and very few first hand reports...I have never had any problems with either ruck nor my Web-Tex PLCE webbing kit that i ordered strait from the UK.......Only thing that ever went wrong was i picked up a loaded ruck buy my jacket i had lashed to one of the top loops and the stiching gave way a bit..But this would happen to alot of rucks out there...

To be fair i have never used mine in Military service and thats a far cry from stomping around the mountains....

[twominds]

http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/ishop/853/shopscr70.html
so this looks more like the real deal? could have it shipped to my sis and have her bring it back for easter.. ;) would it be a decent ruck for long hikes, especially considering the price and civvie alternatives? assuming you have tried it royal?

[Royal]

http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/ishop/853/shopscr70.html
so this looks more like the real deal? could have it shipped to my sis and have her bring it back for easter.. ;) would it be a decent ruck for long hikes, especially considering the price and civvie alternatives? assuming you have tried it royal?

That's the real thing (though it doesn't seem to include the side pouches). It's not the best, it's not the most comfortable, but it is good for what it is and it is what I use - if that makes a difference ;).

[FDF_Hemppis]

I love the look of the ILBE, but those wouldn't be easy to get your hands on just yet would they?
ILBE is based on Arc'teryx Bora 95 (http://www.arcteryx.com/product.aspx?prod=1887). So you can either get that, if you don't mind the civvie looks and loosing the assault pack ;)

Or you can find a dealer who carries Arc'teryx LEAF (http://www.arcteryx.com/leaf) range, and get their Tango pack (http://www.arcteryx.com/leaf/tango_pack.asp) (rucksack) and the Charlie pack (http://www.arcteryx.com/leaf/charlie_pack.asp) (assault pack). Strap 'em together, and you got the ILBE, minus the MARPAT camo :)

[TacoDelRio]

Probably expensive as a mofo! I hope I can get one, looks like what I'm lookin' for.

[FDF_Hemppis]

Probably expensive as a mofo! I hope I can get one, looks like what I'm lookin' for.
Considering that the regular Bora 95 sells for about 400-450$, I'd say the ILBE easily goes up to the Kifaru price range: 500-600$ :(

But then again, this is about the best you can get. For someone who humps a ruck regularly (like a soldier ;)), is 600$ much for making your life a bit easier?

[TacoDelRio]

$600 is a buncha monay!

By the time I'm back in, there will be some new ghey camo pattern. Twatever, I'll see if I can't get one somehow.

[baker company]

You can get the Arc'Terx LEAF stuff here:

http://www.ads-onlinestore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ARC032&Category_Code=bagpack_pack&Store_Code=Hsaur-SHS7AGRU7RU

If for some reason that link doesn't work then just go to the online store and look under packs...you have to keep advancing a few pages. They have both the Tango and Charlie...only in black and OD though.

[FDF_Hemppis]

omg, the tango pack is only 400$ :D

*starts saving money*

[TacoDelRio]

OH SHNAP!

Must get money....

[ca180sx]

Army: ALICE, seen some CFP-90's, MOLLE, some aftermarket
Navy: No freakin' idea
Marines: MOLLE, ILBE (very nice)
SF: Anything you freakin' want.

It varies from what I've seen (keyword - seen). My buddy (USMC) just got the ILBE:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/TacoDelRio/ILBE.jpg
Apparently designed by Arc'teryx, who's kinda in the same market as Kifaru. It's supposed to be badass. I hope I may eventually get one.


I agree with ABNINF. After AIT I went and bought that pack up there, thinking it would be all high speed without a frame and all. What do I use now for all my mountainclimbing and stuff? ALICE. An external METAL (not plastic!) frame is great, and can be used to attach stuff to it. Plus you can duct tape padding to the inside of the frame, lotsa ways to "pimp it out".

This is a nice pack, below are pictures of me with mine on. The detachable daypack is really nice. When they gave these to us we were like "sweet nicer, bigger packs" and then we were like "o *censored**censored**censored**censored* that means more gear" So far Ive gotten about 125 pounds of *censored**censored**censored**censored* in one.

[Pronto]

ca180sx, have you got any pics of the Detachable Daypack?

Cheers

[scrybe]

From the Arc’teryx website:


February 2005 – The military turns to the outdoor industry

Hikers and campers used to turn to military surplus for their needs, but as the outdoor industry grew, the armed forces embraced the resulting products and technologies. Today, the military and the industry are establishing new beachheads. By Stuart Craig

MILITARY INTELLIGENCE

In the two decades following World War II, some of the best outdoor gear was military surplus. Despite the emergence of a true outdoor "industry" in the mid- to late-1960s, enthusiasts still bought from surplus stores throughout the ‘70s. And why not? Soldiers, after all, hiked, climbed and generally played outdoors for a living, so their "outdoor" equipment was durable, functional, and pretty good, overall.

But compared to the growing array of commercial, purpose-specific outdoor gear, "pretty good" military product could no longer cut it. In those early years, the technological progress in the outdoor realm was staggering. From 1970 to 1980, the outdoor industry created internal frame packs, free-standing geodesic dome tents, and incredibly light, warm, and compressible sleeping bags. On the apparel side, moisture-moving polypropylene base layers, Malden Mills’ warm-when-wet polyester Polarfleece mid-layer fabrics, W.L. Gore’s waterproof/breathable Gore-Tex outer shell fabrics—and the whole layering "system" that combined the three—came into being.

The military was slow to adopt these new, superior technologies. By 2000, polypro underwear, Malden Polartec fleece (the next generation of Polarfleece), and Gore-Tex outerwear and boots were standard issue. Packs, tents and sleeping bags likewise got new technology treatments, although in all cases, the military’s gear was nearly a decade behind the commercial stuff.

Lumbering bureaucracy was partly to blame, as was the outdoor industry’s move toward offshore manufacturing to control costs. Since by law—the Berry Amendment—U.S. military gear must be made in the U.S. from U.S. materials, outdoor manufacturers that both sourced and built products overseas gave the military fewer (and more expensive) opportunities to buy better equipment.

At the same time, the steady decline in defense spending throughout the 1990s gave the Pentagon precious little incentive to spend its dwindling funds on soldiers’ packs, tents and outdoor clothing. But then came the 9/11 attacks, whereupon the languid pace of the peacetime military abruptly exploded into a frenetic build-up for the Global War on Terror. Soldiers deploying to the unexpectedly harsh environments of Afghanistan and Iraq quickly made it clear how woefully inadequate their equipment was, and the military scrambled to respond.

And therein lies the tale of a new relationship between the armed forces and the outdoor industry. In many ways, it is a brave new business world of old-fashioned values and newfangled "outside of the box thinking" on both sides of the equation.

ARC’TERYX AND THE ILBE

As any backpacker will attest, choosing a pack is a very personal thing—unless you’re a soldier. In that case, you get what you’re given, and you’ll like it…unless all the soldiers not only "don’t like" the pack, but can’t do their job as effectively with what they’re issued. Such was the case when U.S. troops went into Afghanistan in late 2001.

"When the U.S. went into Afghanistan, the number one complaint item was the [issue] backpack," says Tyler Jordan, CEO of Arc’teryx, a high-end outerwear and pack manufacturer in Vancouver, British Columbia. "There was lots of breakage."

The Marines, in particular, were unhappy with their equipment, and since they needed it immediately, they did what Marines have always done: they adapted, improvised and overcame.

"We wanted a commercial pack. Period," says Lt. Col. Gabe Patrizio, program manager for Infantry Combat Equipment at Marine Corps System Command (MARCORSYSCOM). "We didn’t have time or desire to make our own when we knew that a [commercial] company out there could make it well enough."

The Marines also needed about 200,000 units of the pack—called Improved Load Bearing Equipment, or ILBE—over four years. When the bidding dust settled, Arc’teryx had won the contract, but with a twist. Since the Canadian company has no U.S. manufacturing capabilities, it, too, had to adapt and improvise by partnering with a company that did have that capacity. The partnership—and the entire ILBE process—is not only an excellent example of the military’s new interest in the outdoor industry and its willingness to update its procurement tactics, but also of how canny business thinking in the outdoor industry can pay off.

It all started with an invitation. "In a case like [this], knowing that some commercial players had never played in the military market, we wanted these [types of] companies to be able to talk to us," explains Patrizio. The result was an "Industry Day," at Quantico, VA, in August 2002. "[The Marines] invited textiles, backpack and [government contract] manufacturers," recalls Jordan. "They told us, ‘here’s what this thing has to do, on a rush timetable.’ They wanted proven technology morphed into the new pack."

Patrizio’s brief to the assembly was direct: "I made it clear to them that this was like an AA meeting. They had to stand up and say, ‘I’m so and so, I have design but no manufacturing capability,’ of the like." The group was a diverse one, he adds. "Many of [the companies attending] were design, not manufacturing, houses, while conversely, plenty of government contractors there knew military work, and had manufacturing but no design capability." Of 12 proposals, says Patrizio, "theirs [Arc’teryx’s] was deemed to be best for the government after evaluating manufacturing, technical requirements, cost—everything."

Arc’teryx’s design was based on one of its large Bora backpacks, and the company teamed with Propper International, a large military-oriented manufacturer. Officially, Propper is the prime contractor, and Arc’teryx is the sub-contractor: the Canadian firm sends people to Propper’s facilities, trains their workers, and specs the material to be used. Best known for making most of the Battle Dress Uniforms (BDUs) worn by every branch of service, Propper has won nearly $432 million in clothing and equipment contracts since 1998—$ 153 million in 2003 alone.

"[Propper] knows a lot more about dealing with the military," says Jordan. "They’re good at building units and delivering them on time."

The Marines, meanwhile, get the latest in gear without having to deal with a newbie military contractor. It is, as Patrizio puts it, "a perfect example of all the synergies going on in design and manufacturing. [Arc’teryx] teamed with a defense manufacturer who doesn’t have all the [in-house] expertise, but has the capability, people and factory to make lots of [packs]."

And while Arc’teryx won’t "build [our] company around it," Jordan is optimistic about future military business. "We see a good potential for our presence [in the military market]. Every soldier needs a good backpack and a good jacket, and now we have a strong manufacturing partner."
http://www.arcteryx.com/leaf/news_01.asp

[twominds]

That's the real thing (though it doesn't seem to include the side pouches). It's not the best, it's not the most comfortable, but it is good for what it is and it is what I use - if that makes a difference ;).

Hehe, worth at least two cents.. ;) well considering I'm not planning on spending 400-500$ this would be a decent alternative I guess.. though I would need the side pockets as well.

[TallGuy]

omg, the tango pack is only 400$ :D

*starts saving money*
For $400 I would expect 1000 Denier cordura, not 725....

[Sabre]

http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/ishop/853/shopscr70.html
so this looks more like the real deal? could have it shipped to my sis and have her bring it back for easter.. ;) would it be a decent ruck for long hikes, especially considering the price and civvie alternatives? assuming you have tried it royal?

You may not be too happy with the back/waist system if you use it for civvy hiking. They're designed to be worn with webbing so the waist belt has minimal padding. If it's second hand, the shoulder strap padding might be fairly thin now. The civvy equivalent is the Berghaus Vulcan. It has the same features of a bergen (lid, side pouches etc) but has a much more comfortable back to it. You might find some on ebay, but they tend to be more expensive (£200 new).

As for daysacks, I've just bought a Lowe Alpine Sabre 35. Looks to be a decent pack, very simple with a top lid entry, no side pouches but two zip pockets in the top. It doesn't have a snow collar, but I use ortlieb bags anyway so it shouldn't be a problem.

http://www.tw-od.com/ProductImages/Lowe/Sac/sabre_ol.jpg

[twominds]

was looking for a ruck for a bit longer trips than a 35L will allow.. but since you are positive to the lowe alpine rucks, how about the saracen? Just found out that I might have some b-day money, round 230£ or so, on it..

[Sabre]

Oh, I wasn't suggesting that pack instead of a Bergen. Since this was a daysack thread I thought I'd comment on the one I'd just bought, that's all.

The berghaus vulcan is still a good large pack, I own one and would recommend it. I've heard good things too about the Saracen, but I've never used one myself.

[TacoDelRio]

This is a nice pack, below are pictures of me with mine on. The detachable daypack is really nice. When they gave these to us we were like "sweet nicer, bigger packs" and then we were like "o *censored**censored**censored**censored* that means more gear" So far Ive gotten about 125 pounds of *censored**censored**censored**censored* in one.

HAHAHAHA funny thing about that!

Is it holding up nicely? I still haven't seen his ILBE, he may bring it on a land-nav exercise we're headed to do in a few.

[An Cosantóir]

Dia Dhuit Mo Charas, The Patrol/Day pack now on issue to certain specialised unit in the Irish Defence Forces and to all overseas deployed personnel is the Source IR Assault Pack 10L with 3L Hydration System (See Attached Image) it is similiar size to a Rocket pouche perfect patrol pack/shoot & scoot pack (for holding ammo for the likes of our Styer AUG/MAG or M203 Ammo,Kite Sight and other NVG and Comms (e.g Our Baby Singars!) LOL,And acourse Rations and other essentials etc..

The inbuilt Hydration system also means you means you will not have to carry another seperate Hydration System such Camelbac or Arktis HUMP or try and fit/stuff a platypus into a patrol pack as there alrady spaced allocated for it. This small and versitle Assault/Patrol pack is perfect for Range Duties/ATCP Duties or the likes of long patrols under any conditions and has been tested to these conditions interesting enough is the actually back of this backpack is similiar to the Arktis bags in design as incorparates a similiar ventilation system into it. In conclusion this is a extremly good bit of kit and is well regerded in our service and great asset when both on training and operational missions.

[Tribunius]

Have first hand experience with web tex products. Had a bergen and it came appart when I had it only half full. Also got US issue sun cream on the inside of one of the pockets and it ate through the yellow coating thats on the inside. Haven't gone near the stuff since.

[andreen]

I have three favourites.

The Blackhawk 3-day assault backpack
http://www.militaryshop.se/bilder/produkter/603D00.jpg

Tasmanian Tiger, TT GG BAG
http://www.militaryshop.se/bilder/produkter/TT_bravo7709.jpg

Sacci Comatbackpack 2000, with the extra side pockets
(this one have a internal aluminiumframe)
http://www.recon.se/imgs/ryggs/sidoficka.jpg

[CPLHUNTER]

epic thread resurrection!

anybody know where I can get the Arcteryx Charlie Pack? I know Arcteryx doesn't make it anymore, but wondering if any stores still have stock...

[11BravoAlpha]

Chances are almost 0. I searched the www and ended up paying a s...load of $ for my crocodile Charlie. Sold my black Charlie pack for $160 in 2009 and had a buddy offer me $ 300+ for this summer:(

I may suggest you get a SORD Strike Pack. It's just as good as the Charlie and SORD's SBC resembles Arcteryx crocodile colorwise.

[CPLHUNTER]

hmmm...i figured as much.

just checking out the SORD and 5.11 Rush packs right now...do you happen to know the dimensions of the pack(s)?

I'm mainly interested in the height...can't find anything on google

[Ipkiss]

My latest purchases:

Kelty Falcon
Flyye copy of TAD-gear's fast EDC pack.

Tercio now sports the Tactical tailor extended range operator pack.. Very nice also..

[tercio67]

Yes, holds up nice. Rather pleased with that one.

[proxxximity]

http://www.arktisltd.co.uk/Products/1712_Basicpack.htm

These arktis daypacks are awsome! They will never rip or break or anything! And they are cheap as hell! :D